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RB Dylan Sampson, CLE (1 Viewer)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
In that position I would keep BRob so I could sleep at night
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Agree with this - Sampson isn't going to have the replacement numbers for CMC (if injury occurs). Robinson probably won't either but I have to imagine he will be closer.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I have no idea what that means
Proteus
Footballguy
For me, in full ppr in a 14 teamer, I'm either starting him at RB over Hampton, or flexing him over Tet.
Every year the rookie wait kinda sucks. The game's gotta slow down, they gotta get patient, they gotta build chem with QB, whatever. Unless we're in a situation like Cleveland where the short targets were off the charts good for usage out of the gate.
Those other guys are probably more start worthy long term, but I'm tired of getting my a$$hairs singed while ignoring the signals that have nothing to do with draft order.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I have no idea what that means
It means does he look as good/better than Phillip Dorsett.
I was offered Jameson for Sampson and a projected late second in a FFPC format dynasty league last night. I passed. Bad move? I could see it working out that way, but I own Judkins on this team and I just really enjoy the notion of owning two 21 year old talented RB's on the same roster. I'm deep at RB and do need a WR but I'd rather wait to trade for a WR I like more and hold my RB assets for now and I can part with RB's easier knowing I got a whole team on lockdown.
I am guessing that will be the cheapest you can get Jamo moving foward. It's the perfect storm of a really bad Detroit game (against a great defense) and a really promising Sampson game (against a terrible defense). It's kind of a perfect storm of buy low/sell high that I doubt you will see again.
I would have taken that deal.
Thanks for your input but don't really agree on Jamo. Just not that big into him for fantasy. I mean I know he had a bad game which is not the norm but I'm also still expecting a lot of up and down games and I'm trying to put players in my lineup I have confidence in starting, not just hoping for a good game. If this was a BB league I'd have likely taken it.
Also I guess it's fair to say I don't agree with your assessment on Sampson either. Do not think a guy who has not even turned 21 just reached his apex in his first career game.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Jamo also has a potential usurper on the team for his role in Tesla. Not saying that's happening this year, but the new kid on the block has been flashing big time.
fair. I am the opposite on Jamo. I think he is on the rise. Differing opinions on values is what makes deals get done. Sounds like your trade partner and you have similar evals on Jamo and Sampson.
They just gave Jamo a contract extension. While TeSlaa has shown well I think they can co-exist and benefit from each other. I don't see Jamo losing much value from TeSlaa being there.
I actually think that's part of why I got the offer. The owner offering me Jamo just acquired Teslaa in a trade and I don't think wants to hold both of them and might have more long term belief in Tessla.
I feel more in terms of they just paid Jamo and he's going to have the role he normally has so not really viewing Teslaa as a direct threat so much as compounding an already existing issue of to many mouths to feed where Jamo is usually the most high variant of the proven Big 4. That was ok last year, decent PPG but a lot of up's and downs but that was also behind a better OL and Ben Johnson knowing how to get him the ball. I think Jamo's improved internally, is a better player then last year, but at the same time I think he's going to take a little regression. Better real life and BB fantasy guy to me then when I got to set a lineup.
I do think Teslaa will one day hold more fantasy value then Jamo. This is not that day as you said, might be next year or not. It's just so crowded with pass catchers and every single one of them is young and under contract for years, with Laporta's deal running out after 26 as the first one to come off the books but that's only because they can't extend him until after this season. Just not a situation I'm dying to jump into for a high variance WR.
Sorry for the Sampson derailment.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Cool well this has been a fun conversationI have no idea what that means
It means does he look as good/better than Phillip Dorsett.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Cool well this has been a fun conversationI have no idea what that means
It means does he look as good/better than Phillip Dorsett.
Look upthread. I had a back and forth with posters who thought I was offbase comparing him to Trey Henderson... It reminded me of Ty Lockett's rookie year when I questioned why he was drafted two rounds later than Phil Dorsett.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah but I'm not and wasn't going to go upthread to find some reference that wouldn't make sense to me anyway. It was just 100% cryptic gibberish to me sorry.Cool well this has been a fun conversationI have no idea what that means
It means does he look as good/better than Phillip Dorsett.
Look upthread. I had a back and forth with posters who thought I was offbase comparing him to Trey Henderson... It reminded me of Ty Lockett's rookie year when I questioned why he was drafted two rounds later than Phil Dorsett.
Anyway I just saw some of the Browns game but I saw several of Sampson's receptions and a few carries and I thought he looked like he belonged. A couple catches were pretty impressive.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yeah but I'm not and wasn't going to go upthread to find some reference that wouldn't make sense to me anyway. It was just 100% cryptic gibberish to me sorry.Cool well this has been a fun conversationI have no idea what that means
It means does he look as good/better than Phillip Dorsett.
Look upthread. I had a back and forth with posters who thought I was offbase comparing him to Trey Henderson... It reminded me of Ty Lockett's rookie year when I questioned why he was drafted two rounds later than Phil Dorsett.
Anyway I just saw some of the Browns game but I saw several of Sampson's receptions and a few carries and I thought he looked like he belonged. A couple catches were pretty impressive.
It's one page dude. No need to be crabby. Not every post here needs to be so serious. Sorry you weren't part of the joke and got annoyed.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
lol...he had one catch. It was a damn good catch...but it was one.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
And they just gave Jamo a bag.
Link?
Terpman22
Footballguy
Insider Expecting 'Heavy' Suspension for Browns' Quinshon Judkins
An NFL insider expects a 'heavy' suspension for Cleveland Browns rookie running back Quinshon Judkins after his meeting with the NFL.
heavy.com
Meh, some people may classify 4-6 games as "heavy".Insider Expecting 'Heavy' Suspension for Browns' Quinshon Judkins
An NFL insider expects a 'heavy' suspension for Cleveland Browns rookie running back Quinshon Judkins after his meeting with the NFL.
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I'd love to buy the hype, but it's hard to imagine a situation where Judkins doesn't get heavy play when he's able to play. Potentially a good rental (though we don't yet know how this offense looks against a real NFL defense) but there are suddenly lots of mouths to feed checkdowns to with Fannin being used so versatilely. Not sure what his ceiling is, but his floor is low enough that I'm skeptical.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I think at this point its best to be transparent in these comments, for instance, "I have no faith Qunshon Judkins is going to make a meaningful impact in games this season, just too late, no practice, is he in game shape, etc"
Signed
Sampson owner, 2/6 dynos, 1/1 Redraft
I'm not buying the Judkins hype, trust me!
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
My expertly curated squad of sublime talent vs their overhyped sheeple picks for babies
Despite all my gripes I picked Sampson up (Dropped Chubb, for those interested), so if he ends up getting 4 carries for 10 yards and 1 dropped pass you know who to blame.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Did you see him in preseason? Kid is a playmaker with elite size/speed.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Being RB neutral here- they are definitely going to use Judkins when he’s available. He was a higher draft pick. But Sampson has carved out a permanent role in their offense as a pass catcher and a handful of carries. I don’t think Judkins is going to be a bell cow. I can see a 65-35 split with Ford as the third RB. Maybe Sampson’s ceiling is capped with Judkins, but he will be in the RB3/flex convo all year IMO. If Judkins serves a suspension, Sampson is an RB2 while he’s out.
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility, but not a lot of teams are able to support two fantasty-startable RBs, and the Browns aren't one of those teams (in recent years). The pathway would come with heavy involvement in the passing game (where Sampson did shine), but we have a sample size of 1 game in which Judkins didn't even play.
Projecting Judkins is tough business because we know practically nothing besides his draft pedigree and skillset (I don't have any Judkins shares, FWIW), but what we do know is that the Stefanski staff seems to appreciate a bell-cow given recent history. For now I'm going to hold on to Sampson to see how his usage shakes out and monitor Judkins' status, but my gut is telling me Sampson is the Jerome Ford to Judkins' Chubb when all is said and done.
Put some respect on 4th round pick Jamaal Williams. But the difference between being a top 5 RB prospect drafted in the early 2nd round and being, like, the 14th best RB prospect (in a super stacked class to be fair) drafted in the 4th is pretty huge. Teams shouldn't pay attention to draft pick investment, but they do. Big question is whether Judkins will be NFL ready given he hasn't been able to practice, in which case he could be a non-factor for longer than the length of his probable suspension.
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Insein
Footballguy
Nothing to really sell in redraft. Nobodies giving anything of value. You'd get WW replacement level talent for him. Might as well hang on and see what he can do.
Proteus
Footballguy
Was going out on a bit of a limb already, starting him before Judkins was activated for the game.
Now? Feels a little reckless.
Or...is Sampson's role well defined enough already in the passing game in ways that it doesn't matter?
I'm not sure I have the stones to keep him in the lineup when finding out.
Now? Feels a little reckless.
Or...is Sampson's role well defined enough already in the passing game in ways that it doesn't matter?
I'm not sure I have the stones to keep him in the lineup when finding out.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Judkins had no training camp and no meetings; play Sampson with confidence this week
J Giles Band
Footballguy
I think it will be much sooner than that...
As for this week, hard to predict Judkins' usage. Not sure I'm buying the 'at least a dozen carries' assertion. That feels like a Mary Kay Cabot, Browns' mouthpiece comment to give the opponent something to think about in their game plan preparation.
I'd bet Judkins gets the goal line touches, short yardage and some 1st & 2nd down usage. Maybe closer to a half dozen carries? That said, I also think the Browns will ride the hot hand. So the more success Judkins has today, the more action he'll see.
If the Browns fall behind early, I think the game script favors Sampson. If it is a close game throughout, I'd hope to have a better option to start than Sampson.
Footballdaz
Footballguy
Sampsons value goes way down after this week. Judkins the much better rb. Ounce he gets the rust off,the backfield is his,with Sampson n Ford sprinkled in.
rockaction
Footballguy
I dropped him. He isn’t startable but in the deepest of PPR leagues. I mean, you can make a run at mediocrity with his 5-8 points on a good day, but I’m going to a different 7-11 for my lottery ticket.
ponchsox
Footballguy
I agree. Would rather roster Woody Marks or Tory Horton.
I cut Sampson last week, for Judkins actualy, in my one local smaller roster leagues but will be hanging onto Sampson in my larger roster leagues at least until 2 things come to pass.
Judkins possible, likely IMO, suspension and trade deadline, where I think Ford could be dealt.
If we get past the trade deadline, Ford's still on the team and Judkins has either served his suspension or is not facing one then I'll cut him. Got out-snapped 24 to 5 by Ford yesterday, I'm sure due to combo of OL issues and GB's front, but I can't work with that.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Turn out the lights, the party's over in Redraft
Judkins is almost an auto start as an RB2 or Flex1/2 option, would like to see him haul in a few balls for catches to add to his numbers
Judkins is almost an auto start as an RB2 or Flex1/2 option, would like to see him haul in a few balls for catches to add to his numbers
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, by the way, I am totally king of the ****-its in redraft and I am dynasty brained. Do not necessarily do as I do. I play fun leagues and let my id manage. Sampson’s YPC is one of the more dreadful things I’ve seen this year, and I know it’s a bit of a faulty stat yet I still look. If pickings are slim, meno and his course of action seems more prudent. The league I’m in has short benches, I’m not sold on 2 YPC (even though I should be concerned with catches in PPR), and I have other concerns, so Sampson goes.
