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RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

Hankmoody said:
Cheap depth/insurance.  Guice could very possibly require a long-ish ramp up period based on his recovery process and this just gives them another body to put out there if they need to.    $4M is Theo Riddick/James White money, it's less than Gio Bernard and Duke Johnson money.  It's just the cost of having a veteran RB on your roster.
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AP isn't the backup type. Didn't work out too well in NO. I hear you guys about them signing a vet as insurance, but this isn't just any vet. I think Guice will be ok, but I don't think he has much value until 2020.

 
Jello_Biafra said:
AP isn't the backup type. Didn't work out too well in NO. I hear you guys about them signing a vet as insurance, but this isn't just any vet. I think Guice will be ok, but I don't think he has much value until 2020.
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AP was #3 in the NO order while he's #2 to spell Guice and ease his workload til he's fully recovered.  Big difference in situations.  

 
Drezden said:
How do you value Guice vs this year class ? Would you trade him for 1.02 for example ..
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No. He would be RB1 in this class. 1.2 is Jacobs, and while he likely goes to PHI I'm not sure I'd rather have him. Less questionmarks with Guice (and I'm including his knee).

I'd strongly consider 1.2 in 2020

This RB class strongly concerns me, which is why I just traded 1.1 and 1.2. 

I'm hoping a particular RB falls to 1.7

 
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King of the Jungle said:
Could also depend on the surrounding cast. Washington’s offense is not scaring anyone with its current cast.
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:goodposting:

Unless something big happens at the WR position there that offense looks terrible. 

BigSteelThrill said:
David Johnson and James Conner were on the bottom 2 rush offenses last year.  In non-ppr they were #10 and #6. Arizona was the worst O in the entire league.
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Those guys are big pass catchers. While I think Guice will be great at that role some day, the Skins love Chris Thompson there now. 

 
James Conner wasnt considered a big pass catcher at all. He was an anti-pass catcher by most evals prior to last season.  And that was NON-PPR.

 
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Dr. Dan said:
No. He would be RB1 in this class. 1.2 is Jacobs, and while he likely goes to PHI I'm not sure I'd rather have him. Less questionmarks with Guice (and I'm including his knee).

I'd strongly consider 1.2 in 2020

This RB class strongly concerns me, which is why I just traded 1.1 and 1.2. 

I'm hoping a particular RB falls to 1.7
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That offense scares me. Keenum with that wr core? It’s gonna be tough for him.

 
I'm a Guice fan over the long run and bringing back AP is only gonna help him become a better pro.

That said, he's going to lose a lot of snaps, carries, and receptions to AP, Thompson, and his recovery from injury.  Not to mention our offense is going to be bottom 1/3rd next year.

 
Dr. Dan said:
imo they wont go into the season with the WRs they have. 

I think Guice gets a lot of receptions in this offense
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I hope you're right but Guice didn't get a lot of receptions in college so it remains to be seen if he's capable.

 
-OZ- said:
I hope you're right but Guice didn't get a lot of receptions in college so it remains to be seen if he's capable.
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IIRC, the scouting reports I read said that his technique looked good, both in the limited college usage and in the combine drills. Then there were reports out of Washington's training camp that he had 3 down capability. So while we haven't seen him do it in the NFL yet, I feel pretty confident he's capable. 

 
FF Ninja said:
IIRC, the scouting reports I read said that his technique looked good, both in the limited college usage and in the combine drills. Then there were reports out of Washington's training camp that he had 3 down capability. So while we haven't seen him do it in the NFL yet, I feel pretty confident he's capable. 
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We haven't seen him do anything in the NFL. My concern is that we didn't see it in college either.  Most receptions he had in a year was 18. Granted, that doesn't mean he can't do it, but he's highly unlikely to be McCaffery or Kamara type.  Most I'll expect is a handful of receptions a game, probably under 40 for the season. Still good enough. 

 
-OZ- said:
We haven't seen him do anything in the NFL. My concern is that we didn't see it in college either.  Most receptions he had in a year was 18. Granted, that doesn't mean he can't do it, but he's highly unlikely to be McCaffery or Kamara type.  Most I'll expect is a handful of receptions a game, probably under 40 for the season. Still good enough. 
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Right, but that doesn't mean his limited college usage can't be analyzed or that his combine drills mean nothing or that we should ignore the training camp takeaways. 

Just because a college team chose not to utilize his skills doesn't mean the skills aren't there or that future NFL organizations will make that same choice. 

Guice's teammate, Fournette, maxed out at 19 receptions in college and had 48 receptions in 13 games as a rookie. LSU just didn't use those guys like that.

I'll never understand why people conflate usage with talent. Carlos Hyde had 59 receptions in 2017, but that doesn't make him a good receiver. He's actually quite bad in that phase of the game. Mark Ingram had 24 receptions through his first 3 seasons, but he's actually quite adept in the passing game. 

 
-OZ- said:
We haven't seen him do anything in the NFL. My concern is that we didn't see it in college either.  Most receptions he had in a year was 18. Granted, that doesn't mean he can't do it, but he's highly unlikely to be McCaffery or Kamara type.  Most I'll expect is a handful of receptions a game, probably under 40 for the season. Still good enough. 
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Those SEC schools never seem to throw to their RBs much - not sure why. It seems almost every back (with a few exceptions) has concerns due to lack of usage in passing game.

 
I can tell you from following the team closely that at the very least, the coaching staff is convinced he is fully capable in the passing game and doesn't need to come off the field on 3rd downs.

They also love some Chris Thompson though when he's healthy, which isn't all that often.

 
Sebowski said:
I really hope not. I love the guy, but without a QB we can't afford a WR that age. 
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Agreed. The OBJ trade makes sense for Cleveland because they have a good QB in place to support. By the time Washington gets their QB situation under control, Green will be at the end of his career. Washington needs to just suck it up, realize they are in bad shape and manage their assets to maximize the future. 

 
My outlook for Guice. Slow out of the gate, probably not someone you want in your lineup for first few weeks of the season at least, maybe more into halfway point area of season.  Role should grow as the season goes on especially considering CT's ability to stay healthy and AP being 34.  I got him as a solid RB2 in the back half of the season and a full on breakout coming in 2020.  He's still 21, turns 22 right before camp opens. Be patient, some things are worth waiting for.

Also he can catch and not just in a dump off type capacity. Video's I've seen of him running routes is impressive, was one of reasons he was getting buzz early in camp last year and Gruden has said already he does not need to come off the field on third downs and if something should happen to CT he probably won't.

As for Washington WR's. One of their beat writers I followed said two days ago  he'd hard a lot of buzz about them acquiring a big time WR via trade. Yesterday Jay Gruden was asked if there was any news to update on them obtaining a WR and he replied "maybe". Other then AJG was hard to come up with another team willing to give up a buzz worthy WR in a trade. I thought about Diggs but would Minnesota do that and leave themselves with Thielen and about nothing else?

 
LSU has been so historically awful at passing to their RBs that I don’t think we can a lot from low college production in that particular situation, one way or the other.

 
menobrown said:
My outlook for Guice. Slow out of the gate, probably not someone you want in your lineup for first few weeks of the season at least, maybe more into halfway point area of season.  Role should grow as the season goes on especially considering CT's ability to stay healthy and AP being 34.  I got him as a solid RB2 in the back half of the season and a full on breakout coming in 2020.  He's still 21, turns 22 right before camp opens. Be patient, some things are worth waiting for.

Also he can catch and not just in a dump off type capacity. Video's I've seen of him running routes is impressive, was one of reasons he was getting buzz early in camp last year and Gruden has said already he does not need to come off the field on third downs and if something should happen to CT he probably won't.

As for Washington WR's. One of their beat writers I followed said two days ago  he'd hard a lot of buzz about them acquiring a big time WR via trade. Yesterday Jay Gruden was asked if there was any news to update on them obtaining a WR and he replied "maybe". Other then AJG was hard to come up with another team willing to give up a buzz worthy WR in a trade. I thought about Diggs but would Minnesota do that and leave themselves with Thielen and about nothing else?
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Nailed it.

Green is a good guess.  Gruden is familiar with him from Cincy and I'm sure would be thrilled to have him.

As to why we'd do it?  Because the need to make a splash to generate interest from the local market.  The apathy has never ever been this bad.  The whole reason we signed Landon Collins was so we could talk about Sean Taylor for the next three years, just like with Swearinger.  And Snyder didn't waste a moment- presented him with a game work, signed #21 jersey on his first day.  OF COURSE that's all anyone is talking about on the airwaves here in DC.

It is painfully obvious to me this team has put winning behind saving the fanbase, which is about as stupid as it gets because all the fans want is a GD winner.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Why on earth would the skins trade for a big time wr? They are so far away from contending.....oh wait its the skins....nevermind
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Some teams can't get out of their own way. A team heading into the season with a QB competition between Case Keenum and Colt McCoy (in a stacked conference) should not be giving away picks for the right to pay a 31 year old WR big bucks. Of course Snyder will do it if he can though.

 
FF Ninja said:
Right, but that doesn't mean his limited college usage can't be analyzed or that his combine drills mean nothing or that we should ignore the training camp takeaways. 

Just because a college team chose not to utilize his skills doesn't mean the skills aren't there or that future NFL organizations will make that same choice. 

Guice's teammate, Fournette, maxed out at 19 receptions in college and had 48 receptions in 13 games as a rookie. LSU just didn't use those guys like that.

I'll never understand why people conflate usage with talent. Carlos Hyde had 59 receptions in 2017, but that doesn't make him a good receiver. He's actually quite bad in that phase of the game. Mark Ingram had 24 receptions through his first 3 seasons, but he's actually quite adept in the passing game. 
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Maybe it's "conflating", but usually until I see something actually happen, I have a small (sometimes larger) concern / risk that it might not. 

Then there's Chris Thompson, whom we know is a pretty good receiving back. 

Dr. Octopus said:
Those SEC schools never seem to throw to their RBs much - not sure why. It seems almost every back (with a few exceptions) has concerns due to lack of usage in passing game.
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There's truth in this statement.  

 
-OZ- said:
I hope you're right but Guice didn't get a lot of receptions in college so it remains to be seen if he's capable.
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You have heard the HC say that Guice surprised them with his receiving ability right?

He has said this a few times now.

We haven't seen it yet, but the coach has.

Doesn't mean Thompson won't dominate that role still. 

 
Biabreakable said:
You have heard the HC say that Guice surprised them with his receiving ability right?

He has said this a few times now.

We haven't seen it yet, but the coach has.

Doesn't mean Thompson won't dominate that role still. 
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Coaches say a lot of things, some of which are accurate. Some of those accurate statements pan out in real games.

FWIW, I traded for Guice a few weeks ago, drafted him in wsl.  I like the guy's talent. I'm just trying to keep my own expectations in check.

 
Gruden was quoted a few weeks ago saying that Guice is a 3 down back and won't come off the field in 3rd downs. Take it for coachspeak, but there were a lot of similar comments after OTA's and in the pre-season.

Thompson is in the last year of his contract extension and turns 29 this year so I don't see him as a threat to steal catches for much longer. Peterson was never known as much of a pass-catcher either.

 
Buckna said:
Gruden was quoted a few weeks ago saying that Guice is a 3 down back and won't come off the field in 3rd downs. Take it for coachspeak, but there were a lot of similar comments after OTA's and in the pre-season.

Thompson is in the last year of his contract extension and turns 29 this year so I don't see him as a threat to steal catches for much longer. Peterson was never known as much of a pass-catcher either.
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He said he doesn't NEED to come off on 3rd down.  Big difference.

When Thompson is healthy he's one of the best 3rd down backs in the league.  Gruden loves him and he'll have a role for as long as his body holds up.

That said, they have confidence in Guice as a 3 down back which is great for future interests.

 
Buckna said:
Gruden was quoted a few weeks ago saying that Guice is a 3 down back and won't come off the field in 3rd downs. Take it for coachspeak, but there were a lot of similar comments after OTA's and in the pre-season.

Thompson is in the last year of his contract extension and turns 29 this year so I don't see him as a threat to steal catches for much longer. Peterson was never known as much of a pass-catcher either.
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Wow had no idea Thompson was so old (in RB terms)

 
-OZ- said:
Coaches say a lot of things, some of which are accurate. Some of those accurate statements pan out in real games.

FWIW, I traded for Guice a few weeks ago, drafted him in wsl.  I like the guy's talent. I'm just trying to keep my own expectations in check.
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Yep.

Just saying he may be capable of doing that as well according to the coaches.

For this year it is looking like he will start slow with Peterson starting early on. Thompson will likely get the most targets in the passing game.

If Guice is getting all of the 1st and 2nd down work I can see him having 20-30 receptions. If he doesn't start until mid way through the season then perhaps fewer than that.

If Thompson gets hurt again though then I think Guice could see more targets then.

 
Biabreakable said:
Yep.

Just saying he may be capable of doing that as well according to the coaches.

For this year it is looking like he will start slow with Peterson starting early on. Thompson will likely get the most targets in the passing game.

If Guice is getting all of the 1st and 2nd down work I can see him having 20-30 receptions. If he doesn't start until mid way through the season then perhaps fewer than that.

If Thompson gets hurt again though then I think Guice could see more targets then.
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This is reasonable. I think Washington may take the approach the Vikings took once they realized Cook wasnt ready, but it was already too late. Guice will be a great buy low after a few weeks into the season 

 
menobrown said:
I thought about Diggs but would Minnesota do that and leave themselves with Thielen and about nothing else?
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Stefon Diggs' brother, Trevon Diggs, posted a cryptic Instagram photo of the Vikings wideout in a Redskins uniform.

Bogus, non-story on Diggs apparently.

 
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Redskins coach Jay Gruden expects Derrius Guice (knee) to be a full-go for training camp.

Guice suffered several setbacks after tearing his ACL last preseason, raising concerns about his availability for the start of 2019. All recent news has been positive, however, and Gruden even expects him to get in some work during OTAs. Washington did bring back Adrian Peterson, but Guice should get every shot to earn the lead job if he is healthy.

SOURCE: Tarik El-Bashir on Twitter

Mar 26, 2019, 10:01 AM
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VIDEO GUICE AGILITY

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Not even 8 months removed from ACL tear and Guice is out hear doing legit agility work. Been a joy to see this drive and determination all the way.

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