TartanLion
Footballguy
Not entirely sure but I would think straight after the bye, so week 10. Might be some on going pain management.
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Not entirely sure but I would think straight after the bye, so week 10. Might be some on going pain management.
Conventional wisdom would say after the bye, but it's possible with Gibbs playing so well, they could rest him in week 10 as well, as this is a team with Super Bowl aspirations.
I have a hard time seeing Monty not wanting to be out there for Chicago in week 11.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He's going to L.A. and he'll be active IMO. Pretty sure we are not going into that game with 2 RBs on the roster.
Down Under
Footballguy
But is he ready for a full workload (which I would expect to be about 50% of the touches)?
He should still get the goal line touches.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
18-80-2TDs
In 4 games he has 385 rush yds and 6 TDs
Gibbs will have 8-10 touches for about 50 yds
In 4 games he has 385 rush yds and 6 TDs
Gibbs will have 8-10 touches for about 50 yds
Gibbs will have at least 15 touches if not more
Was planning on starting both him and Gibbs. If he's not full go, there goes that plan (maybe for the better).
Doubt it
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Giddy Up!!!
David Montgomery and 2 offensive line starters on track to return for Lions
Dan Campbell said Montgomery was getting treatment on Wednesday, and that the running back hadn’t suffered any setbacks. The Lions head coach sounded optimistic about his progress, saying the next two days are crucial.
“Yeah, I mean, I think certainly we know what David can do,” Campbell said, “but we know that Gibbs has gotten better every week, so we’re going to ask those guys to do things they do well and that helps our offense move the football.
“So, I don’t think necessarily sitting here talking to you right now, that I see Gibbs getting 65 plays. I don’t see that, but he’s going to get his fair share. We know what he can be and he’s growing. I think it’ll be a little bit by committee and make sure we get those guys touches. Gibbs will get his touches.”
Dan Campbell said Montgomery was getting treatment on Wednesday, and that the running back hadn’t suffered any setbacks. The Lions head coach sounded optimistic about his progress, saying the next two days are crucial.
“Yeah, I mean, I think certainly we know what David can do,” Campbell said, “but we know that Gibbs has gotten better every week, so we’re going to ask those guys to do things they do well and that helps our offense move the football.
“So, I don’t think necessarily sitting here talking to you right now, that I see Gibbs getting 65 plays. I don’t see that, but he’s going to get his fair share. We know what he can be and he’s growing. I think it’ll be a little bit by committee and make sure we get those guys touches. Gibbs will get his touches.”
Not likely. If Monty is healthy he's still 1a. What that means I don't think anybody knows yet as it depends on wither he eally is 100 percent. But Campbell is not going to go away from Monty. That's not his style. He likes his veterans and does not disregard them as long as they produce.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I do agree with that, on Campbell liking his veterans, but Gibbs averaged 13.3 touches when they were both healthy. Don't think 15 is a stretch. Though it's also far from a lock.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
It has been blatently obvious when both are healthy Montgomery is the lead back and Gibbs is COP. Its possible that Campbell changes his stripes but I don't see it.
#disgruntled Gibbs owner.
#disgruntled Gibbs owner.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Gigantor_IA
Footballguy
The Lions have a HR hitter, and his name is Monty 
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Gibbs v Monty
Snaps: 58% v 38%
Attempts: 50% v 43%
Inside five-yard line attempts: 50% v 50%
Routes: 64% v 33%
Targets: 16% v 0%
Fantasy points: 26.2 v 17.6
Snaps: 58% v 38%
Attempts: 50% v 43%
Inside five-yard line attempts: 50% v 50%
Routes: 64% v 33%
Targets: 16% v 0%
Fantasy points: 26.2 v 17.6
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Monty does not have break away speed, but his lead blocker does. The funny thing about that play was they had the wrong personel in the game and audibled to that run play. Monty was kind of embarrassed, he was running full speed and he watches Jamo just casually jog in front of him coming from 3 yards behind.
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
So what you are saying is… The only thing that Jameson Williams has caught all season is David Montgomery.
eighsse2
Footballguy
slain
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Spacing is so important in today's league. Coach gets that.
Lions offense split backs - Week 10 film study | All 22 Films
Back when I played h.s. ball we called this the Veer Offense. Haven't seen it in the pros ever, or at the college level in at least 35 years.
Ben Johnson is a freaking mad scientist.
Lions offense split backs - Week 10 film study | All 22 Films
HOW BEN JOHNSON USES A 60-OLD CONCEPT TO STUN NFL DEFENSES: LIONS FILM STUDY
Back when I played h.s. ball we called this the Veer Offense. Haven't seen it in the pros ever, or at the college level in at least 35 years.
Ben Johnson is a freaking mad scientist.
Ben Johnson credited Spielman for feeding him a lot of creative ideas from the high school and college ranks.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
10-12 index cards per week lol
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The direct snap to Monty hiking it through the legs of Goff came from one of the opponents for William & Mary when they were scouting Colby Sorsdal. That was from one of our scouts.
The suggestion to throw the flea flicker to Kalfi v the Seahawks came from Rex Ryan's kid (forger his name), he's a quality control assistant to WR Coach Antwaan Randle-El.
B.J. is open minded to any suggestions. Open handed living, transparent and always curious. Love Coach Johnson as an OC but his life philosophy also resonates.
Mr. Layne...curious what you think of Monty this week?
Gamescript should be positive, but everything I'm reading is saying the CHI rush D is the real deal. Maybe temper expectations?
Also, apparently the CHI run D is weak against pass catching RBs. Theoretically this could be a Gibbs game.
I own both, but I'm tinkering with the idea of benching Monty for one of T. Dell or McBride. Three solid flex options so a good problem to have I guess.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Yeah they are making the Bears out to be a historic run D or something with the write ups.
Of course, it's also a reeeeevennnnge game.
Could see Monty going 17-32-but with 3 TDs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You don’t want to know. I have consistently gotten Detroit RBs wrong 3 years running. I no longer ruin other peoples FF teams.
They are 4th in the league behind Philly, Detroit, and the 49ers in yardage allowed and well as #1 in ypc. They picked up two stud LBs in the off season. Detroit still going to run as their OL is healthy and quite possibly the best OL to run behind. Monty is a top 20 option, but if you have a good alternative might be a good week to roll with it. Will be a good test for Detroits run game.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Your timing with the trade for Gibbs was perfect. You gave up a nice piece (Addison) but well worth it.
I think this talk about the Bears run defense is likely some smoke and mirrors because teams they faced preferring to attack them through the air.
The Lions do face the Vikings twice still and at this time the Vikings defense is top 10 vs the run and pass in terms of expected yards against.
The Vikings have lost MLB Hicks though for 4 weeks, so remains to be seen how well they do without him. He has played almost every defensive snap so far and a key piece vs RBs.
It is possible Hicks might be back by then, but we don't know right now.
Eta - autocorrect gives and takes away. Likely more give in my case.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Win-win for both of us. Got exceptionally lucky on the timing (acquired while Gibbs was out with hammy IIRC.)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
ugly win but who cares
98 + 2 catches + a tuddy & 95 + 6 catches + a tuddy is a pretty wicked comb0
98 + 2 catches + a tuddy & 95 + 6 catches + a tuddy is a pretty wicked comb0
Liked his usage out of the backfield for receptions.
Was thinking his day would be a zero and the last couple drives he was huge.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
think he had 45 YFS and 2 catches on that last drive + the TD
Listening to some Hayden Winks (Underdog Network...he's great) and he's thinking with MN blitzing under Flores constantly they may trust Monty more in pass protection.
That said, this isn't a great matchup this week. I've been starting BOTH Monty and GIbbs for several weeks, but not feeling to great about that this week with this D at MN.
That said, this isn't a great matchup this week. I've been starting BOTH Monty and GIbbs for several weeks, but not feeling to great about that this week with this D at MN.
The bolded because I think Campbell wants a physical team but the impact of likely losing Ben Johnson is tbd and frankly with so many mouths to feed I have some concerns about a drop off for everyone if the offense is a lesser version.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Monty will still have a higher floor and ceiling than he had in Chicago, sharing the ball with Herbert.
… and that’s enough for me.
… and that’s enough for me.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And a better o line + a QB who won't steal goal line carries.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Bienemy will be a free agent coach monday morning, he's a good OC would certainly help the Lions if they lose johnson.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Doubtful Detroit switches to a West Coast offense. The most likely scenario if Ben Johnson leaves is Passing Game Coordinator Tanner Engstrand takes over. Minimal disruption.
