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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (2 Viewers)

Iceman03 said:
That money is a sunk cost now. Why would they stop or encourage Garrett to do anything but run him?
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Because you want to get something for your money. 80% of Zeke for the next 4 years is better than 100% for 3 because you lose him to injury. 

 
NFL Network's Jane Slater reports "the plan right now" is for Ezekiel Elliott to get 20-25 reps against the Giants Week 1.

We assume "reps" means snaps, not touches, in Slater's report, as she mentions rookie Tony Pollard will work in behind Elliott, and FB Jamize Olawale could handle some third downs as a premier pass protector. In years past when players have returned from lengthy holdouts, there are always reports of teams slowly working the player back in, but that can always go by the wayside. For now, we're still treating Elliott as an elite RB1 play in a mouthwatering Week 1 matchup. It would be easy to see him play far more than 20-25 snaps, which is less than half of a pro football game.
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I just saw a report, since 2016 even with missing 8 games lead the league with 10+ yard rushes carries:

Zeke 110 rushes

Howard 93 rushes 

Guey 91 rushes

Gordon 85 rushes

Zeke’s a beast, can’t forget how he rip through the championship run in 2015 with 696 yards against Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon. We still haven’t seen anything like that.

Tex

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Jerry doesn't seem like the type that worries about "then" at the expense of "now". And the coaching staff has been on the hot seat for about three seasons now so they're going to ride their horses and not worrying about three years down the road either.
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It’s like everyone who doesn’t pay attention to the team is stuck in 1995. 

What the hell are you talking about? 

 
They'll be fine.  It's a lot of $$, but since they're investing in the OL as well - perhaps paying extra for a RB will have a cumulative effect that other teams don't really see. Personally not sure he's "worth" it, from a pure wins/losses standpoint, but you took the guy with a high premium draft pick - and he lived up, so you almost have to double down. Sometimes being the team do their own thing when the other 31 teams are all built a certain way pays off.

 
humpback said:
Still need to see the specific details. Seems like a lot (and it is), but if the guarantees make it essentially a 4 year deal or so, then it may not be so bad. Also curious what outs/stipulations may be in there.
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It is a 6 year extension.  On top of the 2 years remaining.  That much I know. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
It was pretty clear - do you not think Zeke is going to see a heavy workload?
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I didn’t read the post you quoted carefully enough. I thought you were talking like Jerry was spending frivolously like he used to before Stephen wa sin charge. 

I havent slept much in days forgive me. 

 
Milkman said:
Because you want to get something for your money. 80% of Zeke for the next 4 years is better than 100% for 3 because you lose him to injury. 
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There's no guarantee that he won't be lost to injury at 80% or that he will be at 100%. There's very little chance that they lighten his workload substantially IMO- sure, he may not see another preseason snap in his career and will likely be given the veteran treatment in camp going forward. In a blowout or meaningless game at the end of the year? Sure, I can see it (although that's already happened), but in a 1 score game in the 4th quarter? Not likely at all IMO.

 
[icon] said:
Even a 4 year deal makes it the next 6Yrs at $63MM. 

350 Touches in 2016
425 Touch Pace in 2017 (10G at this pace)
380 Touches in 2018 

Methinks they’ve got to pull him back to 2016 levels or so. Maybe less. 
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It is a 6 year extension.  In addition to the 2 years remaining on his rookie contract.  He is locked up (at least as far as the Cowboys are concerned) for the next 8 seasons.  

 
[icon] said:
So does ANYONE think Jerry continues to give Zeke 380 touches when he’s on the hook for between $63MM and $103MM over the next 8 years? 

Serious question. 

Surely they spread the workload around or risk paying $15MM/yr for mashed potatoes oozing downhill in the second half of this deal. 
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Agree, that's why they drafted Pollard.

 
Iceman03 said:
He wants a Super Bowl before he crokes... he doesn’t give a #### about usage. 
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Winning a super bowl is every team's goal.  Anyone with a brain knows it's not any one year, it's usually a window.  For the Cowboys that window starts now until the Dak/Zeke era is over.  The Cowboys want that window to be open as long as possible.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Gordon isn’t nearly as good or as important to the Chargers offense as Zeke. That’s why he has far less leverage.
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Agree, but he does have a worth (price).  That's what the negotiations figure out.  If the team doesn't want to negotiate he has no leverage, case in point.

 
tonydead said:
Yeah?

It will be reported something like a 6 year deal worth 90 mil (15 mil a year) the truth will involve something like this:

Cowboys want both remaining years to count so you have to add that in and it would really be 8 year 103 mil (12.8 mil a year).  Of course a big signing bonus so Zeke gets a chunk up from and a healthy amount guaranteed.  

If the only thing left is the 5th year to count it shouldn't be too hard to deal with, he stood to make 9 million anyway, that's not very far off 12.8.  Of course it's one year less the Cowboys will have him for before we do this all again.
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Nailed it. 8 years 103 million.

 
By comparison Gurley's contract was really 6 years 10.5 mil with a potential out after year 4 (2022): $49 mil and $4 dead in cap.   The big difference is in guaranteed money. $45 mill which is 71% if the total contract.  Yes Zeke's is technically $5 million more, but, it's only half the total contract.  That makes it much easier to let go if you need too half way through.  I've heard the Cowboys have an out starting after year 3. 

Franchise tag is 11.2 million and counting, all of it counts against the cap.  Zeke was scheduled to make $9 million next year on the 5th year extension. Would it have been better to do it next year?  That's hard to say.

 
matuski said:
Not really... both sides were interested in paying him.

If the team wasn't interested, there would be jack squat Zeke could do about it.  No leverage at all.
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On the sentence level, it works that Zeke had no leverage if the team wasn't interested.  But on a paragraph level, your logic is all mangled.  As you've stipulated, the Cowboys were interested.  Therefore, he had substantial leverage.

 
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cobalt_27 said:
On the sentence level, it works that Zeke had no leverage if the team wasn't interested.  But on a paragraph level, your logic is all mangled.  As you've stipulated, the Cowboys were interested.  Therefore, he had substantial leverage.
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Right, what I said was his leverage was granted to him by the team (not true negotiating leverage, simply a mutual interest).  As the leverage was gifted, it could be taken away.

Seems we agree.

 
cobalt_27 said:
You've made your confusion perfectly clear to everyone.
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I'm clear... but this is helping me pass the time.

If you need any further help comprehending Zeke's lack of true leverage if push came to shove, I'm here for another 30 mins or so to help!

 
So snap counts for a week or two and a playoff schedule that is Bears/Rams/Eagles.  Non factor or does he jump up to a #1/#2 pick for those who haven't drafted?

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
What are Gurleys cap hits? And when can LAR get out of their deal?

https://mobile.twitter.com/spotrac/status/1169354479222829058 
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It's pretty similar if you look at cap hits and when they can get out of the contracts, as compared to the when signed (1 year apart).  Cowboys save 3 mil in cap this year where Rams added 3 last year.   The biggest difference is it's longer, Zeke will be under contract in 2025 and 2026 and will be paid 15 mil and 16 mil respectively with no dead cap. I might be retired before Zeke is.

 
tonydead said:
It's pretty similar if you look at cap hits and when they can get out of the contracts, as compared to the when signed (1 year apart).  Cowboys save 3 mil in cap this year where Rams added 3 last year.   The biggest difference is it's longer, Zeke will be under contract in 2025 and 2026 and will be paid 15 mil and 16 mil respectively with no dead cap. I might be retired before Zeke is.
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Unless they decide they want out after 2022

 
It looks like this is a 4 yr extension for 58 mil, with 2 option yrs

And 30 mil of it is base salary which is voided if he gets suspended for anything.

At least that’s what I’m reading. Better than I originally thought 

 
Gopher State said:
I had a dream that Z broke his ankle on his first rushing attempt this year🙀
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👎🏼 Very poor taste post. You might want to focus your energy into the hope Bulaga makes it into the 2nd quarter 

 
Meh, Gopher is a good guy. I have a lot of weird dreams. Although I've never dreamt about some other team. 

Zeke gets 20 touches and Pollard gets 10. More about keeping Zeke fresh for the season and a long career than him not being in camp, imo. Unless it's a blowout, then it might be 12 and 12. 

 
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