RB Derrick Henry, BAL (1 Viewer)

[Dizzy]

Seriously. With Baltimore in the state they are in, running Henry 20+ times regardless of the outcome should be the goal every game to maybe give their defense a rest. I don't understand how coach a don't see this.

Keeping in mind that coaches see things every day in practice that we do not.

So they "see" their defense looking putrid and decided that Henry should only get 9 carries

I'm sure you're right... the Ravens staff probably look at each other on Sundays and say, "We have no idea what we're doing. We should just ask the pretend football coaches on the Shark Pool and go with that."

Outside of his "fresh legs" game in week 1... he has been less than impressive. Except for the rash of fumbles... they have been highlights.

I hate this kind of post. We aren’t coaches, we are merely fans, so we can’t possibly know better about anything. So why have a forum to discuss topics? We should all just trust that the NFL coaches know better and therefore there is no need to discuss anything.

Hold on, hold... let me write this down. Tau837 hates posts that respond unfavorably to other posts. Got it. Thank you.

You're correct by the way in your attempt at sarcasm... you CAN"T possibly know better (than the coaches/staff). That is a true statement.

No kidding. Wow, thanks for enlightening me.



I stand by my reaction. Your sarcastic response to another poster relies upon the fact that the coaches know better than that poster. If you are going to respond that way, you are basically saying there is no point in questioning the coaching decisions. So no point in having this discussion.

I'll pause here so you can write that down.

You're welcome.

 

[Footballdaz]

This is not due to Henry regressing, this is due to game script mostly and teams taking him out with stacked boxes

Hopefully when Lamar comes back the OC gets it together and has better game plans

What sucks is that "game script" has always limited Henry's potential. Going back to the Titans days. Guy has a ton of talent but can't find a break on a team that'll let him use it.

What seems frustrating is that he seems good enough to overcome the "game script" if the staff would just take the leash off him. Let him get 5-6 yards a carry and grind it out, stop trying to force passes and work around him... just work with him.

He needs to bash straight ahead into a defense, even for minimal gain, over and over to wear them down so they're gassed halfway through the 3rd quarter and then he can steamroll over them. That's the "game script" that works that they should be using with him.

Hard to do when other teams stack the box.

 

[Footballdaz]

Think they need to mix in Mitchell more. A little Thunder and lightning..
Ravens need to try something to get running game going.

 

[kyoun1e]

Henry owner just sent me an offer.

I get Henry
I give Pickens

Henry on a bye next week too.

 

[Skolpnw]

Henry owner just sent me an offer.

I get Henry
I give Pickens

Henry on a bye next week too.

In a vacuum I'd jump on that.

I currently have Henry on my bench behind the likes of Judkins and JK Dobbins, but I'm optimistic that he'll return RB1 value post-bye once their schedule opens up.

From week 8 on it looks like he only has 3 tough match-ups (unfortunately 2 of those are in the playoffs: vsNE wk 16 and @GB wk 17). Wk 8-15 are all plus match-ups except for the Browns again wk 11.

 

[Chardo1]

This is not due to Henry regressing, this is due to game script mostly and teams taking him out with stacked boxes

Hopefully when Lamar comes back the OC gets it together and has better game plans

What sucks is that "game script" has always limited Henry's potential. Going back to the Titans days. Guy has a ton of talent but can't find a break on a team that'll let him use it.

What seems frustrating is that he seems good enough to overcome the "game script" if the staff would just take the leash off him. Let him get 5-6 yards a carry and grind it out, stop trying to force passes and work around him... just work with him.

He needs to bash straight ahead into a defense, even for minimal gain, over and over to wear them down so they're gassed halfway through the 3rd quarter and then he can steamroll over them. That's the "game script" that works that they should be using with him.

Hard to do when other teams stack the box.

Break one tackle and he's gone. Henry has an deep list of long TDs, most of which had a stacked box.

 

[kyoun1e]

Henry owner just sent me an offer.

I get Henry
I give Pickens

Henry on a bye next week too.

In a vacuum I'd jump on that.

I currently have Henry on my bench behind the likes of Judkins and JK Dobbins, but I'm optimistic that he'll return RB1 value post-bye once their schedule opens up.

From week 8 on it looks like he only has 3 tough match-ups (unfortunately 2 of those are in the playoffs: vsNE wk 16 and @GB wk 17). Wk 8-15 are all plus match-ups except for the Browns again wk 11.

If I was 5-0 or 4-1 I would. Just can't do it right now.

Do agree that this is the buy low moment for Henry. Things will improve after the bye.

 

[Payne]

I jumped ship. I think the team is toast. Defense is bad. Game script will take Henry out early and often.

 

[kyoun1e]

I jumped ship. I think the team is toast. Defense is bad. Game script will take Henry out early and often.

What did you get in return?

Was thinking of offering J. Mason and D. Waller (I have McBride).

 

[Payne]

I jumped ship. I think the team is toast. Defense is bad. Game script will take Henry out early and often.

What did you get in return?

Was thinking of offering J. Mason and D. Waller (I have McBride).

I lost Nabers and needed WR help.
I traded Henry and Kraft for Bill and AJ Brown. I have Ferguson as my other TE and I like the upside Bill provides over Henry in a PPR league.

 

[Faust]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

 

[TheWinz]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

 

[Guss]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

Henry has been fine, the Ravens defense has not been fine, they have been getting shredded.
That has been the issue, they get behind and play Hill in catchup mode

If they do not get healthy or figure other things out on defense it is going to be a subpar season for Henry
Through no fault of his own, except for those couple of fumbles

 

[Payne]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

It's a team sport. Henry is fine. The team is terrible.

 

[Dizzy]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

So you're saying Henry has fallen from #1 to #20 since the start of the season and currently ranks in the area of Cam Skattebo (YTD).

FWIW - Malik Nabers has about the same ranking amongst WRs after 5 weeks.

 

[apalmer]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

On the other hand, since his big game in Week 1, he's averaging 3.2 yards per carry.

 

[TheWinz]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

On the other hand, since his big game in Week 1, he's averaging 3.2 yards per carry.

You are talking about 4 games. And in 2 of them, he averaged 4.2 and 5.3. The 2 terrible average games were 2.1 and 2.2, against CLE and HOU. Both of those D's are holding opponents to under under 4 YPC, with CLE leading the league at 3.0 YPC. Let's not make it sound like he's had 4 out of 5 terrible games when it's only been 2.

 

[Chardo1]

Noreaster likely for this week's game in Baltimore. I could see Henry getting 30 carries.

 

[Dizzy]

Noreaster likely for this week's game in Baltimore. I could see Henry getting 30 carries.

Is this the same Rams team that threw it up/down the field in a blizzard against a MUCH better defense in Philly last year? This game might be 28-0 by halftime. Then again, maybe a monsoon will help with Henry's new-found fumbling issues.

Look, at nearly 32 years old, sometime between NOW and VERY SOON Henry will have played his last down in the NFL. The Ravens defense is much worse than we all thought prior to last week's game. It is hard to imagine 30 carries for Henry. That's around 10 possessions without Lamar and a powderpuff defense.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Moved him for a 2026 first and am completely fine with that.

 

[TheWinz]

Josh Norris
after being the RB1 in scoring in Week 1

Derrick Henry has finished as the...

RB59
RB22
RB42
RB25

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1975984875653169373?s=61

After 5 weeks, Derrick Henry is averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He is currently RB20, and 12 of the 19 ahead of him have a lower YPC. He also has 4 rushing TD’s. Three of the 19 ahead of him have more rushing TD’s. He has 68 touches thru 5 weeks. Of the 19 ahead of him, nobody has less touches.

Henry is fine. He just needs more volume.

So you're saying Henry has fallen from #1 to #20 since the start of the season and currently ranks in the area of Cam Skattebo (YTD).

FWIW - Malik Nabers has about the same ranking amongst WRs after 5 weeks.

No - I'm saying since his 18-carry week 1 performance, he's averaged 11.5 carries per game, and that's not Henry-like. The last time he had a 4 game stretch with only 46 carries was 2018, when he shared the backfield in TEN with Dion Lewis.

 

[Chardo1]

Noreaster likely for this week's game in Baltimore. I could see Henry getting 30 carries.

Is this the same Rams team that threw it up/down the field in a blizzard against a MUCH better defense in Philly last year? This game might be 28-0 by halftime. Then again, maybe a monsoon will help with Henry's new-found fumbling issues.

Look, at nearly 32 years old, sometime between NOW and VERY SOON Henry will have played his last down in the NFL. The Ravens defense is much worse than we all thought prior to last week's game. It is hard to imagine 30 carries for Henry. That's around 10 possessions without Lamar and a powderpuff defense.

There was snow, but not much wind. And Stafford is worlds better than whoever Baltimore trots out this week. You might also remember there was 396 yards rushing that game between the teams. Barkley ran for 205 yards against that same Rams team. Bad weather makes run-heavy teams want to run even more. They're going to feed Henry.

 

[TheWinz]

Noreaster likely for this week's game in Baltimore. I could see Henry getting 30 carries.

Is this the same Rams team that threw it up/down the field in a blizzard against a MUCH better defense in Philly last year? This game might be 28-0 by halftime. Then again, maybe a monsoon will help with Henry's new-found fumbling issues.

Look, at nearly 32 years old, sometime between NOW and VERY SOON Henry will have played his last down in the NFL. The Ravens defense is much worse than we all thought prior to last week's game. It is hard to imagine 30 carries for Henry. That's around 10 possessions without Lamar and a powderpuff defense.

There was snow, but not much wind. And Stafford is worlds better than whoever Baltimore trots out this week. You might also remember there was 396 yards rushing that game between the teams. Barkley ran for 205 yards against that same Rams team. Bad weather makes run-heavy teams want to run even more. They're going to feed Henry.

It's kind of a lose-lose situation for Henry at the moment
- If he gets around his usual 11.5 carries he's had over the last 4 games, people will say he's washed up or a bust
- If he gets a lot of carries and either has a fumble or a bad yards per carry, people will say he's washed up or a bust
- If he gets a lot of carries and has a great game, people will say it's just an anomaly and only his 2nd good game this year

No matter what he does this week, it won't change how FF'ers see him. In almost everyone's mind, he's already either a buy-low or a sell-low, with very few on the fence. I, for one, am a buy-low guy.

 

[crushedspirit]

7th in explosive run rate and 9th in yards after contact per attempt coming into the week tells me he's far from toast as a runner

team situation is a serious issue limiting his production

 

[TheWinz]

7th in explosive run rate and 9th in yards after contact per attempt coming into the week tells me he's far from toast as a runner

team situation is a serious issue limiting his production

Agreed. But I expect at least one naysayer to chime in and say most of those stats can be attributed to a single game, and therefore, they don't matter at all.

 

[VikingFrog]

And even in that game those stats were attributed to two long runs where he scored touchdowns!

Take those runs away and he’s washed.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

And even in that game those stats were attributed to two long runs where he scored touchdowns!

Take those runs away and he’s washed.

if you take away his top 50% of plays, he's less than half the player everyone thinks he is!

 

[crushedspirit]

Might as well delete the 28 yd TD run vs Detroit as well while you're at it, or that he's 2nd in the league behind Walker with four 20+ yard runs and tied for 11th with eight runs of 10+ yards.

The only negative I've seen this year that he deserves criticism for are the uncharacteristic fumbles.

 

[-OZ-]

I’m still starting him over DK metcalf and I’ll be cheering for him until he retires. But I wouldn’t trade for him this year.

 

[Dizzy]

Noreaster likely for this week's game in Baltimore. I could see Henry getting 30 carries.

Is this the same Rams team that threw it up/down the field in a blizzard against a MUCH better defense in Philly last year? This game might be 28-0 by halftime. Then again, maybe a monsoon will help with Henry's new-found fumbling issues.

Look, at nearly 32 years old, sometime between NOW and VERY SOON Henry will have played his last down in the NFL. The Ravens defense is much worse than we all thought prior to last week's game. It is hard to imagine 30 carries for Henry. That's around 10 possessions without Lamar and a powderpuff defense.

There was snow, but not much wind. And Stafford is worlds better than whoever Baltimore trots out this week. You might also remember there was 396 yards rushing that game between the teams. Barkley ran for 205 yards against that same Rams team. Bad weather makes run-heavy teams want to run even more. They're going to feed Henry.

It's kind of a lose-lose situation for Henry at the moment
- If he gets around his usual 11.5 carries he's had over the last 4 games, people will say he's washed up or a bust
- If he gets a lot of carries and either has a fumble or a bad yards per carry, people will say he's washed up or a bust
- If he gets a lot of carries and has a great game, people will say it's just an anomaly and only his 2nd good game this year

No matter what he does this week, it won't change how FF'ers see him. In almost everyone's mind, he's already either a buy-low or a sell-low, with very few on the fence. I, for one, am a buy-low guy.

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

 

[VikingFrog]

it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

Woody Marks owners who used all their FAAB would like a word.

 

[Dizzy]

it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

Woody Marks owners who used all their FAAB would like a word.

Yeah, fair enough.

Just saw an interesting stat... if the Ravens somehow make the playoffs, they will break the record for "worst scoring defense through first 5 games to make the play-offs"... the record is 163 (didn't catch who it was)... the Ravens have given up 177 points.

 

[kyoun1e]

This has to be the buy low of a lifetime for D. Henry.

Defense stinks. Lamar hurt. Poor gamescript. Bye upcoming.

Negative, negative, negative.

Have to think they get healthier on D, Lamar will be back after the bye, and I see Cinci twice on the schedule, MIA's putrid D, CHI's putrid run D, and a PIT D that's been run on.

Would love to see some buy low trades that have been accepted.

 

[Grahamburn]

This has to be the buy low of a lifetime for D. Henry.

Defense stinks. Lamar hurt. Poor gamescript. Bye upcoming.

Negative, negative, negative.

Have to think they get healthier on D, Lamar will be back after the bye, and I see Cinci twice on the schedule, MIA's putrid D, CHI's putrid run D, and a PIT D that's been run on.

Would love to see some buy low trades that have been accepted.

I tried to give Pickens and Chubb. Rejected.

 

[kyoun1e]

This has to be the buy low of a lifetime for D. Henry.

Defense stinks. Lamar hurt. Poor gamescript. Bye upcoming.

Negative, negative, negative.

Have to think they get healthier on D, Lamar will be back after the bye, and I see Cinci twice on the schedule, MIA's putrid D, CHI's putrid run D, and a PIT D that's been run on.

Would love to see some buy low trades that have been accepted.

I tried to give Pickens and Chubb. Rejected.

Wow

 

[TheWinz]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

 

[Dizzy]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

 

[Alpha Dawgs]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

The burst is there that isn't the issue.

 

[Dizzy]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

The burst is there that isn't the issue.

Agreed. He's fumbling like a MF. That's an issue as well.

 

[crushedspirit]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

But nobody is disagreeing about the situation with the team and that it might not change anytime soon. As of now he's had 1 RB1 finish and 2 RB2 finishes from 5 starts and it's not what many wanted and/or expected. I don't think many envisioned the team falling this hard so early on, but it happens.

What many of us disagree with is the notion that he's gone off the "Shawn Alexander" cliff, and a lot of information above points to that. The fumbles are on him no questions asked, and he needs to clean it up.

 

[TheWinz]

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want.

So, actual facts are lipstick? Got it.
I am not trying to say his last 4 games in FF have been good at all. I am saying he simply lacks volume. In PPR leagues, he is RB20 on 68 touches. No player above him has less touches. 6 players below him have more touches. As for his "rash" of fumbles as you called it, he lost 1 fumble in game 1 and 1 in game 3. I wouldn't call that a rash.

 

[Dizzy]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

But nobody is disagreeing about the situation with the team and that it might not change anytime soon. As of now he's had 1 RB1 finish and 2 RB2 finishes from 5 starts and it's not what many wanted and/or expected. I don't think many envisioned the team falling this hard so early on, but it happens.

What many of us disagree with is the notion that he's gone off the "Shawn Alexander" cliff, and a lot of information above points to that. The fumbles are on him no questions asked, and he needs to clean it up.

And nobody said he went off the cliff... or he's cooked... all I am saying is that he is closer to THERE than RB1. And maybe this is his "meh" season, and next year he's... older... then... maybe, staring into the abyss.

Honestly, just toss week 1 for a minute. Adrian Peterson could probably still play week 1. Getting the body back for the following weeks is the trick for older backs.

 

[Dizzy]

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want.

So, actual facts are lipstick? Got it.
I am not trying to say his last 4 games in FF have been good at all. I am saying he simply lacks volume. In PPR leagues, he is RB20 on 68 touches. No player above him has less touches. 6 players below him have more touches. As for his "rash" of fumbles as you called it, he lost 1 fumble in game 1 and 1 in game 3. I wouldn't call that a rash.

You can call it whatever you want.

OK, he's not getting the volume. Fine. I'm going over to the Tee Higgins thread now to argue that in a pts/yds/route league Tee Higgins is still awesome.

 

[crushedspirit]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

But nobody is disagreeing about the situation with the team and that it might not change anytime soon. As of now he's had 1 RB1 finish and 2 RB2 finishes from 5 starts and it's not what many wanted and/or expected. I don't think many envisioned the team falling this hard so early on, but it happens.

What many of us disagree with is the notion that he's gone off the "Shawn Alexander" cliff, and a lot of information above points to that. The fumbles are on him no questions asked, and he needs to clean it up.

And nobody said he went off the cliff... or he's cooked... all I am saying is that he is closer to THERE than RB1. And maybe this is his "meh" season, and next year he's... older... then... maybe, staring into the abyss.

Honestly, just toss week 1 for a minute. Adrian Peterson could probably still play week 1. Getting the body back for the following weeks is the trick for older backs.

You sure nobody said that on the previous page?

 

[TheWinz]

I'm just trying to will him to 20+ carries in week 6

 

[Dizzy]

I don't think that's true. This is a classic case of "once is notable, twice is concerning, and three times is a trend"... and IMO that can be applied to Henry's string of dud games and his sudden rash of fumbles... and in the case of the former, we are past "three's a trend"

If he puts up another dud - by Henry's standards - the excuses will become fewer. That's just human nature. And the reasons really don't matter. For example: when I see the "he needs 25 carries and he'll be fine" explanation... I guess that implies that the Ravens defense will suddenly turn it around. I see zero indication of that. In fact, after the Houston game... it looks like the Ravens are the new "play all your guys against the Ravens" team for fantasy. Their defense is putrid.

String of dud games?
Game 1 - 18/169/2 - 9.4 yards per carry
Game 2 - 11/23/0 - 2.1 yards per carry
Game 3 - 12/50/1 - 4.2 yards per carry
Game 4 - 8/42/0 - 5.3 yards per carry
Game 5 - 15/33/1 - 2.2 yards per carry

Looking above, I see game 1 as a great game, games 2 and 5 as duds, and games 3 and 4 as low volume games, but not duds. Where's the string?

You can slap as much lipstick on it as you want. Unless you're in some weird pts/yds/carry league... he's had 4 duds. Unless you drafted him in round 7 right after D'Andre Swift... then he's right on schedule.

As I said, a dud is a dud, and it does not matter how he got there. With that Ravens defense, or lack thereof, there are no 25 carry games coming.

Maybe the NFL will go to a 1 game/month schedule and Henry will get his burst back.

But nobody is disagreeing about the situation with the team and that it might not change anytime soon. As of now he's had 1 RB1 finish and 2 RB2 finishes from 5 starts and it's not what many wanted and/or expected. I don't think many envisioned the team falling this hard so early on, but it happens.

What many of us disagree with is the notion that he's gone off the "Shawn Alexander" cliff, and a lot of information above points to that. The fumbles are on him no questions asked, and he needs to clean it up.

And nobody said he went off the cliff... or he's cooked... all I am saying is that he is closer to THERE than RB1. And maybe this is his "meh" season, and next year he's... older... then... maybe, staring into the abyss.

Honestly, just toss week 1 for a minute. Adrian Peterson could probably still play week 1. Getting the body back for the following weeks is the trick for older backs.

You sure nobody said that on the previous page?

This is fantasy football. We don't look back 5 minutes, 5 hours, previous week, previous page, pre-season... none of it. That's called gunny-sacking... a marriage killer.

 

[TheWinz]

This is fantasy football. We don't look back 5 minutes, 5 hours, previous week, previous page, pre-season... none of it. That's called gunny-sacking... a marriage killer.

Now that you said that, Henry's last 2 carries were 5 and 7 yards. He's a stud!

 

[dipandglide]

Buying low. He's not washed and will have big games in the future. His inability to catch passes lowers the floor, unfortunately.

 

[Ray_T]

This is not due to Henry regressing, this is due to game script mostly and teams taking him out with stacked boxes

Hopefully when Lamar comes back the OC gets it together and has better game plans

What sucks is that "game script" has always limited Henry's potential. Going back to the Titans days. Guy has a ton of talent but can't find a break on a team that'll let him use it.

What seems frustrating is that he seems good enough to overcome the "game script" if the staff would just take the leash off him. Let him get 5-6 yards a carry and grind it out, stop trying to force passes and work around him... just work with him.

He needs to bash straight ahead into a defense, even for minimal gain, over and over to wear them down so they're gassed halfway through the 3rd quarter and then he can steamroll over them. That's the "game script" that works that they should be using with him.

Hard to do when other teams stack the box.

thing about RB's. their stats Often mirror how the team is doing as a whole.

there are sometimes exceptions to this, but thats the fact of the matter. if the team is winning they will run the ball more and kill the clock. if Losing its pass pass pass.

The Ravens have had an awful lot of injuries. on both sides of the ball. and they have been losing. and that takes Henry out of the game plan.

with a backup QB at the helm If I were a DC I'd be stacking the box and force them to beat you through the air. if the QB play was good enough I assure you Henry would be putting up better numbers. but its not. and the Defense has been terrible so all the team needs to do is not score on a couple straight drives and then they are behind.

its bad news for a RB. I would expect Henry to put up subpar stats until Lamar is back in there. Even so, the D is still giving up a lot of points, so no guarantee Lamar gets it done in terms of winning games...... but he will at least balance out the offense and that should at least make Henry playable.

 

[rockaction]

This is not due to Henry regressing, this is due to game script mostly and teams taking him out with stacked boxes

Hopefully when Lamar comes back the OC gets it together and has better game plans

What sucks is that "game script" has always limited Henry's potential. Going back to the Titans days. Guy has a ton of talent but can't find a break on a team that'll let him use it.

What seems frustrating is that he seems good enough to overcome the "game script" if the staff would just take the leash off him. Let him get 5-6 yards a carry and grind it out, stop trying to force passes and work around him... just work with him.

He needs to bash straight ahead into a defense, even for minimal gain, over and over to wear them down so they're gassed halfway through the 3rd quarter and then he can steamroll over them. That's the "game script" that works that they should be using with him.

Hard to do when other teams stack the box.

thing about RB's. their stats Often mirror how the team is doing as a whole.

there are sometimes exceptions to this, but thats the fact of the matter. if the team is winning they will run the ball more and kill the clock. if Losing its pass pass pass.

The Ravens have had an awful lot of injuries. on both sides of the ball. and they have been losing. and that takes Henry out of the game plan.

with a backup QB at the helm If I were a DC I'd be stacking the box and force them to beat you through the air. if the QB play was good enough I assure you Henry would be putting up better numbers. but its not. and the Defense has been terrible so all the team needs to do is not score on a couple straight drives and then they are behind.

its bad news for a RB. I would expect Henry to put up subpar stats until Lamar is back in there. Even so, the D is still giving up a lot of points, so no guarantee Lamar gets it done in terms of winning games...... but he will at least balance out the offense and that should at least make Henry playable.

This is an excellent comment, IMO. It was telling that I heard an analyst say that Henry’s stats look a thirty-year old+ back’s stats should look like when Lamar isn’t in the game.

Although I will say that this is sort of the beginning of the end in my opinion. It might not even be the beginning, and the attention teams give to Lamar might have been masking it last year.