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RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (4 Viewers)

Andy Dufresne said:
As long as Taylor doesn't end up backing up Saquon Barkley (or any top five-ish back) he's still a better option IMO.

I think CEH (and Swift) are prettier between the 20's. But Taylor is going to score more TD's while still getting big yardage and sufficient receiving points.
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I see a straight-line guy who benefited a ton from arm tackling in the highlights I watch.  

 
Wooters said:
I'm not mocking anything other than people who are making this guy out to be Marshall Faulk without an NFL carry.  There are people in this thread that are advocating drafting CEH over Jacobs in a startup dynasty draft.  Like come on people.  The RB that lands in TB is the clear 1.01, as long as that RB is Taylor, Swift or Akers.  I like CEH, don't get me wrong.  But I'd rather have Jeudy and I'd likely rather have 2-3 other RB's after today.  He shouldn't be the 1.01.  That's all.
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Preferring Jacobs or Taylor or Swift or a WR over CEH is not an outlandish position at all. But you're slinging insults and making hyperbolic statements instead of making that point.

Personally I had the RBs ranked Swift, Taylor, CEH, Akers and Dobbins pre-draft so I'm sort of with you in that I'll still wait out the rest of the draft before settling on my 1.01. However I don't think it's  illogical to target CEH there. For one thing watch his college games - especially that Alabama game and you'll see he's a major talent. Second, KC is a golden opportunity. Damien Williams is solid but far from a great back and look how he's produced there. You have brought up Hunt's rookie season a few times, Hunt was a third round pick by the SAME TEAM that just used a first on CEH. Now we have the hindsight of what Hunt did in the NFL, but is it outlandish to claim CEH is a better prospect than Hunt? The Chiefs seem to think so based on draft capital. If Hunt can out up those numbers it's pretty reasonable and logical to think CEH can as well. Williams isn't all that good and has had a hard time staying healthy in his career - CEH moving past him quickly isn't so far fetched. Now I do suspect Williams will be given incumbent/veteran deference in camp but CEH will at the very least move into a RBBC role quickly. 

 
King of the Jungle said:
I must be watching something different. I see elite lateral movement that doesn't invite a lot of direct hits. 
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We could be watching the exact same thing and taking away two different conclusions. Eyes do that at times. I won't begrudge Taylor, though. I had him above CEH. It went Swift, Dobbins, Akers, Taylor, Evans, McFarland, CEH.

I mean, CEH was way down my list. 

 
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rockaction said:
We could be watching the exact same thing and taking away two different conclusions. Eyes do that at times. I won't begrudge Taylor, though. I had him above CEH. It went Swift, Dobbins, Akers, Taylor, Evans, McFarland, CEH.

I mean, CEH was way down my list. 
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I thought you were describing CEH as a straight liner...my mistake. Taylor is definitely more straight lined, but I do like his foot movement to avoid tackles. 

 
rockaction said:
Indeed! What's cool is that if you're a true believer in Taylor or a sucker for Swift, we're gonna have our reasons to go with them at 1.01 while CEH likely drops twenty points a game PPR. 
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And then there's Dobbins...

What's good about this pick and the rest of the first round of that it went from a top 7 prospects to approximately 10. The great WRs went to okay spots and the okay guys went to good spots. 

CEH to KC just shuffled the deck in a way that should make drafts quite a bit more fun.

 
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Wooters said:
We can bet money if you want?  That's cool too.  I don't blame you for not wanting to stand behind your over-inflated numbers of 18 toucher per game.  That's a smart move by you admitting you were just throwing out irrational numbers to back your assumption.  

Now, since you changed your tune and said that CEH will be a top 12 RB in PPR leagues (🤣), we can make a bet on that.  Sig bet is fine.  Money is fine.  Put up anything you want.  There is next to a 0% chance CEH is a tip 12 RB in PPR leagues.  
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There are no signatures anymore.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
And then there's Dobbins...
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Yeah, forgot for a moment about him. The thing about landing spots with these guys is that whoever goes to Tampa better pass block. Arians was already jawing in interviews about -- seriously -- "three-down backs" and the necessity of the backs and their pass pro.

Pass pro Ro Jo? No. 

 
ChiefD said:
For those that watched him a lot, how is his blocking? 

Damian Williams is great in that regard, so hopefully new guy has that skill as well.
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Probably his biggest weakness as a prospect. If he doesn’t see much action early on, it’ll probably be because of that.

 
Boston said:
Even with that are you really gonna take a chance on not having a potential Brian Westbrook playing with Mahomes and for Any Reid...and I will say this, if they took Taylor, Dobbins or Swift I would feel the same way...KC using a #1 on a RB was easily the top potential landing spot fantasy-wise for me...I would not over-think this one, it is about as safe a pick as you could possibly make...I just don't see this organization having their choice of all the top RBs and whiffing on it.
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I see a good scenario in the combination of Arians usually featuring one back and Brady historically heavily targeting whichever one is on the field. Being that I like Swift better is a tie breaker when there won't be a huge difference is draft capital.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I think CEH (and Swift) are prettier between the 20's. But Taylor is going to score more TD's while still getting big yardage and sufficient receiving points.
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I anticipate CEH being a double digit TD guy in this offense and no matter where any other RB ends up from this draft I will project him to score more TD's. Hunt had 25 TD's in 27 games. Williams in same amount of games had 13 TD's  but he only touches the ball on average 8 times  a game and that limited use got him about an 8 TD pace.

 
cloppbeast said:
I see a good scenario in the combination of Arians usually featuring one back and Brady historically heavily targeting whichever one is on the field. Being that I like Swift better is a tie breaker when there won't be a huge difference is draft capital.
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I see that...the tie-breaker for me is KC, I have been looking at that all along.

 
Boston said:
I see that...the tie-breaker for me is KC, I have been looking at that all along.
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Crazy the dude goes right from the best offense (ever) in cfb to the best one in the NFL. I don't think Reid's offense is as simple, but it seems to operate similar. Could be an easy transition for him. 

 
Pretty surprised he was the first RB off the board. He reminds me so much of Ameer Abdullah on paper (and to some degree watching him run) and we all know how that worked out (and I say that as one of his biggest supporters). Maybe it'll work out better for him than Ameer, he's certainly going to a much better team and he seems to run with a little more power.

 On paper combine comparison:

Clyde Edwards-Helaire:

  • 5' 7" 207lbs
  • 4.6 40
  • 15 BP reps
  • 39.5" vertical
  • 123.0" broad
Ameer Abdullah:

  • 5' 9" 205lbs
  • 4.6 40
  • 24 BP reps
  • 42.5" vertical
  • 130: broad
Heck, not that the NFL draft "prospect grades" mean anything at all, but they're even nearly the same there: Ameer Abdullah 6.40, CEH 6.39.
If I had the 1.01, I'd still probably lean Taylor assuming he ends up in a decent spot.

 
Wooters said:
Saying CEH is going to be a top 12 PPR RB is being provocative.  I'm just asking him to put his money where his mouth is.  Otherwise, it's fake news.
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For you (or anyone else) to refuse to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that CEH can be top 12 is luancy and bias thinking.  It's not even logical.  No one is saying that it IS going to happen, we're just saying that it MAY.  What a concept.  

 
Boston said:
You think Westbrook at Villanova looked better then CEH last year?  
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Honestly that's part of my concern (it's not major) about him and burrow. They both did really well against bama, but largely LSU was just so much better than everyone else last year as a team that it's kinda difficult to really assess individually.

 
Wooters said:
I'm gonna go revisit the Reshad Penny thread, and see how many of the same genius posters are over there.  Be back soon.
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It's kind of funny that the guy you're using to knock CEH has more rushing yards and a higher y/a than Damien over the past two years.  

 
Wooters said:
I like reality, so, no.  Not at all.  You keep looking at that shiny object in the corner.
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So...others should consider the possibility that a seventh round flier who had all of 46 touches the year previous year and did little with them could usurp the first round rookie but...oh forget it.

 
Wooters said:
We can bet money if you want?  That's cool too.  I don't blame you for not wanting to stand behind your over-inflated numbers of 18 toucher per game.  That's a smart move by you admitting you were just throwing out irrational numbers to back your assumption.  

Now, since you changed your tune and said that CEH will be a top 12 RB in PPR leagues (🤣), we can make a bet on that.  Sig bet is fine.  Money is fine.  Put up anything you want.  There is next to a 0% chance CEH is a tip 12 RB in PPR leagues.  
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Dial this way back. If you've got discussion about NFL players, do it here. Drop the bet and challenge stuff. Thanks. 

 
menobrown said:
1.1 and first round startup pick.
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Yep. So even though I didn't get him in that FPC satellite best ball you and I did, I reviewed my other best ball lineups and see that I have CEH and Mahomes paired in almost all of them. I also had a reaction when you took him (after I had taken Akers instead) and remember thinking I might end up regretting that one. 

 
Wooters said:
No thanks for CEH at 1.01.  He's not getting any goal line carries.  KC throws the ball a ton.  He's going to split snaps with Williams.  He'll catch 2-4 balls a game with 6-8 carries mixed in.  I see Kareem Hunt numbers from last year as an absolute ceiling.  Not bad per say, but I want to shoot higher for the 1.01.  Plus, why is it a guarantee that he's even going to be better than Thompson?  A year under his belt, isn't it possible he comes to camp and outperforms CEH in camp for the same role?  It's wishful thinking if we don't acknowledge that possibility.  Go ahead and take CEH at 1.01 or 1.02, I'll be thrilled that the better talent dropped a few spots.
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I'd be glad to give you the email addresses for a few of my league mates. If you convince them I'll send a card or something. 

ETA I'll take that back. I posted before I read the next two pages of personal attacks and deliberate trolling. I wouldn't subject my league mates to your emails. As much as I might want them to skip CEH.

 
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fruity pebbles said:
Where does he slot in dynasty start ups now? Before or after last years RBs, Jacobs and Sanders? 
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I would absolutely take him before those 2. I don't think it's a gulf between them but it's an easy choice.

 
barackdhouse said:
Yep. So even though I didn't get him in that FPC satellite best ball you and I did, I reviewed my other best ball lineups and see that I have CEH and Mahomes paired in almost all of them. I also had a reaction when you took him (after I had taken Akers instead) and remember thinking I might end up regretting that one. 
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I've been loading up on CEH this offseason so that pick last night was both really good but also got me a little down because I have just one pick 1.1 and then 1.3 is next so I don't look to be owning him much in dynasty.

In that draft  we did it's one of the reasons I took Ronald Jones, I was banking on that pairing, thought he was perfect for Tampa if he made it that far. Maybe you'll get lucky with Akers in that spot, it's comparably good in the short term IMO.

 
barackdhouse said:
I would absolutely take him before those 2. I don't think it's a gulf between them but it's an easy choice.
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Someone in my league just posted 1.1 is available in a league I have Jacobs and Sanders. I'm now going to offer each of them for 1.1. I do not expect my offer will be taken.

 
menobrown said:
I've been loading up on CEH this offseason so that pick last night was both really good but also got me a little down because I have just one pick 1.1 and then 1.3 is next so I don't look to be owning him much in dynasty.

In that draft  we did it's one of the reasons I took Ronald Jones, I was banking on that pairing, thought he was perfect for Tampa if he made it that far. Maybe you'll get lucky with Akers in that spot, it's comparably good in the short term IMO.
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Yeah Akers could def still hit. I'm hoping CEH going to KC slides the whole board in my favor when I'm OTC at like 1.07, 1.08, for example. I was afraid that the 1.02 might be a letdown if there was only one slam dunk top 1.01, but now I think the 1.02 is guaranteed to be valued as premier. Still need to see the draft today but I really like CEH a lot. And someone might still love Taylor or Swift at 1.01. 

And in one league I have both and thought for sure I'd be taking Taylor Swift, but I don't think I can pass CEH if he is there.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
How so? I have the 1 & 2 (and 8/11/13) in a PPR league and still am uncertain about what to do.
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menobrown said:
That's been your go to line for a few weeks now, no need to stop now. 😆
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For sure but I wrote "if CEH is there" when I have the 1.01 and 1.02. I'll admit I play in some unique leagues, but unless it's a quantum rookie draft, he should be there. No devys. 

To that question, though, I'm not sure what to do either. I'm going to go ahead and assume that both Swift and Taylor land in desirable spots. If not then perhaps the question answers itself.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
How so? I have the 1 & 2 (and 8/11/13) in a PPR league and still am uncertain about what to do.
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 I agree that 1.1 should not be in stone. If you came into this preferring Swift, Taylor or Dobbins and one of them lands in a great place, like a Tampa, then maybe that's good enough for you to remain higher on them.

But let me ask you this as it pertains to CEH at least being your 1.2 at worst. Say you could place Swift, Taylor, Dobbins and even Akers with any team you wanted tonight. If you got to put them anywhere you wanted to you really think you'd like two of them more then the RB billed as best pass catching RB ending up likely playing bulk of his career with Mahomes and Reid and with a first round pedigree on his head? I'm seriously curious, do you think you could put those RB's in dream spots and prefer two of them over Helaire? I can't myself, not if I could put them anywhere but I also came into this liking CEH more so it's not so much as he needed to land well, but it was one hell of a confirmation.

 
menobrown said:
 I agree that 1.1 should not be in stone. If you came into this preferring Swift, Taylor or Dobbins and one of them lands in a great place, like a Tampa, then maybe that's good enough for you to remain higher on them.

But let me ask you this as it pertains to CEH at least being your 1.2 at worst. Say you could place Swift, Taylor, Dobbins and even Akers with any team you wanted tonight. If you got to put them anywhere you wanted to you really think you'd like two of them more then the RB billed as best pass catching RB ending up likely playing bulk of his career with Mahomes and Reid and with a first round pedigree on his head? I'm seriously curious, do you think you could put those RB's in dream spots and prefer two of them over Helaire? I can't myself, not if I could put them anywhere but I also came into this liking CEH more so it's not so much as he needed to land well, but it was one hell of a confirmation.
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I know it's a bit crazy but I'm still high on Lamb. The team I'm drafting for is a complete restart so there's positional longevity to consider too.

The state of the rest of the roster dictates some of the decision.

 
menobrown said:
Someone in my league just posted 1.1 is available in a league I have Jacobs and Sanders. I'm now going to offer each of them for 1.1. I do not expect my offer will be taken.
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I'd take it. I've got 1.01 available and posted to league trade wall. No inquiries. 

 
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