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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (4 Viewers)

petekrum said:
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I agree. He's the best back since AP was drafted. He can do it all. All of the negative talk about RB's is a bunch of nonsense. It IS a passing league now, but the RB position is very important and most teams can't afford to have a committee running back squad -- especially if their o-line sucks. Everyone said Gurley was a terrible pick that high in the draft...now look. 

 
Faust said:
 

CBS Sports writer Jeff Reynolds noted that Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott "would go a long way toward giving the Browns the identity [Hue] Jackson envisions."
In a juicy irony, prior to Wednesday's trade by the Eagles for the No. 2 overall pick, Elliott had actually indicated that they had shown more interest in him than any other team. The same can't be said for the new owners of pick No. 8, the Cleveland Browns, but Reynolds sees the 6-foot, 225-pound Buckeye product as a potentially nice fit. Wrote the analyst, "With third-down back Duke Johnson in the fold, Elliott could serve as the primary back and no doubt would be a cheered addition in making the short move from Columbus to Cleveland." Logistical happiness aside, the Browns have enough depth at running back -- and enough holes elsewhere -- that Zeke could be a little rich for their blood. They could easily swoop back around to draft the likes of Derrick Henry or Kenneth Dixon after Day 1 if they want a runner.

 
 
Source: CBS Sports 
Apr 21 - 2:43 PM
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Please NOOOO!!

 
i don't think he's as dynamic as Gurley or AP. 

i think part part of the reason he's moving up a lot of boards is because he has an extremely high floor.  i would be absolutely shocked if he doesn't end up a top 5 RB.  

 
Dallas at 4.

Baltimore at 6.

Giants at 10.

I love those three landing spots, and all three can use the shot in the arm.  

Dolphins can use him to, but Zeke owners cannot want to see him go there.  

 
massraider said:
Dallas at 4.

Baltimore at 6.

Giants at 10.

I love those three landing spots, and all three can use the shot in the arm.  

Dolphins can use him to, but Zeke owners cannot want to see him go there.  
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Tunsil, Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey have to be off the board before Elliot goes. Plus the two QBs and I think that takes out the first two options. The Giants seem to always draft linemen early and use a RBBC approach. 

That seems to be using logic though. Logic and the draft usually don't go hand in hand. For all we know the Rams are going to use a wishbone formation and run Zeke and Gurley 25 times a game each. 

Bears at 11

Lions at 16

Colts at 18

I figured it wasn't very good style to not put up where I think his landing spots could be. 

 
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Borden said:
Tunsil, Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey have to be off the board before Elliot goes. Plus the two QBs and I think that takes out the first two options. The Giants seem to always draft linemen early and use a RBBC approach. 

That seems to be using logic though. Logic and the draft usually don't go hand in hand. For all we know the Rams are going to use a wishbone formation and run Zeke and Gurley 25 times a game each. 

Bears at 11

Lions at 16

Colts at 18

I figured it wasn't very good style to not put up where I think his landing spots could be. 
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I don't like a RB in the 1st round to my team, but I would have approved of the Giants taking Gurley last year, and I said so I believe.  Instead they took a linemen who sucked.  They have a new coach, and Reece is on the hot seat.  Elliott probably have as big an impact as any rookie at #10.  

I think Dallas and Baltimore are long shots, for sure.  But BAL in particular should think about it.  Especially if it's Bosa or him.  Bosa makes people nervous.  Has a little partying in his past.  I love him personally, I love when you can get the alpha dog from a team of alpha dogs.  Man, he fits the Ravens.  

 
Soulfly3 said:
Zeke better than Gurley?

Good lord.
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Than blown knee, may not come back the same if you draft him Gurley? Maybe if Gurley had been healthy in the draft and we knew what we know now.

But I think its a stretch to definitively say hes a better prospect than all of Gurley, TRich, McFadden, or Ingram for example, even with our benefit of hindsight. Doesn't mean Zeke won't succeed though even if some of those guys didnt.

 
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massraider said:
I don't like a RB in the 1st round to my team, but I would have approved of the Giants taking Gurley last year, and I said so I believe.  Instead they took a linemen who sucked.  They have a new coach, and Reece is on the hot seat.  Elliott probably have as big an impact as any rookie at #10.  

I think Dallas and Baltimore are long shots, for sure.  But BAL in particular should think about it.  Especially if it's Bosa or him.  Bosa makes people nervous.  Has a little partying in his past.  I love him personally, I love when you can get the alpha dog from a team of alpha dogs.  Man, he fits the Ravens.  
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Valid points. Especially about the character concerns on Bosa. However, Suggs and Dumerville are both getting up in age and think they want to shore that up so a new guy can learn before they are gone. Also I think they could grab a guy like Paul Perkins later. I believe Perkins is a high character guy on top of being a very good back. 

The Giants are the wild card. I could see them taking Elliot, Darron Lee, Corey Coleman, Stanley, Hargraves and pretty much other every player. :D   I guess for me with the Giants it just a Zeke vs the field thing and I think the field holds the higher likelihood. 

 
Zeke is special..if people cant see that theyre not really watching ncaa football.hes far more dynamic than Gurley.and he played at a higher level against great teams and beat them up.all of them. Hes a superstar to be.

He can do it ALL..

 
Who is/was a better prospect is one conversation to be had.

Although I think Gurley was a better prospect, I see no reason Zeke couldn't outscore Gurley in fantasy numbers.

 
Doubledown1313 said:
Who is/was a better prospect is one conversation to be had.

Although I think Gurley was a better prospect, I see no reason Zeke couldn't outscore Gurley in fantasy numbers.
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Of course he "could".  Julianne Hough "could" knock on my door and beg me to take her. 

Anything is possible.

...unless he goes to Cleveland.

 
flapgreen said:
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2631564-ezekiel-elliott-and-the-myth-of-the-replaceable-running-back?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league?is_shared=true
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Interesting article. I do think it's misses the point a bit though. It states the top backs but of course the back selected the highest are, on average, going to outperform the rest. That's why they are selected that before them. But they still bust/get injured and when you look at the top dynasty backs (or the new crop of studs), as-per Fantasy Pros, Bell was a 2nd, DJ a 3rd, Miller a 4th, Freeman a 4th, and Gurley a 1st. That's only 1 out of 5. This article bases "good" by using stats and that's why I used fantasy rankings. 

From an actual football stand point, I think it even more points to not using the high pick on first round back. Go back from 2007 to 2016 (10 years) and see how many first rounder backs were the starter for the Super Bowl champs. I don't know for sure but I'm guessing it's not very many. Even last year, look how many teams in the 10 of rushing yards have a first round back. This is all of the top of my head so I might be completely wrong but if a first round RB isn't a key piece in winning championships or team rushing yards then I'd say it's pretty difficult to say it's worth using a high pick on them. Especially given their relatively short shelf life. 

***Totally derailed. Doesn't really have anything to do with Elliot or my opinion of him. If someone wants discuss this more then maybe it deserves a new thread. Sorry. ***

 
Brendon1215 said:
Another Ohio State hater?  :lmao: You guys are so silly. 
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I don't hate Ohio State or Ezekiel Elliott; he's just not nearly the prospect or the talent Todd Gurley was/is.

Would I pick him if I had the 1.01 in my rookie draft?  Yes.

...but as far as comparing him to Gurley, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

 
spider321 said:
I don't hate Ohio State or Ezekiel Elliott; he's just not nearly the prospect or the talent Todd Gurley was/is.

Would I pick him if I had the 1.01 in my rookie draft?  Yes.

...but as far as comparing him to Gurley, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Elliott is a better blocker and receiver than Gurley. And athletically, he's not nearly as far off from Gurley as people like you seem to think.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/08/draftezekiel-elliott-is-the-most-complete-rb-prospect-since-adrian-peterson/

The person that should be embarrassed is you... For not only being wrong, but being unnecessarily snarky at the same time. 

 
LawFitz said:
Elliott is a better blocker and receiver than Gurley. And athletically, he's not nearly as far off from Gurley as people like you seem to think.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/08/draftezekiel-elliott-is-the-most-complete-rb-prospect-since-adrian-peterson/

The person that should be embarrassed is you... For not only being wrong, but being unnecessarily snarky at the same time. 
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Yep, a fantasy website who's job is to get clicks, writes an article that Elliott is more complete so it must be true. :lmao:

...and I was only snarky because the Brendon kid puts :lmao: :no: :sleep: :own3d:  in all of his posts.

I don't understand how someone can watch Elliott and Gurley in college and believe that Elliott is as good or better, but I guess if we could all see players for what they really are, no one would be the Browns.

Zeke is very good and may become a perennial pro-bowler.

Gurley, if he can stay healthy, will be an all-time great.

I should stop before I start to dislike Elliott because of people trying to make him out be something he isn't.  lol

 
spider321 said:
I don't hate Ohio State or Ezekiel Elliott; he's just not nearly the prospect or the talent Todd Gurley was/is.

Would I pick him if I had the 1.01 in my rookie draft?  Yes.

...but as far as comparing him to Gurley, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Seriously? Comparing Gerhart to Gurley is embarrassing. Comparing Elliott to Gurley is certainly a viable argument.

 
spider321 said:
I don't hate Ohio State or Ezekiel Elliott; he's just not nearly the prospect or the talent Todd Gurley was/is.

Would I pick him if I had the 1.01 in my rookie draft?  Yes.

...but as far as comparing him to Gurley, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Numbers speak for themselves. Oh, you may have forgotten about the National Championship too. ;)

Elliott Stats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
Gurley Stats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/todd-gurley-1.html

Case Closed . . .

 
I agree as a prospect in the nil that Elliot is the best in this class, his receiving skills appear better than Gurley, he also is a good blocker and maybe better than Gurley at that as well, he is very good at running the ball as well. He is a great prospect to NFL teams because he is so solid in all aspects. That being said Gurley is a very special runner, some might say generational and Elliot is not that. 

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Although this guy is actually more dynamic.  Bump Elliot down your boards.  Booker most dynamic back in the draft!  Proof!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/devontae-booker-1.html

Case closed!!!
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2773 yards...lol.

Zeke had two back-to-back 1800+ yard seasons...so I'm trying to figure out what exactly your point is?

Plus, Booker had 21 TD's in 2 seasons. Zeke had 41.

You're sounding pretty goofy, bud. You obviously didn't read the stats before you decided to talk.

Better luck next time. 

 
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I think the Dolphins does not stand a chance of getting this from the 13th spot. 
My best guess at the moment is Giants. Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa and Myles are going to go before Elliot.
Dallas have so many holes in defense so it's hard for me to see them taking Elliot although I wish they would take him.
 

 
Brendon1215 said:
He's going to Dallas. If things go Jerry's way (which they always do), they're going to take Zeke. Save this post so we can refer back to it on draft day.  :cool:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2634892-insider-buzz-cowboys-could-draft-ezekiel-elliott-if-jerry-jones-gets-his-way 
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Every year Jones seems to be the biggest B.S. artist in the league when it comes down to pre-draft statements.  He is like that crappy owner in your league who always talks up the guy he isn't going to take.

 
Would the Bears actually draft Zeke?  One has to wonder.  My first hunch is no although I don't know much about this new GM.  It would be sweet to have a trio of Jeffery, White (hopefully a stud) and Zeke.  We would still need a better line to make that trio most effective.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Would the Bears actually draft Zeke?  One has to wonder.  My first hunch is no although I don't know much about this new GM.  It would be sweet to have a trio of Jeffery, White (hopefully a stud) and Zeke.  We would still need a better line to make that trio most effective.
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They have a ton of needs but Cutler is good enough to feed Jeffery and White. Add in Zeke and all of a sudden that's a high powered offense. A "good enough" OL will do when there's that many weapons on the field. Their D needs work too but if they aim for mid tier defense with addition through out the rest of draft they may be sitting pretty nice. 

 
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Rhythmdoctor said:
Would the Bears actually draft Zeke?  One has to wonder.  My first hunch is no although I don't know much about this new GM.  It would be sweet to have a trio of Jeffery, White (hopefully a stud) and Zeke.  We would still need a better line to make that trio most effective.
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they would have to trade up to get him, which they won't do.  he's not gonna last until they pick.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Would the Bears actually draft Zeke?  One has to wonder.  My first hunch is no although I don't know much about this new GM.  It would be sweet to have a trio of Jeffery, White (hopefully a stud) and Zeke.  We would still need a better line to make that trio most effective.
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I think so.  Long moved back to guard.  Massie now at RT.  The line will be better than last year.  With how they went after CJ,  Zeke is definitely in play. 

 
flapgreen said:
Anything could happen in the draft.  Shaping up to be the most unpredictable top 10 ever.  No one knows what's going to happen 
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Thats mostly a media thing.   A couple huge trades happened relatively recently.  The media only cares about Goff vs. Wentz right now, so there's no real reason to dive deep into pick 3.  A lot of them know they look a little stupid because they were pumping up tunsil as the clear number one,  and it turns out they never really believed it,  they just thought that was who Tennessee was going to take.  Now that they have to build up a new narrative they have to act like every pick is on the table again and this is so dramatic.   And the reality is most fans just care about offense, so a draft heavy in defensive players just isn't as sexy as talking about where the qbs are going to go and will someone take Elliott in the top 5.  

But it's not really that unknown.  The Eagles knew who they were getting when they traded up.  The two qbs have the same agent. And the chargers know who they're going to pick if they make the pick.  They're just starting the trade process as the owner of the new "top pick" themselves, and telling people who they like only lets a team below them plan better and know if they have to make a move up to get their guy.  Thursday morning the mock drafts will suddenly look a lot closer to what really happens.   Always does. 

 
Aunt Jemima said:
I agree as a prospect in the nil that Elliot is the best in this class, his receiving skills appear better than Gurley, he also is a good blocker and maybe better than Gurley at that as well, he is very good at running the ball as well. He is a great prospect to NFL teams because he is so solid in all aspects. That being said Gurley is a very special runner, some might say generational and Elliot is not that. 
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This take seems to be in line with that of several analysts I've read.  Here's a good one:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/4/5/11362758/nfl-draft-2016-ezekiel-elliott-todd-gurley-running-back-ohio-state-alabama

I don't understand the posts in this thread essentially arguing that Elliott isn't anywhere near the talent level of Gurley.  Seems more like splitting hairs than a chasm between them.

 
Gurley made the leap to the NFL like he was born to it.   Richardson made the leap to the NFL like he was entitled to it.   Which will Elliott be?   Those minor character red flags may end up being minor,  or they could be indicative of an entitled man child getting mad when he lost and partying hard when they won. You can speculate and you can watch film and you can defend him all day,  but you don't know. 

Is Elliott on the same tier as Gurley?  It remains to be seen.  But if you can trade him and something reasonable for Gurley I think you're crazy not to because the chasm isn't between his potential and Gurley"s (which still favora Gurley imo).  It's between Elliott"s potential and Gurley"s.actual performance in the NFL

 
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