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RB David Montgomery, DET (1 Viewer)

Faust said:
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"There is such an obvious difference between David Montgomery and everyone else (Gibbs didn't practice). His economy of movement, consistent pad level and foot placement are all outstanding. He deliberately went last in every drill and shined in every single rep."
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Lot of talk about Monty losing value. Imma believe it when I see it.

He & Gibbs compliment each other really well.

Lions are better for having both of them.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Lot of talk about Monty losing value. Imma believe it when I see it.

He & Gibbs compliment each other really well.

Lions are better for having both of them.
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I completely agree. Monty is really good at what he does and it's a skill every team needs to stay ahead of the chains and get tough yards. He will be used the same as last season but his value will be tied to the TD production. That can be hit or miss. But for where he is going he is a good get in that spot.
 
Gally said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Lot of talk about Monty losing value. Imma believe it when I see it.

He & Gibbs compliment each other really well.

Lions are better for having both of them.
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I completely agree. Monty is really good at what he does and it's a skill every team needs to stay ahead of the chains and get tough yards. He will be used the same as last season but his value will be tied to the TD production. That can be hit or miss. But for where he is going he is a good get in that spot.
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He's a good value rn, but people miss Monty is a well rounded back. His "primary role" on Detroit is as a power back, but he was 5th in YAC and forced 60 missed tackles. In PFF's elusiveness ratings - which factors both receiving and rushing for RBs - he ranked 17th (Gibbs was 12th.) He had rushing TDs of 42 and 75 yards. He was underutilized as a pass catcher bc they prefer Jahmyr but he reminded us in the playoffs he's still pretty good at that, too. 113 YFS in the NFCCG.

Jah is a terrific player but Monty will still have a huge role with the 2024 Lions. It's not just the last 3 seasons; look at how Campbell/Johnson deployed backs in New Orleans & Miami. Split backfield over bell cow is who they have always been.

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BobbyLayne said:
Gally said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Lot of talk about Monty losing value. Imma believe it when I see it.

He & Gibbs compliment each other really well.

Lions are better for having both of them.
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I completely agree. Monty is really good at what he does and it's a skill every team needs to stay ahead of the chains and get tough yards. He will be used the same as last season but his value will be tied to the TD production. That can be hit or miss. But for where he is going he is a good get in that spot.
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He's a good value rn, but people miss Monty is a well rounded back. His "primary role" on Detroit is as a power back, but he was 5th in YAC and forced 60 missed tackles. In PFF's elusiveness ratings - which factors both receiving and rushing for RBs - he ranked 17th (Gibbs was 12th.) He had rushing TDs of 42 and 75 yards. He was underutilized as a pass catcher bc they prefer Jahmyr but he reminded us in the playoffs he's still pretty good at that, too. 113 YFS in the NFCCG.

Jah is a terrific player but Monty will still have a huge role with the 2024 Lions. It's not just the last 3 seasons; look at how Campbell/Johnson deployed backs in New Orleans & Miami. Split backfield over bell cow is who they have always been.

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Also, and I don’t want to jinx anything, but Gibbs isn’t the biggest back, so keeping his workload in check with Monty being integrated is probably better for him as well.

And not for nothin, if Gibbs were to miss any time with injury, Montgomery is a feature back in one of the best offenses in the NFL.

IMO that upside only adds to Monty’s value. A lot of sharp FF managers roster backups who’ll *only* be valuable in the event of injury. Monty is in that rare position of being valuable, while still having that next level of upside. Same for the CIN & TEN backfields, but DET a much more desirable offense to have pieces of.
 
Monty has to be one of the best values in all of FF. IN a startup SF best ball dynasty league Gibbs went in the late first and I got Monty in the mid 10th round. You can't beat that. RBs like Swift, Pollard, Spears, Kamara, Conner, Chubb, and Stevenson went before him...I have no idea why.
 
I've got him at RB19. I'll be really happy to have him there. I feel that he's a really safe bet for 1,100 yards and 10 touchdowns. You'll feel good about starting him every week.

I do think Gibbs takes on a more prominent role in the offense, and that caps what Montgomery does while Gibbs is healthy. But as @Hot Sauce Guy pointed out--an injury to Gibbs will make Monty a league winner.

I probably need to move him up at least a few spots for "If Gibbs gets hurt" scenario.
 
David Montgomery faced the 6th highest rate of defenders in the box last year (7.1), and still set career highs in ypc (4.6) and rushing TDs (13).

You could argue Jahmyr Gibbs takes a bigger role, but the DET defense is going to be 1000x better this year after adding D.J Reader, Terrion Arnold, & Carlton Davis this spring. It wont be a defense that lets up 25 ppg/needs to be in shootout mode constantly.

They're gonna be mauling teams, and the gamescript is going to favor D-Mont + MCDC’s hard nose mentality.

In PPR I have them:

Gibbs RB4
Monty RB17


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BobbyLayne said:
David Montgomery faced the 6th highest rate of defenders in the box last year (7.1), and still set career highs in ypc (4.6) and rushing TDs (13).

You could argue jahmyr gibbs takes a bigger role, but the DET defense is going to be 1000x better this year after adding D.J Reader, Terrion Arnold, & Carlton Davis this spring. It wont be a defense that lets up 25 ppg/needs to be in shootout mode constantly.

They're gonna be mauling teams, and the gamescript is going to favor D-Mont + MCDC’s hard nose mentality.

In PPR I have them:

Gibbs RB4
Monty RB17
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Yeah, improved defense would seem to favor Monty’s ability to grind down 4th quarter with a lead.
 
The Coachspeak Index
“He’s reliable. He runs heavy, he’s tough, he’s physical, he gets in a rhythm, and I think he’s a catalyst for us… That guy’s a stud. He’s a stud.”

— #Lions HC Dan Campbell on David Montgomery
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2024-09-06

#Lions HC Dan Campbell on David Montgomery:

“He’s a workhorse. He’s gonna be there when you need him the most. He’s a guy that can finish games out for you. He can start the game out and give you the tempo you need and the demeanor, set the tone, and then he can finish it out for you, as well.”

“For me and for this offense, you gotta have two backs — you need a D-Mo and you need a Gibbs. And if you got that, man, you’re cooking with gas.”
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BobbyLayne said:
Long read - super long - but well worth your time.

Favorite line
No RB1 in the sport is creating more business decisions than Montgomery.
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Go Long

The Full Monty: Why Detroit Lions RB David Montgomery runs so damn hard​

TYLER DUNNE



Dude has been through it.

Respect
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About halfway through, very interesting read.

This quote about his first season with the Bears distracted me though: "At the behest of Brad Childress, head coach Matt Nagy turned on his quarterback in training camp. Mitchell Trubisky regressed."

Does anyone know what that part about Childress is about?
 
BobbyLayne said:
Long read - super long - but well worth your time.

Favorite line
No RB1 in the sport is creating more business decisions than Montgomery.
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Go Long

The Full Monty: Why Detroit Lions RB David Montgomery runs so damn hard​

TYLER DUNNE



Dude has been through it.

Respect
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Bobby, in another thread there's discussion that Monty could be a possible cap victim in 2025. Can the Lions afford to keep the Gibbs/Montgomery duo going forward?
 
Leroy Hoard said:
BobbyLayne said:
Long read - super long - but well worth your time.

Favorite line
No RB1 in the sport is creating more business decisions than Montgomery.
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Go Long

The Full Monty: Why Detroit Lions RB David Montgomery runs so damn hard​

TYLER DUNNE



Dude has been through it.

Respect
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Bobby, in another thread there's discussion that Monty could be a possible cap victim in 2025. Can the Lions afford to keep the Gibbs/Montgomery duo going forward?
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Monty's cap hit isn't too crazy and they love him. Dan Campbell absolutely loves Monty. Monty came into DET camp in unreal shape and blew Dan's mind.

Unless something wild happens I don't think Monty is going anywhere. Guy is a beast.

They technically have a bit of an out for 2025 but why? $7M cap hit isn't that bad for what he brings to the offense.
 
I concur with @Big Nate

2025 Cap Savings for cutting Monty:
  • $2,250,000 before June 1
  • $4,875,000 after June 1

Available Cap Savings in 2025 through simple restructures (which do not require player approval) of their 5 largest contracts:

$45,000,000

Odds of David Montgomery being a Cap casualty next year:

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As a Gibbs and Bijan dynasty owner, I would be fine with the other guys eating into the workload if people would just call Montgomery "Montgomery" and pronounce Allgeier "All-guy-er" 😭😭😭 It hurts.
 
Thing is, the St. Brown contract extension kicks in next year. That's a $9M hit to their cap space. Goff bumps up $5M more, and the following year another $37M increase. They are certainly going to restructure some contracts, like every team. But If they decide they need cap relief (or if it was their intention all along), Montgomery's role can be replaced at a fraction of the cost.
 
Chardo1 said:
Thing is, the St. Brown contract extension kicks in next year. That's a $9M hit to their cap space. Goff bumps up $5M more, and the following year another $37M increase. They are certainly going to restructure some contracts, like every team. But If they decide they need cap relief (or if it was their intention all along), Montgomery's role can be replaced at a fraction of the cost.
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I'm sorry but I disagree with your last sentence. His role cannot be replaced. There are very few RBs in the league that do what he is doing for DET currently. Just watch Dan Campbell talk about Monty.
 
Big Nate said:
Chardo1 said:
Thing is, the St. Brown contract extension kicks in next year. That's a $9M hit to their cap space. Goff bumps up $5M more, and the following year another $37M increase. They are certainly going to restructure some contracts, like every team. But If they decide they need cap relief (or if it was their intention all along), Montgomery's role can be replaced at a fraction of the cost.
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I'm sorry but I disagree with your last sentence. His role cannot be replaced. There are very few RBs in the league that do what he is doing for DET currently. Just watch Dan Campbell talk about Monty.
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What is it that he's doing that is unique? Is it about blocking?
 
Chardo1 said:
Thing is, the St. Brown contract extension kicks in next year. That's a $9M hit to their cap space. Goff bumps up $5M more, and the following year another $37M increase. They are certainly going to restructure some contracts, like every team. But If they decide they need cap relief (or if it was their intention all along), Montgomery's role can be replaced at a fraction of the cost.
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Generally agree but his base/per game bonus is just $6m and right now OTC, which has taken into account the extensions handed out, is showing the Lions with $77M in cap space in 2025 as of right now, 6th most in the league.

I don't view him a cut candidate but I'd be inclined to think 2025 is his last year with the Lions.
 
Monty is core to their identity as a football team. You don’t cut that over a few million $. It would be asinine to cut him. Gibbs gets nicked, and you have what? Some retread you picked up off the scrub wire?
 
The Lions currently have $28.5M cap space

2025 available simple restructures to free up more cap space:
  • Goff $13,396,000
  • Decker $10,256,250
  • Reader $6,926,250
  • ARSB $5,840,00
  • Ragnow $4,040,000
  • Glasgow $3,163,333
Top 6 - 43,581,833

Several more in the $2-3M range. Not that they’re anxious to write those checks & kick it down the road; the point is they have flexibility.

Priority FA Signings:
  • 2027 ED Hutchinson ($120M?)

  • 2025 DI Alim McNeill
  • 2025 S Joseph
  • 2025 CD3
  • 2025 RG Zeitler
  • 2026 LB Anzalone
  • 2026 RB Montgomery
  • 2026 NT Reader
  • 2027 WR Jamo
  • 2027 RB Gibbs
  • 2027 NB/S Branch
  • 2027 C Ragnow
  • 2027 P Fox
  • 2027 TE Wright
  • 2028 LT Decker
  • 2028 DB Rakestraw
  • 2029 WR ARSB
  • 2029 QB Goff
  • 2030 RT Sewell
Year listed is the last season of the expiring contract
eighsse2 said:
As a Gibbs and Bijan dynasty owner, I would be fine with the other guys eating into the workload if people would just call Montgomery "Montgomery" and pronounce Allgeier "All-guy-er" 😭😭😭 It hurts.
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ShamrockPride said:
Big Nate said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Thanks guys, certain Gibbs owners are basically wish casting then. As an owner with zero shares of either I just want what is best for the team.
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As an owner of both Gibbs and Monty I'm happy. I just play them both.
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I was able to do that for 1 season with Melvin Gordon and Ekeler......

It was ####### awesome.
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If you get the right combo, capturing virtually all of a teams RB production can be incredibly fruitful in magic football.

Unfortunately it does make you susceptible to negative variance, like week 16 2022 when Swift & Jamaal combined for 11 carries for 23 yards with 3 receptions for an additional 16 yards and zero total TDs.

On the whole that year Swift & Jamaal combined for 361 carries for 1,608 yards & 23 TDs with an additional 60 receptions for 462 yards and 3 more TDs. But one down week... one damn down week... :kicksrock:
 
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As mentioned above having both boardwalk and park place can pay off. Especially when their team has a QB not known for keeping it and running the ball himself.
 
Chaka said:
BobbyLayne said:
Leroy Hoard said:
As mentioned above having both boardwalk and park place can pay off. Especially when their team has a QB not known for keeping it and running the ball himself.
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Hooker can run, bruh

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Yeah but does he run patterns as Smoove as JB and catch TDs on 50% of his receptions? Best rate in NFL history, yo!

I didn't think so.
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Well Goff put away one win this year with a naked bootleg scamper for a 1st down, and scored a TD on a play they call Alcatraz (because it's a jailbreak, yo!) in their last game.

Dude is a triple threat. Might even break 5.2 in the 40, best shape of his life, et al.
 
love how the Lions treat their players

the NFL is so upside down sometimes on compensation, it's refreshing to see

same team that clawed back signing bonus from two Hall of Famers who retired early has now spent 500 million (half a BILLION) $462M* on extensions in 2024

*just trying to stay ahead of the well actually crowd
 
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Gigantor_IA said:
Well deserved extension for this dude. Along with the OL, he's the heartbeat of the Lions.
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here are the initial details:

@AdamSchefter

Lions RB David Montgomery reached agreement on a two-year, $18.25 million extension that contractually ties him to Detroit through the 2027 season, per source. The deal includes $10.5 million in new guaranteed money.Montgomery had two years left on his current deal.

Detroit taking care of its own early.
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Alim McNeill should be next in the extension queue. Mac won't talk to the media about it, says "I'm locked in on this season, told my agent I don't want know anything - just call me when it's time to sign it." Campbell and Holmes have both expressed they want to extend him, and the GM said they were just going through the process of constructing a deal that makes sense for everyone.
 
Extending a back who runs as hard as Montgomery for another two years before the end of the season is questionable.

I would like to see him get through this year first without a major injury before extending him.
 

With Montgomery extension, Lions prove once again highly productive, culture-setters will be rewarded​


JUSTIN ROGERS
OCT 12, 2024
∙ PAID

Arlington, Texas — The formula has been established: If you fit the Detroit Lions’ culture, and you produce at a high level, more than likely, you’re going to get paid.

After a busy offseason that saw Jared Goff, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Penei Sewell and Taylor Decker earn contract extensions from the franchise, general manager Brad Holmes and the team’s front office was at it again Saturday, coming to terms on a slightly rarer, mid-season deal with running back David Montgomery.

The timing came as a surprise, for multiple reasons. First, as noted, it’s less common for negotiations and significant agreements to be reached once the regular season begins. On top of that, there was seemingly no rush to get a new deal in place. Montgomery still had more than half the time remaining from the original, three-year contract he signed with the Lions as a free agent ahead of the 2022 season.

But the Lions have shown, time and time again under Holmes, they won’t hesitate to reward the players who exemplifies the standard that's been set.

Montgomery fits the bill as well as anyone on the roster.
 
Moonlight said:
Extending a back who runs as hard as Montgomery for another two years before the end of the season is questionable.

I would like to see him get through this year first without a major injury before extending him.
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It’s about the culture. Allen Park is nothing but good vibes these days.

Before 2021, did we ever think that sentence would be written? Because I sure didn’t.
 
$18.5 guareenteed for the two years. Pretty good for an RB who will be on the other side of 30 for half of the extension.
 
His late fumble almost cost the Leo's today. Glad to see his teammates lift him up and get the win. Reminder that good defenses are always looking for an opening to punch your balls. lul
 
The most rushing TDs in a player's first 20 games with the Lions:

1. 19, David Montgomery
2t. 18, Barry Sanders
2t. 18, Billy Sims

Montgomery has scored scored in 9 of his first 10 home games with his new team, the 4th player in NFL history to accomplish this.
 
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