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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (1 Viewer)

For fantasy value, I'd rather they draft a pure backup than a role player, but I'm fine with either.  I don't expect Henry to get every rb touch for the team, but he can catch the ball, and he's been a really effective receiver when they've gotten him the ball in the passing game, so getting a big guy who can run but wouldn't dominate the receiving work would be a good thing imo.

I'm not concerned that the titans will draft someone to sit in front of him - that would obviously suck but I don't think that's their goal.  I think they see him as a very good starter who has a couple years left on his rookie deal and is ready to be their lead back. 

The oc they've hired runs a zone blocking scheme which is similar to what Henry ran behind in college and he's had success with other backs so I'm excited to see what they do with Henry.
I am not totally onboard with that because while Henry can catch he is not going to be their primary pass-catching RB (he only has 32 targets in 2 years)...that is not where his fantasy value really lies...gotta believe they bring in someone that fits the pass-catching profile which is not a bad thing for Henry...the issue is if they bring in a pretty good prospect like a Penny and he turns out to be as good or better than Henry...that is when the **** could hit the fan...not saying that is going to happen but there is a chance much more so than if they were to bring in a free agent like Rex Burkhead who is more of a jack-of-all-trades and won't cut too much into Henry's turf... 

 
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I am not totally onboard with that because while Henry can catch he is not going to be their primary pass-catching RB (he only has 32 targets in 2 years)...that is not where his fantasy value really lies...gotta believe they bring in someone that fits the pass-catching profile which is not a bad thing for Henry...the issue is if they bring in a pretty good prospect like a Penny and he turns out to be as good or better than Henry...that is when the **** could hit the fan...not saying that is going to happen but there is a chance much more so than if they were to bring in a free agent like Rex Burkhead who is more of a jack-of-all-trades and won't cut too much into Henry's turf... 
Disagree.  I expect Henry's pass targets to go up with Murray gone. He's been a plus receiver, averaging well over ten yards per catch, and had 6 receptions in 3 games that Murray missed.  I don't expect him to get 80 catches, because those are usually the guys who line up all over the place including at wide receiver.  But I do think 30-35 catches (2 catches a game) is realistic and he could get more.  Remember he was considered an excellent pass catcher coming out and he is better when he gets the ball with a running start and in space against defensive backs.  His 66 yard touchdown reception against Jacksonville was the key score in week 17 to clinch a playoff berth.  Yes Henry was second fiddle to Murray inreceiving targets but that's what i want the new guy to be - second fiddle to Henry in receiving targets. That's not to say they won't have a pass catching specialist, but I would prefer that they draft a backup who is a lesser version of Henry instead of a Christian McCaffrey. 

 
Disagree.  I expect Henry's pass targets to go up with Murray gone. He's been a plus receiver, averaging well over ten yards per catch, and had 6 receptions in 3 games that Murray missed.  I don't expect him to get 80 catches, because those are usually the guys who line up all over the place including at wide receiver.  But I do think 30-35 catches (2 catches a game) is realistic and he could get more.  Remember he was considered an excellent pass catcher coming out and he is better when he gets the ball with a running start and in space against defensive backs.  His 66 yard touchdown reception against Jacksonville was the key score in week 17 to clinch a playoff berth.  Yes Henry was second fiddle to Murray inreceiving targets but that's what i want the new guy to be - second fiddle to Henry in receiving targets. That's not to say they won't have a pass catching specialist, but I would prefer that they draft a backup who is a lesser version of Henry instead of a Christian McCaffrey. 
We will have to agree to disagree...receiving is a bonus for Henry and will help his value and I can definitely see an uptick from the current 16 targets a year he is currently averaging but I don't think it will be too dramatic...the real danger comes if someone comes in and takes carries or goal-line opportunities from him...that would be the real threat to his value...a 2nd-3rd round RB like Penny scares me far more than a James White type of RB...

 
For fantasy value, I'd rather they draft a pure backup than a role player, but I'm fine with either.  I don't expect Henry to get every rb touch for the team, but he can catch the ball, and he's been a really effective receiver when they've gotten him the ball in the passing game, so getting a big guy who can run but wouldn't dominate the receiving work would be a good thing imo.

I'm not concerned that the titans will draft someone to sit in front of him - that would obviously suck but I don't think that's their goal.  I think they see him as a very good starter who has a couple years left on his rookie deal and is ready to be their lead back. 

The oc they've hired runs a zone blocking scheme which is similar to what Henry ran behind in college and he's had success with other backs so I'm excited to see what they do with Henry.
I agree with this.

If Henry isn’t good enough to hold off a rookie, he’s probably not going to last too long anyway. I’d rather he have a chance for a large piece of the pie and see how he does, than have to fight for touches with a receiving back.

 
I think Henry is far better than most rookies and the door isn't as open as some would imply. There are so many known quality third down backs in free agency, I think they'll just sign one instead of drafting one. It really comes across like an easy plug n play when you look at the free agent list of RBs.

The Titans had UDFA Antonio Andrews who eventually started over two draft picks that should have been able to beat him out. He was all hustle, effort, and yes coach. After Antonio, they added undrafted David Fluellen. Flu adopted Antonio's wonderful work ethic and attitude and about took his spot as the third RB. Flu has some ability where Andrews was just a pile mover. He graded out very well last summer and the coaches praised him.

I was well he's just a third stringer type

Vrabel, though, used Fluellen to illustrate what he expects of his players. He called Fluellen "perfect" on tape and said that he doesn't understand why Mularkey didn't play him more. He's always where he had to be and always getting his job done. Henry had missed a couple meetings (it wasn't said why) and Vrabel said he would have started Fluellen one week when Murray was hurt. He again called Fluellen perfect and brought up his attendance compared to other players.

Weeks later when he jokingly asked where he could find a FB, Vrabel did say he had no problem playing Flu or Jonnu there but they want to get a FB.

I'm still "he's just a third stringer" but I have an eyebrow raised. He has Vrabel's attention and that was a surprise.

If they sign a FA receiving back, it could very well be that Flu earned a chance as a backup spot that gets some carries rather than third stringer that barely plays offense. 

The other reason this fits is their needs-

Josh Kline's agent thinks he's deserving of top G money so the Titans will need to replace him in the draft. They're likely losing Avery and Woodyard is currently defying "father time." Unless Morgan switches to 4-3 End, they have holes at DE with underperforming players around. Their NT was bullied for much of the season too. Lebeau's D allowed some latitude to a SS so the awesome tackling but weak coverage of Cyprien worked. Will his coverage issues be a problem in a Vrabel D? They really have bigger needs than a backup RB. I strongly think it's more important for them to address these than get a backup RB with a reasonably high pick

 
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where do we see henry going in a 12 team redraft?   gotta be like a high second rounder right?  seems like a good rb to gamble on esp if you go high end wr in round 1.

 
I think Henry is far better than most rookies and the door isn't as open as some would imply. There are so many known quality third down backs in free agency, I think they'll just sign one instead of drafting one. It really comes across like an easy plug n play when you look at the free agent list of RBs.

The Titans had UDFA Antonio Andrews who eventually started over two draft picks that should have been able to beat him out. He was all hustle, effort, and yes coach. After Antonio, they drafted David Fluellen. Flu adopted Antonio's wonderful work ethic and attitude and about took his spot as the third RB. Flu has some ability where Andrews was just a pile mover. He graded out very well last summer and the coaches praised him.

I was well he's just a third stringer type

Vrabel, though, used Fluellen to illustrate what he expects of his players. He called Fluellen "perfect" on tape and said that he doesn't understand why Mularkey didn't play him more. He's always where he had to be and always getting his job done. Henry had missed a couple meetings (it wasn't said why) and Vrabel said he would have started Fluellen one week when Murray was hurt. He again called Fluellen perfect and brought up his attendance compared to other players.

Weeks later when he jokingly asked where he could find a FB, Vrabel did say he had no problem playing Flu or Jonnu there but they want to get a FB.

I'm still "he's just a third stringer" but I have an eyebrow raised. He has Vrabel's attention and that was a surprise.

If they sign a FA receiving back, it could very well be that Flu earned a chance as a backup spot that gets some carries rather than third stringer that barely plays offense. 

The other reason this fits is their needs-

Josh Kline's agent thinks he's deserving of top G money so the Titans will need to replace him in the draft. They're likely losing Avery and Woodyard is currently defying "father time." Unless Morgan switches to 4-3 End, they have holes at DE with underperforming players around. Their NT was bullied for much of the season too. Lebeau's D allowed some latitude to a SS so the awesome tackling but weak coverage of Cyprien worked. Will his coverage issues be a problem in a Vrabel D? They really have bigger needs than a backup RB. I strongly think it's more important for them to address these than get a backup RB with a reasonably high pick
Agree totally on that...

 
That is certainly going to knock Henry down a peg. Looks like a timeshare, keeping Henry in the same place as he was last year.

This signing cannibalizes both players' value, as Lewis has gone from high end RB2 to flex terriftory.

 
That is certainly going to knock Henry down a peg. Looks like a timeshare, keeping Henry in the same place as he was last year.

This signing cannibalizes both players' value, as Lewis has gone from high end RB2 to flex terriftory.
Yup...as stated all along I thought before a Henry owner could celebrate Murray leaving you needed to see who they brought in...will be interesting to see how they use Lewis in the passing game as it never seemed consistent with the Pats...always felt he was under-utilized in that area but in fairness they do have a receiving specialist in James White...

 
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Titans agreed to terms with RB Dion Lewis, formerly of the Patriots, on a four-year contract.

The Derrick Henry bellcow status lasted for all of five days. The Titans released DeMarco Murray last Thursday and add the more talented Lewis to pair with Henry in what will likely be a backfield tough to figure out at times in 2018. Lewis is by no means just a pass-down back, as he proved late last season when he carried the Patriots' offense on his back. He can bang it between the tackles in addition to excelling in the pass game. Lewis is the latest in a long line of former ex-Patriots to head to Nashville. This will be a backfield to watch closely in the comin

 
We knew there would be a COP back but Lewis is one of the best and can do more. Still, I suspect Lewis will be used to spell Henry and on third down.  I still think this is much better than previous years for Henry.

 
Dion has 329 career carries and turns 28 in September.  He's a great complementary back in a thunder and lightning backfield, but he just hit his career high water mark with 180 carries. His previous high was 64 carries. He's not a goal line back, he's not a threat to lead the backfield in carries, and he is a perfect guy to attack tired defenses.  It's a great fit.

 
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Feel like there is a lot of under reacting in this thread. Dion Lewis is almost certainly the starter. The Titans old staff never warmed to Henry. The new staff is bringing a more up tempo, pass first offense. A major addition in FA or the draft was always going to happen. 

Lewis is a better pass catcher than Henry, he's a better inside runner than Henry, don't be fooled by size, and he's been signed by the new staff. Its possible Lewis is an even bigger roadblock than Murray was. 

 
Feel like there is a lot of under reacting in this thread. Dion Lewis is almost certainly the starter. The Titans old staff never warmed to Henry. The new staff is bringing a more up tempo, pass first offense. A major addition in FA or the draft was always going to happen. 

Lewis is a better pass catcher than Henry, he's a better inside runner than Henry, don't be fooled by size, and he's been signed by the new staff. Its possible Lewis is an even bigger roadblock than Murray was. 
Pretty much

 
Feel like there is a lot of under reacting in this thread. Dion Lewis is almost certainly the starter. The Titans old staff never warmed to Henry. The new staff is bringing a more up tempo, pass first offense. A major addition in FA or the draft was always going to happen. 

Lewis is a better pass catcher than Henry, he's a better inside runner than Henry, don't be fooled by size, and he's been signed by the new staff. Its possible Lewis is an even bigger roadblock than Murray was. 
signed by the new staff? this isn't true and puts a real odd spin on it.

JRob signed Lewis and was the guy that traded down and drafted Henry- not Mularkey and not Vrabel

 
Dion Lewis is almost certainly the starter. 
I have no idea who will line up on the first play of every game, but it would be newsworthy if Lewis got more than 180 carries because he's 28 and he's never done that before.  Of course, before this year, he had never had 180 carries before.  Or 80. Or 70.

Henry just had 176 as a backup running back,  and put up enormous college workloads, so I'd be willing to bet good money on who ends up with more carries on the season. I would also bet on touchdowns if you'd like. 

Lewis is awesome and I'm a big fan of his game. His run against Dallas a couple years ago was legendary.  But he's had trouble staying healthy and he weighs 195 pounds.  

It's also noteworthy that the titans just changed offensive coordinators and are expected to run the zone blocking scheme Henry used in college. That bodes well for Henry to be successful this year.  

I get the enthusiasm about Lewis, and I think he can do well in the lightning role. But I would be pretty shocked to see him take the majority of the carries all season without an injury.

 
I think Lewis is something of the evolution of Meggett, Leon Johnson, Eric Metcalf, and Kevin Faulk. Belichick loved his third down backs and they were often something of a key player type guy despite maybe minimal FF value or people around the league having a lesser view of them. Lewis can carry the rock better than any of those guys, no doubt, but it's not like he's a feature back. 

He was Gore's third down back when he got cut, Shady's, and then Blount's. Did you guys miss Lewis' career? I don't get it. He has two 100 yard games in five six years in the league. Two games with more than 18 carries, probably an average of like 8 per game, and you guys got him as the next Eddie George. What about his small frame and injury history? I think that illustrates that if he were to be the Titans lead back, he'd be injured before the year was through. 

Vrabel absolutely adores Belichick and talks very highly of Parcells, do you think he missed these key third down backs? He literally played next to one as the FB.

A long time ago(two weeks) JRob said that this was Henry's team and how proud he was of him and his development. He even met with Henry's agent to assure him it was Henry's team and yes he had paid his dues. 

You know Vrabel played with and is friends with the Bus right? I don't know how it's possible for him to take over a team with a beast like Henry and not think of Bettis

The Titans are not the Patriots South just like they weren't Steelers South two years ago. Vrabel's gonna do things his way, however that may be. 

 
Feel like there is a lot of under reacting in this thread. Dion Lewis is almost certainly the starter. The Titans old staff never warmed to Henry. The new staff is bringing a more up tempo, pass first offense. A major addition in FA or the draft was always going to happen. 

Lewis is a better pass catcher than Henry, he's a better inside runner than Henry, don't be fooled by size, and he's been signed by the new staff. Its possible Lewis is an even bigger roadblock than Murray was. 
We'll see. Neither has shown an ability to carry a full load over a year in the NFL.  I think Henry has the better chance of doing so but really this is rbbc, each with their own strengths. 

The Titans really need to address the Guards now. 

 


You know Vrabel played with and is friends with the Bus right? I don't know how it's possible for him to take over a team with a beast like Henry and not think of Bettis
Vrabel didn't do much playing in Pittsburgh. But he did watch the games a lot. 

Henry isn't the bus despite being similar in weight. 

 
I think everyone is trying to define roles here but what you have is two quality RBs both capable of being a lead back on a game to game basis...Henry has a chance to be a good one but Lewis is not simply a third down back nor is he getting paid like one...I think the Titans have a very good "real" football backfield right now but I do think fantasy-wise it became far murkier than it was prior to this signing...

 
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I wish they would just trade him already. They obviously don't like him very much.
I don't think that is the case...he is on a rookie deal so he makes little $...teaming him up with Lewis gives them a nice duo if Lewis can stay healthy...I think this is a case that iwhat is good for real football is not exactly what Henry owners want for fantasy...

 
I don't think that is the case...he is on a rookie deal so he makes little $...teaming him up with Lewis gives them a nice duo if Lewis can stay healthy...I think this is a case that iwhat is good for real football is not exactly what Henry owners want for fantasy...
I get that. I don't care, though. I went all-in on this guy. I'm totally screwed.

 
stop with this, this narrative is inaccurate
Seriously?  You think it is not accurate...he broke his Fibula (Aug 2013) and tore his ACL ( Nov 2015) where he had two surgeries (Nov 2015 and Aug 2016) due to it ...his games played in his career are 15, 9, 0, 0, 7, 16 (missing games obviously not all injury related)...that is not a narrative nor is he a soft player...now that doesn't mean he is going to get hurt again but it does mean he has only played 1 16 game season in his career so durability has to be a concern... 

 
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Seriously?  You think it is not accurate...he broke his Fibula (Aug 2013) and tore his ACL ( Nov 2015) where he had two surgeries (Nov 2015 and Aug 2016) due to it ...his games played in his career are 15, 9, 0, 0, 7, 16...that is not a narrative nor is he a soft player...now that doesn't mean he is going to get hurt again but it does mean he has only played 1 16 game season in his career so durability has to be a concern... 
So you think that two completely un related, serious leg injuries make a guy injury prone???

We arent talking soft tissue stuff, turf toe, back problems, neck problems, concussions etc.

A broken leg.... and an ACL tear..,.. how is anyone "prone" to getting those injuries, outside of playing this sport in general?

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You have an extra "0" in your games played numbers. he only has one season of 0 games played.

the 7 and 7 back to back was recovering from ACL

 
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I don't think that is the case...he is on a rookie deal so he makes little $...teaming him up with Lewis gives them a nice duo if Lewis can stay healthy...I think this is a case that iwhat is good for real football is not exactly what Henry owners want for fantasy...
I agree. I'm not sure it was a secret that the Titans plan was to add a RB. I saw a mock with them taking Sony Michel in the first, that would be more of a dynasty disaster for Henry if something like that happens. I see Henry in the Blount role, and think Henry is a better athlete and all around player compared to Blount. He'll get his if the Titans can turn the O around.

 
So you think that two completely un related, serious leg injuries make a guy injury prone???

We arent talking soft tissue stuff, turf toe, back problems, neck problems, concussions etc.

A broken leg.... and an ACL tear..,.. how is anyone "prone" to getting those injuries, outside of playing this sport in general?

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You have an extra "0" in your games played numbers. he only has one season of 0 games played.

the 7 and 7 back to back was recovering from ACL
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LewiDi00.htm

Maybe I am reading it wrong but it shows zero games in 2013 and 2014

 
I'm not even sure Lewis is the better runner. I guess you'll have to define what you mean there. We are talking about the most yards in high school, followed by the Heisman, and then now's his chance. 

He is not Bam Morris or Brandon Jacobs. He's got that game to him if he needs it. He is far from a big oaf

 
I'm not even sure Lewis is the better runner. I guess you'll have to define what you mean there. We are talking about the most yards in high school, followed by the Heisman, and then now's his chance. 

He is not Bam Morris or Brandon Jacobs. He's got that game to him if he needs it. He is far from a big oaf
Derrick Henry's stats in High School maybe the best stats in the history of stats...

 
I think everyone is trying to define roles here but what you have is two quality RBs both capable of being a lead back on a game to game basis...Henry has a chance to be a good one but Lewis is not simply a third down back nor is he getting paid like one...I think the Titans have a very good "real" football backfield right now but I do think fantasy-wise it became far murkier than it was prior to this signing...
Agreed, this screams RBBC just like with Murray. Only difference is now Henry will get more of those lower efficiency obvious running downs in the 1st and 2nd quarter where Murray was grinding out the yards the past two years. I would think they would rotate in Lewis on a regular basis to continue to keep Henry fresh for the 4th quarter where he has really excelled when defenses are worn down.

For fantasy I'd also be worried that the Titans go RB in the draft still as well, Lewis will be 28 and has that injury history, they are still going to need to address the position with a pick in the 3rd~5th rounds, IMO.

 
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Hard to see Lewis being the primary back. I still see a step up for Henry this year. I'm buying anywhere people believe otherwise....and I like Lewis (and own him in more leagues then I do Henry!)

 
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For fantasy I'd also be worried that the Titans go RB in the draft still as well, Lewis will be 28 and has that injury history, they are still going to need to address the position with a pick in the 3rd~5th rounds, IMO.




 
Their interviews have been with later round guys.

I'm sick today and missing OU's pro day. I think Dimitri Flowers is going to interest a lot of teams. College FB but he's more like the receiving type of years ago and he's fantastic at blitz pickup. Slow (relative) but he does two things well that most rookies have issues with. Vrabel has said he wants a FB but where do I find one?

The Titans have David Fluellen who Vrabel has curiously mentioned several times already. He does everything and is a yes, coach, hustler. Anyone they draft has to beat him out. I'm not sure if the later round backs can, early ones could.  Vrabel talks of playing multiple positions and this guy plays ST, FB, RB, and has lined up as a WR. He's never missed a practice in three years. He's the perfect UDFA. He was a good runner in college but talent will beat out a guy like him, it just has to be a certain level of talent IMO. 

They drafted Muhammad last year and tried to make a third down back scat back. His college coach pulled him on third downs and he had like 10 catches in college. He was terrible at blitz pickup and catching and beaten out by 5 guys last camp. He sat on the PS but I don't have any hope in him finally being able to develop in those two areas if he didn't in college or when his job was on the line.

 
zeeshan2 said:
Paul Kuharsky on Twitter: ".@gregcosell on @Midday180: Imagine Lewis will be more of the primary ballcarrier for the #Titans in the style of offense that Matt LaFleur is going to run, and Henry would be the complimentary guy."

https://twitter.com/PaulKuharskyNFL/status/973969100199342080?s=19
I'm a bit obsessed with Cosell and listen to him any chance I can get. He's so knowledgeable and great at explaining. 

I didn't hear this one but his common phrase is "I don't know but I imagine" and he doesn't really use the word imagine otherwise. 

He's a weekly guest and has pointed out how the Falcons and Rams do things versus the Pats and Patriots AND Titans under Mularkey.

One thing he has pointed out often is that Mularkey didn't do a bad job tailoring the offense to his players. We all disliked Robiske's play calls last season but 2016 is a good example of Mularkey getting it right. He'll go on and say they need some different players to do XYZ and discuss that. One point he's made a few times is (almost like I said above) that he can't imagine Vrabel watching tape and NOT taking some stuff from Lebeau or Mularkey. I see in PK's tweets that Cosell mentioned Ryan playing a safety role against some opponents. In 2016, the Titans played three safeties not two. The Titans run this beautiful screen to Henry where Kline and/or Conklin and Jonnu are out there to lead him up the sideline. It worked great in preseason and maybe 5-6 times in the regular season- not often but it was one great play. IIRC Belichick even mentioned it and joked he was gonna steal it.

Conklin and Lewan are very good, Lewan might be great. Lewan has a fire ya gotta feed. He's gotta hit someone and get his hands dirty. He's athletic enough to do anything but the new offense better have a play here N there where they get Lewan's motor going. The Titans averaged 8-10 (I forget) yards per carry behind Lewan, tops in the NFL. They have all these blocking TEs and scoured the league for them. Vrabel isn't just gonna discard them. They wouldn't be used much by the Rams but BB and Cowher would. Matthews is "money" on third down, one of the best in the NFL. He can't match amendola or edelman's quickness and burst. He's not the tall athlete the Rams had and he's not anywhere near as fast as Cooks. You don't discard a guy leading the league (or near the top) in 3rd down conversions. Walker is outstanding with his body and shielding defenders like a hoops player boxes out. He's very good at setting up the deep pass with some underneath moves. He's one of the best TEs but he's not the brute and man amongst boys that Gronk is and he's eons better than anyone on the Falcons or Rams. Davis we don't know about but the Titans clearly think he wins most one on one battles and tried to set that up. When he ran Taywan Taylor's slants from the slot, he looked great. Taylor is the fastest thing ya ever saw, faster than Kendall was. He's outstanding at running fast and then somehow kicking it into 5th gear.He has had no trouble getting open in the NFL but he had drops issue and ran to the wrong spot at times. It almost doesn't matter what the offense is, ya gotta get him some space to use his wow quickness and speed. It appears they're going to be dopes and let Spain leave in free agency and prefer a more athletic guard. That's a big mistake IMO as guards that only allow 6.5 sacks in three years don't grow on trees.

When Cosell talks about Vrabel the player and some things he saw in Houston and Ohio state, it is still the LB liking the big hit; he likes the overpowering plays and the FB smashing someone. Pees (and both Steelers and Pats) likes a CB blitz and he mentioned that the Titans almost never did this and could use another corner because Adoree has the speed and skills to be real effective at it. Insert Butler who also blitzes well from the corner. Cosell mentions how the Titans finished fifth in sacks but lack the big name. Lebeau created sacks with his scheme and Vrabel probably knows this and will have to do the same or get the players to get it done.

Jalston Fowler was Henry's BFF since college. He was the top rated FB in 2016 and the Titans released him mid 2017 claiming they don't need a FB. There were efforts to get him back and like I said Vrabel has said he wants a FB. There is no FB in the Rams offense on most plays. The Pats and Steelers use them though

Athletically, Mariota is eons more athletic than most of the prior QBs he's seen. Ya gotta think of Kordell or Watson last year, Vrabel has spent a lot of time around the immobile pocket guys. I am in no way insulting the best ever Tom Brady, just that he's very different from Mariota. Mariota is highly intelligent. Goff made stupid throws and part of his success was in not letting him think but snap N throw. This would take away Mariota's gift. Remember how we counted when he'd throw an INT as a rookie? He's very different than Goff.

The Titans wish they had a WR like Julio.

As you can see, Mularkey enlisted some tough guys that win on brute strength and effort. This suits Vrabel's personality and what he talks about. The Shanahan O (I don't think it's McVay) suits his intellectual side. Vrabel is curiously a fan of Parcells and BP would call some of his linemen street fighters. Like Gibbs and Cowher, Parcells liked to call the same play over n over and dare the D to stop it because it greatly feeds egos and gets guys going. This was not pretty but about execution and overpowering. 

The Rams were a quick turnaround and a great story. The Falcons went to the Supe and lost with a shockingly big lead. I get that LaFleur has everyone's attention because he was the Falcons QB coach and the Rams OC. He didn't call plays with the Rams and he didn't even script many. He didn't do either in Atlanta. This is NOT Mike Martz coming in and installing his offense he's run for a decade.

Cosell has said at least four times that we don't know what a LaFleur offense is, we only know his background. We don't know what a Vrabel offense is, we only know his background. This is what I'm trying to convey here. They don't even have the right horses to do what some are suggesting. A pretty offense is fine. A (Mike) Shanahan offense with the linemen's shoulders being at angles is fine too. A (Kyle) Shanahan offense with SOME quick passes is fine too. But don't forget Vrabel was a FB and LB and loves to hit. Don't forget the Bus or Blount or what kind of back Henry is or how Lewan gets fired up. Ya really gotta be open to some mishmash of offensive styles and wait N see what a Vrabel offense is. 

 
Henry's going to fine.  Both will be very startable for fantasy


This.

Both backs will deliver starting fantasy value, especially in PPR.  Henry will be the 1st, 2nd down and GL back with Lewis handling 3rd,change of pace, and come-from-behind mode.  Henry will handle the clock killing role, as well. The Lewis signing clearly diminishes Henry's value for the many who envisioned him as the workhorse back in anticipation of DeMarco's release.

 
Dion presser on now.

Never discussed how many carries or featured back, just came to compete

Used to sharing the ball, comes from a system where they shared

He discussed Henry being bigger and also difficult to tackle. Called Henry a great back said he's a great back too

said 'here to compete' several times

"I can't control how much I get the ball. I can control how hard I work."

Marcus' running ability- Definitely opens up lanes in the running game, excited to play with him

He mentioned things he could overcome in life, things he has and got choked up fighting tears, said it's good to have people believe in you

A bit about being too small not fast enough and using that about motivation

wanted to feel comfortable and feel wanted choked up again said no one's ever wanted me

Try as hard as I can work as hard as I can because it could all be gone. In 2014 I was home, started crying, presser over

WOW that was emotional, did not expect that

 

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