lets be honest....even if KC has one of the best offenses if the league...if you chose to start anyone not named Mahomes or Kelce....you are rolling the dice every week and really can't complain if you get a donut....
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RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (3 Viewers)
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That is because the team is full of very average players. They have two elite athletes in Pacheco and Toney that may or may not expand their roles as the season progresses. If they do, they will join the list of Mahomes and Kelce.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
He hasn't looked stellar at RB, mainly with his vision and patience lacking. Others have already said it on the thread, but he has a vibe of "Christine Michaels - what could have been". He just gets the ball and runs. I don't see him set up blocks or wait.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, quite a few CEH truthers were suggesting he was breaking out as a RB1, many touted him as a sure thing RB2 at various points. And when he had his 19 carry game, some thought he was going to be a bellcow going forward. Not just here, but on the twitters & YouTubes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not a bad comp. Michael was a bit more determined of a runner, and IMO had more power. CEH tends to crumple on contact, but he's shown a bit more there this year than in years past. And to be fair, his vision seems to have improved over last year where he'd run into the backs of his OL.
CEH reminds me of a less talented Michael Turner.
hmmmmm....I kind of got the impression that what CHE showed last year left most questioning ...and thought this his 8th round or so ADP kind of confirmed that...but I guess there are more truthers out there than I knew of....surprised if after what we saw anybody thought he was a sure thing (RB2 or whatever)....but I guess thats what you get on twitter/you tube....McKinnon was the preferred choice to close out the season etc....
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I was actually referring to Pacheco's game play at RB. Granted it's a limited sample size.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hard to say what Pacheco is or isn’t with such limited number of snaps.
Presumably there’s a reason he fell to the 7th.
But he runs like he got shot out of a cannon - if he learns to harness that a little & show some patience he could be better than people think.
And it’s not like CEH is a huge barrier to overcome.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Ever consider Pacheco got the starter role in their last game to perhaps light a fire under CEH's be hind? Or is Pacheco really the #1 guy going forward?
Gibson, Robinson, Gibson...
CEH, Pacheco, hmmmmm...
Gibson, Robinson, Gibson...
CEH, Pacheco, hmmmmm...
CEH kind of stinks, and everyone who watches knows this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Start Gibson. Robinson has a sore knee and KC is a RBBC nightmare.
Runkle
Footballguy
So it's all a ploy to motivate Clyde?
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I really don't know to be honest. When Pacheco was named starter for KC I jumped. Not sure what we're gonna get out of the bye. Regardless, Pacheco sits. I never owned or targeted CEH myself. I like how Pacheco shoots out with power moving forward.
What I am debating in RB #2 slot is Swift or Gibson. I can't believe I am considering it having to sit Swift.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
My reference was how most thought Robinson would overtake Gibson, and then low and behold it's Gibson. I snagged him for free thinking what's not to like here.
As for KC it's CEH, then Pacheco named starter, and then wondering moving forward who has the most value between those two.
Chubb (bye), Pierce, Swift, and Gibson - gotta start 2 and Pierce already in the books with 13.9.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I gotta believe Clyde feels the demotion.
Gibson … Swift is going to continued to be in a limited role, and Gibson looks to be doing really well in the role he has
CEH sucks… it’s because he sucks that he was demoted, and Pacheco clearly looks better … the problem is that it is a 3 headed monster there unless CEH gets hurt again
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
My gut is telling me Pacheco has a coming out party tonight. However this is the same gut that thought the Colts would be a contender this year so I am ignoring that noise.
Mr.Blonde
Footballguy
Tatum Bell has entered the chat.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Following closely
Banger
Footballguy
I've been holding this guy from the start of the year in hopes he'd become the starter somehow. Well, that happened and now I'm not too hopeful that he can be someone that can be relied on. You need to be able to pick up those short yardage carries and I know the Titans are a tough defense but if you want to take over a backfield you need to show you're a difference maker and I don't see it happening. Am I wrong?
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I'm with you. I know that we should practice patience (especially in dynasty formats), but it's getting harder to see a RB1 outcome for him. 7th round draft capital, low volume in an ugly RBBC. Feels like the Chiefs have to be addressing RB this coming offseason which will be loaded with rookie and free agent options that would all upgrade over their current group.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
There was nothing to run behind last night. All 3 backs had no room to do anything on the ground, and once that was scripted out, it became the McKinnon show.
I'm still holding for now.
I'm still holding for now.
Banger
Footballguy
usually when players can make the leap they need to grab the job by making difference making plays. I just don't see that from him or even that they will ever give a RB enough touches to make them viable. It was worth the gamble to park him on my bench but I suspect that experiment may come to an end if a new shiny object pops up...
crushedspirit
Footballguy
It's such a small sample size, and one really can't expect much from any back who only averages about 5 to 6 touches a game.
The question becomes if you have the available roster room, and tolerance level, to just stash and hope someday he can get 20 touches so we can all find out who he is. I can understand why some would drop him, especially in redraft.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
He averaged 5ypc against SF. Seems like an overreaction after the game last night by a lot of people in here.
It's just crazy to make such decisions based on 5 carries.
I think he'd be a fine back on a lot of teams given a normal RB workload. The fact is no RB on this team is rosterable, simply due to the fact that nobody is going to get more than 10 touches in any given game.
It's just crazy to make such decisions based on 5 carries.
I think he'd be a fine back on a lot of teams given a normal RB workload. The fact is no RB on this team is rosterable, simply due to the fact that nobody is going to get more than 10 touches in any given game.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I don't think last night is a reason to panic about Pacheco. I do think it's a reason to be concerned about the KC run game in general. Won't always be as bad as last night, but that level of production is always going to be on the table. We're a long way from Kareen Hunt 2017-18.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Since Barkley's week 1, that Tenn run D has shut down everyone, and haven't allowed a TD run since.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
He's got the most juice out of KC's group, but not a lot to squeeze. His 22 snaps last night were a season high for him. Not sure we can bet on injury saving his value either, as that would just mean Ronald Jones being added to the mess in place of CEH or McKinnon. Only thing I think we can all agree on is he can't be started in fantasy leagues with any confidence until he sees a lot more usage.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
IT'S HAPPENING LET'S GOOOOOO
massraider
Footballguy
Isiah Pacheco - 56%
Jerick McKinnon - 38%
Clyde Edwards-Helaire - 6%
Jerick McKinnon - 38%
Clyde Edwards-Helaire - 6%
Down Under
Footballguy
I know CEH was getting used lightly, but 6% and no rushes yesterday
Pacheco is looking better and better, has a good floor, but upside is very limited in that passing happy offense, and he is not (yet) used in the passing game.
Pacheco is looking better and better, has a good floor, but upside is very limited in that passing happy offense, and he is not (yet) used in the passing game.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
Clyde Edward Helaire please report to the special teams room....
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Yes! This has always been an indicator for me that the team now values the player more as a true RB they don't want to risk getting injured on ST. Good sign for sure IMO
I would not doubt if you see Pacheco getting RZ carries. Would not doubt Chiefs would like to run the ball more in the RZ, especially
inside the 10 yard line. They used to run the ball in a lot a few years ago. Have gotten away from it lately, probably due to their backs not being great in the RZ
inside the 10 yard line. They used to run the ball in a lot a few years ago. Have gotten away from it lately, probably due to their backs not being great in the RZ
Partly why I dropped Patterson for him.Yes! This has always been an indicator for me that the team now values the player more as a true RB they don't want to risk getting injured on ST. Good sign for sure IMO
Maybe but a lot of people think Toney's role is growing and he's the new punt returner.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
It's not the punt return I look for. There are plenty of cases where the star RB/WR is still in as the punt returner (AB, Lamb etc). But Pacheco was on coverage team. That is what I mean. Pacheco was never the return man if I recall correctly.
Pachecho actually leads the league in the number of kickoff returns.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
OK. Regardless, I still was more interested in them moving him off coverage team
As a Pacheco owner this still seems like a dangerous game to play. But don't take my word for it since I sat Watson last night for the same fears.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Something tells me Clyde can't grasp all the complex stuff Mahomes was talking about.
rockaction
Footballguy
Clyde was getting hit in the face with thrown balls during games when he wasn't even looking. I'd say he's not picking up something.
Pacheco is the perfect flex play this week. The chargers didn't even have any defensive tackles to finish the game last week. They are broken down on defense and are awful against the run. If there was ever a coming out party week for Pacheco it is this week. Flex play with a floor of 7-9 points, and upside to get 1-2 rushing TDs, and maybe break a long one.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I picked up Pacheco for the third time on waivers this week and he sits in the Flex spot at the moment. Would really love to hit with him this week.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Due to season ending injuries to Hall and Penny, plus Herbert on IR and Wilson on a bye, he is going into my #2 spot next to Henry. Hoping he can take advantage and seize the starting gig in this positive matchup.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Just traded him for Bateman. I really liked this kid pre-season, but didn't see long term value. Hope I am right there. I have been wrong in the past about long term values of players.
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