RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (9 Viewers)

[LionOfGosforth]

Still showing out on ESPN and yet reported to be playing and not injured or suspended (yet)

 

[Crash Davis]

It's not crazy that he's available in some leagues. He's available in my 4 bench spot 10 teamer but I have a feeling that the Ekeler owner will snatch him up next week if I wait. I want to grab him now since Ekeler is locked for him until the next FAAB run, but my RBs are my strength and already half of my bench with CMC, C.Brown, Hall and Chubb. Not sure I want to drop Chubb for him at this point.

 

[Doubles]

It's not crazy that he's available in some leagues. He's available in my 4 bench spot 10 teamer but I have a feeling that the Ekeler owner will snatch him up next week if I wait. I want to grab him now since Ekeler is locked for him until the next FAAB run, but my RBs are my strength and already half of my bench with CMC, C.Brown, Hall and Chubb. Not sure I want to drop Chubb for him at this point.

I would. I wouldn’t roster Chubb in a ten team short bench league. Too much firepower on rosters and available Chubb like production or better on the wire. Just my opinion.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Expected to make debut Sunday.

Jeremy Fowler

https://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1966868718459269616

#Browns RB Quinshon Judkins (questionable) is expected to make his NFL debut Sunday vs. #Ravens, per sources.

 

[mjb03003]

It's not crazy that he's available in some leagues. He's available in my 4 bench spot 10 teamer but I have a feeling that the Ekeler owner will snatch him up next week if I wait. I want to grab him now since Ekeler is locked for him until the next FAAB run, but my RBs are my strength and already half of my bench with CMC, C.Brown, Hall and Chubb. Not sure I want to drop Chubb for him at this point.

I would. I wouldn’t roster Chubb in a ten team short bench league. Too much firepower on rosters and available Chubb like production or better on the wire. Just my opinion.

Agree with this. Drop Chubb for Judkins.

 

[Ilov80s]

It's not crazy that he's available in some leagues. He's available in my 4 bench spot 10 teamer but I have a feeling that the Ekeler owner will snatch him up next week if I wait. I want to grab him now since Ekeler is locked for him until the next FAAB run, but my RBs are my strength and already half of my bench with CMC, C.Brown, Hall and Chubb. Not sure I want to drop Chubb for him at this point.

I would. I wouldn’t roster Chubb in a ten team short bench league. Too much firepower on rosters and available Chubb like production or better on the wire. Just my opinion.

Agree with this. Drop Chubb for Judkins.

No brainer. Chubb isn’t really valuable until you hit maybe 14 teams. He should be rostered in 12 but just barely.

 

[Crash Davis]

While I disagree a bit on Chubb's value, mostly because I'm skeptical of Mixon coming back anytime soon, the reality is I'm not starting him over CMC, Brown, or Hall unless there are multiple injuries. Judkins' upside is worth more than that insurance to me. He could turn into a tradable asset at the least where that's less likely with Chubb. I pulled the trigger, thanks for the kick in the butt, lol.

 

[electric Ape]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

 

[steelwind]

Browns activate QJ for Sun.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ctivate-quinshon-judkins-for-sunday-at-ravens

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Pity he has to face Ravens, then the NFC North buzzsaw but fingers crossed he looks the part

 

[FGITLOTR]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

great post. I think he’s definitely the #2 RB in this class , and those who got cheap dynasty shares are in for a fun ride.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

Thanks.

I think there have been legitimate concerns over his availability this summer. I wouldn't say it drowned anything out though. I don't think most people question his ability.

Now that we're getting some clarity (but not yet total clarity) on the availability, this gets much more interesting.

Should be one of the more fun players to watch this Sunday.

 

[Joe Bryant]

@electric Ape and @FGITLOTR and anyone else, where would your rank Judkins among RBs in a PPR redraft league for rest of season?

 

[menobrown]

Mary Kay Cabot is predicting about a dozen carries if that helps anyone.

That's a lot more then I was anticipating.

 

[TripItUp]

Mary Kay Cabot is predicting about a dozen carries if that helps anyone.

That's a lot more then I was anticipating.

It is not, however, more than I was anticipating because anybody who has watched Judkins play knows he is by far the best runningback on the roster.

Now all of sudden the Judkins naysayers(who probably haven't seen him play) are shocked that Judkins is in line to make an immediate impact??

Make it make sense.

 

[menobrown]

Mary Kay Cabot is predicting about a dozen carries if that helps anyone.

That's a lot more then I was anticipating.

It is not, however, more than I was anticipating because anybody who has watched Judkins play knows he is by far the best runningback on the roster.

Now all of sudden the Judkins naysayers(who probably haven't seen him play) are shocked that Judkins is in line to make an immediate impact??

Make it make sense.

We all could use a hype person in our lives like you do for Judkins.

It's a surprise to me not because there is a question of who is the most talented RB but because of his absence from the team, training camp and practice time. This should not be hard to understand.

 

[travdogg]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

Thanks.

I think there have been legitimate concerns over his availability this summer. I wouldn't say it drowned anything out though. I don't think anyone questions his ability.

Now that we're getting some clarity (but not yet total clarity) on the availability, this gets much more interesting.

Should be one of the more fun players to watch this Sunday.

I kinda go the other way on the bolded. I think his availability issues, have drowned out his flaws as a prospect. I think he's been overrated strictly as a talent all along.

I'm not saying he's not an NFL player or anything like that, and I agree I'd rather have Judkins than Chubb in redraft, but I think this idea that Judkins is this great prospect, who owners who "bought the dip" are gonna reap great rewards from is flawed. I'd still say its 50-50 he's the RB to own on the Browns, and that's not factoring in a possible suspension down the line.

 

[Ilov80s]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

Thanks.

I think there have been legitimate concerns over his availability this summer. I wouldn't say it drowned anything out though. I don't think anyone questions his ability.

Now that we're getting some clarity (but not yet total clarity) on the availability, this gets much more interesting.

Should be one of the more fun players to watch this Sunday.

I kinda go the other way on the bolded. I think his availability issues, have drowned out his flaws as a prospect. I think he's been overrated strictly as a talent all along.

I'm not saying he's not an NFL player or anything like that, and I agree I'd rather have Judkins than Chubb in redraft, but I think this idea that Judkins is this great prospect, who owners who "bought the dip" are gonna reap great rewards from is flawed. I'd still say its 50-50 he's the RB to own on the Browns, and that's not factoring in a possible suspension down the line.

For his pedigree and where he went in the NFL draft, it does seem like there is more mixed opinions on him than you typically see.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Mary Kay Cabot is predicting about a dozen carries if that helps anyone.

That's a lot more then I was anticipating.

Thanks. That's more than I was thinking too. Do you have a link for where she said/wrote that?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

Thanks.

I think there have been legitimate concerns over his availability this summer. I wouldn't say it drowned anything out though. I don't think anyone questions his ability.

Now that we're getting some clarity (but not yet total clarity) on the availability, this gets much more interesting.

Should be one of the more fun players to watch this Sunday.

I kinda go the other way on the bolded. I think his availability issues, have drowned out his flaws as a prospect. I think he's been overrated strictly as a talent all along.

I'm not saying he's not an NFL player or anything like that, and I agree I'd rather have Judkins than Chubb in redraft, but I think this idea that Judkins is this great prospect, who owners who "bought the dip" are gonna reap great rewards from is flawed. I'd still say its 50-50 he's the RB to own on the Browns, and that's not factoring in a possible suspension down the line.

Sure. I should have said "most people" not "anyone". There will always be different opinions.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Found it.

Browns RB Quinshon Judkins activated for Ravens game and will make his NFL debut; rookie WR waived

Quinshon Judkins has been activated for the Ravens game and will make his NFL debut.

www.cleveland.com

Please folks let's always include links.

Judkins, who led the Buckeyes with 1,060 yards rushing and 16 TDs last season, will likely get at least a dozen carries against the Ravens, but it will all depend on how he’s doing. If he can handle more action against the NFL’s No. 1-ranked defense from 2024 he’ll get.

 

[menobrown]

Mary Kay Cabot is predicting about a dozen carries if that helps anyone.

That's a lot more then I was anticipating.

Thanks. That's more than I was thinking too. Do you have a link for where she said/wrote that?

https://x.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1966902039075566023

 

[Joe Bryant]

Cabot is often considered a mouthpiece for the team. Really interesting to see "at least" a dozen carries.

 

[menobrown]

Found it.

Browns RB Quinshon Judkins activated for Ravens game and will make his NFL debut; rookie WR waived

Quinshon Judkins has been activated for the Ravens game and will make his NFL debut.

www.cleveland.com

Please folks let's always include links.

I don't know how to link from the twitter APP on my phone to this forum.

If people prefer I just never mention what I read that's fine. Never really agreed with feeling like people always need to provide a link. Most of this stuff is easy to double check especially when like me I'm giving you the source. Might be something else if someone said "I'm hearing so and so" and never said who or where they were hearing it. Like I'm sure it took you as much or less time to source it as it did me to post a link.

I did up provided a link, late, because you asked. But really if I got to from my phone to computer to link every time I read something I'll just pass and sit on the info and let someone else post it.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Tough loss last week for CLE. If they deem Judkins ready, they will feed him all he can handle if he is producing.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Found it.

Browns RB Quinshon Judkins activated for Ravens game and will make his NFL debut; rookie WR waived

Quinshon Judkins has been activated for the Ravens game and will make his NFL debut.

www.cleveland.com

Please folks let's always include links.

I don't know how to link from the twitter APP on my phone to this forum.

If people prefer I just never mention what I read that's fine. Never really agreed with feeling like people always need to provide a link. Most of this stuff is easy to double check especially when like me I'm giving you the source. Might be something else if someone said "I'm hearing so and so" and never said who or where they were hearing it. Like I'm sure it took you as much or less time to source it as it did me to post a link.

I did up provided a link, late, because you asked. But really if I got to from my phone to computer to link every time I read something I'll just pass and sit on the info and let someone else post it.

Thanks. I posted instructions below.

We've always asked people to share where they're hearing things. It's a massive help in keeping things accurate.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't know how to link from the twitter APP on my phone to this forum.

From the Twitter app on iphone, there is an icon with an up arrow and a little box on the bottom right of the tweet.

If you touch that, it opens up the "Share Post" screen and then you can click "Copy Link".

Paste into the post here.

It's key for helping us all stay on the same page as the news moves fast. Thanks.

 

[electric Ape]

Tripitup and others have made a passionate (and I think accurate) case for QJ’s talent evaluation throughout this thread and largely it has been drowned out by a lot of non-football stuff.

For those holding QJ shares or staring at Quinshon on their waiver wire I’d just reiterate that he is very likely the second or third best prospect in a loaded RB class and his college tape is ridiculously good. In these kind of murky situations where there are significant non-football distractions and the team is assumed but not known to be a fantasy wasteland usually the best move is to roll the dice and bet on talent.

For those contemplating QJ in dynasty I know some pretty good models like the ZAP model have lowered his outlook due to lower passing game involvement in college. I think this is completely fair but only if you view it in the full context. One minor comment I’d add is that Cleveland seems to draft RBs more on traits than on college stats and they have a pretty damn good recent track record of turning backs without a ton of college receiving production into competent third down backs and productive NFL receivers. For reference see Jerome Ford. Even Dylan Sampson who caught 8 balls week 1 (and admittedly eye test wise looks smoother in the passing game than QJ) was not much of a pass catcher at Tennessee. QJ was at least equally productive as a college receiver as Sampson was and Sampson never had to share a college backfield with elite competition in the passing game like Treyveon.

Thanks.

I think there have been legitimate concerns over his availability this summer. I wouldn't say it drowned anything out though. I don't think anyone questions his ability.

Now that we're getting some clarity (but not yet total clarity) on the availability, this gets much more interesting.

Should be one of the more fun players to watch this Sunday.

I kinda go the other way on the bolded. I think his availability issues, have drowned out his flaws as a prospect. I think he's been overrated strictly as a talent all along.

I'm not saying he's not an NFL player or anything like that, and I agree I'd rather have Judkins than Chubb in redraft, but I think this idea that Judkins is this great prospect, who owners who "bought the dip" are gonna reap great rewards from is flawed. I'd still say its 50-50 he's the RB to own on the Browns, and that's not factoring in a possible suspension down the line.

I love these kinds of posts. Travdog, I know you’ve been a valued poster here and I know you know ball. I don’t want to assign you any work but I’d be interested to hear what you see on QJs tape that gives you concern and why you feel he may be overrated? I’ve watched him pretty closely and came away feeling bullish on his prospects, would love to better understand the bear case against him

 

[King of the Jungle]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon. Not the exact same running backs, but I feel Quinshon can offer similar rushing production if circumstances become right. Oddly enough both beginning their careers with concerning violent events (or at least allegedly for QJ).

 

[mcclusterihardlyknewher]

Still showing out on ESPN and yet reported to be playing and not injured or suspended (yet)

he's now been switched from O (out) to Q (questionable) on ESPN, just FYI -- not sure how that affects his ability to stay in IR spots over the weekend

 

[LionOfGosforth]

I'm just happy he's playing, he can't be any worse than Ken Walker last week

 

[steelwind]

This is gaining some hype. But I have been through the “Christine Michael” trains plenty before.
However, I have been trusting Cabot + Zegura for years. They are both very credible.
It does sound like Browns staff are open to riding the hot hand. And if that is QJ they will give him all he can handle. Sort of in the driver seat.
We could see up to 15 rushes. Cabot did state “at least 12”.
I’m shocked we are even in discussion of him impacting the game. Thought they will for sure put him on a snap count.
Just 3 days ago he was in NY.
By this Sun he could be the week2 pick up if the week.

 

[FGITLOTR]

FWIW, we're WAY higher in Judkins this week than many.

He's our RB36. Fantasy Pros has him RB66.

We'll see.

i think 36 is very fair

 

[King of the Jungle]

This is gaining some hype. But I have been through the “Christine Michael” trains plenty before.
However, I have been trusting Cabot + Zegura for years. They are both very credible.
It does sound like Browns staff are open to riding the hot hand. And if that is QJ they will give him all he can handle. Sort of in the driver seat.
We could see up to 15 rushes. Cabot did state “at least 12”.
I’m shocked we are even in discussion of him impacting the game. Thought they will for sure put him on a snap count.
Just 3 days ago he was in NY.
By this Sun he could be the week2 pick up if the week.

Stefanski is a good coach, and my guess is he is tired of losing. If Quinshon is churning yards, he will get all the opportunities needed if the game is close.

 

[electric Ape]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon. Not the exact same running backs, but I feel Quinshon can offer similar rushing production if circumstances become right. Oddly enough both beginning their careers with concerning violent events (or at least allegedly for QJ).

Joe Mixon is an odd comp to me. I guess NFL.com means more later career Joe Mixon? Early career Joe Mixon was patient almost to a fault sometimes whereas Judkins is noticeably more direct and more explosive.

If someone had the patience to go back 8 years you’d see many posts for me defending Mixon’s rookie struggles and predicting he’d have a good NFL career. So I like both players, I just don’t see a ton of overlap in their styles, I kind of feel like they win differently?

I don’t disagree with your take that they could offer similar levels of production. QJ has some catching up to do in the passing game though…

 

[Joe Bryant]

FWIW, we're WAY higher in Judkins this week than many.

He's our RB36. Fantasy Pros has him RB66.

We'll see.

i think 36 is very fair

Sorry. I was wrong there. He's not high for us yet but I can see him getting there.

 

[menobrown]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon. Not the exact same running backs, but I feel Quinshon can offer similar rushing production if circumstances become right. Oddly enough both beginning their careers with concerning violent events (or at least allegedly for QJ).

I can see that, especially from a size/athletic profile.

I kind of settled more on Marshawn Lynch.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon. Not the exact same running backs, but I feel Quinshon can offer similar rushing production if circumstances become right. Oddly enough both beginning their careers with concerning violent events (or at least allegedly for QJ).

Joe Mixon is an odd comp to me. I guess NFL.com means more later career Joe Mixon? Early career Joe Mixon was patient almost to a fault sometimes whereas Judkins is noticeably more direct and more explosive.

If someone had the patience to go back 8 years you’d see many posts for me defending Mixon’s rookie struggles and predicting he’d have a good NFL career. So I like both players, I just don’t see a ton of overlap in their styles, I kind of feel like they win differently?

I don’t disagree with your take that they could offer similar levels of production. QJ has some catching up to do in the passing game though…

I was speaking more from a rushing production standpoint, agree different styles and Mixon was definitely a better pass receiving prospect. For player comps I like one of Waldmans which was Chris Carson. Sorry, should have worded my original post better.

 

[electric Ape]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon. Not the exact same running backs, but I feel Quinshon can offer similar rushing production if circumstances become right. Oddly enough both beginning their careers with concerning violent events (or at least allegedly for QJ).

Joe Mixon is an odd comp to me. I guess NFL.com means more later career Joe Mixon? Early career Joe Mixon was patient almost to a fault sometimes whereas Judkins is noticeably more direct and more explosive.

If someone had the patience to go back 8 years you’d see many posts for me defending Mixon’s rookie struggles and predicting he’d have a good NFL career. So I like both players, I just don’t see a ton of overlap in their styles, I kind of feel like they win differently?

I don’t disagree with your take that they could offer similar levels of production. QJ has some catching up to do in the passing game though…

I was speaking more from a rushing production standpoint, agree different styles and Mixon was definitely a better pass receiving prospect. For player comps I like one of Waldmans which was Chris Carson. Sorry, should have worded my original post better.

Gotcha. No need to apologize, your posts are consistently interesting. And agreed on Waldman. If I can't evaluate a college player directly I seek out Waldman's opinion

 

[The Kerminator]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon. Not the exact same running backs, but I feel Quinshon can offer similar rushing production if circumstances become right. Oddly enough both beginning their careers with concerning violent events (or at least allegedly for QJ).

I can see that, especially from a size/athletic profile.

I kind of settled more on Marshawn Lynch.

I'll take Mixon or Lynch

 

[travdogg]

I kinda go the other way on the bolded. I think his availability issues, have drowned out his flaws as a prospect. I think he's been overrated strictly as a talent all along.

I'm not saying he's not an NFL player or anything like that, and I agree I'd rather have Judkins than Chubb in redraft, but I think this idea that Judkins is this great prospect, who owners who "bought the dip" are gonna reap great rewards from is flawed. I'd still say its 50-50 he's the RB to own on the Browns, and that's not factoring in a possible suspension down the line.

I love these kinds of posts. Travdog, I know you’ve been a valued poster here and I know you know ball. I don’t want to assign you any work but I’d be interested to hear what you see on QJs tape that gives you concern and why you feel he may be overrated? I’ve watched him pretty closely and came away feeling bullish on his prospects, would love to better understand the bear case against him

I think Judkins has ideal size for the position. His 40 time was a surprise to me, because I just didn't see THAT level of long speed. Love his acceleration, but if he'd been a 4,58 instead of 4.48, I wouldn't have been shocked. I think 4.48 is a little misleading, he didn't play to that speed in my opinion, unlike Omarion Hampton who did.

I think guys bounce off Judkins, and he has a nice stiff arm, but he's not elusive in the open field at all. He's a run to contact type. Good north-south, but not a playmaker sort of thing. I think people seeing the size/40 are maybe expecting a Nick Chubb type, and he's not that.

I think he's ok in the passing game, but a guy I'd expect to be taken off the field in passing situations, almost regardless of other RBs around him. He's got checkdown ability. not route runner ability. That's the difference between say a 20-30 catch guy, and a 60+ one.

The issue for me is, Ohio State was able to bully people at the LoS. I don't know that the Browns can, and if they can't, I can see Judkins being pretty inefficient this year, and that is assuming he plays all year, which I have no idea how that will go, though I wouldn't downgrade him with the expectation a suspension is a lock. I don't hate Judkins. I do think much like RJ Harvey he went a round higher than he should have, but both have talent. I just think he's nothing special. He's a little smaller and faster, but he kinda reminded me a little of Carlos Hyde at Ohio State. Where, if he has to create, I think he could struggle, but if there is a big hole, he's gonna find it, and be tough to bring down.

So, he's got some solid 2-down ability and struggles with making guys miss and the receiving game, well luckily Ohio State had a guy who excelled at both those things, but the issue is, so do the Browns with Dylan Sampson. I don't recall if its in the Sampson thread or the Browns thread, but someone said, the Browns probably had that in mind when they drafted Sampson, and I agree, they likely want something similar to what Ohio State had.

Long term, I think Sampson isn't going away. He's a really good RB, if he'd have gone ahead of Judkins in the draft, I wouldn't have been surprised. He's got better vision, elusiveness and receiving ability, and I'm not confident he won't have the better career, even if the Browns try to make Judkins happen first.

 

[TripItUp]

So, he's got some solid 2-down ability and struggles with making guys miss and the receiving game, well luckily Ohio State had a guy who excelled at both those things, but the issue is, so do the Browns with Dylan Sampson. I don't recall if its in the Sampson thread or the Browns thread, but someone said, the Browns probably had that in mind when they drafted Sampson, and I agree, they likely want something similar to what Ohio State had.

Long term, I think Sampson isn't going away. He's a really good RB, if he'd have gone ahead of Judkins in the draft, I wouldn't have been surprised. He's got better vision, elusiveness and receiving ability, and I'm not confident he won't have the better career, even if the Browns try to make Judkins happen first.

smells like backtracking

 

[electric Ape]

I kinda go the other way on the bolded. I think his availability issues, have drowned out his flaws as a prospect. I think he's been overrated strictly as a talent all along.

I'm not saying he's not an NFL player or anything like that, and I agree I'd rather have Judkins than Chubb in redraft, but I think this idea that Judkins is this great prospect, who owners who "bought the dip" are gonna reap great rewards from is flawed. I'd still say its 50-50 he's the RB to own on the Browns, and that's not factoring in a possible suspension down the line.

I love these kinds of posts. Travdog, I know you’ve been a valued poster here and I know you know ball. I don’t want to assign you any work but I’d be interested to hear what you see on QJs tape that gives you concern and why you feel he may be overrated? I’ve watched him pretty closely and came away feeling bullish on his prospects, would love to better understand the bear case against him

I think Judkins has ideal size for the position. His 40 time was a surprise to me, because I just didn't see THAT level of long speed. Love his acceleration, but if he'd been a 4,58 instead of 4.48, I wouldn't have been shocked. I think 4.48 is a little misleading, he didn't play to that speed in my opinion, unlike Omarion Hampton who did.

I think guys bounce off Judkins, and he has a nice stiff arm, but he's not elusive in the open field at all. He's a run to contact type. Good north-south, but not a playmaker sort of thing. I think people seeing the size/40 are maybe expecting a Nick Chubb type, and he's not that.

I think he's ok in the passing game, but a guy I'd expect to be taken off the field in passing situations, almost regardless of other RBs around him. He's got checkdown ability. not route runner ability. That's the difference between say a 20-30 catch guy, and a 60+ one.

The issue for me is, Ohio State was able to bully people at the LoS. I don't know that the Browns can, and if they can't, I can see Judkins being pretty inefficient this year, and that is assuming he plays all year, which I have no idea how that will go, though I wouldn't downgrade him with the expectation a suspension is a lock. I don't hate Judkins. I do think much like RJ Harvey he went a round higher than he should have, but both have talent. I just think he's nothing special. He's a little smaller and faster, but he kinda reminded me a little of Carlos Hyde at Ohio State. Where, if he has to create, I think he could struggle, but if there is a big hole, he's gonna find it, and be tough to bring down.

So, he's got some solid 2-down ability and struggles with making guys miss and the receiving game, well luckily Ohio State had a guy who excelled at both those things, but the issue is, so do the Browns with Dylan Sampson. I don't recall if its in the Sampson thread or the Browns thread, but someone said, the Browns probably had that in mind when they drafted Sampson, and I agree, they likely want something similar to what Ohio State had.

Long term, I think Sampson isn't going away. He's a really good RB, if he'd have gone ahead of Judkins in the draft, I wouldn't have been surprised. He's got better vision, elusiveness and receiving ability, and I'm not confident he won't have the better career, even if the Browns try to make Judkins happen first.

Thanks for the detailed breakdown! When you wrote your initial assessment I thought we’d see the film a lot more differently but I really don’t question much of anything you observe.

Like you said, Judkins has a nasty stiff arm. But some of his strengths also cover for weaknesses, as in he runs a little top heavy and does not have quite the base and center of gravity other backs in his tier have.

QJs acceleration looks elite to me and may be his greatest weapon and you didn’t really even comment on it which I do find interesting.

Mainly I think we reach different outlooks for Quinshon for two reasons: 1) You ding him more for college context and the strength of the Buckeye offense than I do and 2) you are more invested in projecting his NFL situation than I (and you project it as pretty miserable for him).

I’m far from an SEC expert but I’ve seen some tape from QJ’s Ole Miss days and there were carries against really tough defenses where I wouldn’t say the blocking was dominant or bullying in any way, he still held his own.

As far as the Browns go even if the blocking isn’t great I’m not sure it’s a death knell for QJ. There is a certain kind of “front runner“ back you encounter sometimes where you just know if the blocking is good he’s gonna smash and add yards beyond what is blocked but if the blocking is bad it’s gonna be a total disaster. Often slow building speed and poor acceleration are part of what contributes to that profile but QJ has god-like acceleration. If the blocking is dysfunctional level bad then forget it but I can see scenarios where the Browns are a not great football team but QJ does just fine.

Last comment: projecting situation this early in the season is hard! If you can do it more power to you. Other than looking at Vegas totals a little bit I really don’t take on that degree of difficulty in my projections, I focus a lot more on the player’s ability which seems more knowable

 

[Proteus]

I'll win regardless w him braising on my bench, ready to unload the following week.

Mmm...

...braised highly controversial rookie...

...agghl...

 

[themeistersinger]

This guy is free right now on the waivers but no one is picking him up??

6 team league or 4 man benches ?

Drop the 6 team league shots. We're here to help each other win leagues.

Maybe the snark is out of line, but the reality is that it's hard to evaluate fairly with zero info. If Judkins is available, what kind of league is it because he isn't in most leagues. And if that is so, what kind of player must be dropped? When people post something as simple and as impossible to evaluate charitably, is a smart alec answer really all THAT uncalled for? I appreciate the effort you guys make, but you often go a hair further then you really need to

Picked him up for free yesterday in my local but it's a 10 teamer with short benches and he still shows in "out" status on ESPN

I was able to put him in an IR spot on ESPN. Anybody with an "O" designation, even a healthy game-day scratch, can be placed into an IR spot on ESPN. Used the free space to pick up the Packers DST for next week.

Interesting, i'm in a couple of ESPN leagues, my local doesn't have the IR slot at all, the one public league i'm in shows an IR slot but I can't move Judkins to it. When I click "manage IR" it tells me "there are currently no players eligible for the IR". Strange?

Looking at it now he is listed as Q for Questionable. Thursday he was still not on the active roster, so probably why they listed him as O (letter O for Out). So definitely if you try it this evening it would not be allowed. Not sure what time it switched from O to Q.

 

[eighsse2]

I'll win regardless w him braising on my bench, ready to unload the following week.

Mmm...

...braised highly controversial rookie...

...agghl...

Took me a second to figure out what "agghl" meant but once I figured it out, perfect spelling.

 

[themeistersinger]

Still showing out on ESPN and yet reported to be playing and not injured or suspended (yet)

he's now been switched from O (out) to Q (questionable) on ESPN, just FYI -- not sure how that affects his ability to stay in IR spots over the weekend

In ESPN, once you put him on IR he can stay on IR for as long as you want. But you can't pick up any other players, either with waivers or FAAB or trades, until you move him off of IR.

 

[mjb03003]

I like NFL.com’s comp to Quinshon, which is Joe Mixon.

Hopefully based on more than their propensity to (allegedly) batter women.

 

[Faust]

Ian Rapoport
#Browns RB Quinshon Judkins, making his NFL debut, will have his snaps closely monitored. But expect him to have the snaps of a backup RB as he ramps up, while the team hopes he eventually becomes the starter.

https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1967061995133546803?s=61