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RB Doug Martin, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

I just traded for this cat in a dyno. His owner was having a RB fire sale.

What's the opinion of his prospects going forward? Totally tied to Jameis? Good enough to shine on a bad team? Were the last 2 years simply an anomaly of injuries or was his rookie year the fluke?

 
mr roboto said:
I just traded for this cat in a dyno. His owner was having a RB fire sale.

What's the opinion of his prospects going forward? Totally tied to Jameis? Good enough to shine on a bad team? Were the last 2 years simply an anomaly of injuries or was his rookie year the fluke?
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A little column A, a little column B.

He's an average NFL starter, IMO. In the right situation he'll shine, in a bad situation he'll suck. So yeah, he's pretty tied to Winston this year. If he pulls it together, Koetter can run a nice offense and milk some fantasy points out of his RB. As the offensive line gels and Winston improves, Doug will be a nice RB2 this year. What happens in free agency is anyone's guess, though.

 
It sucks starting Martin and having to hope Winston doesn't stink up the joint again, rendering him useless after halftime. He looked really good last week.

 
I'm starting him today. Him and Ivory who is questionable. Not feeling great about it, but when your other options were Anderson and Foster then you don't have much choice at this point. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised, he definitely ran well last week lets just hope Winston doesn't stink the joint out, Evans is active and the Saints don't race to an early unassailable lead.

 
JuniorNB said:
It sucks starting Martin and having to hope Winston doesn't stink up the joint again, rendering him useless after halftime. He looked really good last week.
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The Bucs have to run the ball to have a chance against the Saints. The Saints D is really bad.

 
I'm torn between Martin and Woodhead in PPR. I think San Diego will struggle to run against Cincy and Woodhead may see a lot of passes/ passing down packages.

 
White Lightning said:
I'm torn between Martin and Woodhead in PPR. I think San Diego will struggle to run against Cincy and Woodhead may see a lot of passes/ passing down packages.
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Woodhead. Can't trust Winston on the road - and if it's a blowout (like last week) then Martin gets pulled early in a blowout.

 
JuniorNB said:
It sucks starting Martin and having to hope Winston doesn't stink up the joint again, rendering him useless after halftime. He looked really good last week.
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I don't think it's Winston stinking up the joint that will affect Martin's outcome as much as the Bucs D. If the Bucs D keeps it competitive I see Martin getting a nice workload.

 
Yeah--he looked good wasting an opportunity to slam the door shut on an important victory for his team--and he wasted a golden opportunity for all of his fantasy owners. He gets a full workload--against a weak defense--in a game flow that could not be more ideal for him to go off---and what does he do--nearly fumbles the game away. He barely cracks double digit fantasy points in leagues that penalize for fumbles. One could not have written a better scenario than today for this guy to really shine-and his fantasy production is mediocre at best for an rb2. This guy will end up having some big games this year--but the problem is that most of them will probably end up on peoples benches as he makes it nearly impossible for his owners to trust starting him. Today was not a victory for him or his owners--it was a neutral or wasted opportunity at best.

 
After how bad TB looked last week, I'm actually optimistic after the NO game. The bucs winning in NO doesn't happen very often.

I'm more concerned about the goal line play calling w/ Winston. If he continues to vulture rushing tds near the goal line, it will be tough for martin to be a dependable rb2.

 
thecardiackid said:
After how bad TB looked last week, I'm actually optimistic after the NO game. The bucs winning in NO doesn't happen very often.

I'm more concerned about the goal line play calling w/ Winston. If he continues to vulture rushing tds near the goal line, it will be tough for martin to be a dependable rb2.
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Jameis checked to that play. The Saints were selling out to stop Martin.

Doug has looked great. Once the training wheels come off Jameis the offense will open up even more for Doug.

 
Big limit with him is they take him out on pretty much every passing situation in the limited times I have gotten to watch the Bucs.

He seems like he has already ripped off more big runs this year than he did in months of games last year though so he at least isn't complete crap like last season.

 
The General said:
He seems like he has already ripped off more big runs this year than he did in months of games last year though so he at least isn't complete crap like last season.
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He's had several big runs, and I'd say at least 4 more 10+ yard runs have been negated by penalty. He also had a 30 yard screen play negated by a tripping call Sunday.

 
Grahamburn said:
The General said:
He seems like he has already ripped off more big runs this year than he did in months of games last year though so he at least isn't complete crap like last season.
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He's had several big runs, and I'd say at least 4 more 10+ yard runs have been negated by penalty. He also had a 30 yard screen play negated by a tripping call Sunday.
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I was wondering why it doesn't appear that Winston/TB is utilizing his at all in the passing game. Good to know that they haven't forgotten that he can be Sproles-like with screens.

 
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JuniorNB said:
Grahamburn said:
The General said:
He seems like he has already ripped off more big runs this year than he did in months of games last year though so he at least isn't complete crap like last season.
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He's had several big runs, and I'd say at least 4 more 10+ yard runs have been negated by penalty. He also had a 30 yard screen play negated by a tripping call Sunday.
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I was wondering why it doesn't appear that Winston/TB is utilizing his at all in the passing game. Good to know that they haven't forgotten that he can be Sproles-like with screens.
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Jameis doesn't quite have the timing/touch on the screen game down yet. He had one picked off against the Titans and had another batted down this past week. The 30 yard screen was on like 3rd and impossible late in the game Sunday. Huge play. Flag.

 
Yeah, the disappointment here isn't necessarily the statistics so far but that when I drafted this guy I thought I was getting a 3-down back.

 
He's doing fine - you are going to get pinball machine numbers every week.

Patience. Game flow is a big factor (and it's highly variable) for most players.

 
duaneok66 said:
He's doing fine - you are going to get pinball machine numbers every week.

Patience. Game flow is a big factor (and it's highly variable) for most players.
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How exactly was the game flow not in his favor against New Orleans? In regards to other posters saying that he had a lot of nice runs that were negated by penalties--that is a bogus statement. Many times a player will have a big run because his teammates are holding "would be" tacklers.

Keep in mind that he has had an opportunity to shine as Mike Evans has played zero role so far this season. When it comes to fantasy relevance--game flow can be a factor--but it's not nearly as big a factor as touchdown dependence. The dude has had like 3 total td's in his last like 18 combined games. He already lost a td to jameis and will probably lose many more to Evans one he gets healthy. Martin is a guy that has RB2 talent--but that barely gives you RB3-RB4 production. He will have a few games where he goes nuts and teases the fantasy community that he's some elite player--but in the weeks where he doesn't have big games--he'll give you production that is barely startable. I admire the intestinal fortitude (and yes--I did use that term) of his owners that send him out week to week--or that have the belief that they can predict when those monster games can and will be. If one can do that accurately--then Martin will be a great asset for them.

 
Grahamburn said:
cstu said:
Grahamburn said:
The 30 yard screen was on like 3rd and impossible late in the game Sunday. Huge play. Flag.
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Man, he looked fast on that play.
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The numbers are coming. People giving up on him will be sorry.
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Thinking about giving up on Sims for Christine. Do you see Martin locking down the same role he has now all year? Or if the team struggles like last year could you them giving Sims more of a shot?

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
duaneok66 said:
He's doing fine - you are going to get pinball machine numbers every week.

Patience. Game flow is a big factor (and it's highly variable) for most players.
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How exactly was the game flow not in his favor against New Orleans? In regards to other posters saying that he had a lot of nice runs that were negated by penalties--that is a bogus statement. Many times a player will have a big run because his teammates are holding "would be" tacklers.

Keep in mind that he has had an opportunity to shine as Mike Evans has played zero role so far this season. When it comes to fantasy relevance--game flow can be a factor--but it's not nearly as big a factor as touchdown dependence. The dude has had like 3 total td's in his last like 18 combined games. He already lost a td to jameis and will probably lose many more to Evans one he gets healthy. Martin is a guy that has RB2 talent--but that barely gives you RB3-RB4 production. He will have a few games where he goes nuts and teases the fantasy community that he's some elite player--but in the weeks where he doesn't have big games--he'll give you production that is barely startable. I admire the intestinal fortitude (and yes--I did use that term) of his owners that send him out week to week--or that have the belief that they can predict when those monster games can and will be. If one can do that accurately--then Martin will be a great asset for them.
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sometimes a runner has a big run called back and the penalty is the reason he had the run. But many times, the penalty made no difference. Still a good piece of info for those who didn't get to see the game. As for Evans being healthy, it gives the defense one more weapon to have to worry about. And less able to stack the box.

And Martin wasn't drafted as a RB1. Every RB2 or flex option is a crapshoot where the owner is trying to guess when his big weeks will come. So that paragraph was a waste of time

 
JuniorNB said:
jvdesigns2002 said:
duaneok66 said:
He's doing fine - you are going to get pinball machine numbers every week.

Patience. Game flow is a big factor (and it's highly variable) for most players.
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How exactly was the game flow not in his favor against New Orleans?In regards to other posters saying that he had a lot of nice runs that were negated by penalties--that is a bogus statement. Many times a player will have a big run because his teammates are holding "would be" tacklers.

Keep in mind that he has had an opportunity to shine as Mike Evans has played zero role so far this season. When it comes to fantasy relevance--game flow can be a factor--but it's not nearly as big a factor as touchdown dependence. The dude has had like 3 total td's in his last like 18 combined games. He already lost a td to jameis and will probably lose many more to Evans one he gets healthy. Martin is a guy that has RB2 talent--but that barely gives you RB3-RB4 production. He will have a few games where he goes nuts and teases the fantasy community that he's some elite player--but in the weeks where he doesn't have big games--he'll give you production that is barely startable. I admire the intestinal fortitude (and yes--I did use that term) of his owners that send him out week to week--or that have the belief that they can predict when those monster games can and will be. If one can do that accurately--then Martin will be a great asset for them.
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sometimes a runner has a big run called back and the penalty is the reason he had the run. But many times, the penalty made no difference. Still a good piece of info for those who didn't get to see the game.As for Evans being healthy, it gives the defense one more weapon to have to worry about. And less able to stack the box.

And Martin wasn't drafted as a RB1. Every RB2 or flex option is a crapshoot where the owner is trying to guess when his big weeks will come. So that paragraph was a waste of time
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Actual fantasy production is a good piece of information for those of who didn't see the game--not plays that didn't count because of penalties. They don't count for anything--nor do they mean anything. I guarantee you that there were uncalled holding penalties on a lot of his runs that did count as well--and nobody is putting an asterisk next to those. To say that penalties are what stopped Martin from having a bigger fantasy day is just another excuse for Martin apologists.

In regards to your comment about every rb2 or flex play being a crapshoot to determine production--that is also making another pass for Martin. The dude has not had a 15 fantasy point game in ppr over his last 19 games. Over his last 19 games--he has averaged 8.8 fantasy points per game in ppr. That shows that over his last 19 games--his floor is really low--and his ceiling has been very low. The only thing that is a waste of time--is people blinding themselves to what Martin's actual production has been. If you feel like what I say is a waste of time---then don't waste your time replying to it.

I have nothing against Martin nor his supporters. In fact--I hope and wish that Martin goes off and benefits all of his owners. What I find to be shocking is the ability of so called "fantasy sharks" to deny reality. There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. Doug Martin has been borderline fantasy garbage since 2013. Trying to convince the world otherwise is false. That's not my opinion--that is the facts based on actual statistics. I have no problem with people thinking that he has the potential to go off--but they should do so in an honest fashion. There is nothing wrong believing that a player that has more or less been fantasy garbage for the past 2 years has upside. I can tell you that anybody (including the Martin supporters and apologists) that starts Martin with any sort of regularity does not feel fully comfortable doing so. If they tell you that they are fully comfortable starting him--they are lying to you. They all start him with hopes that he'll have that huge game that has never come over the last two years. That is the main difference between Martin and most other rb2/flex players.

 
I, for one, like to hear how a player looks when I don't have a chance to see him play. So when someone says Martin had a 30 yard reception called back and he looked like lightning, that's good information. Just as it would be if someone said he looks sluggish. No different than last year.

You also seem more hung up on his last two seasons than finding out if he's returned to 2012 form, as had been the rumors out of Buccaneer training camp. It's quite obvious that you feel Martin has lost it. Good for you. Other people feel the opposite. He's a RB2/flex option. He wasn't drafted as an RB1 and no one is expecting him to be one. Just like the other guys drafted around him, you put him in and hope has a good day. All reports are that Martin looks super quick and much more like 2012 Martin than the injured Martin of the last two years.

 
ponchsox said:
This is more like Bishop Sankey in fantasy instead of a comeback RB2 this year.
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He had 98 yards this week. Was also set to get a 1 yard TD run but Winston audibled to himself so he could have it. That's fantasy. Winston hands it off to Martin and Martin has 21.2 fantasy points. Good enough for #17 running back. Or the #5 RB2. Numbers get skewed this early. One or two touchdowns makes a guy seem like he's doing much better than he really is. (Snakey, D. Murray, M.Reece). It will all come out in the wash. From the way he looks, he will finish as a solid RB2. Which is above where most people drafted him. I don't think anyone was expecting RB1 numbers.

 
NREC34 said:
Grahamburn said:
cstu said:
Grahamburn said:
The 30 yard screen was on like 3rd and impossible late in the game Sunday. Huge play. Flag.
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Man, he looked fast on that play.
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The numbers are coming. People giving up on him will be sorry.
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Thinking about giving up on Sims for Christine. Do you see Martin locking down the same role he has now all year? Or if the team struggles like last year could you them giving Sims more of a shot?
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Doug won't be losing his role. He really has looked fantastic throughout camp, preseason games, and now the first two games.

His numbers will improve as the season goes along.

 
Wow---now I get personally attacked for having an objective or possibily opposing view of Martin. I have a different point of view in regards to fantasy football on a player--and I get a "mama" joke and called immature. You do realize that these threads are supposed to be places people on both sides of a fence about a certain player post their opinions, right? Please let me know if somehow I missed a memo that this thread was supposed to be only for pro-Martin guys. People have the choice to agree or disagree with me all that they want--that's totall fine. Somebody that doesn't understand that an opinion on fantasy football is not an invitiation to get insulted on a personal level--is the one that is being immature and child like. It's apparently obvious that my posts aren't welcome or invited in this thread--and I have zero desire to get sucked into name calling--so I'll just refrain from posting in this thread anymore.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Wow---now I get personally attacked for having an objective or possibily opposing view of Martin. I have a different point of view in regards to fantasy football on a player--and I get a "mama" joke and called immature. You do realize that these threads are supposed to be places people on both sides of a fence about a certain player post their opinions, right? Please let me know if somehow I missed a memo that this thread was supposed to be only for pro-Martin guys. People have the choice to agree or disagree with me all that they want--that's totall fine. Somebody that doesn't understand that an opinion on fantasy football is not an invitiation to get insulted on a personal level--is the one that is being immature and child like. It's apparently obvious that my posts aren't welcome or invited in this thread--and I have zero desire to get sucked into name calling--so I'll just refrain from posting in this thread anymore.
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:rolleyes: Opposing takes on players are always welcome assuming there is some sort of actual analysis. What's not welcome is just blind hate and pointless blather. This entire time you have totally ignored injuries and situation and harped on his production and consistency under a totally different offensive system. You claim any analysis of a new offensive coordinator is just "making excuses" for his previously poor fantasy production. It's like you don't even want to do any analysis at all. You just hate Martin. And you act like anyone who says he was a value pick around RB24 is expecting him to finish top 5 with weekly production of at least 100 YFS and/or a TD.

 
Yeah, welcome to the bench for what is probably the remainder of the season. I feel like a Jonathan Stewart owner at this point. Against any opponent despite D ranking, this team can be completely and totally taken out of any sense of offensive gameplan. And when that happens, you'll be starting down at a performance like this week. 40-50 total yards and not a sniff at a TD.

Love this guy, hate hate hate this situation over the last 3 years. Not going to get better this year either. *Sigh*

 
He's fine, but they aren't sustaining any offense yet, the defense can't get off the field, and Sims is taking valuable reps. Not a good recipe for RB numbers right now.

 
Welp. It was fun while it lasted (actually it wasn't fun at all).

Martin (undisclosed) didn't practice Thursday, Greg Auman of the Tampa Bay Times reports.Spin:
The reason for Martin's absence wasn't immediately known, but the Buccaneers should reveal the culprit in short order. Through three games, Martin has only picked up 49 percent of the offensive snaps, versus 45 percent for Charles Sims.
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nb009 said:
Welp. It was fun while it lasted (actually it wasn't fun at all).

Martin (undisclosed) didn't practice Thursday, Greg Auman of the Tampa Bay Times reports.Spin:
The reason for Martin's absence wasn't immediately known, but the Buccaneers should reveal the culprit in short order. Through three games, Martin has only picked up 49 percent of the offensive snaps, versus 45 percent for Charles Sims.
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The story of my season so far. All the guys who created preseason buzz have been major fails. Martin, Cooks, D. Adams..

Martin has actually looked good (as of first two weeks. Didn't see this past week's game). Just hasn't gotten many chances . Seems they're leaning toward Sims now. With Winston and Evans being so young, I can understand the logic. Oh well.

 
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