RB Elijah Mitchell, KC (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

Please, in the name of all that is Holy and the benevolent sainted Christine Michael, let's not start with SPARQ scores.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Please, in the name of all that is Holy and the benevolent sainted Christine Michael, let's not start with SPARQ scores.

Shot out of a cannon!!

 

[ffmail4me]

Paging Mr. Mason, paging Mr. Mason, pickup the white courtesy phone and take over this backfield

You're asking a guy with this athletic testing to run the 49ers backfield.

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Let me do a Bugs Bunny:

No.

No, I'm asking this guy to take over the backfield

All of Jordan Mason’s Carries from the 49ers’ Preseason Win Over the Vikings

Grant Cohn analyzes all of Jordan Mason's carries from the San Francisco 49ers' preseason win over the Minnesota Vikings.

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[rockaction]

All of Jordan Mason's Carries from the 49ers' PRESEASON Win Over the Vikings.

Good luck with that mediocrity. He may ascend to fantasy volume, and volume is king, but it won't be because of inherent talent or athleticism.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Ari Meirov] 49ers HC Kyle Shanahan said RB Elijah Mitchell will miss 8 weeks with the MCL sprain he suffered Sunday vs. Chicago. Jeff Wilson is the new RB1.

 

[ffmail4me]

All of Jordan Mason's Carries from the 49ers' PRESEASON Win Over the Vikings.

Good luck with that mediocrity. He may ascend to fantasy volume, and volume is king, but it won't be because of inherent talent or athleticism.

You know the same stuff was said about Mitchell last year...have you not learned how Shanny works? If this kid made the roster, and their 3rd round pick last year was cut to make room for Mason on the roster, I would consider reevaluating him if I were you.

 

[rockaction]

You know the same stuff was said about Mitchell last year

No, it wasn't. Mitchell almost ran a sub 4.4. None of the same things were being said about each back coming into the draft process or team process of selection. You're incorrect.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Paging Mr. Mason, paging Mr. Mason, pickup the white courtesy phone and take over this backfield

You're asking a guy with this athletic testing to run the 49ers backfield.

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Let me do a Bugs Bunny:

No.

I, for one, would like to see a bruiser like Mason get a chance.

Maybe he’ll be the one delivering punishment instead of receiving it for a nice change.

 

[rockaction]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m a 49ers fan FFS.

I’m saying I’d like to see it.

 

[efactor]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m a 49ers fan FFS.

I’m saying I’d like to see it.

This was one of my concerns with the team going into the season, knowing Mitchell wasn't exactly a workhorse type back. Was not impressed by Davis Price and Wilson isn't a feature back. Really wanted them to try and get Hunt when he said he wanted out. Jimmy for Hunt just made so much sense.

 

[SoBeDad]

Duke Johnson had two hundred yard games in 4 starts behind the bad Miami oline last year. A 72 pff grade. I'm not saying he's the answer, but there may some PS guys that are better than what they have now. PS players can't be protected this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Duke Johnson had two hundred yard games in 4 starts behind the bad Miami oline last year. A 72 pff grade. I'm not saying he's the answer, but there may some PS guys that are better than what they have now. PS players can't be protected this year.

Would be funny if after literally even the most ardent Duke Johnson truthers have given up that he turns in the dream season we've all been hoping for.

 

[icehouse]

Y'all dropping or holding?

 

[SoBeDad]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

Mostert play well yesterday, no holes, but his tough running between the tackles surprised me. He had a nice 16 yard catch and run. He's not gonna get cut.

 

[Chaka]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

I am not so concerned about Mason or TDP as it's Wilson's job ATM. We'll find out who the presumptive backup is next week.

But I will point out how non predictive so many of these numbers are individually or as a group. According to the SPARQ site Alfred Morris ran a 4.67, which blows up the notion that a 4.6 guy can't perform in Shanahan's system before it can even get out of dry-dock. (Frank Gore is apparently Morris's best SPARQ como and he ran a 4.63).

SPARQ tries to take a holistic approach towards analyzing combine/pro day data. But it still fails to have even a shred of predictive value. SPARQ can't test for vision, or balance, or decision making. 3-cone & short shuttle drills may tell you how fast a player can move laterally, but it can't tell me how fast a player can move laterally, identify a developing hole, plant their foot and go.

I doubt Mason or TDP develop into Arian Foster, or Alfred Morris or even Steve Slaton but that has nothing to to with any SPARQ score predicts. It's because an incredibly small % of all NFL athletes ever develop into those type of quality players. It's really darn difficult.

But the discussion and seeing it slowly develop over the course of the season is pure

 

[Chaka]

Y'all dropping or holding?

12 team, 16 roster slots, 9 starting, 7 bench, no IR slots.

Yes, I likely am dropping. Not sure for who yet. Maybe Wilson, James Robinson went undrafted, Julio looks like he may be a big surprise. Dunno.

 

[rockaction]

3-cone & short shuttle drills may tell you how fast a player can move laterally, but it can't tell me how fast a player can move laterally

Can it or can it not?

Look, speed scores and the like are predictive, but not in the way they're usually used. They can be used to weed out guys that run under or test below a certain threshold. Just because a guy runs a 4.4 forty doesn't mean he's a great back, but we can expect guys that test rather poorly to be poor backs. That's the way in which it is predictive.

 

[rockaction]

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m a 49ers fan FFS.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the guys leading the drumbeat for Mason. You're not doing that.

And perhaps I'm wrong, but so far my process of weeding guys out has yielded good results for the most part. I'm hesitant to abandon a process and stats that seem to have worked. Speed score and burst scores are two incredibly important stats when weeding guys out. They don't affirm, they simply confirm.

 

[Chaka]

3-cone & short shuttle drills may tell you how fast a player can move laterally, but it can't tell me how fast a player can move laterally

Can it or can it not?

Look, speed scores and the like are predictive, but not in the way they're usually used. They can be used to weed out guys that run under or test below a certain threshold. Just because a guy runs a 4.4 forty doesn't mean he's a great back, but we can expect guys that test rather poorly to be poor backs. That's the way in which it is predictive.

Why not include the entire quote? That seems odd.

but it can't tell me how fast a player can move laterally, identify a developing hole, plant their foot and go. ETA: And take a hit in the hole, maintain balance and gain positive yardage.

Of course there is some, very limited value to the combine but to suggest someone can't be a consequential football player because on one day in spring they ran 4.67 and not 4.58 seems very narrow. Again Alfred Morris apparently ran 4.63 (Mason apparently logged a 4.63 & 4.58 at his pro day).

The underwear Olympics constantly weeds out good football players and opens the gates for those who test well but can't play football. We all understand that football speed is much different than underwear speed. There are now entire industries built around improving combine performance and the drills used to improve for the combine are never used again when it comes time to lace 'em up.

Football and the combine are separate and distinct athleteic events.

FTR: I'm not trying to be all "I'M RIGHT! YOU'RE WRONG!" Hope it doesn't come across that way. I do enjoy the discussion.

 

[ffmail4me]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

Alfred Morris ran 4.63 at the combine. He had a D rating overall (47 out of 100 score). He ran for 1600+ yards and 13 TDs for Shanny in 2012, and 2 more straight 1000+ seasons. So I guess I have to assure you that you are the one wrong here.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Shouldn't the two Mitchell threads be combined into one?

The other one is the San Fran team thread.

Oh, ok. The title was changed and I thought it was a Mitchell thread.

It’s a bit confusing. I did a double take.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

All of Jordan Mason's Carries from the 49ers' PRESEASON Win Over the Vikings.

Good luck with that mediocrity. He may ascend to fantasy volume, and volume is king, but it won't be because of inherent talent or athleticism.

I’ll take it.

 

[menobrown]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

Alfred Morris ran 4.63 at the combine. He had a D rating overall (47 out of 100 score). He ran for 1600+ yards and 13 TDs for Shanny in 2012, and 2 more straight 1000+ seasons. So I guess I have to assure you that you are the one wrong here.

And it was is his dads team but same system that turned a 4.72 Terrell Davis into a HOF'er.

 

[Chaka]

I get that people have Mason and love him. I get that I had him and cut him in preseason. There may be personal bias. I doubt it. If you think a back can exist at around a 4.65 in a Shanahan system that tells me two things: you think Shanahan will alter his system, or that speed doesn't matter in the Shanahan system. Let me assure you that you'll be wrong on both counts. We're more likely to see him for a game or two before they pick up Mostert off of the street after he's cut from the Dolphins.

Alfred Morris ran 4.63 at the combine. He had a D rating overall (47 out of 100 score). He ran for 1600+ yards and 13 TDs for Shanny in 2012, and 2 more straight 1000+ seasons. So I guess I have to assure you that you are the one wrong here.

And it was is his dads team but same system that turned a 4.72 Terrell Davis into a HOF'er.

Yeah, I question the accuracy of that time. I'm pretty sure, way back then they measured the 40 using a sundial.

 

[Jamesinaz]

Well sad Mitchel owner here. So I need to hit the waiver wire. Wilson is available and I'll put in a claim. Not sure where I'll be in the list but since I'm going to be 0-1 (unless Courtland Sutton has a MONSTER game) I have a chance. Question is who to dump.

Mitchel? Is it worth hoping he comes back and has a great second half and uses a valuable roster spot to keep him losing one of my other waiver choices? Or dump him and just accept he might be great in November for someone else?

Nico Collins? Leaning this way for now. Not sure I'll stick with Mitchel for 8 weeks but not sure I can make myself dump him so fast.

Pickens?

Hines?

Dunno. Guess I'm going to need to get something. Next man up to replace him as is I got R Stevenson or A Robinson as my Flex players and move AJ Dilon to RB2

What's everyone else doing?

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

Anxiously awaiting updates.

Any Twitterers in here who follow the Tweets on stuff like this?

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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#49ers RB Eli Mitchell, who was quickly ruled out yesterday with a knee injury, is expected to miss some time, source said. He has an MRI this morning and that will determine the full extent. But Mitchell looking at a few weeks (or more) on the sidelines.

Interesting. Generally the team docs know when an ACL tear occurs before the MRI so this may be something closer to an MCL strain or meniscus tear. That still puts it on the 6 week time frame, no?

I get the impression it's a minimum of 3-4 weeks, maybe closer to 6 as you are posting.
That field was atrocious, I'm sure the footing was not good. Did it happen on a tackle or when he was trying to make a cut? Curious.

I think that’s a fair thing to bring up. Yeah, the guy has had a lot of injuries, but that field was professional malpractice yesterday. The Bears seriously should be heavily fined and should start having draft picks taken away if their field continues to be in such awful shape. They had significant problems last year as well. It’s inexcusable and it’s putting guys’ careers in jeopardy.

Did you see the hit? I don’t think the field had anything to do with it

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

Per Schefter:

49ers’ RB Elijah Mitchell is expected to be sidelined about two months with the sprained MCL that he suffered Sunday at Chicago, per league sources

That's depressing. I drafted Mitchell as the RB2 on multiple teams, I'm always looking for deep drafts and have a few options but this will definitely hamper things.

Pick up Mason. He will take this back field

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

Paging Mr. Mason, paging Mr. Mason, pickup the white courtesy phone and take over this backfield

You're asking a guy with this athletic testing to run the 49ers backfield.

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Let me do a Bugs Bunny:

No.

Have you ever heard of a guy named James Robinson? Scouts miss on studs with less than stellar metrics

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anxiously awaiting updates.

Any Twitterers in here who follow the Tweets on stuff like this?

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
40m

#49ers RB Eli Mitchell, who was quickly ruled out yesterday with a knee injury, is expected to miss some time, source said. He has an MRI this morning and that will determine the full extent. But Mitchell looking at a few weeks (or more) on the sidelines.

Interesting. Generally the team docs know when an ACL tear occurs before the MRI so this may be something closer to an MCL strain or meniscus tear. That still puts it on the 6 week time frame, no?

I get the impression it's a minimum of 3-4 weeks, maybe closer to 6 as you are posting.
That field was atrocious, I'm sure the footing was not good. Did it happen on a tackle or when he was trying to make a cut? Curious.

I think that’s a fair thing to bring up. Yeah, the guy has had a lot of injuries, but that field was professional malpractice yesterday. The Bears seriously should be heavily fined and should start having draft picks taken away if their field continues to be in such awful shape. They had significant problems last year as well. It’s inexcusable and it’s putting guys’ careers in jeopardy.

Did you see the hit? I don’t think the field had anything to do with it

I did not see the hit and was asking for clarity.

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

Paging Mr. Mason, paging Mr. Mason, pickup the white courtesy phone and take over this backfield

You're asking a guy with this athletic testing to run the 49ers backfield.

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Let me do a Bugs Bunny:

No.

I, for one, would like to see a bruiser like Mason get a chance.

Maybe he’ll be the one delivering punishment instead of receiving it for a nice change.

Exactly these speed backs sure last in this system! Bahaha

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

Anxiously awaiting updates.

Any Twitterers in here who follow the Tweets on stuff like this?

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
40m

#49ers RB Eli Mitchell, who was quickly ruled out yesterday with a knee injury, is expected to miss some time, source said. He has an MRI this morning and that will determine the full extent. But Mitchell looking at a few weeks (or more) on the sidelines.

Interesting. Generally the team docs know when an ACL tear occurs before the MRI so this may be something closer to an MCL strain or meniscus tear. That still puts it on the 6 week time frame, no?

I get the impression it's a minimum of 3-4 weeks, maybe closer to 6 as you are posting.
That field was atrocious, I'm sure the footing was not good. Did it happen on a tackle or when he was trying to make a cut? Curious.

I think that’s a fair thing to bring up. Yeah, the guy has had a lot of injuries, but that field was professional malpractice yesterday. The Bears seriously should be heavily fined and should start having draft picks taken away if their field continues to be in such awful shape. They had significant problems last year as well. It’s inexcusable and it’s putting guys’ careers in jeopardy.

Did you see the hit? I don’t think the field had anything to do with it

I did not see the hit and was asking for clarity.

Elijah Mitchell GRUESOME knee injury slow motion 😬

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Sorry for the terrible music choice in the vid

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

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Kid can play football. Everyone is asleep picking up Wilson. If you can’t see the talent then I don’t know what to tell ya

 

[kyoun1e]

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Kid can play football. Everyone is asleep picking up Wilson. If you can’t see the talent then I don’t know what to tell ya

My eyes see the same thing in this kid I must say.

I picked up WIlson just prior to week #1. The guy has always had a place in my heart after helping with a championship a couple years ago. That and Eli's injury history made him a great lotto ticket to have.

Now, I wouldn't mind having both Wilson and Mason. I'd have to drop another darling Pacheco to do it though. Not sure I can drop that upside.

 

[Chaka]

Dropped him for James Robinson. Jeff Wilson was available too.

Already have Mason.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Dropped him for James Robinson

He was available?

 

[Chaka]

Dropped him for James Robinson

He was available?

No, I lied.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Field Yates] With Elijah Mitchell on IR, the 49ers worked out RBs Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Nate McCrary, Abram Smith, La’Mical Perine, Godwin, Igwebuike and hosted Marlon Mack on a visit.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Schefter] 49ers are signing former Texans’ RB Marlon Mack to their practice squad, per source.

 

[Chaka]

[Schefter] 49ers are signing former Texans’ RB Marlon Mack to their practice squad, per source.

I want to say something like "It begins" but this still feels more like warming up the orchestra as we get ready for 16 more weeks of this.

 

[Loris]

Are people still gonna pick up Mason on the waiver this week after the news of the Mack signing?

 

[Chaka]

Are people still gonna pick up Mason on the waiver this week after the news of the Mack signing?

I'm not dropping Mason...yet. However there is a non-zero chance I do before kickoff on Sunday.

 

[King of the Jungle]

RB mess for sure. However Kyle proved last year that he is not afraid to give the keys to a rookie RB. I like the idea of picking up Mason if you have the room and see how it plays out. Cheap drop if something else comes up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

[Field Yates] With Elijah Mitchell on IR, the 49ers worked out RBs Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Nate McCrary, Abram Smith, La’Mical Perine, Godwin, Igwebuike and hosted Marlon Mack on a visit.

@ohio#1eaglesfan

I hope we can have a discussion and I want to identify some points we don't need to rehash

-With great detail you have explained your POV on the Niners RB and anyone can see that you clearly feel you have the tape and evidence to point towards Mason and you even have guys like Baldy doing some of the heavy lifting in the media...

-But as a logical minded person that has been very vocal and open with my takes and POV over the last 20-25 years around here, you have to at least ask why are the Niners working out so many RBs if they have the Rubik's Cube already on the roster? I'm asking because there was a report that Wilson is on another level all together from anyone they have behind him including Mason and that other Rookie. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel awkward, on the contrary I rather enjoy your passionate viewpoint. However, with the SF 49'ers working out so many RBs that look washed up or just are not very good at this point, to me it shows a red flag and it might be as simple as the 2 Rookies including Mason are simply not ready. They can break tackles, slide thru holes, make 1 step cuts, but maybe they don't do very well at picking up the blitz? Not just on 3rd Down but any down they are out there. It's conjecture but something is missing because when a guy is talented and especially at RB, if they're the goods it usually translates immediately on the field.

It's possible your boy Mason might look sensational on a drive with 3/32 on the ground but the next play he misses a blocking assignment that causes a turnover and nullifies the good he does when he is slashing thru holes.

I'm confused by all these dead weight out of shape RBs they auditioned today when they have 3 healthy guys on the roster.

 

[King of the Jungle]

[Field Yates] With Elijah Mitchell on IR, the 49ers worked out RBs Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Nate McCrary, Abram Smith, La’Mical Perine, Godwin, Igwebuike and hosted Marlon Mack on a visit.

@ohio#1eaglesfan

I hope we can have a discussion and I want to identify some points we don't need to rehash

-With great detail you have explained your POV on the Niners RB and anyone can see that you clearly feel you have the tape and evidence to point towards Mason and you even have guys like Baldy doing some of the heavy lifting in the media...

-But as a logical minded person that has been very vocal and open with my takes and POV over the last 20-25 years around here, you have to at least ask why are the Niners working out so many RBs if they have the Rubik's Cube already on the roster? I'm asking because there was a report that Wilson is on another level all together from anyone they have behind him including Mason and that other Rookie. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel awkward, on the contrary I rather enjoy your passionate viewpoint. However, with the SF 49'ers working out so many RBs that look washed up or just are not very good at this point, to me it shows a red flag and it might be as simple as the 2 Rookies including Mason are simply not ready. They can break tackles, slide thru holes, make 1 step cuts, but maybe they don't do very well at picking up the blitz? Not just on 3rd Down but any down they are out there. It's conjecture but something is missing because when a guy is talented and especially at RB, if they're the goods it usually translates immediately on the field.

It's possible your boy Mason might look sensational on a drive with 3/32 on the ground but the next play he misses a blocking assignment that causes a turnover and nullifies the good he does when he is slashing thru holes.

I'm confused by all these dead weight out of shape RBs they auditioned today when they have 3 healthy guys on the roster.

I understand your logical take. I also think it is possible because the running game is so vital to Kyle’s offense that having backs that know the system is important. This especially true because of the injuries they have had to the position over the years. I am not saying Mason is the dude, however from an FF standpoint he is a cheap dart throw. Were you one of the one percenters that had Mitchell on their roster last year before he broke out?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

[Field Yates] With Elijah Mitchell on IR, the 49ers worked out RBs Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Nate McCrary, Abram Smith, La’Mical Perine, Godwin, Igwebuike and hosted Marlon Mack on a visit.

@ohio#1eaglesfan

I hope we can have a discussion and I want to identify some points we don't need to rehash

-With great detail you have explained your POV on the Niners RB and anyone can see that you clearly feel you have the tape and evidence to point towards Mason and you even have guys like Baldy doing some of the heavy lifting in the media...

-But as a logical minded person that has been very vocal and open with my takes and POV over the last 20-25 years around here, you have to at least ask why are the Niners working out so many RBs if they have the Rubik's Cube already on the roster? I'm asking because there was a report that Wilson is on another level all together from anyone they have behind him including Mason and that other Rookie. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel awkward, on the contrary I rather enjoy your passionate viewpoint. However, with the SF 49'ers working out so many RBs that look washed up or just are not very good at this point, to me it shows a red flag and it might be as simple as the 2 Rookies including Mason are simply not ready. They can break tackles, slide thru holes, make 1 step cuts, but maybe they don't do very well at picking up the blitz? Not just on 3rd Down but any down they are out there. It's conjecture but something is missing because when a guy is talented and especially at RB, if they're the goods it usually translates immediately on the field.

It's possible your boy Mason might look sensational on a drive with 3/32 on the ground but the next play he misses a blocking assignment that causes a turnover and nullifies the good he does when he is slashing thru holes.

I'm confused by all these dead weight out of shape RBs they auditioned today when they have 3 healthy guys on the roster.

I understand your logical take. I also think it is possible because the running game is so vital to Kyle’s offense that having backs that know the system is important. This especially true because of the injuries they have had to the position over the years. I am not saying Mason is the dude, however from an FF standpoint he is a cheap dart throw. Were you one of the one percenters that had Mitchell on their roster last year before he broke out?

Good question, I got burned on Sermon since I didn't do my homework as well last year when it came to SF. I saw 3rd Rd rookie and hitched my wagon, didn't take long to ditch him and get on board with Elijah and that's why I was hot for him again this year and still don't think Shanahan will play anyone else when Mitchell returns form the MCL in 8 weeks. That might be naive but they talk about Elijah like he is almost irreplaceable which I find a bit much from the coaches but they love Mitchell. Trey Sermon being gone in a year after a 3rd Round investment, this staff and FO are not afraid to admit a mistake and move on.

Lot of the beat writers that were at camp and watch them practice, many say Wilson is the clear #2, he doesn't excite me and didn't look that great to me last year coming off a big injury and he still looks just average to me. There didn't seem to be any commitment to bring along insurance which in this case would have been an active Mason or a guy ready to take touches if Mitchell went down. he did miss 6 games out of 17 as a rookie, surprised SF didn't plan ahead. MoP didn't plan ahead very well wither it seems

 

[King of the Jungle]

[Field Yates] With Elijah Mitchell on IR, the 49ers worked out RBs Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Nate McCrary, Abram Smith, La’Mical Perine, Godwin, Igwebuike and hosted Marlon Mack on a visit.

@ohio#1eaglesfan

I hope we can have a discussion and I want to identify some points we don't need to rehash

-With great detail you have explained your POV on the Niners RB and anyone can see that you clearly feel you have the tape and evidence to point towards Mason and you even have guys like Baldy doing some of the heavy lifting in the media...

-But as a logical minded person that has been very vocal and open with my takes and POV over the last 20-25 years around here, you have to at least ask why are the Niners working out so many RBs if they have the Rubik's Cube already on the roster? I'm asking because there was a report that Wilson is on another level all together from anyone they have behind him including Mason and that other Rookie. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel awkward, on the contrary I rather enjoy your passionate viewpoint. However, with the SF 49'ers working out so many RBs that look washed up or just are not very good at this point, to me it shows a red flag and it might be as simple as the 2 Rookies including Mason are simply not ready. They can break tackles, slide thru holes, make 1 step cuts, but maybe they don't do very well at picking up the blitz? Not just on 3rd Down but any down they are out there. It's conjecture but something is missing because when a guy is talented and especially at RB, if they're the goods it usually translates immediately on the field.

It's possible your boy Mason might look sensational on a drive with 3/32 on the ground but the next play he misses a blocking assignment that causes a turnover and nullifies the good he does when he is slashing thru holes.

I'm confused by all these dead weight out of shape RBs they auditioned today when they have 3 healthy guys on the roster.

I understand your logical take. I also think it is possible because the running game is so vital to Kyle’s offense that having backs that know the system is important. This especially true because of the injuries they have had to the position over the years. I am not saying Mason is the dude, however from an FF standpoint he is a cheap dart throw. Were you one of the one percenters that had Mitchell on their roster last year before he broke out?

Good question, I got burned on Sermon since I didn't do my homework as well last year when it came to SF. I saw 3rd Rd rookie and hitched my wagon, didn't take long to ditch him and get on board with Elijah and that's why I was hot for him again this year and still don't think Shanahan will play anyone else when Mitchell returns form the MCL in 8 weeks. That might be naive but they talk about Elijah like he is almost irreplaceable which I find a bit much from the coaches but they love Mitchell. Trey Sermon being gone in a year after a 3rd Round investment, this staff and FO are not afraid to admit a mistake and move on.

Lot of the beat writers that were at camp and watch them practice, many say Wilson is the clear #2, he doesn't excite me and didn't look that great to me last year coming off a big injury and he still looks just average to me. There didn't seem to be any commitment to bring along insurance which in this case would have been an active Mason or a guy ready to take touches if Mitchell went down. he did miss 6 games out of 17 as a rookie, surprised SF didn't plan ahead. MoP didn't plan ahead very well wither it seems

I personally think Kyle will do whatever gives the 49ers the best chance to win. I wouldn’t be shocked if we saw Jimmy G soon if the losses pile up. But you may be right, he may have loyalty to Mitchell but I think a big part of that is Mitchell produced. If someone else produces he may just stick with them because Mitchell has proven to be injury prone or maybe when he returns he will ride him until he gets hurt again. Nobody knows, but throwing a cheap dart at a historically good running team isn’t the worst strategy in the world.

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

[Field Yates] With Elijah Mitchell on IR, the 49ers worked out RBs Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Nate McCrary, Abram Smith, La’Mical Perine, Godwin, Igwebuike and hosted Marlon Mack on a visit.

@ohio#1eaglesfan

I hope we can have a discussion and I want to identify some points we don't need to rehash

-With great detail you have explained your POV on the Niners RB and anyone can see that you clearly feel you have the tape and evidence to point towards Mason and you even have guys like Baldy doing some of the heavy lifting in the media...

-But as a logical minded person that has been very vocal and open with my takes and POV over the last 20-25 years around here, you have to at least ask why are the Niners working out so many RBs if they have the Rubik's Cube already on the roster? I'm asking because there was a report that Wilson is on another level all together from anyone they have behind him including Mason and that other Rookie. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel awkward, on the contrary I rather enjoy your passionate viewpoint. However, with the SF 49'ers working out so many RBs that look washed up or just are not very good at this point, to me it shows a red flag and it might be as simple as the 2 Rookies including Mason are simply not ready. They can break tackles, slide thru holes, make 1 step cuts, but maybe they don't do very well at picking up the blitz? Not just on 3rd Down but any down they are out there. It's conjecture but something is missing because when a guy is talented and especially at RB, if they're the goods it usually translates immediately on the field.

It's possible your boy Mason might look sensational on a drive with 3/32 on the ground but the next play he misses a blocking assignment that causes a turnover and nullifies the good he does when he is slashing thru holes.

I'm confused by all these dead weight out of shape RBs they auditioned today when they have 3 healthy guys on the roster.

I like talking sleeper rbs too! It’s my favorite position and I always try to find cheap shares with lots of potential.

Here’s a couple quotes from Shanny.

And what's your comfort level now with the guys you have behind him? RB Jeff Wilson Jr. and RB Jordan Mason and RB Ty Davis-Price?

"We've always been comfortable with Jeff just because of his experience and what he has done here. We know what we're going to get. The other two guys, they made our team for a reason. They're two talented players who we think can help us a lot running the ball, but they have to grow up fast. They're trying to compete and learn how to play better without the ball in their hand. With injuries, they're going to have more opportunities to get some carries, but they have to grow up and get this experience while on the run. So a lot of more pressure will be on those guys and we're going to have to pick it up as a group to help them out."

I think Shanny didn’t trust Mason yet because they weren’t planning on using him week 1. I think him and TDP are battling right now to see who can perform these assignments. He has already stated he believes they can be starting rbs on 1st and 2nd down. I believe Mason has decent receiving ability but just needs more work in blocking assignments.

You lost your top running back last year during Week One as well, what lessons, if any, do you take from that experience? And now without Elijah Mitchell for some time.

"That's why we've been drafting one every year too. I think our first year here with [former 49ers RB] Carlos Hyde was the only year that we've had where we didn't lose our starting running back. So I think this is the fifth year in a row and I think we've gone through at least four throughout a year and we're already at that again. So it's something that has happened to us in the past. And that's why you can never have too many of them. Sometimes it feels like we have a lot and very quickly, it now feels like you don't because those numbers end fast. So we hope to have better luck with that in the future, but hopefully we can hold down the fort here a little bit and when Elijah comes back, he's coming back to a better team and helping us make a run."

Shanny has already stated that last year scared him when he lost Morstert and then Mitchell. I think he just wants bodies in the room that he knows can run(Sermon couldn’t).

How much do you look at Deebo's impact? And obviously QB Trey Lance's running ability as a way to sort of adapt without Elijah?

"Yeah, that's always an option, but you need to get that production from running backs too. I thought we got that production from Deebo in the game. I thought we got it from Trey in the game, so they did that there. And we have to make sure that we have the backs step it up too. And hopefully one of those guys or all those guys collectively can help with that production that we always count on Elijah for."

Shanny kind of throws Wilson under the bus here and is maybe a reason they are bringing in other backs. He says that Deebo and Lance stepped up but doesn’t say the same for Wilson. The part I bolded is my favorite part. It tells me he doesn’t care who it is and the best man will win. I still think it will be Mason and all he needs is an opportunity.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Buy real low on Mitchell in dynasty or not worth the trouble?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Are people still gonna pick up Mason on the waiver this week after the news of the Mack signing?

signing Mack to the practice squad seems irrelevant to Wilson or Mason….