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RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (2 Viewers)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It would make sense because the Vikes brass often seem in the grip of analysis paralysis.
These are football coaches...what they consider a "trait" might not meet the high academic standards of us statistics nerds:
"He repped 24 on the bench press! Gotta love those two dozen traits!"
"We've got 40-times on this kid all the way back to Pop Warner! That's 10 measurable traits right there for our database!"
Football Jones
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
First glance it kinda sucks but Murray is pretty much on a one year deal and coming off surgery
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It's just another red flag of many for Cook. He's going to a low scoring team with a bad OL and some decent competition at RB.
Gopher State
Footballguy
X2Uncle Leo said:
Grahamburn
Footballguy
And he has little tackle breaking ability on his own. His vision and instincts got him a lot of yards in college, but those holes are smaller now.
jeaton6
Footballguy
AGreed. Weak OL. Crowded RB situation. Only think going for him is captain CD could target him frequently.
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mozzy84
Footballguy
Fine spot for dynasty purposes is my thought, the line won't be terrible forever. I've never been a Murray fan, he could get pushed to the sidelines quick.
Pipes
Footballguy
Long term he may be ok but I think most people were expecting him to be an immediate fantasy contributor. I just don't see it for 2017 with Murray there.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Of course, but we also have no knowledge of the future. We only really have enough info to attempt to project short term. I just don't see the point in speculating on a RB 3-4 years from now. Especially on a team that might not have a QB in place. Vikings liked Bradord and he is young enough to start for many more years, but this is also the 3rd time that we think Bradford is a teams answer at QB and far he is 0/2.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Everybody had visions of Fournette to the Panthers, McCaffrey to the Colts, Cook to the Bucs, and Mixon to the Packers dancing in their heads the night before the draft and they woke up disappointed.
I doubt that these guys slide, or can be had on the cheap, in my only dynasty league but if I played in such a league where people are down on them I'd be looking to secure more top picks to lock up whichever of them that I could for the long term. Those picks are actually cheaper after the draft this year than what it took to get them before the draft, it seems.
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nirad3
Footballguy
RBs like Cook can be good fantasy producers regardless of how good the OL is. He can bounce runs outside and hit home runs. He catches the ball out of the backfield. So he's not exactly QB-dependent either. By no means am I comparing him to Barry Sanders, but there's a perfect example of a great RB that succeeded regardless of talent around him.
Would I prefer him in GB or IND or a host of other spots? Sure. But I will have no problem stashing Cook on my taxi squad and waiting to see what happens in a couple years.
Would I prefer him in GB or IND or a host of other spots? Sure. But I will have no problem stashing Cook on my taxi squad and waiting to see what happens in a couple years.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Usually you can't fix the oline in a year, or even 2. Simply getting better won't be hard, they were terrible. Let's see, Cook is fairly polarizing, as are just about every top prospect in this class, so it will be fun to watch play out.
With as much playing time that treadwell got last year I'd be prepared to wait if I draft him.
With as much playing time that treadwell got last year I'd be prepared to wait if I draft him.
Zyphros
Footballguy
My concerns of him aren't o-line related so I'll be staying away. There's always 2-3 guys I rank lower than normal and they just won't be on my teams because of that, Cook is one of them this year for me. I don't like his vision or his stop and see attitude to make a play happen, which in fairness he did. I don't think that translates well when the speed of the game is 5x faster. His money will be made as a pass catcher where he doesn't have to make those split second decisions and he could be above average in that role. But I'm not paying a 1st at all for that kind of player.
And before someone asks about McCaffrey, I don't view him as just a pass catcher and his vision is what gives me confidence in a more expanded role.
And before someone asks about McCaffrey, I don't view him as just a pass catcher and his vision is what gives me confidence in a more expanded role.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
My concerns is that he will get into trouble with mall security at the Mall of America.
Pipes
Footballguy
Who's forgotten that? Most people expect the 2nd or 3rd pick in a rookie draft to be an immediate contributor not someone in a time share on a team with a week offensive line. Yes in a couple of years it could be fine but it's still disappointing for those expecting a big immediate impact from this guy.
nirad3
Footballguy
Guess it really just comes down to team need and how much you like a guy. Maybe in certain instances/leagues you are able to trade down and get your guy. But if I really, really liked Cook, had the 3rd pick, and was already fairly set at RB (both active roster and maybe a good guy on taxi squad already), would I take Cook? Probably not because there are players there that will make more immediate impacts.... but sometimes you just go get your guy, even if you understand that it'll take a few years for his potential to be realized.
But yes, I understand your point. I actually have the 1.03 in one league, like Cook, but will rather use the pick of the BPA out of Fournette, Davis or McCaffrey. But I could see how some nut-huggers would just get their guy.
Pipes
Footballguy
Yeah my one and only dynasty league I'm in is a 16 teamer so everyone's looking for RB's who will contribute right away. Based on our league's message board the guys with picks 1.03-1.05 are extremely disappointed. I do really like the picks for the Vikes though as I think Cook is a player as long as he keeps his head on straight.
Mavis
Footballguy
Thats their own problem they don't like it or they have high expectations that are not of the norm.
nirad3
Footballguy
I'm good with 1.03 in this particular league I'm in. I am generally good at both RB and WR but will just take whoever's left out of Fournette, Davis and McCaffrey. 1.04 and on, I could see trading out to guys that really like guys like Mixon for the long term, Howard and perhaps even Williams.
I also have 1.07 and 1.08 in that league and will likely take Howard or Njoku (maybe Engram) because I'm older at TE and will likely move down from 1.08.
Anyways, back to Cook ... I certainly see the issue taking him high, he's a "fall down" guy that you take (or trade your pick to someone who wants to and get value out of) if he falls.
Catbird
Footballguy
To me, anyone who is playing dynasty and not excited to get RB talent because as a rookie some guy is likely to share a RBBC is not understanding the game. I get that most see Fournette and McCaffrey as the top 2 backs (I see both as hugely talented, but limited by what they probably can't do - Fournette catch and McC pound - but I get the 1, 2 rankings). But if you aren't excited to get a back like whichever you prefer of Mixon or Cook with a 1.4 or 1.5 pick, with both having enough power to drive through the middle and also great receiving skills because this year is likely to include a RBBC until they prove themselves and take over by next year ... you are too short-sited to effectively play dynasty. It is virtually always the guys that accurately project who a player will become and what situations will be like in a year or two that are poised at the beginning of a new year to have their earlier stashes arriving as dominant players to replace any aging stars they were relying on last year. If you only want to build your lineup with immediately dominant starters, your game is re-draft.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Cook is interesting to me because I'm not sure we've ever had a running back that checked the box for almost literally every red flag there is.
I'm not saying he will be a bust, but if he is we'll look back and say the writing was on the wall like perhaps no other early/mid 1st round fantasy pick before.
- Injury issues? Check.
- Off the field issues? Chieck.
- Poor workout numbers? Check.
- Fumbling issues? Check.
- Poor at pass protection? Check.
- A little undersized? Check.
- Drafted to a poor team with a poor O-line? Check.
- Competition for carries? Check.
I'm not saying he will be a bust, but if he is we'll look back and say the writing was on the wall like perhaps no other early/mid 1st round fantasy pick before.
Pipes
Footballguy
What a terrible generalization about dynasty owners. Because we don't like Cook's short term situation doesn't mean our game is redraft only. FreeBaGel nails it. There are a ton of red flags with Cook and I think this landing spot just adds to them.
I'm done here. For those of you happy with Cook's landing spot great take him and enjoy your season.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
There is a lot of unintentional comedy recently in this thread.
Dalvin Cook is the best RB of the 2017 draft class. All he needs is an average offensive line to be successful. The Vikings offensive line may not be good, but it could improve to being average.
Dalvin Cook will be getting 60% of the rushing attempts and target opportunities by week 6 of the regular season if not before. Murrays main job is to block. Cooks rookie season will be limited somewhat until the Vikings can trust him more in pass protection.
As for freebagels list..
Vikings medical staff had no concerns about Cooks medical history.
The Vikings spent a lot of time evaluating Dalvin Cooks charecter and determined that he will not be a problem.
Dalvin Cook ran a 4.49 40 yard dash twice but people will continue to call his metrics poor because of the agility drills. Who cares? The guy is obviously extremely agile football player who forced the most missed tackles of any RB. The combine metrics do not match the tape.
He has fumbled at a higher rate than other players. That is a legit problem that needs to be improved upon. Considering Cooks skill level as a player, I am pretty optimistic that he will be able to improve his ball security. Adrian Peterson had problems with fumbling too. This never caused the Vikings to stop using him.
Undersized? He pretty much fits the mold of an ideal RB 5' 10" 220 lbs one inch taller five pounds lighter. Like he cant put on five pounds to be that ideal.
The Vikings were a playoff team in 2015 and have a very good defense. Not exactly a poor team. They have upgraded their offensive line and it just might not be the worst in the league again. One of those bad offensive linemen is playing LT for Carolina rnow.
Competition for pass blocking assignments would be more accurate. Murray and McKinnon are not going to keep Cook on the bench long if at all.
Dalvin Cook is the best RB of the 2017 draft class. All he needs is an average offensive line to be successful. The Vikings offensive line may not be good, but it could improve to being average.
Dalvin Cook will be getting 60% of the rushing attempts and target opportunities by week 6 of the regular season if not before. Murrays main job is to block. Cooks rookie season will be limited somewhat until the Vikings can trust him more in pass protection.
As for freebagels list..
Vikings medical staff had no concerns about Cooks medical history.
The Vikings spent a lot of time evaluating Dalvin Cooks charecter and determined that he will not be a problem.
Dalvin Cook ran a 4.49 40 yard dash twice but people will continue to call his metrics poor because of the agility drills. Who cares? The guy is obviously extremely agile football player who forced the most missed tackles of any RB. The combine metrics do not match the tape.
He has fumbled at a higher rate than other players. That is a legit problem that needs to be improved upon. Considering Cooks skill level as a player, I am pretty optimistic that he will be able to improve his ball security. Adrian Peterson had problems with fumbling too. This never caused the Vikings to stop using him.
Undersized? He pretty much fits the mold of an ideal RB 5' 10" 220 lbs one inch taller five pounds lighter. Like he cant put on five pounds to be that ideal.
The Vikings were a playoff team in 2015 and have a very good defense. Not exactly a poor team. They have upgraded their offensive line and it just might not be the worst in the league again. One of those bad offensive linemen is playing LT for Carolina rnow.
Competition for pass blocking assignments would be more accurate. Murray and McKinnon are not going to keep Cook on the bench long if at all.
Mavis
Footballguy
Here is a sports science clip on Dalvin Cook, this is why people love him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqh5y9awuSA
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Hes 210 not 220. 8 pounds heavier than that shrimp Christian McCaffrey.
Tau837
Footballguy
Fournette's QB is Bortles. It seems to say they "might not have a QB in place" long term.
Mixon's QB is Dalton. How much worse is Bradford than Dalton? I mean, Dalton has AJG and Eifert, that seems to be the main difference.
Seems like a weak argument, just piling on.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Is this true? Or did they determine that the risk was tolerable in the second round? This might seem like a distinction without a difference but in the first case it would mean the Vikings thought he was a second round talent, or at least someone they were willing to let slide based on non existent character concerns and risk not getting him. In the second case it would mean the Vikings thought he was more talented than the pick where they acquired him but they weren't willing to pay to move up. My guess is that they just decided the risk was tolerable, which is why there were reports that they asked him to stop hanging out with the same old bad crowd.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
This is a rare situation where that might be true. First of all, their starters in week 1 were LT Kalil, LG Boone, C Berger, RG Fusco, RT Andre Smith. That group combined to miss 32 games, including 26 games by the 2 tackles.
The Vikings signed LT Reiff and RT Remmers in free agency and drafted Elflein last year's Rimington trophy winner as the best C in college football. Elflein should start at C immediately, which seems to make it likely that Berger will move to RG.
As long as they don't suffer major injuries again, they should be much improved.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The Vikings medical staff also OKed trading a first round pick for Sam Bradford. They're the guys you go to when you want cheap life insurance. No concerns that you're pushing 350 and your heart has more gristle than the steak and eggs at Dennys.
