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RB Darrell Henderson, LAR (2 Viewers)

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-what-do-we-do-with-todd-gurley-for-fantasy

That's what I call a reasonable viewpoint in regards to what FFers can realistically expect from Henderson.

I can see 7-10 touches a game while they manage Gurley. Whether Henderson will be effective enough to consistently get those touches (long-term) remains to be seen, but I'd say it's par for a starting point. The good news is the Rams offense should help him.

The part I particularly liked was not automatically assuming Henderson would be the feature back if Gurley went down for the count. He likely would stay in the same role, but possibly with increased touches depending on production.

 
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MrUbuto wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:34 am

Henderson was crazy productive in college. Over 8ypc
So was:

Jhurell Pressley (2014)
Devon Johnson (2014)
Ty Johnson (2016)
Teriyon Gipson (2016)
Timothy McVey (2016)
Khalil Tate (2017)
Malcolm Perry (2017)
Greg McCrae (2018)
Kennedy Brooks (2018)
Reggie Corbin (2018)
Travis Etienne (2018)

8+ YPC != NFL Ability
But, but, but 8+ YPC!!!
If you look at career rushing stats then he's in better company. Going back to 2000, Melvin Gordon, Rashaad Penny, Darrell Henderson, Tevin Coleman, and Reggie Bush are the only players with 3000+ career college rushing yards at 7+ YPC. Of those 5, Henderson is 1st in YPC (and the only one with 8+ YPC), 3rd in rushing yards, 3rd in rushing TDs, and 2nd in receiving yards. Travis Etienne is in good position to become the 6th guy in that group.

With all due respect to McVey's 83/708/10 rushing 2016 season, it's just not quite the same as keeping that efficiency up for 400+ career carries.

 
If you look at career rushing stats then he's in better company. Going back to 2000, Melvin Gordon, Rashaad Penny, Darrell Henderson, Tevin Coleman, and Reggie Bush are the only players with 3000+ career college rushing yards at 7+ YPC. Of those 5, Henderson is 1st in YPC (and the only one with 8+ YPC), 3rd in rushing yards, 3rd in rushing TDs, and 2nd in receiving yards. Travis Etienne is in good position to become the 6th guy in that group.

With all due respect to McVey's 83/708/10 rushing 2016 season, it's just not quite the same as keeping that efficiency up for 400+ career carries.
Better analysis here.  :goodposting:

 
The part I particularly liked was not automatically assuming Henderson would be the feature back if Gurley went down for the count. He likely would stay in the same role, but possibly with increased touches depending on production.
He can be the Kamara, and not be the "Feature"...we can get lost in the descriptors here.

Again, using Kamara, because that's the name the Rams coaches have used.

 
What kind of vet WR would be needed to acquire him in dynasty leagues at this point? I offered A Jeffrey as an opening pitch and shot down without a counter...

 
He can be the Kamara, and not be the "Feature"...we can get lost in the descriptors here.

Again, using Kamara, because that's the name the Rams coaches have used.
No, he's not Kamara & never will be.

Furthermore, the Rams only said they had plans to use him in a Kamara-like fashion. The Cowboys have said the same thing about Pollard.

It essentially means nothing until we see how productive Henderson & Pollard are.

 
Cool, tell the Rams coaches that.
The Rams coaches didn't compare him to Kamara as a player in the article I saw (the one people are referring to). It only indicated how they plan to use him.

Like I said, the article above is a plenty reasonable expectation for a 3rd round COP in a poor RB class. That said, Henderson has some things going for him, not to mention the Rams offense, so he could be a successful long-term COP if everything translates.

 
Again, I don't dislike Henderson as much as I'm surprised by the upside/ceiling people are referring to. I'm not sure I've ever seen such an extreme overreach.

Henderson is going to disappoint if you're expecting him to ever be a long-term feature back/FF stud/etc.

 
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The Rams coaches didn't compare him to Kamara as a player in the article I saw (the one people are referring to). It only indicated how they plan to use him.

Like I said, the article above is a plenty reasonable expectation for a 3rd round COP in a poor RB class. That said, Henderson has some things going for him, not to mention the Rams offense, so he could be a successful long-term COP if everything translates.
He can be a lot more than a COP if everything translates.  

 
Well, Henderson has a limited skill set, IMO. Too limited for a feature back.

If all his skills translate, I could see a productive long-term COP, but above that, we disagree by a lot (& that's ok).
So you believe the Rams drafted a RB in the third round as a career COP back?  

 
So you believe the Rams drafted a RB in the third round as a career COP back?  
So a 3rd round RB (in a poor class) means they think he's going to be a feature back? They've literally told us Henderson was drafted as a COP.

The Rams are Super Bowl contenders & are looking for pieces to help them win it. They tried to draft Hines & Ito Smith last year but got sniped.

Not every RB is drafted to be a starter (most aren't).

 
in case you wanted the cliff notes from FJ. it's almost a drinking game at this point...anytime he says "COP" take a drink. "I'm surprised" 2 drinks. "feature back" finish your drink

 I'm not super-high on Henderson as a feature back-type.


Highly unlikely to ever be a long-term feature back.


he doesn't have a typical feature back skill set

don't like him at all as a feature back. 


 I don't like his long-term feature back outlook


it's hard to get passed what the Rams envision for him (COP). 


I believe we're looking at a true role player here with Henderson. 


He’s going to have a difficult time both breaking tackles & eluding defenders consistently at a high level in the pros (as a feature back).


My concern with Henderson isn't nearly as much about his ability to be a quality COP as it is being a legit feature back 


Henderson is highly unlikely to ever be a long-term feature back


What I'm essentially telling you is Henderson won't be a long-term feature back


To be fairly specific, Henderson could have decent FF value depending on several factors (Gurley's availability, format, etc.), but he won't be a long-term "feature back/high usage/stud" RB


his long-term outlook for a potential feature back or top FF asset is lacking.


Henderson doesn't have typical feature back skills


BTW, I don't think the Rams took Henderson with the intention he'd EVER carry them.


In case you havent gotten it yet...

I want to reiterate how he’s not going to be a long-term feature back


Number one is he doesn’t have typical feature back traits. 


Henderson is a traditional COP-type. He’s got specific skills that can be utilized, but doesn’t have long-term feature back traits.


 I'm really surprised by the kind of long-term feature back upside expressed in this thread.


 Henderson is considered a COP.


Fair enough, but much of my stance is related to Henderson's long-term ability to produce at a higher number of touches where he'll be asked to do more things (aka a feature back).


 he simply doesn’t possess the skills needed to be a long-term feature back.

I don’t dislike Henderson as much as I’m surprised by the kind of ceiling expressed in this thread.


he could be a successful long-term COP if everything translates.


I'm surprised by the upside/ceiling people are referring to.

Henderson is going to disappoint if you're expecting him to ever be a long-term feature back/FF stud/etc.
Well, Henderson has a limited skill set, IMO. Too limited for a feature back.



 
in case you wanted the cliff notes from FJ. it's almost a drinking game at this point...anytime he says "COP" take a drink. "I'm surprised" 2 drinks. "feature back" finish your drink

In case you havent gotten it yet...
The problem is this goes on with every person he wants to talk about.  People get upset that he adds nothing to the topic and says the same thing over and over again.  The mods see it is as someone discussing football, while the regulars see how annoying it is, but nothing can be done since it is "football discussion."

 
in case you wanted the cliff notes from FJ. it's almost a drinking game at this point...anytime he says "COP" take a drink. "I'm surprised" 2 drinks. "feature back" finish your drink

In case you havent gotten it yet...
I could do the same with you, LOL. But why would I want to waste my time on something so silly?

Anyway, I typically respond when someone engages me. Sometimes it bares fruit, other times not so much.

BTW, you REALLY should put me on ignore like you've threatened to do many times. If nothing else, simply don't engage me. I'm thinking it would make your life a LOT easier. ;)  

 
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The problem is this goes on with every person he wants to talk about.  People get upset that he adds nothing to the topic and says the same thing over and over again.  The mods see it is as someone discussing football, while the regulars see how annoying it is, but nothing can be done since it is "football discussion."
Let me be clear, I'm surprised at the long term tolerance the forum COPs have had with how much he repeats, reiterates, and clarifies over and over. He simply doesnt possess the skills to hold a meaningful conversation (long term)

 
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Let me be clear, I'm surprised at the long term tolerance the forum COPs have had with how much he repeats, reiterates, and clarifies over and over. He simply doesnt possess the skills to hold a meaningful conversation (long term)
I completely agree.  I tried to have discussions and the first thing I notice was the lack of progression in conversations.  It wasn't the stuck in my stance because I am strongly opinionated type.  It was the let me repeat myself over and over again because progress is counterintuitive to the point.

 
Never have we needed Josh Gordon news in a bigger way. 

Alright I have a question that is relevant. Is Malcolm Brown any good? I honestly haven't seen him before and I know they brought him back. My take is they did it probably as an insurance policy not knowing if they would get a RB in the draft that they liked. But they did. So if Gurley goes down how much do people really believe Brown would be the main guy over DH? And I'm assuming DH doesn't bust and is actually good. If not then the question is moot.

 
So there has been a lot of talk about what kind of a split workload there might be for Gurley/Henderson. And for good reason. But what about whole games that Gurley sits? That isn't a stretch is it? That *if* Gurley is able to manage this thing, that he might still miss a whole game here and there? Seems reasonable to me. Personally I'm betting that a non-bust Henderson would dominate RB touches in such games. Just another thought.

 
So there has been a lot of talk about what kind of a split workload there might be for Gurley/Henderson. And for good reason. But what about whole games that Gurley sits? That isn't a stretch is it? That *if* Gurley is able to manage this thing, that he might still miss a whole game here and there? Seems reasonable to me. Personally I'm betting that a non-bust Henderson would dominate RB touches in such games. Just another thought.
Key phrase is 'non-bust'. Malcolm Brown would have a fairly sizeable role if Gurley went down, but it's hard to say what kind of touch ratio there'll be until we see how each produces in that scenario.

One of my main points as far as Henderson's dynasty limitation is concerned is even if Gurley goes down & never plays again, Henderson may very well get drafted over in the strong 2020 RB class.

 
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So there has been a lot of talk about what kind of a split workload there might be for Gurley/Henderson. And for good reason. But what about whole games that Gurley sits? That isn't a stretch is it? That *if* Gurley is able to manage this thing, that he might still miss a whole game here and there? Seems reasonable to me. Personally I'm betting that a non-bust Henderson would dominate RB touches in such games. Just another thought.
Good point.

The vegas over/under for Gurley games missed is probably at least 4.

 
This thread has really deteriorated. It's mainly because of people not liking what they're hearing & hiding behind a keyboard.

How many times have I heard they traded up to grab Henderson & the Kamara thing? LOL. Oh, & the 8+ YPC. That's a good one, too.

I've mentioned quite a few reasons why I don't like Henderson anywhere NEAR his ADP as I respond to people who engage me. I can assure you that will continue as long as I'm interested in the topic.
I think you're being treated a little unfairly in this thread. While the volume of your relies is questionable, I can admire someone who sticks to their guns.

Henderson doesn't have the skillset of a feature back but neither did Jamaal Charles or Phillip Lindsay. I personally think the Rams offense is too good not to produce at the RB.

CJ Anderson having such a great season last year tells me anyone can produce in this system. To me, Henderson just needs carries.

 
The Rams are Super Bowl contenders & are looking for pieces to help them win it. They tried to draft Hines & Ito Smith last year but got sniped.
Ito Smith got drafted at pick 126 after the Rams passed on him at pick 111 to take C Brian Allen.

Nyheim Hines got drafted at pick 104 after the Rams passed on him at pick 89 to take T Joseph Noteboom.

Darrell Henderson they drafted at pick 70, and the Rams traded up rather than waiting to take him at pick 79.

So the Rams may have had some interest in Hines & Smith last year, but they were much more eager to get Henderson.

 
I think you're being treated a little unfairly in this thread. While the volume of your relies is questionable, I can admire someone who sticks to their guns.

Henderson doesn't have the skillset of a feature back but neither did Jamaal Charles or Phillip Lindsay. I personally think the Rams offense is too good not to produce at the RB.

CJ Anderson having such a great season last year tells me anyone can produce in this system. To me, Henderson just needs carries.
I appreciate the positive post.

Just want to note I had Charles as a potential feature back coming out. He was a lot better in traffic than Henderson, IMO.

 
Ito Smith got drafted at pick 126 after the Rams passed on him at pick 111 to take C Brian Allen.

Nyheim Hines got drafted at pick 104 after the Rams passed on him at pick 89 to take T Joseph Noteboom.

Darrell Henderson they drafted at pick 70, and the Rams traded up rather than waiting to take him at pick 79.

So the Rams may have had some interest in Hines & Smith last year, but they were much more eager to get Henderson.
I actually think the Rams were pretty desperate for a COP after missing out on Hines & Smith last year. The poor RB class didn’t help.

They have to be ready for life without Gurley. They don’t want the RB position to hold them back. Obviously, their plan is some combo of Brown/Henderson should Gurley go down. They should at least be serviceable. Each does specific things fairly well.

 
I actually think the Rams were pretty desperate for a COP after missing out on Hines & Smith last year. The poor RB class didn’t help.

They have to be ready for life without Gurley. They don’t want the RB position to hold them back. Obviously, their plan is some combo of Brown/Henderson should Gurley go down. They should at least be serviceable. Each does specific things fairly well.
If you're not sure your main back can carry the load why would you go after a COP?  Wouldn't it make sense to draft a backup?

 
If you're not sure your main back can carry the load why would you go after a COP?  Wouldn't it make sense to draft a backup?
I believe it's because they think pretty highly of Brown. Despite CJ Anderson lighting it up, Brown is who they were interested in resigning.

 
If you look at career rushing stats then he's in better company. Going back to 2000, Melvin Gordon, Rashaad Penny, Darrell Henderson, Tevin Coleman, and Reggie Bush are the only players with 3000+ career college rushing yards at 7+ YPC. Of those 5, Henderson is 1st in YPC (and the only one with 8+ YPC), 3rd in rushing yards, 3rd in rushing TDs, and 2nd in receiving yards. Travis Etienne is in good position to become the 6th guy in that group.

With all due respect to McVey's 83/708/10 rushing 2016 season, it's just not quite the same as keeping that efficiency up for 400+ career carries.
Thanks, this is good perspective to counter the other list. However, even in this better (best?) case the only one of those names to prove he can be a feature NFL RB is Gordon, though Penny's story is still unfolding.

ETA: And ironically enough, Gordon has the same knee issue Gurley has! 🤔

 
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I believe it's because they think pretty highly of Brown. Despite CJ Anderson lighting it up, Brown is who they were interested in resigning.
No one in the league ever really put stock into Anderson, even after multiple 1k seasons in Denver.  You also have to remember the start of the year where Carolina was willing to put CMC in on almost every play despite Anderson being there to spell him.

Reading through Brown's roto page and there's nothing here that excites me at all. He's a rarely used backup with poor college production that the rams tagged at ufda price so he couldn't negotiate with other teams without allowing them a chance to meet the price. He's now getting slightly more than 1.5m per year for two years, which is relatively nothing. If the rams really wanted him they'd have placed a real tender on him or opened real negotiations.

I don't know what the vet minimum is, but I'm willing to bet that Anderson would cost near double than Brown, which isn't worth it for two players who'd realistically be a poor backup within a great system.

 
I think you're being treated a little unfairly in this thread. While the volume of your relies is questionable, I can admire someone who sticks to their guns.
Sticking to your guns is one thing, but attempting to refute every positive post made in the players own personal thread goes way too far.  

 
I believe it's because they think pretty highly of Brown. Despite CJ Anderson lighting it up, Brown is who they were interested in resigning.
They obviously don't think that highly of Brown or they wouldn't have taken the risk of losing him by only offering him an original round tender:
 

Rams assigned an original-round tender on RB Malcolm Brown.

Since Brown was an undrafted free agent, the Rams only receive the right of first refusal if another team was to try and pluck Brown away from Los Angeles. The Rams also assigned an original-round tender to former sixth-round S Blake Countess and undrafted free agent CB Troy Hill.


They did ultimately match the Lions low offer to Brown (two years at $3.25MM, peanuts), but they weren't even willing to tender him at a second round level which would have cost them a little extra but assured them of keeping him.

 
What kind of vet WR would be needed to acquire him in dynasty leagues at this point? I offered A Jeffrey as an opening pitch and shot down without a counter...
I wouldn't pay a mid-1st round rookie pick for Alshon anymore, so why would someone trade the player they took with that pick for him?  You're at least one and maybe two 2nd round picks short of it being even considered.

The veteran WRs going in Henderson's range according to Mizelle are ARob, Landry and Edelman.

 
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You're one of a few posters who need to be outright banned & I don't mean for a couple days. You go looking for trouble with smart-### remarks you'd never utter in person.

It's really becoming a problem for the board. Personally, I can ignore it, but it really detracts from threads & dscussions.
Here's the thing. About 80% of the posts reported involve you two plus a couple of more. These are good quality posters reporting you. Not whiners. We agree with them. 

You're ruining threads for people who want to read about football. 

We're going to say it as plain as we can. Stop it. You both obviously know football and can be positive contributors. But lately, you're causing more work for moderators than good. 

And spare us the "it was him, I didn't do anything". It's both of you and you know it.

Stop the slap fights with each other if you want to post here. 

 
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They obviously don't think that highly of Brown or they wouldn't have taken the risk of losing him by only offering him an original round tender:
 

They did ultimately match the Lions low offer to Brown (two years at $3.25MM, peanuts), but they weren't even willing to tender him at a second round level which would have cost them a little extra but assured them of keeping him.
I’m not sure I agree. They paid him more than Anderson signed for. They only see him as depth, but I was kind of surprised they matched the offer. 

Assuming Henderson picks up the playbook, I think a 65/35 split in Henderson’s favor is likely. But I would expect Brown to get carries.

 
I assume Brown was signed before the draft when they didn't know they would end up being able to draft Henderson? I'm too lazy to look myself. I'm just saying that I don't feel the Brown signing is a factor in what they think of Henderson. It might be a factor in what they think of their other backups?

 
I assume Brown was signed before the draft when they didn't know they would end up being able to draft Henderson? I'm too lazy to look myself. I'm just saying that I don't feel the Brown signing is a factor in what they think of Henderson. It might be a factor in what they think of their other backups?
It was before the draft. I don’t think the signing has anything to do with Henderson, but it’s kind of odd that they let Anderson walk for less. Maybe it’s Brown’s pass protection they value? Hard to count on a rookie, especially if you don’t know who the rookie will be.

But yeah—they obviously value Henderson MUCH more, based in the investments.

 
It was before the draft. I don’t think the signing has anything to do with Henderson, but it’s kind of odd that they let Anderson walk for less. Maybe it’s Brown’s pass protection they value? Hard to count on a rookie, especially if you don’t know who the rookie will be.

But yeah—they obviously value Henderson MUCH more, based in the investments.





In Sunday’s win over the Lions, though, backup running back Malcolm Brown suffered a shoulder injury. He underwent a procedure on Monday to repair the clavicle issue, which Sean McVay said is similar to the one Robert Woods suffered last year, causing him to miss three games.

Speaking to the media on Monday, McVay didn’t mince words when explaining how big of a loss this is for the Rams.

“Yeah, that would be a big loss,” McVay said of Brown. “It would be a huge loss because of what (RB) Malcolm (Brown) means to our football team – not only for our offense, but for our special teams.”

It’s unclear how long Brown will be out, but McVay isn’t wrong when he says it’s a huge loss for the Rams. After all, he would know as the head coach and offensive coordinator.

For a team with an 11-1 record, a star running back like Todd Gurley and an offense that’s humming, losing a backup wouldn’t seem like a big deal. It is. Brown is an underrated player for the Rams, and not just because he’s averaging 4.9 yards per carry this season.

He’s valuable on special teams, playing 132 snaps on that unit this season.
 
I'd venture to guess the split without Gurley would very likely favor Brown, but that depends on how productive each is.

Brown's skills translate to a starter MUCH better. The actual split is anyone's guess.

The Rams obviously know how tenuous Gurley's knee is. Keep in mind Anderson lit it up for them & they still preferred to resign Brown. And it's not because of special teams.

I'm thinking a Brown/Henderson combo would be serviceable, but there's LOTS of questions for both (just how good they'll be).

 
Here some more on Brown:

He’s a valuable special teams player and a staple of John Fassel’s unit. Brown does it all on special teams, from blocking to covering kicks and punts.

“Not only is it not common, I’d say it’s very rare for a guy to be a legitimate factor as a running back, but also to be a huge contributor on all four phases on special teams,” Fassel told the Rams’ official site. “He’s covering kickoffs, he’s covering punts, blocking for our punt returners in the punt return game, he’s in the front line or on the back end in kick return game — he’s as versatile as they get. … You could almost say he’s the master of all trades really and he’s only getting better.”
 
I think it's important to note how fantasy footballers may forget that value to an NFL team is different than value to a fantasy team. WRs and RBs who are valuable on special teams are sometimes preferred/kept at times over players who might pose more offensive value (or how good they may be) 

 
Brown's potential RB contributions are more important than his work on special teams as far as how far the Rams could go. I'm not discounting Brown's contributions on STs, but that's not why they preferred him over Anderson.

 
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I'd venture to guess the split without Gurley would very likely favor Brown, but that depends on how productive each is.

Brown's skills translate to a starter MUCH better. The actual split is anyone's guess.

The Rams obviously know how tenuous Gurley's knee is. Keep in mind Anderson lit it up for them & they still preferred to resign Brown. And it's not because of special teams.

I'm thinking a Brown/Henderson combo would be serviceable, but there's LOTS of questions for both (just how good they'll be).
We know. You’ve said all this already. 

FTR, I think the guys on the other side are just as bad, but it really feels like you’re heavily invested in an anti-Henderson narrative. We get it, you don’t like him. But talking up Brown the way you are reeks of bias. Your stance on Brown in a Gurley-less offense is no less out there than taking the “Kamara” quite seriously and projecting 60 receptions in a timeshare. 

 
What kind of vet WR would be needed to acquire him in dynasty leagues at this point? I offered A Jeffrey as an opening pitch and shot down without a counter...
Part of it is because I also own Gurley, but it would take a 'blow me away' sorta offer to move Henderson for a vet WR.  Part of that is also a function of how I build me teams though.  For me to do it my starting lineup would have to improve (by quite a bit) and I don't think Jeffrey is accomplishing that.  I don't really have any interest in considering moving Henderson until at least in-season, if at all.

 
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We know. You’ve said all this already. 

FTR, I think the guys on the other side are just as bad, but it really feels like you’re heavily invested in an anti-Henderson narrative. We get it, you don’t like him. But talking up Brown the way you are reeks of bias. Your stance on Brown in a Gurley-less offense is no less out there than taking the “Kamara” quite seriously and projecting 60 receptions in a timeshare. 
Huh? I'm talking up Brown a bit because I like him if Gurley goes down.

 
So there has been a lot of talk about what kind of a split workload there might be for Gurley/Henderson. And for good reason. But what about whole games that Gurley sits? That isn't a stretch is it? That *if* Gurley is able to manage this thing, that he might still miss a whole game here and there? Seems reasonable to me. Personally I'm betting that a non-bust Henderson would dominate RB touches in such games. Just another thought.
Several NFL teams have veterans like him.  Ideally, they don't use him.  But if they need someone for any number of reasons they trust him enough to throw him in there in a pinch in a variety of different roles.

 

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