RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (2 Viewers)

[Interseptopus]

if it's his other ACL it further goes to support the research studies I've parroted in here that a non contact acl injury often results in the other side also tearing post op.

It also further emphasizes that we are bringing these guys back way too soon. he had a set back, and I would start his recovery based on whenever he resumed a normal ACL recovery protocol (probably 2 or 3 months after.l his first surgery). What these guys typically do, coming back so early, is they subconsciously shift weight to the contralateral knee, because their operative knee is not as strong. This results in contralateral injury. 

 

[Interseptopus]

trying to sell while I can on this guy

 

[fruity pebbles]

Feel for this kid. RB windows are short. His career may be over before it even begins.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This page is a whirlwind of “I told you so’s” and “oh #### he hurt his other knee!” head desk. 

Crazy to read through it. 

Redskins seem to be horrible at handling injuries. They keep running Reed out there after 137 concussions, then with their prized RB coming off knee surgery they healthy scratch AP & decide to give Guice all the carries he can possibly get.

i mean, jeez...you’ve got AP & you’re not likely a playoff team this year. Maybe work him back in gingerly? That’s an idea anyway.

i hope Guice avoided serious injury - seems like a good kid & this is a rough start to his NFL career.

 

[Cobbler1]

Sucks. Did anyone see the actual injury occur? I got an alert saying he went in the medical tent but then he played again. Was there a second injury? Because if it was just the first and he came back in, I’d think it isn’t major.

 

[matttyl]

Early news is out a few weeks with a meniscus injury.  That's best case, IMO.  Feel bad for the kid.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports Derrius Guice is dealing with a meniscus injury.

Guice hopes to return in a "few weeks." That's likely a best-case scenario, but there should be more clarity when the results of his MRI are known. Adrian Peterson will be active Sunday and should take over for Guice as Washington's lead back. Chris Thompson will remain in a passing down role.

SOURCE: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter

Sep 9, 2019, 4:34 PM ET

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Grant Paulsen‏Verified account @granthpaulsen

Clinton Portis says Derrius Guice ran 7 different runs in his 10 carries. Says that shouldn't happen. #Redskins should simplify things. "You don't have to have a million plays going into the game." Says Guice will be better served running his favorite couple plays more often.

8:11 AM - 9 Sep 2019

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Mark Bullock‏Verified account @MarkBullockNFL 5h5 hours ago

Other ways to keep defenses off balance though. Shanahan's used to aim for 12-15 wide zones and 8-10 tight zones a game, and they'd just disguise it with a bunch of formation variations. Teams knew what was coming, but couldn't defend it because OL were zone specialists

Mark Bullock‏Verified account @MarkBullockNFL 5h5 hours ago

Oh yeah, for sure, Gruden loves to run everything. Remember a presser from years ago when he said "I haven't seen a play that I don't like". Speaks for itself.

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[BigTex]

Grant Paulsen‏Verified account @granthpaulsen

Clinton Portis says Derrius Guice ran 7 different runs in his 10 carries. Says that shouldn't happen. #Redskins should simplify things. "You don't have to have a million plays going into the game." Says Guice will be better served running his favorite couple plays more often.

8:11 AM - 9 Sep 2019

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Mark Bullock‏Verified account @MarkBullockNFL 5h5 hours ago

Other ways to keep defenses off balance though. Shanahan's used to aim for 12-15 wide zones and 8-10 tight zones a game, and they'd just disguise it with a bunch of formation variations. Teams knew what was coming, but couldn't defend it because OL were zone specialists

Mark Bullock‏Verified account @MarkBullockNFL 5h5 hours ago

Oh yeah, for sure, Gruden loves to run everything. Remember a presser from years ago when he said "I haven't seen a play that I don't like". Speaks for itself.

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Portis is on point, having a coaching staff that understand the importance of familiarity being vital to a young players development. There are many examples but Goff has to be the biggest in recent memory.

Tex

 

[ConnSKINS26]

He better pray he doesn't need surgery considering he will get the inevitable Redskins medical STAPH problems.

Wasn't this Tampa Bay? Like a decade ago? Weird post

 

[bostonfred]

Wasn't this Tampa Bay? Like a decade ago? Weird post

I thought it war Cleveland

 

[SCT]

Wasn't this Tampa Bay? Like a decade ago? Weird post

Redskins players have had to get multiple surgeries for same injury recently and have had multiple infections of said surgeries.  Surprised you didn’t know about this.  Colt McCoy is one.   Guice was another already.  

 

[SCT]

Alex Smith was another one.  

https://thefandc.radio.com/redskins-training-staff-focus-colt-mccoy-injury-news

 

[Fear The Turtle]

Redskins players have had to get multiple surgeries for same injury recently and have had multiple infections of said surgeries.  Surprised you didn’t know about this.  Colt McCoy is one.   Guice was another already.  

Don't know about the other Skins but Guice's surgery was performed by Dr. James Andrews, unless I'm mistaken. He, of course, performs surgery on many players from many teams.

 

[matttyl]

Don't know about the other Skins but Guice's surgery was performed by Dr. James Andrews, unless I'm mistaken. He, of course, performs surgery on many players from many teams.

He's the Redskins team doctor. 

 

[SCT]

He's the Redskins team doctor. 

That's all well and good but it doesn't change the facts.

 

[SCT]

"Perhaps more troubling is the continued injury trend in Washington. Derrius Guice had multiple setbacks and still isn’t cleared. McCoy has these setbacks now and Trent Williams is holding out in part after a fallout from a scary offseason operation."

"Smith suffered a compound leg fracture in which he broke his fibula and tibia in a Week 11 loss against the Houston Texans on Nov. 18. Then, one month later, reports surfaced that Smith was in the hospital, dealing with an infection he sustained shortly after the surgery was performed to repair the injured leg."

"Washington Redskins rookie running back Derrius Guice suffered a torn ACL in the preseason that forced him off the field for the entire 2018 campaign.Per Kareem Copeland of the Washington Post, Guice's rehab "included an infection that delayed his recovery and "required three additional procedures."Copeland provided more information on the secondary issues, noting that the procedures were done "to address the infected tissue, prompting seven weeks of heavy rounds of antibiotics through a catheter in his arm."There was a period of getting IVs three times a day, for three hours. His knee would swell up, giving him a burning sensation, and he came down with flu-like symptoms when the infection was first detected and an orange, cloudy fluid needed to be drained from the joint."

Alex Smith, multiple surgeries and infections.   Colt McCoy, multiple surgeries for same injury.  Guice, multilple surgeries and infections.  Williams, doesn't want to play for them because he's afraid of their medical staff.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Redskins players have had to get multiple surgeries for same injury recently and have had multiple infections of said surgeries.  Surprised you didn’t know about this.  Colt McCoy is one.   Guice was another already.  

Of course I know. You specifically made a staph infection joke which happened years ago and wasn't Washington. That's a whole different thing from infections that happen after surgery, which sucks but is way more common, especially with compound fractures like with Alex Smith. It happened to Gronk a few years ago too.

Trust me, I'm not defending this medical staff. But all our ACL/MCL type surgeries are done by world-renowned and NFL-superstar Dr. Andrews, who also happens to be on hand on lots of game days (same for Alabama). 

I was only commenting on your staph infection joke.

 

[SCT]

Of course I know. You specifically made a staph infection joke which happened years ago and wasn't Washington. That's a whole different thing from infections that happen after surgery, which sucks but is way more common, especially with compound fractures like with Alex Smith. It happened to Gronk a few years ago too.

Trust me, I'm not defending this medical staff. But all our ACL/MCL type surgeries are done by world-renowned and NFL-superstar Dr. Andrews, who also happens to be on hand on lots of game days (same for Alabama). 

I was only commenting on your staph infection joke.

Gotcha just a play on words on medical staff.

 

[matttyl]

That's all well and good but it doesn't change the facts.

You realize I was backing up your own statements, right?

 

[matttyl]

Of course I know. You specifically made a staph infection joke which happened years ago and wasn't Washington. That's a whole different thing from infections that happen after surgery, which sucks but is way more common, especially with compound fractures like with Alex Smith. It happened to Gronk a few years ago too.

Trust me, I'm not defending this medical staff. But all our ACL/MCL type surgeries are done by world-renowned and NFL-superstar Dr. Andrews, who also happens to be on hand on lots of game days (same for Alabama). 

I was only commenting on your staph infection joke.

Because he's the Redskins team doctor. 

 

[boilerdave]

I'm considering dropping him in attempt to get Malcolm Brown. We can only carry 4 RBs and must start 2.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Because he's the Redskins team doctor. 

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. That even on game day there is a reputable doctor that the league loves on hand. 

Meaning, Washington's player health issues imo are more on the hands of the training staff--minor injuries become major injuries, guys come back too soon or are pressured to, etc. Not due to botched surgeries--that's the doctors on the medical staff, who are well thought of in the league. Those are two separate entities with different jobs that both involve player health.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

world-renowned and NFL-superstar Dr. Andrews, who also happens to be on hand on lots of game days (same for Alabama). 

Is it possible he’s lost his touch? Maybe he’s slipping and not cleaning things up properly. Last time I saw Dr Andrews was when he was running out of the outhouse with RGIII and he looked like he was well past his prime. 

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is it possible he’s lost his touch? Maybe he’s slipping and not cleaning things up properly. Last time I saw Dr Andrews was when he was running out of the outhouse with RGIII and he looked like he was well past his prime. 

I always wonder that with old surgeons, and old doctors in general. I read once that they apparently get younger, also accomplished understudies to be their "hands". I don't know if that's the case with him. He seems to still get tapped to do all the biggest ACL repairs.

 

[SCT]

You realize I was backing up your own statements, right?

My bad, i took it as "James Andrews is their team doctor and he's beyond reproach".

 

[Faust]

Redskins coach Jay Gruden said "there is no update" on Derrius Guice (knee).

Guice is fully expected to miss a "few weeks" while dealing with a meniscus injury and "getting checked out." Gruden also went on to name Adrian Peterson the starter only a few short days after ironically making the claim he'd activate the veteran only if Washington has "a game where we think we can run the ball 55 times in a game in I-Formation." Chris Thompson (7/68 receiving Week 1) still holds more fantasy value than the future first-ballot Hall of Famer.

SOURCE: John Keim on Twitter

Sep 11, 2019, 2:56 PM ET

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported that RB Derrius Guice is expected to be sidelined six-to-eight weeks in the likely event that he undergoes surgery to repair his torn meniscus.

Guice is in Florida today to meet with Dr. James Andrews and get a second opinion on his torn meniscus. Schefter noted that, "In the likely event that Guice decides to undergo surgery, he would be expected to be sidelined six to eight weeks." This is a longer timeline than initially thought, as Guice stated he was expected to miss a "few weeks." The Redskins will move forward with Adrian Peterson as their early-down grinder with Chris Thompson taking the majority of snaps on pass downs and in two-minute situations.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter.

Sep 12, 2019, 8:50 AM ET

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Should just change the name of this topic to “Derrius Guice, medical report”

6-8 weeks - brutal. AP a bargain in most drafts. 

 

[Interseptopus]

surgery today. I would expect a minimum of 4 weeks. 8 is a bit obnoxious IMO

I'm glad he had this. this season would have been a waste if he didnt

 there is hope for a 2nd half push now. which isnt that what most here saw him as anyways prior to the season? 

 

[enyce]

surgery today. I would expect a minimum of 4 weeks. 8 is a bit obnoxious IMO

I'm glad he had this. this season would have been a waste if he didnt

 there is hope for a 2nd half push now. which isnt that what most here saw him as anyways prior to the season? 

i have my doubts about a 2nd half push that helps any fantasy teams.  in 4-8 weeks he will be physically able to take the field again with both knees having had recent surgery on.  there can't possibly be a reality where he gets enough carries to matter down the stretch.

 

[JoeJoe88]

surgery today. I would expect a minimum of 4 weeks. 8 is a bit obnoxious IMO

I'm glad he had this. this season would have been a waste if he didnt

 there is hope for a 2nd half push now. which isnt that what most here saw him as anyways prior to the season? 

Ehh, I’m starting to lose hope on the dude to be honest. I was really excited when he was named the starter and AP was a healthy scratch, only to be disappointed by him yet again. I didn’t start him, but you at least wanted to see something positive on tape at that point. I’m just glad I’m not a dynasty owner. I’d be trying to sell at this point, but I doubt it’s realistic you get anything close to what you could’ve got two weeks ago. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Out indefinitely. IR a real possibility. 8 weeks sounding like the minimum now.  

maybe Dr Death found more in there than expected. 

Derrius Guice underwent surgery to repair a torn meniscus Thursday morning.

Guice is recovering in Pensacola following Thursday's surgery, which was performed by team doctor James Andrews. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported Guice will be out "indefinitely" while also noting that Washington will "consider its options" in regards to a roster move, suggesting the sophomore back could be headed to injured reserve. Without him, the Redskins will turn to veteran Adrian Peterson on early downs with Chris Thompson filling in the gaps on passing downs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

surgery today. I would expect a minimum of 4 weeks. 8 is a bit obnoxious IMO

Perhaps you should have a word with Dr Andrews then. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

On another note, I find it a strangely compelling storyline that a team hired Dr Andrews to be their team doctor. 

Why would he take that gig? He was known as the best in the business. He had patients from every major sport. 

I guess it’s a smart move for the Redskins, but yeah - it’s a little weird. 

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Easy drop in redraft. 

 

[Interseptopus]

i have my doubts about a 2nd half push that helps any fantasy teams.  in 4-8 weeks he will be physically able to take the field again with both knees having had recent surgery on.  there can't possibly be a reality where he gets enough carries to matter down the stretch.

Ehh, I’m starting to lose hope on the dude to be honest. I was really excited when he was named the starter and AP was a healthy scratch, only to be disappointed by him yet again. I didn’t start him, but you at least wanted to see something positive on tape at that point. I’m just glad I’m not a dynasty owner. I’d be trying to sell at this point, but I doubt it’s realistic you get anything close to what you could’ve got two weeks ago. 

yeah, could be a wash. a meniscectomy is strictly a swelling and surgical incision healing issue. that goes down in 2-4 weeks. if he needs to be out longer it may be due to chondral work done at the same time, which that can take longer and needs to heal. That's why I say 8 weeks is obnoxious if it's just a meniscectomy. 

a meniscus repair takes 8 weeks. he didnt have that to my knowledge, but Fausts post above says that. I read meniscectomy earlier. pretty sure on sleeper it said shaving a tear.

In dynasty, at this point, you cant sell unless someone absolutely loves him, because his going rate is so low. 

In redraft I do think he has enough carries to matter week 8 on. 

 

[matttyl]

On another note, I find it a strangely compelling storyline that a team hired Dr Andrews to be their team doctor. 

Why would he take that gig? He was known as the best in the business. He had patients from every major sport. 

I guess it’s a smart move for the Redskins, but yeah - it’s a little weird. 

For the money.  The deal Andrews signed to be the Yankees head team doctor (in 2011) was a 10 year, $100m deal.  I can only assume the Redskins signed him to a similar deal. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For the money.  The deal Andrews signed to be the Yankees head team doctor (in 2011) was a 10 year, $100m deal.  I can only assume the Redskins signed him to a similar deal. 

omg. Yeah, good work if you can get it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

On another note, I find it a strangely compelling storyline that a team hired Dr Andrews to be their team doctor. 

Why would he take that gig? He was known as the best in the business. He had patients from every major sport. 

I guess it’s a smart move for the Redskins, but yeah - it’s a little weird. 

He's been the team doctor since before RG3. A decade probably. He doesn't work out of the facility or anything--it's gameday mostly. He's done it for Alabama as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's done it for Alabama as well.

Yeah, I knew he did it for the Yankees. 

Didn't know how much he was paid. 

Maybe he just likes the sideline view of the games.

I'm sure he’s a good dude,  but whenever I think of team doctors I always think of James Woods as the total scumbag old school team doctor in Any Given Sunday 

 

[BigTex]

Guice might end up a 2020 casualty.

Tex

 

[dcgangstas]

Poor kid.    Really feel bad for him; very humble and seems to love football.  

 

[matttyl]

omg. Yeah, good work if you can get it.

He owns a minor league baseball team.  He does well. 

 

[Interseptopus]

reading further this appears to be a meniscus repair. 8 weeks is appropriate. these surgeries arent as successful. ut they preserve the tissue to prevent arthritis earlier. 

At this point, as I read more, I'm hoping he ends the season well and generates a lot of offseason buzz so I can trade him away in my dynasty.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Meniscus tear: 

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) Washington Redskins running back Derrius Guice had right knee surgery that coach Jay Gruden called a ''minor procedure.''

Renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews performed the operation Thursday that has been reported to fix a torn meniscus. Guice was injured Sunday in a season-opening loss at Philadelphia when he rushed for just 18 yards on 10 carries and underwent an MRI the morning after.

Gruden says he isn't sure how long Guice might be out and no decision has been made on whether to place him on injured reserve.

Guice missed all last season after tearing the ACL in his left knee in an exhibition game in August 2018. Gruden praised Guice for coming back strong from the torn ACL and expects the same this time because it's not as major of a surgery.

With Guice out, Adrian Peterson is expected to start Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys. Peterson was inactive in Week 1.

 

[Anarchy99]

Redskins RB Derrius Guice (knee) was placed on the injured reserve list Friday.

Guice's season isn't necessarily over after undergoing surgery Thursday, but he'll be out for at least eight weeks. The Redskins will move forward with Adrian Peterson as their early-down grinder and Chris Thompson as the offense's pass-down back.

 

[tangfoot]

Guice might end up a 2020 casualty.

Tex

They should trade for Jerrick McKinnon. That way they will have one good leg between him, Guice and Bryce Love. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I thought Guice was underrated this offseason and bought a lot of shares, but man this is rough.  He now has 3 pretty major leg injuries and 2 trips to the IR alongside only 10 career carries.

There aren't many (any?) examples where I can think of guys who had two trips to the IR this quickly and came back to be strong fantasy assets.

 

[Interseptopus]

I thought Guice was underrated this offseason and bought a lot of shares, but man this is rough.  He now has 3 pretty major leg injuries and 2 trips to the IR alongside only 10 career carries.

There aren't many (any?) examples where I can think of guys who had two trips to the IR this quickly and came back to be strong fantasy assets.

Yeah this sucks. I cant sell him because I probably wouldnt even get a decent return. 

Wish it was a meniscectomy and not a repair. I'm not too excited about the long term outlook on a repair. IMO he will need another procedure at some point to trim the meniscus (meniscectomy). It doesnt heal well. Repairs arent real successful but it's better for long term. Must have been a pretty big tear and in a bad spot. That sucks. Put him up their with Melvin Gordon, Todd Gurley, and Sony Michel for me. Hate that I own him in my main dynasty lol, but glad I was unsuccessful in trading for him in a recent start up.