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RB Doug Martin, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

They didn't pay big money. Barely a blip on the salary cap. Would you rather they just burn the cash instead?
In today's league I would rather spend the money on defensive / offensive line depth.  Have 6 starting D linemen, and 6 starting O-linemen (salary wise anyways).  Then draft a RB in rounds 2-4 every 2-3 years.  I have just seen too many Chris Ivory's, Davonta Freeman's, Blounts, etc. to think you tie up that much at RB.  

 
In today's league I would rather spend the money on defensive / offensive line depth.  Have 6 starting D linemen, and 6 starting O-linemen (salary wise anyways).  Then draft a RB in rounds 2-4 every 2-3 years.  I have just seen too many Chris Ivory's, Davonta Freeman's, Blounts, etc. to think you tie up that much at RB.  
Opinions on the OL signings so far by the Bucs?

 
why would anyone want him to leave an offence he knows and excelled in? its a good move for everyone
The rumors that Dallas was interested certainly sounded enticing. Sure, he had a great year last year, but in Dallas he wouldn't be losing 3rd downs and garbage time to Sims and Romo wouldn't be poaching goal line TDs. They'd also probably be in the red zone much more frequently.

Don't get me wrong TB is a nice spot for Doug, but it wasn't as good as Dallas would've been.

 
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In today's league I would rather spend the money on defensive / offensive line depth.  Have 6 starting D linemen, and 6 starting O-linemen (salary wise anyways).  Then draft a RB in rounds 2-4 every 2-3 years.  I have just seen too many Chris Ivory's, Davonta Freeman's, Blounts, etc. to think you tie up that much at RB.  
They signed a olineman yesterday and they still have literally 45 million in cap space after these two. What OL or DL are they not getting because they signed Doug? Your stance doesn't make any sense. 

 
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They signed a olineman yesterday and they still have literally 45 million in cap space after these two. What OL or DL are they not getting because they signed Doug? Your stance doesn't make any sense. 
It's a general salary cap philosophy.  I didn't invent it, but I buy into it.  The general idea is that RBs get hurt, and don't have long careers.  Not to mention the high number of rookies, and non- blue chip guys that succeed at the position.  Then you look at the successful teams, like New England, and see how many premium picks or big contracts they give to RBs.

 
It's a general salary cap philosophy.  I didn't invent it, but I buy into it.  The general idea is that RBs get hurt, and don't have long careers.  Not to mention the high number of rookies, and non- blue chip guys that succeed at the position.  Then you look at the successful teams, like New England, and see how many premium picks or big contracts they give to RBs.
Things have changed since then. The cap is significantly higher than its ever been and it is projected to skyrocket next year. Your philosophy is out of date. 

Plus, for this specific example it doesn't make any sense at all. The bucs have a ####-ton of cap room and a good player that they can re-sign to take some of it. And you would prefer they not do so, so that they can sign some other imaginary free agents that aren't coming here anyways and that they could easily sign anyways if they were? :loco:

 
Basically "hey don't sign this really really good player so that we can have some more cap room on top of the extra cap room that we aren't going to use anyhow."

 
Basically "hey don't sign this really really good player so that we can have some more cap room on top of the extra cap room that we aren't going to use anyhow."
I get what he's saying, but it only really applies IF signing Martin prevents them (this year, or during the term of his contract) from signing other players at "more important" and less replaceable positions (OL & DL).

 
No problems whatsoever with Martin's contract.  With only $15M guaranteed he won't prevent the Bucs from signing the home grown players they've drafted the last couple years to extensions.  That was my biggest fear.

 
I was surprised, honestly thought Martin would command a lot more than that, more like Demarco Murray's Eagles money. Good signing for the Bucs IMO.

 
I get what he's saying, but it only really applies IF signing Martin prevents them (this year, or during the term of his contract) from signing other players at "more important" and less replaceable positions (OL & DL).
I get his point, but it doesn't apply at all to this particular situation. Especially since the Bucs also signed a lineman as well yesterday. 

 
No problems whatsoever with Martin's contract.  With only $15M guaranteed he won't prevent the Bucs from signing the home grown players they've drafted the last couple years to extensions.  That was my biggest fear.
Yes this is also a consideration. Reward for those who do well. 

 
Things have changed since then. The cap is significantly higher than its ever been and it is projected to skyrocket next year. Your philosophy is out of date. 

Plus, for this specific example it doesn't make any sense at all. The bucs have a ####-ton of cap room and a good player that they can re-sign to take some of it. And you would prefer they not do so, so that they can sign some other imaginary free agents that aren't coming here anyways and that they could easily sign anyways if they were? :loco:
I don't think it's out of date.  Besides the Seahawks, not many championship calibre teams have a ton of money wrapped up at the RB position.

As for who they should spend the money on, DL, CB, LB, are all glaring holes.  

I like the guard signing.

 
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They're keeping last years offense basically intact and they're about to spend an entire draft on defense.  When the time comes they'll use the available cap space to pay Evans, ASJ if he figures it out, Sims, Jameis, Smith, Marpet, Kwon, and then hopefully a few studs drafted in 2016/2017.  With McCoy and David already locked up I don't feel like the Bucs have had this many talented players on their roster at one time since 2002. 

Mix in second tier impact free agents on short deals to fill temporary holes along the way and they enter the realm of perennial contender.  The Bucs are following the template of how the most tenured winning franchises achieve success.  They're drafting well, making sure they keep their own players, and managing the cap in such a way to continue to keep their own players going forward.  Licht isn't lying when he says everything they do is with a vision three years down the road.

Licht played a heck of a game of chicken with Martin and his agent by not franchising him.  Props.  I said all along they should have tagged him.  At $15M guaranteed they're basically only tied to Doug for the next two seasons and could/should hypothetically draft his replacement next year with a super deep RB class likely coming out.

 
I don't think it's out of date.  Besides the Seahawks, not many championship calibre teams have a ton of money wrapped up at the RB position.

As for who they should spend the money on, DL, CB, LB, are all glaring holes.  

I like the guard signing.
You keep saying the same thing but it doesn't have any meaning in this situation. The bucs had the cap and money to sign him. If what you are saying is valid at all,  then where are the other signings with the 45M in cap space? Your stance just doesn't make any sense. 

 
You keep saying the same thing but it doesn't have any meaning in this situation. The bucs had the cap and money to sign him. If what you are saying is valid at all,  then where are the other signings with the 45M in cap space? Your stance just doesn't make any sense. 
I'm not sure what you don't understand here.  You want me to just name defensive free agents?  I'm 

 
Mix in second tier impact free agents on short deals to fill temporary holes along the way and they enter the realm of perennial contender.  The Bucs are following the template of how the most tenured winning franchises achieve success.  They're drafting well, making sure they keep their own players
This is what I'm waiting for.  So far we lost a probowl guard and replaced him with someone younger.  I'm not looking for blue chip free agents, but spend some money on positions we were glaringly thin at.

 
doesn't resigning martin - who is one of the league's best all-around RBs - to an easily manageable contract go right a long with the drafting and keeping your own player theory?  according to sportrac the bucs still have over $53 mil in cap space.  

 
I really don't understand what is so foreign about my position.  A few of the local radio guys have a similar opinion.  It's simply a difference in salary cap  management philosophy.  It has nothing to do with Doug Martin. I like him.

 
I really don't understand what is so foreign about my position.  A few of the local radio guys have a similar opinion.  It's simply a difference in salary cap  management philosophy.  It has nothing to do with Doug Martin. I like him.
They have 50 million in cap space. There's no players they can't or could not have signed. That's what's foreign. 

 
doesn't resigning martin - who is one of the league's best all-around RBs - to an easily manageable contract go right a long with the drafting and keeping your own player theory?  according to sportrac the bucs still have over $53 mil in cap space.  
Exactly 

 
They're keeping last years offense basically intact and they're about to spend an entire draft on defense.  When the time comes they'll use the available cap space to pay Evans, ASJ if he figures it out, Sims, Jameis, Smith, Marpet, Kwon, and then hopefully a few studs drafted in 2016/2017.  With McCoy and David already locked up I don't feel like the Bucs have had this many talented players on their roster at one time since 2002. 

Mix in second tier impact free agents on short deals to fill temporary holes along the way and they enter the realm of perennial contender.  The Bucs are following the template of how the most tenured winning franchises achieve success.  They're drafting well, making sure they keep their own players, and managing the cap in such a way to continue to keep their own players going forward.  Licht isn't lying when he says everything they do is with a vision three years down the road.

Licht played a heck of a game of chicken with Martin and his agent by not franchising him.  Props.  I said all along they should have tagged him.  At $15M guaranteed they're basically only tied to Doug for the next two seasons and could/should hypothetically draft his replacement next year with a super deep RB class likely coming out.
I think they did the right thing re-signing Martin and considering their cap space they certainly aren't going to be hamstrung by his contract but Licht lost the game of chicken when he didn't pick up Martin's fifth year option.  Martin won that one by a country mile.

 
Depends how you look at it. 

Does Martin rush for 1,400 yards if he does pick up that option?

And now he's locked up long term. Both sides ended up winning here  

 
I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion on Martin this preseason.  The guy surely is a mystery. Two great years, two bad years.  I'm thinking of protecting Martin and losing a 4th round pick (10 teamer). I learned last year to accept that Sims would get the third down work. I only wish that Winston didn't feel the need to take all the goal line touchdowns.

Any Buc homers that are seeing/hearing how he looks in camp?

 
He can be had fairly cheaply in some leagues.  I added him by swapping my first round pick next year for a 2nd round pick next year.  If last season is an indicator it would be Martin plus a late 2nd round pick for a late first round pick.

 
Koetter said Jaquizz Rodgers has a more similar running style to Doug, and praised his week 2 performance.  While everyone is projecting Charles Simms as a top 10 back this week, the sneaky play may be Rodgers.  I'm definitely adding him in a few leagues.  He should be a 10ppg player for 3-4 weeks. 

 
Koetter said Jaquizz Rodgers has a more similar running style to Doug, and praised his week 2 performance.  While everyone is projecting Charles Simms as a top 10 back this week, the sneaky play may be Rodgers.  I'm definitely adding him in a few leagues.  He should be a 10ppg player for 3-4 weeks. 
what do YOU think longtime Bucs fan?

 
what do YOU think longtime Bucs fan?
I like sims, but am not sure his running style bodes well for a 3 down back.  He's a little tall, and has a higher center of gravity.  He is the best in open space.   At 5'6" Quiz is much more like Martin, and should be more effective running inside. 

 It's going to come down to gameplan, and how they will attack Rams D throughout the game.  LA has a fast defense, so Sims will have trouble getting to the edge.  They probably start the game with Sims in every down, but  they may end up at a 60/40 split.  Too bad Martin is out.  I think running right at Donald would be the best strategy.  Its not like they are going to run the score up.  Don't give Jameis an opportunity to screw up.

 
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What, exactly, was the results of Martins MRI?

I've seen the report of expected to miss 3 weeks, but nothing specific (ie-what strained/torn, how bad, etc).  

 
Martin did not participate in practice today, and the Bucs signed RB Antone Smith this weekend. I just traded for Martin, so this has me a little nervous, but it won't be until Wednesday before the full blown panic sets in.

 
Is he practicing today?
First practice reports don't have to be released until tomorrow, so I'm doubtful we'll hear much of anything until then. Twitter has had nothing so far, except for reactionary responses to him missing yesterday. This is in spite of the coach indicating they were intentionally sitting most of the players yesterday who were coming back from injury, since they got an extra day of practice coming out of the bye. I tried to find that quote again but didn't have much luck.

I'm slightly worried, but I'm still counting on him to suit up on Sunday. Wednesday is the day that will probably dictate if we see him or not this weekend.

 
Martin did not participate in practice today, and the Bucs signed RB Antone Smith this weekend. I just traded for Martin, so this has me a little nervous, but it won't be until Wednesday before the full blown panic sets in.
Smith may have been signed more as a Sims replacement. Smith is a satellite back, who has never had more than a dozen touches in a game to my knowledge. He's explosive in space, he had that year where he had a 40+ yard TD like 5 weeks in a row, but he is very all or nothing. 

 
Paul Ryan Verified account ‏@WFLAPaul 38m38 minutes ago Tampa, FL

Winston on Doug Martin's return: "I feel like it's *very* close," he says with a smile. Martin expected to practice today.

 
Paul Ryan Verified account ‏@WFLAPaul 38m38 minutes ago Tampa, FL

Winston on Doug Martin's return: "I feel like it's *very* close," he says with a smile. Martin expected to practice today.
Doug Martin still a non-participant today, per Greg Auman on twitter. Now I'm worried.

 

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