RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (1 Viewer)

[Alex P Keaton]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

Update?

Yeah, curious how people are reconciling their early takes. The only thing that still surprises me is how little he is used in the passing game — but when 1) your team is crushing every opponent and 2) the other pass catches are ARSB, JaMo and LaPorta……how much does your team need to throw? Dude isn’t going to get garbage time dump offs. They just run the ball the last 20 min of the game up by 100 pts. (Hyperbole)

 

[BassNBrew]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

Update?

Looks like I got him on the path to recovery. Now if he would just catch the dang ball.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Gibbs has averaged 5.0+ yards per rushing attempt in seven-straight games, an NFL record-long streak (10 attempt per game minimum).

 

[IHEARTFF]

Gibbs has averaged 5.0+ yards per rushing attempt in seven-straight games, an NFL record-long streak (10 attempt per game minimum).

I’m sure this stat is 100% legit, but it still makes my brain hurt every time as I think about Jamaal Charles 5.4 career ypc

 

[BobbyLayne]

Gibbs has averaged 5.0+ yards per rushing attempt in seven-straight games, an NFL record-long streak (10 attempt per game minimum).

I’m sure this stat is 100% legit, but it still makes my brain hurt every time as I think about Jamaal Charles 5.4 career ypc

Gibbs first 23 g (includes Week 9):

285-1601-5.62

 

[fred_1_15301]

This guy is so special.

 

[BassNBrew]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

Update?

Chubba would like an update

 

[Chaka]

Sounds like a lot of people in here had unrealistically high expectations. Either wishcasting, or with some kind of expectation that Monty got hurt.

Yall drafted a guy in a split-backfield (this was well-known before draft day). The guy he is sharing it with is a well-known commodity in the league, and had previously led a split backfield himself on his previous team (which is to say, he's not a chump).

Dynasty is different and you're right to have him very high. But if you took him in redraft with a high RB1 expectation, I'm sorry to inform you that, congrats.....

You played yourself.

Agreed. I bought into the hype that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and the Greatest Show on Turf part 2.

I could have traded my 1.12 for a 15th rounder and drafted Chubba and been well ahead. There's a real if Swift keeps rolling that Gibbs is headed to the pine in my 1/2/1/2 flex league.

Consider me played.

Update?

Chubba would like an update

Okay. Depending on your league he's RB12-19 and scoring 3-3.5 fewer PPG than the RB6-7 Jahmyr Gibbs.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
Jahmyr Gibbs reached a top speed of 21.80 mph on his 54-yard catch and run late in the second quarter, the 6th-fastest speed by a ball carrier this season.

Gibbs is now responsible for two of the top 6 speeds this season (22.03 mph in Week 1).

#JAXvsDET | #OnePride

x.com

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[Dizzy]

Sweet and sour... solid game, but basically took the 2nd half off.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Reminder

Brad Holmes got dragged through the mud for drafting Jahmyr Gibbs at 12.

page 7

 

[JoeJoe88]

Reminder

Brad Holmes got dragged through the mud for drafting Jahmyr Gibbs at 12.

page 7

Funny stuff. @menobrown was all over this from the start, as he usually is.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Reminder

Brad Holmes got dragged through the mud for drafting Jahmyr Gibbs at 12.

page 7

Funny stuff. @menobrown was all over this from the start, as he usually is.

I agree 100%

He also has the (increasingly rare these days) ability to adjust his view when new information becomes known.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ben Johnson’s Swing Sweep

What a beautiful route concept. All the WRs/TEs run in breakers left, Gibbs has one man to beat on the right side.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Sonic on pace for

• 1,788 all-purpose yards
• 8.5 yards per touch
• 16 total TDs

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Highest Running Back Rushing Success Rate Season 2023-24:

1. DET David Montgomery ('24) - 50.4%
2. LAR Kyren Williams ('23) - 47.4%
3. SF Christian McCaffrey ('23) - 47.1%
4. ATL Bijan Robinson ('24) - 46.7%
5. DET Jahmyr Gibbs ('24) - 46.6%

EDIT

well that info was just flat out wrong - you're off the list of trusted sources, Al Karsten!

Top 10 Success Rate 2023

1. GB Aaron Jones 62.0%
2. LAR Kyren Williams 59.6%
3. BUF James Cook 55.7%
4. MIA Raheem Mostert 55.0%
5. DET David Montgomery 54.8%
6. PHI D'Andre Swift 54.1%
7. SF Christian McCaffrey - 54.0%
8. BAL Gus Edwards - 54.0%
9. CHI D'Onta Foreman - 53.2%
10. KC Isiah Pacheco - 50.7%

28. DET Jahmyr Gibbs - 46.7%​

35. ATL Bijan Robinson - 43.5%​

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Top 10 Success Rate 2024 per PFR

1. DET Jahmyr Gibbs - 59.4%
2. DET David Montgomery - 57.7%
3. ATL Bijan Robinson - 57.5%
4. WAS Austin Ekeler - 56.9%
5. KC Kareem Hunt - 56.8%
6. CAR Chuba Hubbard 56.5%
7. ATL Tyler Algeier 56.5%
8. BAL Derrick Henry 54.8%
9. PHI Saquon Barkley 54.3%
10. BUF James Cook 54.0%

18. LAR Kyre Williams 51.3%​

NA SF Christian McCaffrey 40.6% (career low 40.6% on 32 att)​

 

[jon_mx]

Gibbs>>Bijan.

I want a speed back who can catch out of the backfield to pair up with a power back. The every down back is a relic.

Quoted for posterity.

Calling Bijan an every down back is like calling a Ferrari your daily driver.

Scandalous disrespect for Bijan over here at FBG Forums.

You never bumped this?

 

[BobbyLayne]

11 straight games over 70+ YFS

only other Lion to accomplish that was Barry Sanders 1993

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Gibbs and Monty have each had a rush TD together in 9 games, 3rd most all time.

Detroit Lions running backs David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs are officially the first pair of teammates in NFL history to each record 10+ rushing touchdowns in the same season multiple times in a career (2023, 2024).

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Are Sonic and Knuckles in the conversation for the best running back duo of all time?

 

[crushedspirit]

MJD/Fred Taylor
Williams/Stewart
Ingram/Kamara

Those are just at the top of my head.

 

[SoBeDad]

MJD/Fred Taylor
Williams/Stewart
Ingram/Kamara

Those are just at the top of my head.

For one year, Mostert & Achane in 2023 would be in the conversation. Especially for PFF grades, 85.8 and 92.4. 21 & 11 TDs. Achane 7.8 ypc, Mostert 4.8.

Not to diminish Gibbs & Montgomery, but their oline may be one of the best in recent years.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell
High McElhenney and Joe Perry
Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung

If we want to talk old school backfields

 

[Rubi]

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell
High McElhenney and Joe Perry
Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung

If we want to talk old school backfields

I wonder how many of us know all 6 of these players

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell
High McElhenney and Joe Perry
Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung

If we want to talk old school backfields

I wonder how many of us know all 6 of these players

Everyone who had this book in their childhood bedroom

 

[Ilov80s]

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell
High McElhenney and Joe Perry
Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung

If we want to talk old school backfields

I wonder how many of us know all 6 of these players

I know of them more than I am familiar with their actual game. But I was also a dork as a kid and enjoyed reading the history of things I liked and researching stats, etc.

 

[Chaka]

Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell
High McElhenney and Joe Perry
Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung

If we want to talk old school backfields

I wonder how many of us know all 6 of these players

I know none of them have ever been in my kitchen.

 

[doeseatplace]

Favorite old school backfields:

Christian Okoye & Barry Word

Marion Butts & Rod Bernstine

 

[Neo]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

Only thing I can think of is Campbell wanted to feed Monty against his old team.

 

[Runkle]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

Only thing I can think of is Campbell wanted to feed Monty against his old team.

They alternate possessions. Have all season. Today wasn't any different than any other week. Each guy stays in a whole drive. Only comes out if one breaks off a huge run and needs a breather. Or, sometimes, on third and long they'll sub in Gibbs. And if a drive is a three & out, the same guy gets the next drive too.

But otherwise it's fully alternating all game, same as always.

 

[eighsse2]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

Only thing I can think of is Campbell wanted to feed Monty against his old team.

They alternate possessions. Have all season. Today wasn't any different than any other week. Each guy stays in a whole drive. Only comes out if one breaks off a huge run and needs a breather. Or, sometimes, on third and long they'll sub in Gibbs. And if a drive is a three & out, the same guy gets the next drive too.

But otherwise it's fully alternating all game, same as always.

Accurate assessment of a stupid concept.

But it's Thanksgiving. I'll be grateful he didn't get injured.

 

[BassNBrew]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

Campbell with a Sirianni move….

Option A - average a first down a carry

Option B - 4 yards and a cloud of bust

Game isn’t close if Gibbs gets the same number of carries as Gibbs

 

[BassNBrew]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

Only thing I can think of is Campbell wanted to feed Monty against his old team.

And if a drive is a three & out, the same guy gets the next drive too.

No wonder Monty gets so many carries.

 

[crushedspirit]

Maybe his fumble at the 3, which was a huge game changer, played a role as well.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Zero idea why they would massively modify what has worked all year. The team is 11-1 with a dominant offense. A couple of really odd takes in here.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Didn't understand his usage at all today. He was ripping huge plays but they barely put him on the field. Head scratching.

Only thing I can think of is Campbell wanted to feed Monty against his old team.

They alternate possessions. Have all season. Today wasn't any different than any other week. Each guy stays in a whole drive. Only comes out if one breaks off a huge run and needs a breather. Or, sometimes, on third and long they'll sub in Gibbs. And if a drive is a three & out, the same guy gets the next drive too.

But otherwise it's fully alternating all game, same as always.

snap counts (Lions ran 70 plays)

David Montgomery	HB	38
Jahmyr Gibbs	HB	32

 

[Bankerguy]

As a Gibbs owner, I sometimes catch myself fantasizing about Montgomery pulling his hamstring.

Would love to see his stats being the lead dog.

 

[eighsse2]

As a Gibbs owner, I sometimes catch myself fantasizing about Montgomery pulling his hamstring.

Would love to see his stats being the lead dog.

Any other backfield where one guy has 21 carries and the other has 9, and both get the same yardage:
"We're watching [21-carry guy] losing his job right before our eyes."

Lions backfield:
"bUt mAWnTie pLaYS sO haRd!!1"

 

[SayWhat?]

As a Gibbs owner, I sometimes catch myself fantasizing about Montgomery pulling his hamstring.

Would love to see his stats being the lead dog.

Any other backfield where one guy has 21 carries and the other has 9, and both get the same yardage:
"We're watching [21-carry guy] losing his job right before our eyes."

Lions backfield:
"bUt mAWnTie pLaYS sO haRd!!1"

Their alternating series approach has been money for two years now, and as a defense I’m sure the stylistic difference between the two RBS adds a difficult nuance to deal with. That said, Gibbs should have gotten more touches in the 2nd half yesterday when the game started slipping. They kept grinding Montgomery (rather unsuccessfully) and could have used some chunk gains from Gibbs like he was providing on nearly every touch.

 

[Bankerguy]

As a Gibbs owner, I sometimes catch myself fantasizing about Montgomery pulling his hamstring.

Would love to see his stats being the lead dog.

Any other backfield where one guy has 21 carries and the other has 9, and both get the same yardage:
"We're watching [21-carry guy] losing his job right before our eyes."

Lions backfield:
"bUt mAWnTie pLaYS sO haRd!!1"

Their alternating series approach has been money for two years now, and as a defense I’m sure the stylistic difference between the two RBS adds a difficult nuance to deal with. That said, Gibbs should have gotten more touches in the 2nd half yesterday when the game started slipping. They kept grinding Montgomery (rather unsuccessfully) and could have used some chunk gains from Gibbs like he was providing on nearly every touch.

I’d also like to see more pass catching from Gibbs as well. Get him out in space and in stride.

Was odd to see lots of screens to Monty yesterday.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

As a Gibbs owner, I sometimes catch myself fantasizing about Montgomery pulling his hamstring.

Would love to see his stats being the lead dog.

Any other backfield where one guy has 21 carries and the other has 9, and both get the same yardage:
"We're watching [21-carry guy] losing his job right before our eyes."

Lions backfield:
"bUt mAWnTie pLaYS sO haRd!!1"

Their alternating series approach has been money for two years now, and as a defense I’m sure the stylistic difference between the two RBS adds a difficult nuance to deal with. That said, Gibbs should have gotten more touches in the 2nd half yesterday when the game started slipping. They kept grinding Montgomery (rather unsuccessfully) and could have used some chunk gains from Gibbs like he was providing on nearly every touch.

I’d also like to see more pass catching from Gibbs as well. Get him out in space and in stride.

Was odd to see lots of screens to Monty yesterday.

He averaged 12 yards per catch. Why was it odd? Wish they would have thrown it to Monty more.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Part of running a good offense is not being predictable by the personnel you have on the field. That means on occasion using Montgomery in passing situations.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Gibbs has been incredible this year but the lack of targets he has received is kinda mind-boggling. I understand it’s a loaded offense with a lot of guys you want to get the ball to, but 36 targets for a guy as smooth in the receiving game and explosive as he is this late in the season is criminal.

 

[Chaka]

Part of running a good offense is not being predictable by the personnel you have on the field. That means on occasion using Montgomery in passing situations.

As they should. On 28 receptions Gibbs is averaging 10.1 y/r and on 27 receptions Monty is averaging 10.3 y/r.

I understand Gibbs managers want to see more usage overall but IRL there is zero incentive for the Lions to do that. Most, probably should have been aware of this reality before spending first round draft capital on the guy.

 

[Runkle]

Part of running a good offense is not being predictable by the personnel you have on the field. That means on occasion using Montgomery in passing situations.

As they should. On 28 receptions Gibbs is averaging 10.1 y/r and on 27 receptions Monty is averaging 10.3 y/r.

I understand Gibbs managers want to see more usage overall but IRL there is zero incentive for the Lions to do that. Most, probably should have been aware of this reality before spending first round draft capital on the guy.

Yeah I saw Monty as great value going two rounds after Gibbs, despite them being practically interchangeable

 

[BobbyLayne]

This thread is going through another cycle of frustrated FF managers whining Detroit doesn’t know what they’re doing.

• 194 yards rushing
• RBs has 35 touches & 239 YFS
• 11-1, best team in the NFL - guess what won’t be changing?

OH NO, they didn’t get a rushing touchdown for the first time in 25 games (including playoffs) - an NFL record. Yeah, they should blow it up & try something different than what they’re doing.

 

[Dizzy]

This thread is going through another cycle of frustrated FF managers whining Detroit doesn’t know what they’re doing.

• 194 yards rushing
• RBs has 35 touches & 239 YFS
• 11-1, best team in the NFL - guess what won’t be changing?

OH NO, they didn’t get a rushing touchdown for the first time in 25 games (including playoffs) - an NFL record. Yeah, they should blow it up & try something different than what they’re doing.

That's exactly what it is... just frustration.

That 2nd TD pass to LaPorta for example... the fake pitch to Gibbs sets it up; however, if they pitch it to Gibbs, he probably scores too.

I would like to see him (Gibbs) get more targets. He's a homerun hitter in space, but both backs are playing so well it's hard to make a serious case DET should change anything.

 

[eighsse2]

This thread is going through another cycle of frustrated FF managers whining Detroit doesn’t know what they’re doing.

• 194 yards rushing
• RBs has 35 touches & 239 YFS
• 11-1, best team in the NFL - guess what won’t be changing?

OH NO, they didn’t get a rushing touchdown for the first time in 25 games (including playoffs) - an NFL record. Yeah, they should blow it up & try something different than what they’re doing.

I do agree with the "ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy, but I think you lean the usage in favor of the back who performs better, at least a little, if not a lot. Definitely not 2:1 in favor of the other back.

 

[Chaka]

This thread is going through another cycle of frustrated FF managers whining Detroit doesn’t know what they’re doing.

• 194 yards rushing
• RBs has 35 touches & 239 YFS
• 11-1, best team in the NFL - guess what won’t be changing?

OH NO, they didn’t get a rushing touchdown for the first time in 25 games (including playoffs) - an NFL record. Yeah, they should blow it up & try something different than what they’re doing.

I do agree with the "ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy, but I think you lean the usage in favor of the back who performs better, at least a little, if not a lot. Definitely not 2:1 in favor of the other back.

It's not 2:1 in favor of anyone. Gibbs has 191 touches on the season and Montgomery has 193.

Gibbs actually has more snaps on the season 403:330.

 

[eighsse2]

This thread is going through another cycle of frustrated FF managers whining Detroit doesn’t know what they’re doing.

• 194 yards rushing
• RBs has 35 touches & 239 YFS
• 11-1, best team in the NFL - guess what won’t be changing?

OH NO, they didn’t get a rushing touchdown for the first time in 25 games (including playoffs) - an NFL record. Yeah, they should blow it up & try something different than what they’re doing.

I do agree with the "ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy, but I think you lean the usage in favor of the back who performs better, at least a little, if not a lot. Definitely not 2:1 in favor of the other back.

It's not 2:1 in favor of anyone. Gibbs has 191 touches on the season and Montgomery has 193.

Gibbs actually has more snaps on the season 403:330.

That's true. I was referring to this game, but one game is a small sample.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What kind of makes this special is they are each other's biggest cheerleader. Gibbs looks up to Monty like he's a big brother, and David knows Jah is just stupid fast. Good vibes only.

 

[saviorself]

Couldn’t help but think of how even more awesome Gibbs would be if they gave him some more looks in the passing game like Kamara was used with the Saints.