RB Darrell Henderson, LAR (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

“Kamara usage” can mean a lot of things, and I think that’s why we’re all getting something different out of it. Does it refer to snap count? Formation? Target share? Touch volume? COP back?

In this class alone, at least 3 teams have used the Kamara comparison on 3 very different backs - Pollard, Henderson, Jacobs. Pundits and commentators use it way too much, too.

Hard to know what it means, if anything.

I think it means "backup" or "not the guy who gets the most rushing attempts" but still gets a good amount of touches and makes an impact

 

[barackdhouse]

Nobody here is comparing DH to Kamara except for the people saying we shouldn't compare him to Kamara. Ok so then stop comparing him already. People are trying to beat an argument that nobody is making. They're different. Cool.

 

[Cobbler1]

“Kamara usage” can mean a lot of things, and I think that’s why we’re all getting something different out of it. Does it refer to snap count? Formation? Target share? Touch volume? COP back?

In this class alone, at least 3 teams have used the Kamara comparison on 3 very different backs - Pollard, Henderson, Jacobs. Pundits and commentators use it way too much, too.

Hard to know what it means, if anything.

That’s fair. I have no idea how their GM meant it. I was part of discussion in this thread about Henderson’s role as a receiver prior to his quote even being out there. To me when I’m talking about a Kamara usage it’s about that skillset in the passing game. If he’s a plus receiving back and it seems likely to me that he is, then he is capable of being a mismatch in the passing game and could be used like a Kamara type there. Huge increase in his is value in ppr leagues if he’s able to be deployed in the passing game even as a complimentary piece to Gurley. 

 

[Football Jones]

Your opinion and one that a lot of people seem to disagree with. But keep shouting it.

edit- because I’d rather not get caught up in defending whether Henderson’s on field tape shows one of the best ever 10 yard splits, I’ll clarify that his measured 10 yard split was one of the best ever. What I see on tape is elite burst. One of the best ever? I dunno.

I don't see elite burst.

I've seen several people mention his 10-yard split. Burst isn't necessarily tied to your 10-yard split. It's a lot of things. Henderson's 10-yard split is essentially a track event. He may just simply have really good technique.

The 10-yard split is a tool in the tool box, but by itself, it doesn't mean a whole lot (on the field).

 

[Football Jones]

what do you estimate his touches per game at for 2019 ?

I haven't gotten that far into his situation. I'm not high enough on Henderson to be able to a acquire him & I don't do projections.

That said, I do believe there's a lower floor than what the masses are thinking. I might give it more thought & post an update, but I'm honestly not sure right now.

 

[Cobbler1]

I don't see elite burst.

I've seen several people mention his 10-yard split. Burst isn't necessarily tied to your 10-yard split. It's a lot of things. Henderson's 10-yard split is essentially a track event. He may just simply have really good technique.

The 10-yard split is a tool in the tool box, but by itself, it doesn't mean a whole lot (on the field).

Yes it’s clear that where we disagree is seeing it on film. For me it backs it up. For you it negates it.

 

[TripItUp]

I haven't gotten that far into Henderson's situation. I'm not high enough on him to be able to acquire him & I don't do projections.

That said, I do believe there's a lower floor than what the masses are thinking. I might give it more thought & post an update, but I'm honestly not sure right now.

Fair enough, I think that's where the rubber meets the road here.  We can throw around terms like "change of pace" "complimentary" etc. etc. but what it really comes down to is how many touches/receptions is he going to get.  

Then we can really begin discussing whether ADP is justified.

I currently have Henderson at 13 touches per game.   And his ceiling closer to 20 if Gurley experiences more injury setbacks, which I'm actually betting on.

 

[Football Jones]

Fair enough, I think that's where the rubber meets the road here.  We can throw around terms like "change of pace" "complimentary" etc. etc. but what it really comes down to is how many touches/receptions is he going to get.  

Then we can really begin discussing whether ADP is justified.

I currently have Henderson at 13 touches per game.   And his ceiling closer to 20 if Gurley experiences more injury setbacks, which I'm actually betting on.

Fair enough, but much of my stance is related to Henderson's long-term ability to produce at a higher number of touches where he'll be asked to do more things (aka a feature back).

It wouldn't shock me if Henderson gets 12-15 touches a game if Gurley goes down, but that's really not what I'm arguing.

 

[Bojang0301]

Lol... if someone wants to say someone .02 seconds away from Chris Johnson’s 10 yd split doesn’t have elite burst... well that person should stop acting like they know a damn thing about football. Seems to me that same person would meander over into the CMC thread and say he’s a COP. That person would have an intelligence level of a small child or would be a troll that should be given a vacation from this board for posting the same thing 12 million times. But what do I know, I just get vacations for posting jokes or calling people out.

 

[smbkrypt24]

I havent known him to make a positive statement about any player. It's a good strategy: be down on everyone. chances of being right then are drastically better. I've blocked him to avoid these kinds of meaningless pissing contests. 

He was high on Rico Gathers last year.  Calling him the greatest dynasty stash.  That is the only one I can think of.

 

[Bojang0301]

He was high on Rico Gathers last year.  Calling him the greatest dynasty stash.  That is the only one I can think of.

Ronald. Jones.

 

[Concept Coop]

That’s fair. I have no idea how their GM meant it. I was part of discussion in this thread about Henderson’s role as a receiver prior to his quote even being out there. To me when I’m talking about a Kamara usage it’s about that skillset in the passing game. If he’s a plus receiving back and it seems likely to me that he is, then he is capable of being a mismatch in the passing game and could be used like a Kamara type there. Huge increase in his is value in ppr leagues if he’s able to be deployed in the passing game even as a complimentary piece to Gurley. 

I think you’re right: they see him creating mismatches out of the backfield. He’ll get his targets. And like Kamara, he’ll get carries on running downs, too. I just don’t think the comparison suggests a Kamara/Ingram split. Henderson isn’t quite Kamara as a receiver and Gurley offers a lot more than Ingram, as a receiver and runner. 

It will be really interesting to see how this all plays out. 

 

[Football Jones]

Ronald. Jones.

LOL.

Here are a couple of the last posts I made about RoJo (dated August 19 & 20):

Still leery of RoJo. My original concern was does he have enough lead in his pants for his skill set, which is a concern for virtually all smaller RBs.

He's GOT to be a competent receiver to even have a chance at being a long-term feature back. I don't believe Barber is the answer so Jones is likely to get a shot at some point, but not sure what he can do with it.

RoJo is one of those guys who I'll neither bang the table for or totally dismiss (like Abdullah). I like some parts of his game, but it's very questionable whether he's going to be worth a pick in the top-half of the 1st round in rookie drafts.

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You make a good point if you were high on RoJo initially. I think you have to go with your original assessment until it becomes evident it needs adjusting.

That said, some of us were leery from the start. Like I said earlier, Jones isn't an automatic dismissal for me like Abdullah was, but I'm concerned he doesn't have the overall skills to be a long-term feature back at his size (weight).

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I started the thread on Jones because I was intrigued. He reminded me of Jamal Charles, but in the end, I soured on him quite a bit after my final eval.

I loved Rico's cost-to-upside ratio. Same for guys like Tyreek, Robby Anderson, David Moore, & Chris Herndon (players from my current dynasty team) as well as a lot of others over the years who started out as just stashes (fliers). By their very nature, you're going to have a low hit percentage, but you only need a small percentage of them to be successful to have a HUGE impact on your team because of their small footprint. It's just the opposite with prospects like Henderson (granted, this was a down class).

Let's get back to Henderson...

 

[FBG Moderator]

Thanks guys for the good discussion. This works so much better when we keep it 100% on football and not snarky shots at each other. Thanks. 

 

[tangfoot]

Thanks guys for the good discussion. This works so much better when we keep it 100% on football and not snarky shots at each other. Thanks. 

Is this where we ask for an offshoot forum, The Snark Pool?

 

[Biabreakable]

I think it is an interesting discussion about what the GM Les Snead meant by his comments that Henderson adds a "Kamara element" to their offense.

Here is an article with quotes and also a video of Snead and McVey discussing Henderson before they selected him. Getting Henderson was always part of their plan, the question was where will they do it. In the 2nd video of the article you can hear this first hand, that they were thinking about taking Henderson as pick 63 after they drafted Taylor Rapp at 61 who many speculated might be their pick at 31 if they had not traded down.

The Rams made a lot of trades and they didn't end up taking Henderson at pick 63 but clear to me that he was the next player on their board after Rapp who they really wanted to get. Les Snead saying he didn't want to see Henderson fall into another teams hands and they would be forced to play against him says a lot about how much they valued Henderson imo.

Les Snead isn't saying anything about change of pace when talking about Henderson. 

“The Memphis guy does give you a Kamara element. I won’t get off of that, won’t say it, we’ll play against him and you’ll feel it,” Snead said.

 

[Tool]

The Rams have been unusually clear that Henderson is considered a COP.

They're a Super Bowl contender & are adding pieces. It makes complete sense. They've been looking for a good COP since McVay got there.

He may or not be in their plans to be a COP, but it's really the only thing they could say at this point.

 

[skinfanjon]

I havent known him to make a positive statement about any player. It's a good strategy: be down on everyone. chances of being right then are drastically better. I've blocked him to avoid these kinds of meaningless pissing contests. 

I'd love to return the favor but since you outtalk everyone in each and every thread I can't as the conversation is impossible to follow.

Determining which drafts to invest in is an important skill and this one ain't it. Even still I like Hockenson a lot, Jacobs, Sanders, Henderson to a much lesser degree.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Is this where we ask for an offshoot forum, The Snark Pool?

That's the FFA.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'd love to return the favor but since you outtalk everyone in each and every thread I can't as the conversation is impossible to follow.

stay excellent. I'm sure this is exactly what the moderator was talking about when he said it was good to see people talking football and not making snarky comments to others. You rarely say anything to me that isnt insulting in some way, and you've been repeatedly warned by mods 

 

[jtd13]

stay excellent. I'm sure this is exactly what the moderator was talking about when he said it was good to see people talking football and not making snarky comments to others. You rarely say anything to me that isnt insulting in some way, and you've been repeatedly warned by mods 

You guys should both probably take it to a private massage, or just let it go. No one cares. 

 

[Gottabesweet]

I'd love to return the favor but since you outtalk everyone in each and every thread I can't as the conversation is impossible to follow.

Determining which drafts to invest in is an important skill and this one ain't it. Even still I like Hockenson a lot, Jacobs, Sanders, Henderson to a much lesser degree.

Agree with everything.  I like the list you posted. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

TODD GURLEYRB, LOS ANGELES RAMS

Rams GM Les Snead said Todd Gurley (knee) is unlikely to play in the preseason.

This isn't a surprise — Gurley is coming off massive workloads the last two seasons and has chronic knee issues. The Rams are scaling back his reps in an effort to keep Gurley fresh throughout the year. Malcolm Brown and rookie Darrell Henderson should get a ton of run this preseason.

 

[cloppbeast]

TODD GURLEYRB, LOS ANGELES RAMS

Rams GM Les Snead said Todd Gurley (knee) is unlikely to play in the preseason.

This isn't a surprise — Gurley is coming off massive workloads the last two seasons and has chronic knee issues. The Rams are scaling back his reps in an effort to keep Gurley fresh throughout the year. Malcolm Brown and rookie Darrell Henderson should get a ton of run this preseason.

That's good. It will be fun to watch him play. 

 

[Bojang0301]

 

[Aznflyer14]

That's good. It will be fun to watch him play. 

Agreed... however, I'm sure Coach McVay would not reveal his hands with preference to wait until regular season.  Then he'll unleash Henderson when his defensive opponents get soften.   I just know that Henderson is licking his chops with Rams' zone blocking with big hole as if it is part wide open like Moses on the Red Sea. 

 

[King of the Jungle]

Bottom line is he looks like a player that deliver explosive plays. If he is able to do so at the next level he will be given touches. He is in the perfect offense to create opportunities for big plays. I like his chances of making an impact this season. Call him COP or backup...or whatever...he will see the field if his talents translate. Coaches like yards and touchdowns.

 

[TripItUp]

Bottom line is he looks like a player that deliver explosive plays. If he is able to do so at the next level he will be given touches. He is in the perfect offense to create opportunities for big plays. I like his chances of making an impact this season. Call him COP or backup...or whatever...he will see the field if his talents translate. Coaches like yards and touchdowns.

Exactly.

This thread is going to make several posting in it look a bit silly over the next few years.

 

[Concept Coop]

Exactly.

This thread is going to make several posting in it look a bit silly over the next few years.

Name names.

 

[miqws]

https://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2019/preseason/darrell-henderson-must-own-dynasty-and-redraft

 

[Bojang0301]

Name names.

I don’t think anyone should go down this path and I can be a pretty big jerk on these boards. This is an opinion based hobby. Yes, I believe Henderson matches predictive traits that suggest success and potential high level success but these are still humans. So I think TripItUp is wrong to say that and I think escalating it is bad too. Let’s leave it at that. This isn’t black and white either. People are allowed to change their minds too. Planting your flag is fine but why make this a war zone. If you play in best ball you get exposure to damn near everyone anyway.

 

[barackdhouse]

I don’t think anyone should go down this path and I can be a pretty big jerk on these boards. This is an opinion based hobby. Yes, I believe Henderson matches predictive traits that suggest success and potential high level success but these are still humans. So I think TripItUp is wrong to say that and I think escalating it is bad too. Let’s leave it at that. This isn’t black and white either. People are allowed to change their minds too. Planting your flag is fine but why make this a war zone. If you play in best ball you get exposure to damn near everyone anyway.

Same. Well said.

 

[Gottabesweet]

What’s the earliest you’ve seen him go in rookie drafts? 1.5?

 

[barackdhouse]

What’s the earliest you’ve seen him go in rookie drafts? 1.5?

Yeah. I technically took him at 1.04 but I took Harry at 1.05 just to be silly. Went RB RB RB RB. I also held the 1.07 but the guy holding 1.06 said he would have taken Henderson. He seemed upset I snagged him and made me a couple offers. 

In my 5 leagues and 3 others that I am commissioner in, he went at 4, 5, 6, 6, 10, 11, 12, 12. 

 

[Aznflyer14]

Yeah. I technically took him at 1.04 but I took Harry at 1.05 just to be silly. Went RB RB RB RB. I also held the 1.07 but the guy holding 1.06 said he would have taken Henderson. He seemed upset I snagged him and made me a couple offers. 

In my 5 leagues and 3 others that I am commissioner in, he went at 4, 5, 6, 6, 10, 11, 12, 12. 

Is your league PPR or standard scoring?  I wouldn't blame you for take Henderson at 1.04 since there isn't much RB depth in this year's rookie pool.  

 

[Hankmoody]

What’s the earliest you’ve seen him go in rookie drafts? 1.5?

Thought I had posted this on him but I guess not.  He went 12, 15, 17, 9 in mine.  I owned Gurley in 12 and 9, which is pretty interesting since those are the two leagues I didn't draft Henderson in.  Henderson wasn't getting this kind of hype in early May which is when the first three happened, and I didn't have a pick in the last draft until 16. 

 

[barackdhouse]

Is your league PPR or standard scoring?  I wouldn't blame you for take Henderson at 1.04 since there isn't much RB depth in this year's rookie pool.  

It is PPR with TE premium 1.5 per.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Thought I had posted this on him but I guess not.  He went 12, 15, 17, 9 in mine.  I owned Gurley in 12 and 9, which is pretty interesting since those are the two leagues I didn't draft Henderson in.  Henderson wasn't getting this kind of hype in early May which is when the first three happened, and I didn't have a pick in the last draft until 16. 

You did. Was curious if there was earlier ones and it looks like some are in the 4-6 range. 

 

[zeeshan2]

Adp rising 

https://mobile.twitter.com/aroundthenfl/status/1135699203399643136?s=21

 

[Tool]

Here's the link to the article

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001032614/article/rams-rb-todd-gurley-wont-be-bell-cow-going-forward?campaign=Twitter_atn

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Field Yates‏Verified account @FieldYates   Field Yates Retweeted Adam Schefter

A note from Schefty: "Darrell Henderson, third round pick 70th overall, running back from Memphis, here's a guy that I believe Sean McVay thought was THE most dangerous offensive player in the draft...That's right. [The Rams] LOVE Darrell Henderson."

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Up to #6 in DLF's June rookie mocks.  The buy low window is closed.

 

[cloppbeast]

Field Yates‏Verified account @FieldYates   Field Yates Retweeted Adam Schefter

A note from Schefty: "Darrell Henderson, third round pick 70th overall, running back from Memphis, here's a guy that I believe Sean McVay thought was THE most dangerous offensive player in the draft...That's right. [The Rams] LOVE Darrell Henderson."

So, the Rams like the guy they picked?

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

So, the Rams like the guy the picked?

Wait, wait, wait... There's a correlation between loving a player, and selecting them in the draft?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

So, the Rams like the guy the picked?

Sorry to upset you.

Schefter saying he thought McVay had Henderson as the most dangerous offensive player before the draft and now states as fact McVay loves him now after he drafted him and has had him in OTAs.

You skipped over a tweet that Schefter rarely makes so the point is Adam is relaying useful information.

You missed the point but saw an opportunity to insert sarcasm.
Psychology of Sarcasm –

They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and it is ....When it is used aggressively then, this will often mean taking what you have said out of context and exaggerating it to the point where it appears a stupid or inane. 

Prove Schefter makes these sort of tweets casually and I'll apologize to you but you really need to stop and read instead of trying to show off.

 

[cloppbeast]

Prove Schefter makes these sort of tweets casually and I'll apologize to you but you really need to stop and read instead of trying to show off.

I appreciate the free psyche exam and lecture, but it's really not necessary. You should save these efforts for your children.

As far as how useful is this tweet by Shefter, not very.  This kind of stuff is said about a lot of players, because teams draft guys they like or their coaches love. Remember the guy for which Kyle Shanahan pounded on the table? I dont. Despite Shanahan loving him, he wasn't very good.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I appreciate the free psyche exam and lecture, but it's really not necessary. You should save these efforts for your children.

As far as how useful is this tweet by Shefter, not very.  This kind of stuff is said about a lot of players, because teams draft guys they like or their coaches love. Remember the guy for which Kyle Shanahan pounded on the table? I dont. Despite Shanahan loving him, he wasn't very good.

You can spare me your lecture on football, thanks.  

I know when to pat someone on the head and patronize them by giving them a cookie. 

I'll go out on a limb and say Schefter knows more on this subject than you.

 

[Bronco Billy]

You can spare me your lecture on football, thanks.  

I know when to pat someone on the head and patronize them by giving them a cookie. 

I'll go out on a limb and say Schefter knows more on this subject than you.

My advice would be to just let it go.  Some guys file this kind of stuff as useful additional information and will modify their positions accordingly as more and more information arrives.  Others see it as a threat to their opinions and react as such.  

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are you guys this sensitive in real life?

How do you make it though your days?

https://images.app.goo.gl/2BhZYJTEHwyu3YXu5

 

[cloppbeast]

My advice would be to just let it go.  Some guys file this kind of stuff as useful additional information and will modify their positions accordingly as more and more information arrives.  Others see it as a threat to their opinions and react as such.  

Every player thread has a link by Faust about how much the team/coach likes the guy. I can't pick every player who is loved by his coaches. How do I know which coach buzz pieces I should use to modify which positions?