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RB Isaac Guerendo, SF (1 Viewer)

Intrigued. I've been holding Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason for a while. This seals Mason's fate - he's a drop. Will probably continue to hold Mitchell (love the talent).
 
Mister CIA said:
Intrigued. I've been holding Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason for a while. This seals Mason's fate - he's a drop. Will probably continue to hold Mitchell (love the talent).
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Wonder if Guerendo returns kicks? They had Deebo doing it down the stretch, and I can't imagine they wanna keep doing that.
 
Eric Galko
.@LouisvilleFB RB Isaac Guerendo is probably most consistently talked about as being an elite athlete. But he’s more than just that.

He’s had limited carries relative to his peers in his college career (which many NFL scouts bring up as a POSITIVE, as he has less “tread on his tires”).

And when he has gotten opportunities, he’s been one of the most explosive RBs in the country.

He’s averaged 6+ YPC each of the last three years. Even more impressively, in 2023, he averaged 4.1 yards AFTER contact per carry

That 4.1 was top-five in the country among FBS players in the 2024 draft class (and his fellow @ShrineBowl RB Tyrone Tracy was #1 with 4.4)

He also improved as a pass blocker, with just one game with a sub 70 pass blocking grade per @PFF_College.

And as a receiver, 13 of his 24 catches this year went for first downs. SEVEN went for 15+ yards.

His EXPLOSIVENESS shows up as a runner, receiver and returner on film.

And of course, he’s an elite athlete. But let’s just look at how RARE he is from a couple different sources (at 6’1, 220):

💥BEST 40 time and vertical (and top 5 in broad and shutteles) among RBs at Combine

💥4.3 PAI per @TrckFootball, including in a tier with Jonathan Taylor based on his 100m and 200m

💥99 for @NextGenStats, tied for the best RB score ever at the NFL Combine, in tier with Saquan Barkley and Chris Johnson

💥9.9 on RAS per @MathBomb, with comps to Edgerrin James and Breece Hall

Isaac Guerendo is truly a special, unique prospect. There’s maybe only a handful of RBs with his size and talent in the last decade of draft prospects.

And it’s a big reason why, despite just 165 touches (including kick returns) in 2023, it’s unlikely he gets out of the top-four rounds.

#ShrineBowlWhosNext
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Late round flier taken, expecting zero in 2024 but able to stash on taxi squad to see if he can develop into the next man up in a good offense
 
watching preseason closely

If there was one thing I learned from the Trey Sermon fiasco, I will be watching the SF RB situation with a skeptical eye.
 
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TripItUp said:
watching preseason closely

If there was one thing I learned from the Trey Sermon fiasco, I will be watching with a skeptical eye.
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Refresh my memory, what would have been the red flag in preseason with Sermon? Was it that he did not get used (or got used when all the third stringers were on the field), or did he look like a turd when he did get snaps?
 
eighsse2 said:
TripItUp said:
watching preseason closely

If there was one thing I learned from the Trey Sermon fiasco, I will be watching with a skeptical eye.
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Refresh my memory, what would have been the red flag in preseason with Sermon? Was it that he did not get used (or got used when all the third stringers were on the field), or did he look like a turd when he did get snaps?
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The little information there was, was that Sermon was having a great camp (from a beatwriter)...the ff community ran with that and a bunch of people got burned.

The 49ers have a terrible track record of drafting RBs.
 
Guerrendo is an interesting prospect but I keep hearing all these "Kyle know's RB's" takes and it's like everyone is just going to forget Sermon, Joe Williams and TDP.

I'd make the case that in all these years on the jobs, despite drafting a ton of Rb's, that the only good AND reliable RB he's obtained was by trading for CMC.
 
TripItUp said:
eighsse2 said:
TripItUp said:
watching preseason closely

If there was one thing I learned from the Trey Sermon fiasco, I will be watching with a skeptical eye.
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Refresh my memory, what would have been the red flag in preseason with Sermon? Was it that he did not get used (or got used when all the third stringers were on the field), or did he look like a turd when he did get snaps?
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The little information there was, was that Sermon was having a great camp (from a beatwriter)...the ff community ran with that and a bunch of people got burned.

The 49ers have a terrible track record of drafting RBs.
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Oh, I see I see, I misunderstood.
 
menobrown said:
Guerrendo is an interesting prospect but I keep hearing all these "Kyle know's RB's" takes and it's like everyone is just going to forget Sermon, Joe Williams and TDP.

I'd make the case that in all these years on the jobs, despite drafting a ton of Rb's, that the only good AND reliable RB he's obtained was by trading for CMC.
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Fair point. I think one of the things that makes Guerendo an intriguing late-round prospect is that he potentially fits the archetype of the types of RBs who have had some success in Shanahan's system. Sermon was an odd pick, as he did not fit the mold. Same for TDP. Joe Williams occasionally displayed the speed and decisiveness to be a potential match for Shanahan's offense, but he also had some character and work ethic concerns. I don't know that we can glean much from him fizzling out.

Guerendo is no CMC, but he has some similarities to Raheem Mostert, and if he buys into the system, I believe Guerendo could produce if his number is called. Buying into the system is key, however. The Zone Blocking scheme requires backs to read plays quickly, hit the hole, and get upfield.
 
socrates said:
menobrown said:
Guerrendo is an interesting prospect but I keep hearing all these "Kyle know's RB's" takes and it's like everyone is just going to forget Sermon, Joe Williams and TDP.

I'd make the case that in all these years on the jobs, despite drafting a ton of Rb's, that the only good AND reliable RB he's obtained was by trading for CMC.
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Fair point. I think one of the things that makes Guerendo an intriguing late-round prospect is that he potentially fits the archetype of the types of RBs who have had some success in Shanahan's system. Sermon was an odd pick, as he did not fit the mold. Same for TDP. Joe Williams occasionally displayed the speed and decisiveness to be a potential match for Shanahan's offense, but he also had some character and work ethic concerns. I don't know that we can glean much from him fizzling out.

Guerendo is no CMC, but he has some similarities to Raheem Mostert, and if he buys into the system, I believe Guerendo could produce if his number is called. Buying into the system is key, however. The Zone Blocking scheme requires backs to read plays quickly, hit the hole, and get upfield.
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I'm not as sure on speed being a major factor in light of RB's at previous spots having success under Kyle. Such as Alfred Morris and Devonta Freeman. But decisivness, yes, that's huge in this system but the point I was making is that Kyle runs the show, the GM's work for him. So all those RB's that failed, for whatever reason, were his calls so that's my point to refute that "he just know's RB's" when the reality is his draftng history with Rb's has not been merely ok, it's been downright horrible.

The best RB SF has drafted since he arrived is Elijah Mitchell and he has the same archetype as Guerrendo. We know the issues with Mitchell staying on the field, but he's actually good and unless he's moved, which I think is possible, my guess is he'll keep the #2 job for as long as he's healthy.

I obviously love the system for RB's, Gurrendo's an intriguing talent, I just don't agree with giving him some extra bump because "Kyle knows RB's" is all I'm saying. That and I think some people are jumping the gun and forgetting about Mitchell.
 
menobrown said:
socrates said:
menobrown said:
Guerrendo is an interesting prospect but I keep hearing all these "Kyle know's RB's" takes and it's like everyone is just going to forget Sermon, Joe Williams and TDP.

I'd make the case that in all these years on the jobs, despite drafting a ton of Rb's, that the only good AND reliable RB he's obtained was by trading for CMC.
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Fair point. I think one of the things that makes Guerendo an intriguing late-round prospect is that he potentially fits the archetype of the types of RBs who have had some success in Shanahan's system. Sermon was an odd pick, as he did not fit the mold. Same for TDP. Joe Williams occasionally displayed the speed and decisiveness to be a potential match for Shanahan's offense, but he also had some character and work ethic concerns. I don't know that we can glean much from him fizzling out.

Guerendo is no CMC, but he has some similarities to Raheem Mostert, and if he buys into the system, I believe Guerendo could produce if his number is called. Buying into the system is key, however. The Zone Blocking scheme requires backs to read plays quickly, hit the hole, and get upfield.
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I'm not as sure on speed being a major factor in light of RB's at previous spots having success under Kyle. Such as Alfred Morris and Devonta Freeman. But decisivness, yes, that's huge in this system but the point I was making is that Kyle runs the show, the GM's work for him. So all those RB's that failed, for whatever reason, were his calls so that's my point to refute that "he just know's RB's" when the reality is his draftng history with Rb's has not been merely ok, it's been downright horrible.

The best RB SF has drafted since he arrived is Elijah Mitchell and he has the same archetype as Guerrendo. We know the issues with Mitchell staying on the field, but he's actually good and unless he's moved, which I think is possible, my guess is he'll keep the #2 job for as long as he's healthy.

I obviously love the system for RB's, Gurrendo's an intriguing talent, I just don't agree with giving him some extra bump because "Kyle knows RB's" is all I'm saying. That and I think some people are jumping the gun and forgetting about Mitchell.
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You are spot on about it being more about decisiveness than long speed. We have seen backs like Arian Foster and Olandis Gary, in addition to Morris and Freeman, have success in the zone read system, and speed was not their calling card. Mitchell fits the Shanahan system and will maintain a role, but, as you say, he has been unable to remain on the field.

Does Guerendo get a bump based on his draft destination? I think he does to some degree, but it is not because Kyle knows RBs. Some of the draft picks have left me scratching my head. (Kyle also supposedly knows QBs, yet the move up to grab Trey Lance was befuddling. I might have understood Mac Jones as a Shanahan type of QB, but not Trey Lance.)

Guerendo is a potential fit for the Shanahan system. However, you make a great point that he still must contend with Mitchell for touches behind CMC, so it is unclear how much of a role Guerendo will have.
 
socrates said:
menobrown said:
socrates said:
menobrown said:
Guerrendo is an interesting prospect but I keep hearing all these "Kyle know's RB's" takes and it's like everyone is just going to forget Sermon, Joe Williams and TDP.

I'd make the case that in all these years on the jobs, despite drafting a ton of Rb's, that the only good AND reliable RB he's obtained was by trading for CMC.
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Fair point. I think one of the things that makes Guerendo an intriguing late-round prospect is that he potentially fits the archetype of the types of RBs who have had some success in Shanahan's system. Sermon was an odd pick, as he did not fit the mold. Same for TDP. Joe Williams occasionally displayed the speed and decisiveness to be a potential match for Shanahan's offense, but he also had some character and work ethic concerns. I don't know that we can glean much from him fizzling out.

Guerendo is no CMC, but he has some similarities to Raheem Mostert, and if he buys into the system, I believe Guerendo could produce if his number is called. Buying into the system is key, however. The Zone Blocking scheme requires backs to read plays quickly, hit the hole, and get upfield.
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I'm not as sure on speed being a major factor in light of RB's at previous spots having success under Kyle. Such as Alfred Morris and Devonta Freeman. But decisivness, yes, that's huge in this system but the point I was making is that Kyle runs the show, the GM's work for him. So all those RB's that failed, for whatever reason, were his calls so that's my point to refute that "he just know's RB's" when the reality is his draftng history with Rb's has not been merely ok, it's been downright horrible.

The best RB SF has drafted since he arrived is Elijah Mitchell and he has the same archetype as Guerrendo. We know the issues with Mitchell staying on the field, but he's actually good and unless he's moved, which I think is possible, my guess is he'll keep the #2 job for as long as he's healthy.

I obviously love the system for RB's, Gurrendo's an intriguing talent, I just don't agree with giving him some extra bump because "Kyle knows RB's" is all I'm saying. That and I think some people are jumping the gun and forgetting about Mitchell.
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You are spot on about it being more about decisiveness than long speed. We have seen backs like Arian Foster and Olandis Gary, in addition to Morris and Freeman, have success in the zone read system, and speed was not their calling card. Mitchell fits the Shanahan system and will maintain a role, but, as you say, he has been unable to remain on the field.

Does Guerendo get a bump based on his draft destination? I think he does to some degree, but it is not because Kyle knows RBs. Some of the draft picks have left me scratching my head. (Kyle also supposedly knows QBs, yet the move up to grab Trey Lance was befuddling. I might have understood Mac Jones as a Shanahan type of QB, but not Trey Lance.)

Guerendo is a potential fit for the Shanahan system. However, you make a great point that he still must contend with Mitchell for touches behind CMC, so it is unclear how much of a role Guerendo will have.
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I actually like the Cody Schrader, (the UDFA they signed) as well. Sneaky late pick.
 
Sterling Bennett
Kyle Shanahan on Isaac Guerendo:

“You need to be able to do a little bit of everything. He doesn’t have a ton of experience doing it all but he’s got the makeup. He’s wired to do it all. It’s been fun working with him…”

#49ers | #FTTB
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I just added him to my dynasty roster, replacing Israel A. This kind of player is exactly why I like large-roster dynasty leagues. Nice lottery ticket: he has all the physical tools, is on a great team with a great RB who has a history of missing some games and/or will soon be on the backside of his RB career and with only Jordan Mason to beat out. He'll wait on my roster (like Israel did) and either cut bait if he doesn't pan out or it's a ticket that gets cashed.
 
titusbramble said:
icehouse said:
So he’s the next man up if Mason goes down? 6% rostered on Sleeper.
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I kind of fear they just sign someone off the streets if Mason were to go down
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They used a 4th rounder on him, and he has been in the offense all pre-season. He is a good pass catcher. He might see some usage now as the 3rd down back, but he should get first crack at the job if Mason were to go down. Taylor is there, and they have another back on the practice squad.
 
osubuckeyeman said:
titusbramble said:
icehouse said:
So he’s the next man up if Mason goes down? 6% rostered on Sleeper.
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I kind of fear they just sign someone off the streets if Mason were to go down
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They used a 4th rounder on him, and he has been in the offense all pre-season. He is a good pass catcher. He might see some usage now as the 3rd down back, but he should get first crack at the job if Mason were to go down. Taylor is there, and they have another back on the practice squad.
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Ke’Shawn Vaughn is the back on their Practice Squad
 
osubuckeyeman said:
titusbramble said:
icehouse said:
So he’s the next man up if Mason goes down? 6% rostered on Sleeper.
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I kind of fear they just sign someone off the streets if Mason were to go down
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They used a 4th rounder on him, and he has been in the offense all pre-season. He is a good pass catcher. He might see some usage now as the 3rd down back, but he should get first crack at the job if Mason were to go down. Taylor is there, and they have another back on the practice squad.
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I mean I hope you're right - I did draft him in dynasty primarily because this sort of situation might occur at some point, I just don't know if it's too soon for him to be trusted with a decent workload
 
Thinking of doing a preemptive pickup. If Mason goes down (which is not unusual for RBs in general), he's the #1 RB on the best rushing offense in the league. Seems like a very low risk pickup before kickoff.
 
Insein said:
Thinking of doing a preemptive pickup. If Mason goes down (which is not unusual for RBs in general), he's the #1 RB on the best rushing offense in the league. Seems like a very low risk pickup before kickoff.
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I did this in August for a deep roster league. In shallower leagues, this absolutely makes sense now.

Though I also suspect Shanny would find a veteran to slot in if Mason got hurt.
 
Alex P Keaton said:
Insein said:
Thinking of doing a preemptive pickup. If Mason goes down (which is not unusual for RBs in general), he's the #1 RB on the best rushing offense in the league. Seems like a very low risk pickup before kickoff.
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I did this in August for a deep roster league. In shallower leagues, this absolutely makes sense now.

Though I also suspect Shanny would find a veteran to slot in if Mason got hurt.
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But like someone displayed above, who's out there? Unless they traded for someone there's pretty much nothing in FA.
 
Coach Yac
Kyle Shanahan on rookie RB Isaac Guerendo:

"We're excited about Isaac. He's getting closer and closer to getting some more opportunities. We're down two backs with Christian and Elijah. JP has been doing a hell of a job these last two weeks and his stamina, the way he's been running, he hasn't needed to come out much, especially with Deebo in there. But now with Deebo not an option, Isaac is the next man up. And especially with Deebo not an option at kick returner, he's the next man up.

Isaac has a certain speed set that is a little different than our other backs. I'd compare him a little bit more to Raheem [Mostert] in the past. As Bobby [Turner] will say, Raheem's an eyelash faster. But Raheem is faster than everybody, Isaac's pretty damn close. And so that's an impressive thing.

We really like him and when he gets his opportunity, I know he'll be ready, and it could be this Sunday."

🎥: @NBCS49ers
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@TheOGFantasy
Isaac Guerendo had a Speed Score of 125.7 - one of the highest ever recorded.

To put his size/speed ratio into perspective, Saquon Barkley’s Speed Score was 124.3 and Jonathan Taylor’s was 121.7.
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FantasyGuru24 said:
Anything to see here or just one big run at the end?
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I didn't think he looked great until that run at the end. Didn't seem to have a lot of vision or patience, but he definitely has speed. The big run worked out for him, but overall I don't get the impression that he lets the blocks develop and he just sprints right into his blockers.

That said, the 49ers run the ball as well as any team in the league and if he gets great blocks it's not unreasonable to think he can break off bigger runs most games if he gets the bulk of the carries.
 
So great physical tools, but no processor? Haven't done a deep dive on all of his runs in the NFL, but there are definitely a couple that are glaring, even for my untrained eyes.

Was this definitely an issue that held him back in college, or is a fair share of it a rookie adjusting to the pro game?

Are there examples of "raw" NFL RBs with poor instincts and decision-making early in their careers, that figured it out?


Can't say I'm optimistic that these shortcomings will be coached up if it didn't already happen to a greater degree. With that said, I'm not sure that I can afford not to stash him off the waiver wire in dynasty if there's any chance that he figures it out.
 
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