Chaka
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And, at RB the Bears have...?
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RB D'Onta Foreman, CLE (1 Viewer)
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LawFitz
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am a fan of Foreman. I did start this thread on him after all.
He isnt the prototype of RBs that I tend to prefer at all, but for a big RB I was actually impressed with his loose hips and change of direction ability as a prospect.
Sad about his injury and I am not sure if that has impaired his overall potential or not, but it is another thing that makes me root for his success.
Im certainly not saying he is a lot better than these other RB besides Kelly. Being better than Kelly is not hard.
As a Vikings fan I will be rooting against him in this game, but it would not surprise me if he does well with enough opportunity.
I do think Fields being a running threat adds another dimension to this match up that is favorable to whoever is the Bears RB in this game, that was not something the Vikings defense needed to account for in these other games as much besides the Eagles.
Heisenberg23
Footballguy
Redraft half PPR --- i have both Freeman and Ford as RB3 this week. Leaning on starting Freeman if Roschon Johnson out. As said by someone else, Ford vs 49ers without Watson is not appealing this week...
ZADO
Footballguy
He sheds tacklers like my cat sheds hair
ZADO
Footballguy
wow , i never knew that about his son, thats tragic and inspiring at the same time , takes a special person to keep a straight head after an event like that .
Former Texas running back and NFL draft prospect D'Onta Foreman says that he played through the pain of losing his infant son last season.
Foreman said his son, D'Onta Jr., was born prematurely in September and died seven weeks later on Nov. 5 due to an intestinal infection.
"I really didn't know how to feel," Foreman said in an interview with NFL Network. "I was like numb. I felt like something was taken away from me before I had a chance to experience it."
If he didnt tear his Achilles who knows how he would have done .
Chaka
Footballguy
I pretty much agree across the board.
I am a big fan of Foreman, have been since college. I don't think he'll ever bee the RB he could have been he has still been damn good when given opportunity. I have said as much in this thread multiple times over the years.
But Miles Sanders has been a very good RB in this league and Pacheco very much seems to be on the rise. I can't say that Foreman is better than those guys.
I don't think the Vikings run D is special but if their offense puts pressure on a suspect Bears defense that can mitigate the boost the run game gets from having a mobile QB like Fields.
The most important factor in favor of Foreman is Roschon did not practice today. If he gets 18-20 opportunities he should produce.
In 2021 & 2022 Foreman had 15 or more carries ten times, he broke 100 yards eight times with a TD in four of those games (6 TD total). He had 226 carries for 1,136 yards (5 ypc).
His downside is he isn't used much as a receiver. He had 7 receptions for 73 yards in those 10 games. But the Bears throw to RBs ~7 times/game and they don't have much else if Roschon is out so he might get a few opportunities to catch the ball.
He's definitely worth picking up this week. If he shines he may be a hold, at least until Khalil comes back.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Roschon misses practice again today.
Someone in another injury thread pointed out that zero players have returned to action this season the week after getting concussed. May or may not be coincidence. Beyond that, RJ logging two DNP's to open this week makes it seem decently likely that Raging Bull will have the backfield to himself this weekend at home against a 1-4 Vikings team that just lost their best player for the foreseeable future. Oh, and there's a ~50% chance of rain with 17 MPH winds. The table is setting up quite nicely here.
Someone in another injury thread pointed out that zero players have returned to action this season the week after getting concussed. May or may not be coincidence. Beyond that, RJ logging two DNP's to open this week makes it seem decently likely that Raging Bull will have the backfield to himself this weekend at home against a 1-4 Vikings team that just lost their best player for the foreseeable future. Oh, and there's a ~50% chance of rain with 17 MPH winds. The table is setting up quite nicely here.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I can and do. I also think despite what the Bears' coaches have indicated with their opening-season depth chart, that Foreman is better than Herbert. And I am a fan of Herbert. Foreman's main issue is he not only wears defenses down, but himself as well over larger sample sizes. He's just too violent a runner to be relied upon for longer stretches. But for a few games each season when he gets his chance - and until he starts to break - dude is a straight beast.
Chaka
Footballguy
I appreciate your opinion but it's a pretty bold statement and it doesn't really track with the metrics.
But you make a good point vis-a-vis long term vs short term. For one game, I might take Foreman over the other two, for a season IDK.
rockaction
Footballguy
Foreman is a straight baller. Always has been when given the opportunity, which he really hasn't been given since his Achilles tendon. Even in advanced metrics, like RYOE (rushing yards over expectation). He ran well for Tennessee. Ran well for Carolina. I've got him over Sanders this week. If Chicago gives him the opportunity, I expect a decent day.
Right now he's a better play than Sanders because Sanders is essentially splitting time with Hubbard and Foreman is likely to have the backfield to himself if Johnson misses the game this weekend. Fire him up!
And I'm not just saying that as a fan or ironically. I really mean I think he'll have a good showing if they let him.
Right now he's a better play than Sanders because Sanders is essentially splitting time with Hubbard and Foreman is likely to have the backfield to himself if Johnson misses the game this weekend. Fire him up!
And I'm not just saying that as a fan or ironically. I really mean I think he'll have a good showing if they let him.
GibbsFreeEnergy
Footballguy
Flex if you’re slenderman with 10” guns
FairWarning
Footballguy
As of now, I’m starting Foreman over Spears and J Wilson this week.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
He's fresh as a daisy and hungry as a bear. Starting with confidence.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Foreman is way underrated. Still don’t see how the Bears can justify making him a healthy scratch. Why? Because Roschon trucked somebody in week 1? Give me a break.
I realize Foreman doesn’t play STs, but it’s not like Herbert & Roschon are difference-makers.
I realize Foreman doesn’t play STs, but it’s not like Herbert & Roschon are difference-makers.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Last season with the Panthers, Foreman averaged 119.7 rushing yards in the six games in which he logged at least 15 rushing attempts.
2023-10-12
Ben Cummins
Roschon Johnson didn’t practice again today and is trending toward being out with a concussion.
It’s time to get excited about Week 6 workhorse D’Onta Foreman
Foreman was very good last year w/ Panthers
6th in RYOE/ATT (0.78)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Should I bench Breece Hall?
Marginally more serious Q:
Would you start him in the Flex over Jordan Addison in full PPR?
WhateverDavid
Footballguy
Same struggle here, and it got more difficult when I was able to grab Hubbard and saw that PHI ruled Jalen Carter out…
Foreman does have the capability to be an absolute monster. Ugh…
LawFitz
Footballguy
I would, but you shouldn't unless you would too.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
My default is “which decision gives me more angst? That’s not the one.”
Thanks brother man.
I'd have a hard time starting him over Addison.
I'm trying to decide Foreman vs. D. Pierce.
HW_53
Footballguy
Probably running him out there over Barkley with 3 OL and starting QB out, plus the late start - could be a late scratch.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Old school STD league , highly consisting him over Rhamondre AND Taylor this week.
His path to a TD seems easier than the both of them.
His path to a TD seems easier than the both of them.
rockaction
Footballguy
Now the hype is out of control.
Guy runs well if you stuff the rock in his chest enough. Let's see if they do or if they get out of their game script early and have to throw the ball all the time.
Guy runs well if you stuff the rock in his chest enough. Let's see if they do or if they get out of their game script early and have to throw the ball all the time.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Yep, he's a mudder. His mother was a mudder.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Loves the slop
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I’m just upset I missed out on Foreman. Loved the guy last year. Know he is great but the fact the bears made him inactive multiple weeks gave me just enough pause to not put enough FAAB on him this week by a smidge.
And it’s gonna hurt because I could really use him.
I’m a Vikings fan, but I’m excited to see him pound the rock… because I’ve always felt like he just feels like an old school running back.
I picked him up at opportune times in both 2021 and 2022. The guy just likes to rumble for 100+ yards.
It’s weird though… because I’ve owned him and he also likes to have games with 10-15 carries for about 24 yards.
Very boom or bust. But you gotta feel good about this weekend especially if you are in dire straits… which many of us are. Money for nothing and chicks for free.
And it’s gonna hurt because I could really use him.
I’m a Vikings fan, but I’m excited to see him pound the rock… because I’ve always felt like he just feels like an old school running back.
I picked him up at opportune times in both 2021 and 2022. The guy just likes to rumble for 100+ yards.
It’s weird though… because I’ve owned him and he also likes to have games with 10-15 carries for about 24 yards.
Very boom or bust. But you gotta feel good about this weekend especially if you are in dire straits… which many of us are. Money for nothing and chicks for free.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Through 5 weeks Roschon has played 48 ST snaps & Travis Homer (always been a 4-phase ST guy) had 73 ST snaps. D'Onta Foreman has 18 career ST snaps, the last being in 2020.
He has a defined role: pound tf out of the opposing defense. With Johnson filling that role and Herbert being the 1/1A it's just a special teams numbers game to explain the inactives. We have seen this play out again and again on different teams. The backup isn't the RB2 on the team, it's the thumper who is game day inactive - coach's decision.
Now that may or may not be the case in Chicago. I'm not going to argue CEO-HC Matt Eberflus has a logical plan or exerts any control over whatever tf scheme
TZMarkie
Footballguy
All good points^^^.
I was fortunate to snag Foreman in one ppr league (where I had multiple big RB injuries) and he is looking like a possible flex. (I have Herbert in 2 leagues as my RB3, this is one) I don't much like him in this format, but I'm at a point where I need warm bodies at RB.
Truth be known, he runs hard, and always did. It really sucked when he had that Achilles injury, it looked like he was about to breakout as an absolute bruiser similar to Marshawn Lynch.
It took him a long time to get close to what he was, but I firmly believe he is good to go.
I remember seeing him in spots the last couple years and he seemed to run well/same violent style.
I might not have to use him, but I definitely wanted him in my arsenal in a couple leagues.
He might turn out to be a great fill-in while others get healthy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
All good points^^^.
I was fortunate to snag Foreman in one ppr league (where I had multiple big RB injuries) and he is looking like a possible flex. (I have Herbert in 2 leagues as my RB3, this is one) I don't much like him in this format, but I'm at a point where I need warm bodies at RB.
Truth be known, he runs hard, and always did. It really sucked when he had that Achilles injury, it looked like he was about to breakout as an absolute bruiser similar to Marshawn Lynch.
It took him a long time to get close to what he was, but I firmly believe he is good to go.
I remember seeing him in spots the last couple years and he seemed to run well/same violent style.
I might not have to use him, but I definitely wanted him in my arsenal in a couple leagues.
He might turn out to be a great fill-in while others get healthy.
Fully agree. Reminds me of Chris Ivory but slightly more under control. Dude loves to initiate the hit. DBs nightmare.
No plans to start him but put Roschon on IR and slid him onto the bench. Don't need to cover a RB or Flex bye this week so just taking a wait n see approach. But I like both backs, even though that OC is ****ing clueless. Next week they have the Raiders at home, Hall will be on a bye, and I'll have an interesting choice to decide.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I typed out a long response, but it vanished into the quote function. 
Essentially Chris Ivory was one of my favorite modern RBs to watch, he ran with a "IDGAF" style, and was never scared of hits.
I have compared Foreman to not only Chris Ivory, but kinda similar to Isaiah Pacheco as well.
The sad thing with Ivory is his brutal, punishing running style likely led him to an injury shortened career.
Essentially Chris Ivory was one of my favorite modern RBs to watch, he ran with a "IDGAF" style, and was never scared of hits.
I have compared Foreman to not only Chris Ivory, but kinda similar to Isaiah Pacheco as well.
The sad thing with Ivory is his brutal, punishing running style likely led him to an injury shortened career.
Even if R. Johnson is active next week, wouldn't it be a bit of "thunder and lightning" with Foreman being the thunder and Johnson more of the lightning?
I know R. Johnson was getting PPR action early in the year in garbage time. That said, saw him get some goaline opps too and he looks bigger as well.
I know R. Johnson was getting PPR action early in the year in garbage time. That said, saw him get some goaline opps too and he looks bigger as well.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Its a double edged sword with RB who initiate contact.
Its another way for a RB to win and often leads to good yards after contact, some times broken tackles.
It also leads to more big hits and in my opinion more risk of injury from that compared a RB who avoids and slips away from contact.
Some people love that style of RB and moreso than I do.
What I like about Foreman is that he isnt just a battering ram though. He has some good footwork and change of direction ability too. I am seeing he still has that watching some of his plays from last season. He is able to make defensive backs miss at the 2nd level and extend plays that way. He is also able to jump cut to suddenly get to the open hole at the first level. If thats not there then he can try to just power through.
I suppose its because he was in a Panthers uniform but he has some similar traits to Johnathan Stewart I think as far as his frame and running style. Not as good as a reciever as Stewart but I think more hard nosed and powerful than Stewart was.
Its another way for a RB to win and often leads to good yards after contact, some times broken tackles.
It also leads to more big hits and in my opinion more risk of injury from that compared a RB who avoids and slips away from contact.
Some people love that style of RB and moreso than I do.
What I like about Foreman is that he isnt just a battering ram though. He has some good footwork and change of direction ability too. I am seeing he still has that watching some of his plays from last season. He is able to make defensive backs miss at the 2nd level and extend plays that way. He is also able to jump cut to suddenly get to the open hole at the first level. If thats not there then he can try to just power through.
I suppose its because he was in a Panthers uniform but he has some similar traits to Johnathan Stewart I think as far as his frame and running style. Not as good as a reciever as Stewart but I think more hard nosed and powerful than Stewart was.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
I'd love for RJ to do all the work between the 20s and then have Foreman in the RZ.
Gruden's Keyboard
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Foreman is a good back. I've been saying since week one that they should utilize him just simply for the order and predictability it brings to an offense and the opposing defense.
He's going to have some 20 for 60 games and some 20 for 120 games. He's totally fine.
There have always been teams that tried to get this scat back or that speedy back going on cute runs that wind up being a whole lot of nothing.
There would be something coachable and workable if he got 20 carries.
The Bears seemed to find their groove and Fields turned into an MVP candidate all of a sudden. I don't think that's sustainable. I'd rather see them keep this in their back pocket for when they need a comeback.
I have no doubt Roschon can be used additionally very well too. Foreman is a big boy that'll wear down a D.
And Fields too. Maybe he'll see the DL look tired or beat up and audible to use his speed. Even if it's 20 for 60 yards I think Foreman would be great for this team.
He's going to have some 20 for 60 games and some 20 for 120 games. He's totally fine.
There have always been teams that tried to get this scat back or that speedy back going on cute runs that wind up being a whole lot of nothing.
There would be something coachable and workable if he got 20 carries.
The Bears seemed to find their groove and Fields turned into an MVP candidate all of a sudden. I don't think that's sustainable. I'd rather see them keep this in their back pocket for when they need a comeback.
I have no doubt Roschon can be used additionally very well too. Foreman is a big boy that'll wear down a D.
And Fields too. Maybe he'll see the DL look tired or beat up and audible to use his speed. Even if it's 20 for 60 yards I think Foreman would be great for this team.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
I pulled up his projection outlook on ESPN, and this is what it said:
"Foreman has been inactive for the Bears' last four games, but looks like he will be forced into action in Week 6 against the Vikings due to injuries in the Bears' RB room. Even so, we see no reason to add Foreman to your fantasy roster."
Diss-respect
"Foreman has been inactive for the Bears' last four games, but looks like he will be forced into action in Week 6 against the Vikings due to injuries in the Bears' RB room. Even so, we see no reason to add Foreman to your fantasy roster."
Diss-respect
