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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (9 Viewers)
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The General
Footballguy
I'm not sure if the timelines you laid out are accurate to these types of cases but yeah generally it's much better to be rich.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
I suppose you’re right, then; but I’m inclined to think if this judge thought missing this 1 game was enough irreparable harm to issue the administrative stay, it’s likely that 2 judges will decide that missing 6 games is irreparable harm that can be avoided by granting the permanent stay until the case has been resolved.
Dude, this guy....
its a shame you represent all the good Eagles fans. Facts mean nothing to you? Just that he's a Cowboy. Lol
Please provide proof of the beatings, or GTFO.
JIMGET
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Holy ####.........are you for real?
this guy........provide evidence he didn't or GTFO.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
OK, hold up...You guys want someone to prove a negative?
You want people to prove he didnt abuse someone when he wasnt charged with a crime and when the investigator in charge of investigating for the NFL said no suspension warranted, you still think we should prove the negative that he didnt?
Evidence says he didnt do anything criminal...the people who investigated from the law enforcement agencies and from the league office have way more info than you and they denied to charge and did not recommend suspensions...a clearly angry and ignorant commish who is now getting destroyed by his employers went against recommendations and did what he always does...puts his total control on everything.
To recap: People say Zeke is an abuser because the commish of a sports league says so while the cops and investigators and the prosecutors office says he isnt.
You want people to prove he didnt abuse someone when he wasnt charged with a crime and when the investigator in charge of investigating for the NFL said no suspension warranted, you still think we should prove the negative that he didnt?
Evidence says he didnt do anything criminal...the people who investigated from the law enforcement agencies and from the league office have way more info than you and they denied to charge and did not recommend suspensions...a clearly angry and ignorant commish who is now getting destroyed by his employers went against recommendations and did what he always does...puts his total control on everything.
To recap: People say Zeke is an abuser because the commish of a sports league says so while the cops and investigators and the prosecutors office says he isnt.
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WheelsUp
Footballguy
For those comparing Zeke to the average guy, filing paper work in an appellate court for an emergency motion is pretty pricey when you include lawyers and the time they put into the filings. They also cost more because they are emergency and need to be heard fast. Clearly this is a high profile arbitration case with urgency behind it or some will be effected without action that cant be returned, irreparable harm...you know what, this has been explained and explained and explained. Clearly it doesnt matter.
The rules of life dont go out the window because this is about football. People with money have more advantages than those who dont, are we born yesterday or just ignoring real life facts? If you believe it to be right or wrong morally, it has nothing what so ever to do with if it is a reality...and it is. Rich people with deep pockets and connections have more advantages.
The rules of life dont go out the window because this is about football. People with money have more advantages than those who dont, are we born yesterday or just ignoring real life facts? If you believe it to be right or wrong morally, it has nothing what so ever to do with if it is a reality...and it is. Rich people with deep pockets and connections have more advantages.
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Well the GTFO wasn't necessary. But he does have a point. I haven't seen any evidence of what he allegedly did. In past DV cases we at least had some details, but in this one all we got is "several acts of domestic violence during the week of July..." Kind of odd how there wasn't any specific details about the incident. I wish we knew exactly what it was that he allegedly did.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I remember an article that provided a pretty in-depth account of what took place from the girlfriend's perspective. Take that for what its worth, but there are things out there that told this story of what allegedly took place.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Tiffany Thompson did give a pretty detailed description of all/most of the alleged acts. You can read them here: A Comprehensive Timeline of the Ezekiel Elliot Case
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
The girlfriend was deemed to be lacking credibility is an issue for me. I did read something about her registering an email for her to sell the Zeke sex tape if he didn't pay her off before all this happened.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Correct and there was more that eroded her credibility. That was more than likely why the DA declined to prosecute. Zeke's lawyers would have probably destroyed her in court. Would it have been enough? The prosecutor seems to think so.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Yeah, she did some sketchy things to say the least. After reading that article and others it had me swayed that he is innocent only in the sense that criminally they didn't have enough to convict him. But that is just my opinion.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Thanks, looking at it now. Have been trying to find something that would make sense of this suspension since it came down.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
I agree. I do have to admit though that her story of the abuse doesn't sound made up. If true, it paints an ugly picture of Zeke. But we will never know I guess.
The General
Footballguy
So the panel hearing is tomorrow, right?
Moonshine
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
At this point the delays are for the best I guess. He’s already missing FF playoffs.
theplayer11
Footballguy
probably worst case scenario for Zeke drafters...with hearing Thursday and ruling after sunday means he could be suspended for all the fantasy play-offs. I was gambling on being able to withstand the 1st 6 weeks without him and still making the play-offs with Zeke.
theplayer11
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
This was where I was at. I thought there was too much there that it didn't sound made up. I know she could have been very well deceiving, that is just where I fell after reading about it.
Moonshine
Footballguy
At this point I'm resigned to it. He's currently the #3 player in my league so far this season (out of all RB/WR/TE), and I got him at a second round price. Paired with Bell, or whoever you took in the first round, I'd say you got a pretty good return on investment on a points per game basis even if he misses the next six weeks (including fantasy playoffs) and a pretty reasonable chance at having already locked down a playoff spot already.
Woulda been nice for him to have already served the suspension, but I can't complain much from a fantasy perspective.
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WheelsUp
Footballguy
Ask Brian Banks about how well stories can be made up by women to put men in trouble, and how those false stories can even hold up in court.
But about the hearing this Thursday, the 3 judges are all that matters. If you are a Elliott fan, you do not want Chin.
Edit, as I refreshed this just popped up.
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 3m3 minutes ago
Judges assigned to the #Zeke panel are:
Jacobs
Livingston
Droney
Oral argument will take place at 2 pm Thursday.
Two were appointed by Bush, one by Obama and Livingston used to be affiliated and helped the NFL in the concussion lawsuit.
But about the hearing this Thursday, the 3 judges are all that matters. If you are a Elliott fan, you do not want Chin.
Edit, as I refreshed this just popped up.
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 3m3 minutes ago
Judges assigned to the #Zeke panel are:
Jacobs
Livingston
Droney
Oral argument will take place at 2 pm Thursday.
Two were appointed by Bush, one by Obama and Livingston used to be affiliated and helped the NFL in the concussion lawsuit.
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theplayer11
Footballguy
I disagree..It's all about the play-offs.....my record up to now is meaningless. If I didn't think I could make the play-offs with Zeke missing the 1st 6 games, I wouldn't have drafted him. If I knew,he would miss the last 6 games, no way I would have drafted.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I agree with this. I just think it's more often than not the story is not being told. That is one reason I don't want to discredit her even though she seems pretty unreliable.
About the judges you named and Elliott not wanting Chin. Whats the feedback on these 3? Any takes/history?
theplayer11
Footballguy
refresh my memory, this 3 judge hearing is just to allow the stay? Then, if he gets the stay, another 3 judge panel to decide the case...and that could be appealed as well?
WheelsUp
Footballguy
Seems the blow up on twitter is that Livingston worked with the NFL making a case for their concussion lawsuit.
so if he is willing to defend that, will he even have a chance to side with Zeke here? Also, it is clear why the NFL wants this in NY, they stacked the deck of the legal process with Failia and Livingston.
I see a lot of people saying the players wont allow them to give up something to take control from the commish, the NFLPA lawyers may not give them a choice and the union is in charge until the players dont want a union and that means D Smith makes the decisions regarding the contract. The lawyers will explain to them after this case sets precedent they the commish can ruin their lives, what responsible NFLPA rep will allow that, even if it only effects 6 people, its the precedent of allowing a commish to have total control.
so if he is willing to defend that, will he even have a chance to side with Zeke here? Also, it is clear why the NFL wants this in NY, they stacked the deck of the legal process with Failia and Livingston.
I see a lot of people saying the players wont allow them to give up something to take control from the commish, the NFLPA lawyers may not give them a choice and the union is in charge until the players dont want a union and that means D Smith makes the decisions regarding the contract. The lawyers will explain to them after this case sets precedent they the commish can ruin their lives, what responsible NFLPA rep will allow that, even if it only effects 6 people, its the precedent of allowing a commish to have total control.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
How do they pick the judges? It's like they "randomly draw out of a hat" which the NFL's hat is looking at the schedule and putting it on any docket they see fit Pro NFL.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
They are random, so they say, but it is not...
FWIW...I fly planes in and out of NYC, I hear a lot of things one thing I heard this weekend from one of my "clients" is Jerry wanted Livingston personally to work on the concussion case. The reason he came up is because he was on the docket to hear motions Tuesday and it was discussed. Chin still gets contributions from the NFL for his political aspirations and hearing that is why it wasnt scheduled for today is because Chin in a way recused himself although not publicly. One thing we all have to understand is so much behind the scenes stuff happens in courts, we are not even remotely seeing it all. These judges have already been discussing this case with their friends and family this weekend.
Sad, but its how it works. I know how judges talk, as I said...I fly planes and I shouldnt hear most the things I hear, but I do.
FWIW...I fly planes in and out of NYC, I hear a lot of things one thing I heard this weekend from one of my "clients" is Jerry wanted Livingston personally to work on the concussion case. The reason he came up is because he was on the docket to hear motions Tuesday and it was discussed. Chin still gets contributions from the NFL for his political aspirations and hearing that is why it wasnt scheduled for today is because Chin in a way recused himself although not publicly. One thing we all have to understand is so much behind the scenes stuff happens in courts, we are not even remotely seeing it all. These judges have already been discussing this case with their friends and family this weekend.
Sad, but its how it works. I know how judges talk, as I said...I fly planes and I shouldnt hear most the things I hear, but I do.
theplayer11
Footballguy
how can a judge who "worked" with the NFL in any way be allowed to hear a case involving the NFL. NFLPA should demand he recuse himself.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Exactly, last case the one judge's husband worked for the firm who organized the CBA. The NFLPA chose not to fight that and it worked out.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
If the judges don't end up deciding until next week, after Zeke plays week 10, and he does end up suspended then he will miss ALL of the FF playoffs, weeks 11-16. He will be droppable unless your league plays Week 17 but most don't.
I'm sure he has helped a lot of teams, including mine, win so far, but the loss of him in the playoffs is huge.
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themeistersinger
Footballguy
it is, but I'd rather he play week 10 and miss 11-16 (so I can drop him) rather than be out 10-15. If he's out 10-15, it is very unlikely I make it to 16. If I drop him, and a strong team picks him up (who else would pick him up but a strong team) they almost guarantee a win in 16. Of course I'd rather he not miss at all, but the most important thing for me is that he plays this week.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
That's my thinking at this point, aside from him somehow winning until the offseason.
The Frankman
Footballguy
For anyone who wants to follow the Zeke news up-to-date and missed the earlier link: https://twitter.com/PeteBrush
Law reporter who works the New York courts and has been commenting on the situation for over a month. Will live tweet news from the courtroom.
Law reporter who works the New York courts and has been commenting on the situation for over a month. Will live tweet news from the courtroom.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
This. If he’s gonna miss the playoffs, i guess is rather him miss all of it, cut bait, and find a new less exciting toy.
If he looks like he’s coming back week 16, there’s no way i don’t hold him and that probably even more detrimental to many teams.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I wouldn't object to this either. In my short bench league it would be very difficult to hang onto a guy for 6 weeks in hopes of making the championship again. The benefits of that short bench is the guy who grabbed Alfred Morris last week ended up cutting him Sunday morning. Now wouldn't be a bad time to ask about Morris as some may not believe Zeke will be suspended apparently.
timschochet
Footballguy
Putting aside both the issues of guilt and innocence and fantasy football implications, it seems to me that there is a fundamental unfairness in beginning Elliot’s suspension prior to the completion of his appeal process. If he wins his appeal, yet he was already suspended, what has he won? He can never get the games back. That just seems wrong to me. The punishment shouldn’t begin until all legal remedies have been fully exhausted.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Agreed. I believe this is the basis of his teams arguement of irreparable harm. Who knows if the judges will buy it though.Who knows if the judges will buy it though.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
But that’s not the way things work. There are a lot things in the world that aren’t fair. Zeke maybe losing 6 games that could contribute stats towards a HOF candidacy is hardly at the top of that list.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
I feel like the NFL is essentially crapping where it eats with these court battles. The 2 biggest fights were with Brady and Zeke, 2 of the biggest seat fillers and jersey sellers on the planet. I understand the concern with what both of these players were alleged to have done. But the NFL worked themselves to death in coming up with these decisions, and in Zekes case, after the justice system passed on prosecuting. While the NFL thinks they are saving face, they really might be doing themselves more harm than good. I know. Ticket sales and TV ratings are the bottom line and they may not be worried about the slight drop but this should be considered another straw on the camels back.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
I don't think we should expect it to play out any other way. Too much money on the line. This isn't just any ole arbitration process. Its an arbitration process involving millionaires and billion dollar corporations managed by billionaires.
Agreed, but once the NFL makes one of these decisions, they refuse to lose. IMO, it’s less about Zeke, Brady, or even public perception. They want to make sure that they powers they bargained for aren’t limited by the courts. From a public perception standpoint, the NFL came off worse in the Brady debacle than Brady did & I’d be willing to bet the same will be true worth the Zeke situation (barring the release of a video like with Rice). But protecting their contractually bargained power seems to be more important than anything else.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Zeke already had his appeal via arbitration per the CBA. This whole thing is a joke. Zeke's lawyers are essentially going to have to prove Goodell had it out for him. I find that laughable, regardless of what you or I think of Goodell.
I'm a Dallas fan & while many of my fellow fans (who I respect) are hoping Zeke wiggles out of this thing, we're just delaying the inevitable.
Get it done this season (as in now). We have a shot at the playoffs.
I'm a Dallas fan & while many of my fellow fans (who I respect) are hoping Zeke wiggles out of this thing, we're just delaying the inevitable.
Get it done this season (as in now). We have a shot at the playoffs.
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