RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)

[Ilov80s]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

 

[FarFromHome]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

Ha ha. Yep. The NFL shifts so much so quickly. Defenses have the players to adjust, but it takes time. 10 years from now these modern rbs might be outdated and we back to the 250 lb bruiser. Remember the wildcat? Ricky William and Ronnie Brown come to mind. The Tebow days.

 

[Ilov80s]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

Ha ha. Yep. The NFL shifts so much so quickly. Defenses have the players to adjust, but it takes time. 10 years from now these modern rbs might be outdated and we back to the 250 lb bruiser. Remember the wildcat? Ricky William and Ronnie Brown come to mind. The Tebow days.

I think mobile QBs and smaller shiftier WRs/RBs are here to stay. Not to say a team can't win by going against the grain ( the Titans had a lot of success with this) but I think the general trends here are just what fits best for the modern game.

 

[eighsse2]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

Haven't there always been guys of the "small, quick, fast" variety, and some with a long career of usage? Jamaal Charles, Sproles, Chris Johnson? Maybe it's just hard to come by the ones that have all the qualities to make it work, so you don't get them every year like you get bruisers. Just speculating.

 

[kyoun1e]

Remember that time earlier in the season when this guy was a JAG?

 

[Ilov80s]

Remember that time earlier in the season when this guy was a JAG?

I have to imagine this thread looks pretty silly if you re-read it. At this point, I think it's pretty clear Gibbs is at worst the dynasty RB2.

 

[FarFromHome]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

Haven't there always been guys of the "small, quick, fast" variety, and some with a long career of usage? Jamaal Charles, Sproles, Chris Johnson? Maybe it's just hard to come by the ones that have all the qualities to make it work, so you don't get them every year like you get bruisers. Just speculating.

Charles and Johnson were 200 lb rbs. I think Sproles is a great example. I think one thing I've really changed my value on from this year is this set weight on what NFL rbs should be. That 200 lb number was just always in my head of what a RB should weigh. It isn't anymore really.

 

[eighsse2]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

Haven't there always been guys of the "small, quick, fast" variety, and some with a long career of usage? Jamaal Charles, Sproles, Chris Johnson? Maybe it's just hard to come by the ones that have all the qualities to make it work, so you don't get them every year like you get bruisers. Just speculating.

Charles and Johnson were 200 lb rbs. I think Sproles is a great example. I think one thing I've really changed my value on from this year is this set weight on what NFL rbs should be. That 200 lb number was just always in my head of what a RB should weigh. It isn't anymore really.

Wasn't Gibbs 199 at combine? According to pro-football-reference, anyway.

 

[Ilov80s]

He’s the ****ing Flash man, I swear this guy is pure acceleration

He is fun to watch. Feels like we are seeing a bit of a shift at the RB position to guys like Gibbs/Acane/Keaton Mitchell. Guys who can beat you to the edge instead of pounding it up the gut. I know they've always been there, but it seems to be becoming a bit more prevalent in offensive gameplans.

Yes sir. We are watching the modern NFL take shape. The lighter, quicker, explosion guy that get 10-15 touches a game. They are just fun to watch

Only took 20 years to catch up to college on this

Haven't there always been guys of the "small, quick, fast" variety, and some with a long career of usage? Jamaal Charles, Sproles, Chris Johnson? Maybe it's just hard to come by the ones that have all the qualities to make it work, so you don't get them every year like you get bruisers. Just speculating.

Charles and Johnson were 200 lb rbs. I think Sproles is a great example. I think one thing I've really changed my value on from this year is this set weight on what NFL rbs should be. That 200 lb number was just always in my head of what a RB should weigh. It isn't anymore really.

and we have for sure seen the era of the big WR end

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm seeing on the Google 5'9' and 201 for Gibbs.

I think raw weight sometimes makes less difference than overall body composition. For lighter backs I'd prefer a shorter back at 200 than a lanky 200. Conversely a heavier guy can be better as a tall back, such as a 6'3' Derrick Henry.

 

[jon_mx]

Gibbs has 1088 yards from scrimmage and 8 TDs in 12 games, including a very nice 5.7 yards per carry. Over 17 games that projects to 1541 yards and 11 TDs. Not too bad for a guy who was a major reach who should not have been drafted until late round 2.

David Montgomery has 958 yards from scrimmage with 10 TDs with a career best of 4.8 yards per carry in 11 games. Over 17 games that projects to 1480 yards and 15 TDs.

Over 3000 yards from scrimmage and 26 TDs is pretty elite production from a duo.

 

[eighsse2]

Gibbs has 1088 yards from scrimmage and 8 TDs in 12 games, including a very nice 5.7 yards per carry. Over 17 games that projects to 1541 yards and 11 TDs. Not too bad for a guy who was a major reach who should not have been drafted until late round 2.

David Montgomery has 958 yards from scrimmage with 10 TDs with a career best of 4.8 yards per carry in 11 games. Over 17 games that projects to 1480 yards and 15 TDs.

Over 3000 yards from scrimmage and 26 TDs is pretty elite production from a duo.

I disagree the notion that Gibbs is in a timeshare and the notion that Gibbs is the #1 back. I expect both backs to be on the field about 2/3rd of the snaps, so about 1/3 Gibbs only, 1/3 Monty only and 1/3 both.

Monty will have about 20 catches, 1100 total yards, 10-12 TD's

Gibbs will have 70 catches, 1600 total yards, and 8-10 TDs.

Two different backs, doing two different roles. The Lions offense is dynamic enough where both will be decent fantasy options.

2700 total yards by RB's (even without any occasional other RB getting in the mix) seems extremely optimistic.

Which brings up this old post of mine replying to one of your posts. Eating my words on that one. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Gibbs has 1088 yards from scrimmage and 8 TDs in 12 games, including a very nice 5.7 yards per carry. Over 17 games that projects to 1541 yards and 11 TDs. Not too bad for a guy who was a major reach who should not have been drafted until late round 2.

David Montgomery has 958 yards from scrimmage with 10 TDs with a career best of 4.8 yards per carry in 11 games. Over 17 games that projects to 1480 yards and 15 TDs.

Over 3000 yards from scrimmage and 26 TDs is pretty elite production from a duo.

I disagree the notion that Gibbs is in a timeshare and the notion that Gibbs is the #1 back. I expect both backs to be on the field about 2/3rd of the snaps, so about 1/3 Gibbs only, 1/3 Monty only and 1/3 both.

Monty will have about 20 catches, 1100 total yards, 10-12 TD's

Gibbs will have 70 catches, 1600 total yards, and 8-10 TDs.

Two different backs, doing two different roles. The Lions offense is dynamic enough where both will be decent fantasy options.

2700 total yards by RB's (even without any occasional other RB getting in the mix) seems extremely optimistic.

Which brings up this old post of mine replying to one of your posts. Eating my words on that one. Proof is in the pudding.

It’s rare to see this on the board. Classy post!!

 

[eighsse2]

Gibbs has 1088 yards from scrimmage and 8 TDs in 12 games, including a very nice 5.7 yards per carry. Over 17 games that projects to 1541 yards and 11 TDs. Not too bad for a guy who was a major reach who should not have been drafted until late round 2.

David Montgomery has 958 yards from scrimmage with 10 TDs with a career best of 4.8 yards per carry in 11 games. Over 17 games that projects to 1480 yards and 15 TDs.

Over 3000 yards from scrimmage and 26 TDs is pretty elite production from a duo.

I disagree the notion that Gibbs is in a timeshare and the notion that Gibbs is the #1 back. I expect both backs to be on the field about 2/3rd of the snaps, so about 1/3 Gibbs only, 1/3 Monty only and 1/3 both.

Monty will have about 20 catches, 1100 total yards, 10-12 TD's

Gibbs will have 70 catches, 1600 total yards, and 8-10 TDs.

Two different backs, doing two different roles. The Lions offense is dynamic enough where both will be decent fantasy options.

2700 total yards by RB's (even without any occasional other RB getting in the mix) seems extremely optimistic.

Which brings up this old post of mine replying to one of your posts. Eating my words on that one. Proof is in the pudding.

It’s rare to see this on the board. Classy post!!

Well, see, I acquired Gibbs in my dynasty league between then and now, so ...

 

[jon_mx]

Gibbs has 1088 yards from scrimmage and 8 TDs in 12 games, including a very nice 5.7 yards per carry. Over 17 games that projects to 1541 yards and 11 TDs. Not too bad for a guy who was a major reach who should not have been drafted until late round 2.

David Montgomery has 958 yards from scrimmage with 10 TDs with a career best of 4.8 yards per carry in 11 games. Over 17 games that projects to 1480 yards and 15 TDs.

Over 3000 yards from scrimmage and 26 TDs is pretty elite production from a duo.

I disagree the notion that Gibbs is in a timeshare and the notion that Gibbs is the #1 back. I expect both backs to be on the field about 2/3rd of the snaps, so about 1/3 Gibbs only, 1/3 Monty only and 1/3 both.

Monty will have about 20 catches, 1100 total yards, 10-12 TD's

Gibbs will have 70 catches, 1600 total yards, and 8-10 TDs.

Two different backs, doing two different roles. The Lions offense is dynamic enough where both will be decent fantasy options.

2700 total yards by RB's (even without any occasional other RB getting in the mix) seems extremely optimistic.

Which brings up this old post of mine replying to one of your posts. Eating my words on that one. Proof is in the pudding.

Very classy post. Nothing wrong with disagreement about projections. I am a homer who had very high projections for Gibbs and LaPorta, which turned out to be pretty good projections and were two picks which have helped win a lot of fantasy leagues. People should be skeptical. I am still waiting for Jamo to reach his potential, so there is that.

 

[Biabreakable]

Gibbs has 1088 yards from scrimmage and 8 TDs in 12 games, including a very nice 5.7 yards per carry. Over 17 games that projects to 1541 yards and 11 TDs. Not too bad for a guy who was a major reach who should not have been drafted until late round 2.

David Montgomery has 958 yards from scrimmage with 10 TDs with a career best of 4.8 yards per carry in 11 games. Over 17 games that projects to 1480 yards and 15 TDs.

Over 3000 yards from scrimmage and 26 TDs is pretty elite production from a duo.

I disagree the notion that Gibbs is in a timeshare and the notion that Gibbs is the #1 back. I expect both backs to be on the field about 2/3rd of the snaps, so about 1/3 Gibbs only, 1/3 Monty only and 1/3 both.

Monty will have about 20 catches, 1100 total yards, 10-12 TD's

Gibbs will have 70 catches, 1600 total yards, and 8-10 TDs.

Two different backs, doing two different roles. The Lions offense is dynamic enough where both will be decent fantasy options.

2700 total yards by RB's (even without any occasional other RB getting in the mix) seems extremely optimistic.

Which brings up this old post of mine replying to one of your posts. Eating my words on that one. Proof is in the pudding.

Very classy post. Nothing wrong with disagreement about projections. I am a homer who had very high projections for Gibbs and LaPorta, which turned out to be pretty good projections and were two picks which have helped win a lot of fantasy leagues. People should be skeptical. I am still waiting for Jamo to reach his potential, so there is that.

I think its just a matter of understanding pie sizes is all.

You were right to be bullish on both of these players.

 

[menobrown]

It's pretty entertaining if you go back in this thread from when he was drafted and read all the bad takes about how bad it was for him and the Lions. Recommended reading.

 

[JoeJoe88]

It's pretty entertaining if you go back in this thread from when he was drafted and read all the bad takes about how bad it was for him and the Lions. Recommended reading.

They all migrated to the Bijan thread.

 

[Faust]

Jahmyr Gibbs' best plays from 100-yard game Week 16

Can't-Miss Play: Jahmyr Gibbs submits juke of the year bid on fourth-down carry

 

[Leroy Hoard]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

 

[Ilov80s]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

 

[zed2283]

Insult to injury, the guy with the 1.2 pick just crushed me in the semi-finals (I had the 1.1).

 

[Alex P Keaton]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

I’d probably still rather have Breece Hall.

 

[Ilov80s]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

I’d probably still rather have Breece Hall.

I love Breece as a player but the difference in age and quality of offense is enough to give Gibbs the slight nod.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

I’d probably still rather have Breece Hall.

I love Breece as a player but the difference in age and quality of offense is enough to give Gibbs the slight nod.

Maybe. Maybe not if Ben Johnson leaves.

 

[Ilov80s]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

I’d probably still rather have Breece Hall.

I love Breece as a player but the difference in age and quality of offense is enough to give Gibbs the slight nod.

Maybe. Maybe not if Ben Johnson leaves.

Perhaps but one OL is elite and one is a joke.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

I’d probably still rather have Breece Hall.

I love Breece as a player but the difference in age and quality of offense is enough to give Gibbs the slight nod.

Maybe. Maybe not if Ben Johnson leaves.

Perhaps but one OL is elite and one is a joke.

Very true. Lots of weapons in Detroit. Great OL. For the sake of Detroit fans, I hope Ben Johnson stays too.

 

[Ilov80s]

From a FF perspective, in my standard scoring MFL league Gibbs is #7 in points scored. Montgomery is #10 and Bijan is #12.

Labeling as the the #1 dynasty RB right now is very reasonable imo

I’d probably still rather have Breece Hall.

I love Breece as a player but the difference in age and quality of offense is enough to give Gibbs the slight nod.

Maybe. Maybe not if Ben Johnson leaves.

Perhaps but one OL is elite and one is a joke.

Very true. Lots of weapons in Detroit. Great OL. For the sake of Detroit fans, I hope Ben Johnson stays too.

At this point I would say there is a 2% chance of that

 

[Ilov80s]

This is one of the best jump cuts I’ve ever seen, the would be tackler didn’t just break an ankle but broke both legs

https://x.com/woodwardsports/status/1739330543940952517?s=46&t=RJfiYufOPM5611362cLZGg

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
Jahmyr Gibbs rushed for 74 yards and a TD on 9 carries, generating a 88.9% rushing success rate against Tampa, the 3rd-highest rate in a game by a RB since 2018 (min. 9 carries).

Gibbs also averaged a season-high 6.1 rush yards after contact per carry.

#TBvsDET | #OnePride

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1749213472473374721?s=61

 

[Ilov80s]

Next Gen Stats
Jahmyr Gibbs rushed for 74 yards and a TD on 9 carries, generating a 88.9% rushing success rate against Tampa, the 3rd-highest rate in a game by a RB since 2018 (min. 9 carries).

Gibbs also averaged a season-high 6.1 rush yards after contact per carry.

#TBvsDET | #OnePride

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1749213472473374721?s=61

He also caught 4 for 40. Ho hum.

 

[BobbyLayne]

@LionsPR

The only rookies in #NFL history to produce a postseason game with at least 70 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD & 40 receiving yards:

- Lions RB Jahmyr Gibbs (2023)
- Rams RB Cam Akers (2021)
- Raiders RB Marcus Allen (1983)

#AllGrit

 

[zoonation]

I just don't get the usage. Great things happen when he touches the ball.

 

[eighsse2]

I just don't get the usage. Great things happen when he touches the ball.

Dan Campbell has always made it clear he wants thunder and lightning. If Swift was lucky to hit 10 touches, I'll have to be more than happy with Gibbs hitting 15 about half the time.

 

[rockaction]

but the difference in age

8 months?

 

[Ilov80s]

but the difference in age

8 months?

I think it’s 10 months. A full season and an ACL. When trading guys, that age number matters. Plus hitting the second deal sooner which can be worrisome, holdouts, etc.

 

[TartanLion]

I just don't get the usage. Great things happen when he touches the ball.

It’s not as simple as that. Monty is a very good all round runner. There have been games this season where it’s not been happening for Gibbs, and Monty comes back in and yields better results. We can all of course see the natural gifts that Gibbs possesses and how electric he is, but the aforementioned should not be missed. Both these backs are very good, and are like a mirror image of each one 65% thunder 35% lightning, the other a complete flip of the same %s. Different games, D-lines, schemes, situations can call for either of them.

 

[Ilov80s]

I just don't get the usage. Great things happen when he touches the ball.

He's just a rookie still. A rookie on a team looking to go the distance. He's also 200 pounds. I think the team wants him fresh so he's as explosive as possible and they pick the right spots to use him. Monty is a good grinder, inside runner and chain mover. Plus ARSB and LaPorta need their touches. The team is winning and Gibbs is racking up fantasy points. I have no complaints whatsoever as a Lions fan or Gibbs manager.

Since he returned from injury in October, he's played at a pace that is equal to a full season of 1561 yards, 60 receptions and 17 TDs. That is 18.7 ppr ppg which isn't CMC but it's top 5 RB scoring. The TD numbers seem difficult to keep up there is also room for his work in the receiving game to increase. And of course the most important part is the talent. He might already be the most dangerous player in space in the NFL.

 

[Faust]

Niners DC Steve Wilks on Lions RB Jahmyr Gibbs: 'I don't know if you can contain him'

 

[Big Nate]

I just don't get the usage. Great things happen when he touches the ball.

That is the nature of the RB position now in the NFL. Mostly an RBBC. He's also a rookie playing beside a seasoned vet in Monty. Monty is no slouch either - he's seen everything.

Gibbs has looked great this year, especially as the season has gone on. Lots of good stuff still to come for this guy as he gets more comfortable in the NFL.

 

[Big Nate]

but the difference in age

8 months?

I think it’s 10 months. A full season and an ACL. When trading guys, that age number matters. Plus hitting the second deal sooner which can be worrisome, holdouts, etc.

It is close but I agree and I trade Hall for Gibbs in one league (guys were part of a bigger package deal) but the slight age difference and ACL tear is what made me flip Hall and go for Gibbs. I think Hall at this stage is a better rusher and likely get more goal line looks but I think Gibbs has room to grow if he can hit his full potential. RBs come off ACL injuries and do fine but their longevity is often hit as a result (not always but knee damage long term is not great). Both are great RBs but I decided to reset the spot with a younger RB on his first year contract with DET.

 

[Ilov80s]

Niners DC Steve Wilks on Lions RB Jahmyr Gibbs: 'I don't know if you can contain him'

Rams found a way but they have been the only ones so far.

 

[Faust]

Can't-Miss Play: Jahmyr Gibbs shakes up 49ers defense on 15-yard TD run

 

[BobbyLayne]

Had a great season and a good performance in the playoffs. Costly NFCCG fumble but, big picture, he played well throughout - they don't get that far without him.

• 29-144-5.0-3
  (rushing TD every playoff game)
• 11-94-8.5-0 on 14 targets
• pass pro was good

Future is bright for jah.

 

[ffmail4me]

Future is very bright, but I also think his running mate is one of the best values in FF. I took Monty in the 10th round of a SF startup, 9 rounds after Gibbs. That is value. Both are gonna be studs in this system for a long time I think.

 

[kface]

a couple of times he was tackled by some guys fingers...that's why there will always be a bruiser

 

[Faust]

RosterWatch

Just asked Brad Holmes about Jahmyr Gibbs and he said he was actually TOO FAST at times in 2023. When he slowed down a little is when you started to see his vision. Says he is just scratching the surface and that “there’s a lot of meat on the bone.” #Lions

https://x.com/rosterwatch/status/1762581757621043280?s=61

 

[Faust]

@ProFootballTalk
Brad Holmes: I expect Jahmyr Gibbs to carry a heavier load this year.

https://x.com/profootballtalk/status/1790476868379881812?s=61

 

[Dez]

No way Gibbs numbers will exceed Robinson's

Gibbs scored more PPR PPG (using weeks 1-17 the fantasy weeks)

Gibbs 16.7
Bijan 13.9

 

[Dez]

It’s only week two fellas. Campbell made it pretty clear he was gonna be eased in. I’m not jumping ship just yet

Its not at all a positive that Craig Reynolds got touches over him when Monty got hurt

I am sure the Montgomery owners said that every time Gibbs got touches. Teams use more than one RB.

When Monty was in the game he out touched Gibbs 2 to 1 and Reynolds got nothing
When Monty got hurt Gibbs out touched Reynolds 2 to 1

It sure looks like Gibbs immediately became the RB1 and Reynolds became the RB2. If Monty misses time I would expect those ratios to hold.

The only concern is at the goal line where Reynolds outweighs Gibbs by 15lbs. But that was the concern all along.

That is fair, I was watching youtube 8 box mana so I missed that, just every time I saw that part of the game it was Reynolds

That said, the question is draft capital, you drafted Monty with a certain expectation based on Gibbs and the split (and to be fair anyone who drafted gibbs too, it was just a 3 round separation)

And look, shame on the drafters, but part of this first quarter of the season is parsing usage, team confidence and player competence.

Non one is selling Gibbs at a discount... but maybe we should. I don't think he's a league winner by any respect but the reason for my opinion is how we saw Swift get used.

I assumed if they dumped Swift for what looks like a lateral move, there was more upside there

Maybe in this week we can see based on how Philly used swift, Detroit ISN'T that bright and left meat on the bone with Swift.

While that is possible that Detroit did not get the best use out of Swift as they could, I dont think how the Eagles used Swift vs the Vikings is a good example of that.

The Vikings often played less than 3 defensive linemen vs the Eagles in that game and the Vikings head coach is on record that their defensive game plan was intentionally inviting the Eagles to run the ball. As baffling as that might sound. As a Vikings fan I am disgusted with their "plan" and that the coach would tell reporters this with a straight face. But that is what happened.

So I think this is a bad example of the Eagles knowing how to use Swift better than the Lions did and more an example of how poorly the Vikings roster is constructed and how bad their defensive philosophy is. I feel sorry for the Vikings players being forced to execute this way and somehow buy in to the game plan.

I am sure if the Vikings played defense like this against the Lions and their other starting RB was injured as Gainwell was for the Eagles in this game, they would have used Swift like this as well.

The logic behind the Vikings doing this was supposedly to take away RPO elements of the Eagles offense and limit big plays, which they were not very successful at doing either.

The Lions do not have Jalen Hurts though, so this a significant difference to consider I guess.

I like Campbell and I like Detroit so not here to dunk on them. I'm rooting for long overdue success to their fans. But that said, Sunday is a HORRENDOUS loss off the chief win. You have to beat the team traveling west to east, when you're off a mini bye and they're missing both tackles. So if I know only one thing, its that they aren't infallible. I do like your point here and Goff certainly isn't Hurts in terms of a threat but it will be interesting to see if they take their two Minnesota games to play copy cat and attack a similar way with a similar player

Swift isn't a league winner this year but my oh my in a week or two you might listen to Swift for Gibbs offers and I don't know if the Swift owner bites

I'd take swift for Gibbs in a heartbeat right now

Just seen swift , mingo and a mid first for gibbs go through this morning. Both pretty savvy veteran dynasty owners.

"Not great Bob"