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RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Why do you feel good about it?I have him and McLaurin and feel really good about it
I own them both too.
Afraid horrible coaching, bad supporting cast, bad QB play, a minor procedure turning into endless infections, etc are not making me feel good about it. Players on really bad teams usually don't produce, especially RBs.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Guice is young, looks good to me and is getting more and more reps. IF he makes it through the rest of this season without any injuries that require rehab I’ll feel even better. He’s just 22 and they’re giving him 3rd down work too. Obviously I’ll wait to see who they get as a HC though.
Yes they are bad this year but things in the NFL turn around quickly. Our division (I’m an Eagles fan) is also very bad. They can compete as soon as next season.
McLaurin is going to be really good. Wouldn’t shock me if he enters top 10 PPR as soon as next season.
-OZ-
Footballguy
This
And yet that's the hardest call for me this week. If I thought guice would get another ten snaps or so it might be an easy call. But right now I need to pick between him, Bo, and Hyde at rb2, then those guys, Gage or diontae at flex
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
might be able to actually trade him for something this offseason
That one guy
Footballguy
Mmmm...with D Henry as my RB1, if they unleash Guice in a similar fashion might have to rename my team to the Stiffarm Express
popeye
Footballguy
You'll absolutely be able to flip him if you need to improve your team elsewhere. The question is do you really want to? At a minimum I'd hold until you know who the next coach will be. Me, I've been holding since last year and will continue to do so in belief he takes over the backfield in 2020.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I have long term concerns. if he ends the season as good as he played today then he is a hold, but I have health concerns
Chaka
Footballguy
It seems like you already made up your mind despite mounting evidence that he may be a strong hold.
On 31 touches over the last three games he has gains of 60, 45 & that 37 yard monster. He has scored three TDs, two of which were at the goal line and he has been used regularly in the passing game. Injury concerns or not you shouldn't make a move until after the season at the earliest and probably best served if you wait until after the draft.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I am eyeing up that week 16 Giants matchup. Might be a league winner for teams who get to the championship game
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Forget week 16...If Cousins gets me what I need tonight and I make the playoffs, I am very strongly considering marching Guice out there instead of Kamara (CMC is my #1 rb). I'm sick of hearing about Kamara's upside. Please talk me off the ledge.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
For this year ROS, do we actually think they start giving Guice the reins a little more?
I don't think so -- even with the argument that they need to see what they have in Guice as a featured back, I don't see why from both a risk and potential impact standpoint the team doesn't simply continue to split carries between Guice and ADP.
Add a healthy Chris Thompson back into the mix, and despite a good match up or two down the stretch, and despite his obvious talent, I am not sure Guice has the volume to trust as a flex option in the playoffs this year.
I don't think so -- even with the argument that they need to see what they have in Guice as a featured back, I don't see why from both a risk and potential impact standpoint the team doesn't simply continue to split carries between Guice and ADP.
Add a healthy Chris Thompson back into the mix, and despite a good match up or two down the stretch, and despite his obvious talent, I am not sure Guice has the volume to trust as a flex option in the playoffs this year.
Agreed on all fronts. As long as ADP is productive and healthy there is no compelling reason to kick him to the curb. 13/99/1 is pretty productive.
Plus Callahan is auditioning for the HC job...he'll field whatever team he thinks is going to get him the "W"...not just to get guys on tape.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I wish I knew how that committee was going to work. I don't think Guice becomes the feature back. Doesn't seem worth the ris for the Redskins. Add Thompson to the mix and Guice is probably getting 35-40% of the touches IMO.
mozzy84
Footballguy
I have both and it has never even crossed my mind to bench Kamara (zeke is my #2). He just came off back to back 20 point weeks.
That said I’ll probably start Guice in my redraft league next week over the Steelers scrubs I’ve been starting.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
How do you define explosive? Rush yards after hand-off on a given play (e.g. longest run)?
I don't think using Guice's 60 yard rip as a yardstick is fair as that is a truly rare event.
But just last week, a bunch of starting backs had really solid longs of ~25+ yards -- Kamara (24), Singletary (26), Elliott (30), Henry (34), Jacobs (35) -- and while I didn't look up their previous weeks, I imagine a few of them had similar rips over the last few games.
Love the explosion I see from Guice, but I don't think he's unique or even an outlier in this regard.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I am giving very serious thought to riding him throughout the playoffs. The positives are undeniable. Since firing dumb #### Gruden the Redskins are balanced (if not heavy run lean) offense. The defense is starting to play better (which should result in better time of possession) And Guice has fresh legs and is showing a lot of juice. As previously mentioned, he also is getting all the goal line carries and it seems they are quick to throw to him out of the backfield (and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think he's had a single drop has he?) In PPR leagues I honestly believe he's on his way to being a #1 RB. And assuming AP does ride off into the sunset, I think you've got all the makings of a top 10 RB, or better. And I have noticed people are grilling Haskins in his thread but I think that's absurd. He barely played in college. He has shown massive improvement IMO, and he's only had a handful of starts. So as he improves, the offense will improve. They will obviously address the left tackle position this offseason and that too will help. I am glad I own him in about 5 dynasty leagues and I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a top 2 or 3 pick, and I won't be even shopping him for that. The situation just looks too good. And good lord, the NFC East defense are awful, always a plus there too.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Agreed. He and Reed won't be with the team in a few months. Its Guice and AP from here on out, and I hope more and more carries for Guice.
Yup. Thompson will have no effect whatsoever.
Week 13 snap counts:
A. Peterson - 23 (36%)
C. Thompson - 23 (36%)
D. Guice - 19 - (30%)
ffmail4me
Footballguy
and how productive was Thompson compared to Guice and AP? I am pretty sure coaches review tape. Plus I was talking about long term too. Thompson will NOT be resigned. He and Reed have collected paychecks while injured for the majority of their careers in DC
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Chaka
Footballguy
Guice had 31% in week 11 & 41% in week 12. He had 9, 11 & 13 rushes+targets.
He has put up 244 yards and 3 TDs.
In week 13 Thompson had 5 opportunities (his season low) for 29 yards. And, Guice had his season high in opportunities with impressive results.
No, I don't expect Thompson's presence to have any impact in Guice. If anything Guice is going to impact Thompson's opportunities.
Thompson got most of his Wk 13 opportunities in the 2-min drill right before halftime. If the Redskins get significantly behind there's easily a scenario where Thompson gets a disproportionate share.
You seem to think Guice will continue to put up huge numbers ROS even though there is likely to be a pretty firm ceiling on his touches. Ok.
Chaka
Footballguy
Oh goodness no. I never said that or anything close to that. I was very clear that I think he is a 10-13 opportunity guy, who can be explosive and gets GL opps, which makes him a flex play RoS.PhantomJB said:
But he can easily put up a 7 for 23 game just like many other 10-13 opportunity guys. The difference is Guice has shown more upside than most of the other guys that I think you could plug in at this stage of the season.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I don't know about disproportionate share but agree with the general take.PhantomJB said:
Tompson won't impact Guice at all from a rush attempt standpoint. But it may still be that Guice may lose looks in the passing game in game script situations where WAS gets behind and they need to throw to keep up. Thompson is a proven vet in passing downs and his pass pro is serviceable.
That said, Guice definitely looks to be a hold through the season, with the only cap on value, and what hesitates me from starting him, is that his volume is capped. ADP isn't going away.
This next game will be interesting to see if they do give Guice more of the lion's share of carries, which would change my opinion of his startability through the playoffs considerably.
Chaka
Footballguy
RoS what looks is Guice losing in the passing game? He's getting two targets per game, I doubt that changes under any game script. Peterson is the biggest threat to Guice's touches, not Thompson. And Peterson has been virtually splitting opportunities 50:50 with Guice over the last three games.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
by the looks of it, he seemed to tear something again.
That one guy
Footballguy
Dang...sad
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Looks explosive when healthy but those days rarely happen. Can't imagine any team could count Guice as their starting RB.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Thought it was already decided he was out 2-4 weeks? Must have been an assumption that I heard somewhere. Droppable in redraft.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
I thought I was lucky to find him and Penny on my waiver wire last week...
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I thought Guice was going to solidify my thin RB Corp too. That was over quickly and it's time to go fishing again.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I figure that's the case but it would be good to get more confirmation out of today's MRI. WAS plays the Giants this year and that could be a solid match up if a miracle happens and he can recover and play. Grade 1 sprains are way less onerous than grade 2 tears.
That said, it looked bad. Was Darnell Savage penalized or fined for that? Seemed like an intentional and highly dangerous chop block that wasn't anywhere near the legal zone (along LOS and within 3-4 yards of where the ball is snapped).
irish eyes
Footballguy
Derrius Plexiguice, he will be out of the league within 2 years.
joey
Footballguy
Why not just be really really safe and hold him out til 2021 to regain his strength. I guess one of my 2 IR slots in dynasty is already spoken for next year.
