RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (1 Viewer)

[FarFromHome]

Past tense indicates that the answer is already known, but it's been one week. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that anyone drafted based on expected usage in Week 1.

I'm not saying his usage wont increase (in fact I've said the opposite above)

What I'm saying is that for Gibbs to pay off at his redraft ADP, he would have to be a LOT more involved than he was last night, especially in the receiving game.

I would hope that is coming. But that's no guarantee. If indeed it's a pass pro issue, it might be a ways off, because the Lions want to win real football games. But that's the future, and I'm not burying him based on 1 game at all.

But the FF community at large had him as a very high draft pick. That implies heavy usage - heavier than Monty, was clearly the presumption. Otherwise Monty would have been a much higher ADP, correct?

Agreed. And my exact take on James Cook after he splits with Harris week 1

 

[tangfoot]

Past tense indicates that the answer is already known, but it's been one week. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that anyone drafted based on expected usage in Week 1.

I'm not saying his usage wont increase (in fact I've said the opposite above)

What I'm saying is that for Gibbs to pay off at his redraft ADP, he would have to be a LOT more involved than he was last night, especially in the receiving game.

I would hope that is coming. But that's no guarantee. If indeed it's a pass pro issue, it might be a ways off, because the Lions want to win real football games. But that's the future, and I'm not burying him based on 1 game at all.

But the FF community at large had him as a very high draft pick. That implies heavy usage - heavier than Monty, was clearly the presumption. Otherwise Monty would have been a much higher ADP, correct?

I haven't read a single analyst or heard a podcast predicting heavy usage for Gibbs. All summer long it has been predicted that he plays the Kamara role in this offense. Relatively smaller share of the snaps and touches, but massively larger piece of the total fantasy points. And that would have been the case last night if he wasn't tripped up by the Turf Monster.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I haven't read a single analyst or heard a podcast predicting heavy usage for Gibbs. All summer long it has been predicted that he plays the Kamara role in this offense. Relatively smaller share of the snaps and touches, but massively larger piece of the total fantasy points. And that would have been the case last night if he wasn't tripped up by the Turf Monster.

the presumption of more usage than what we saw was built into his ADP. So maybe not “heavy usage” but obviously heavier than 7 carries & 2 targets.

Do you disagree with that?

 

[JohnnyU]

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

Also the reason I traded for Monty, and traded away my 1.04 pick.

I still think Gibbs is going to have much better games, but his ceiling seems like boom or bust RB2 rather than world beater RB1. With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

We’re all just guessing though.

I never guessed. From the beginning I said they wanted Gibbs as a more consistent and better version of Swift. Those who are thinking workhorse back have blinders on and I believe Gibbs is going to be a good fantasy back in other ways, but I still like JSN at 1.2 over Gibbs. I reserve the right to change my mind later

I am pretty sure you will change your mind about that decision at some point not that it will help you any unless it changes your approach to this in the future if you have a similar opportunity again.

Well, that was pretty presumptuous. I like the lifespan of JSN more than any RB. Especially one, that while good, may not be great for fantasy given usage and I'm not considering week 1 at all. I'm considering what I believe the Lions will do going forward. I already said he will be good for fantasy, but maybe.....maybe.......not great. That is my only reason for JSN over Gibbs. Can that blowup in my face? Of course, but unless you've been playing this hobby just a short time, I'm sure that's already happened to everyone at least once. I would take Gibbs at 1.03 without hesitating.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

Also the reason I traded for Monty, and traded away my 1.04 pick.

I still think Gibbs is going to have much better games, but his ceiling seems like boom or bust RB2 rather than world beater RB1. With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

We’re all just guessing though.

I never guessed. From the beginning I said they wanted Gibbs as a more consistent and better version of Swift. Those who are thinking workhorse back have blinders on and I believe Gibbs is going to be a good fantasy back in other ways, but I still like JSN at 1.2 over Gibbs. I reserve the right to change my mind later

I am pretty sure you will change your mind about that decision at some point not that it will help you any unless it changes your approach to this in the future if you have a similar opportunity again.

Well, that was pretty presumptuous. I like the lifespan of JSN more than any RB. Especially one, that while good, may not be great for fantasy given usage and I'm not considering week 1 at all. I'm considering what I believe the Lions will do going forward. I already said he will be good for fantasy, but maybe.....maybe.......not great.

I think he was responding to me, as he bolded part of my quote.

 

[JohnnyU]

Thus the reason why I opted for JSN at 1.2, but I do like Gibbs and don't blame anyone for taking him 1.2.

Also the reason I traded for Monty, and traded away my 1.04 pick.

I still think Gibbs is going to have much better games, but his ceiling seems like boom or bust RB2 rather than world beater RB1. With Montgomery on the team it felt clear that Gibbs ceiling would be capped.

We’re all just guessing though.

I never guessed. From the beginning I said they wanted Gibbs as a more consistent and better version of Swift. Those who are thinking workhorse back have blinders on and I believe Gibbs is going to be a good fantasy back in other ways, but I still like JSN at 1.2 over Gibbs. I reserve the right to change my mind later

I am pretty sure you will change your mind about that decision at some point not that it will help you any unless it changes your approach to this in the future if you have a similar opportunity again.

Well, that was pretty presumptuous. I like the lifespan of JSN more than any RB. Especially one, that while good, may not be great for fantasy given usage and I'm not considering week 1 at all. I'm considering what I believe the Lions will do going forward. I already said he will be good for fantasy, but maybe.....maybe.......not great.

I think he was responding to me, as he bolded part of my quote.

yes, but he quoted me

 

[tangfoot]

I haven't read a single analyst or heard a podcast predicting heavy usage for Gibbs. All summer long it has been predicted that he plays the Kamara role in this offense. Relatively smaller share of the snaps and touches, but massively larger piece of the total fantasy points. And that would have been the case last night if he wasn't tripped up by the Turf Monster.

the presumption of more usage than what we saw was built into his ADP. So maybe not “heavy usage” but obviously heavier than 7 carries & 2 targets.

Do you disagree with that?

In his first game as a professional? I'm perfectly fine with 9 touches. And no, I didn't have any set expectations for the game against KC. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In his first game as a professional? I'm perfectly fine with 9 touches. And no, I didn't have any set expectations for the game against KC. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

I’m not blowing anything out of proportion.

I’m pointing out his ADP and making the natural connection that he was drafted with higher expectations.

We’ll agree to disagree. You’re apparently reading things I’m not saying.

 

[titusbramble]

Lions run game looked good in the highlights I saw. Probably get more usage in games where they're not playing KC and that might help Monty more than Gibbs, but they both clearly seem to have a role that will make them both a value for fantasy purposes

 

[tangfoot]

In his first game as a professional? I'm perfectly fine with 9 touches. And no, I didn't have any set expectations for the game against KC. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

I’m not blowing anything out of proportion.

I’m pointing out his ADP and making the natural connection that he was drafted with higher expectations.

We’ll agree to disagree. You’re apparently reading things I’m not saying.

"What was/is confusing to me is the lack of usage in the passing game, so I’m in agreement with you there."

Well, what were you saying, then? It sure as hell looks like you're overemphasizing his usage in game 1.

 

[Biabreakable]

I am pretty sure you will change your mind about that decision at some point not that it will help you any unless it changes your approach to this in the future if you have a similar opportunity again.

I'm pretty sure I won't. I make it a habit to not draft RBBC guys under 200 lbs with a top 4 pick, and that 1.04 pick+ netted me AJ Brown, when I needed WR more than RB (drafted Bijan with 1.01).

I would do that again 100/100 times.

I was talking about JohnnyU's choice to take a WR over Gibbs at pick 2 not your trade for Montgomery.

I maybe shouldnt say anything about this as I dont know all the ins and outs of your guys league scoring format and so on.

In a general sense I dont pass on a 1st round RB available at pick 2 in a dynasty rookie draft for a WR unless my team is rebuilding though. In which case I try to trade down.

Sorry for any confusion from the multi quote.

Johnny has been doing this for a long time and knows what he is doing and why. While I dont.

In a general sense though yeah I would rank/draft the 1st round RB over a WR.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

"What was/is confusing to me is the lack of usage in the passing game, so I’m in agreement with you there."

Well, what were you saying, then? It sure as hell looks like you're overemphasizing his usage in game 1.

They were 2 separate thoughts.

Thought 1. He was over-drafted in redraft based on the FF community’s expectation. Which, IMO, was clearly a larger role than he had. And certainly no one expected 20:9 route running in favor of Monty. No one.

Thought 2. (My opinion) He needs to be utilized more in the receiving game, and there was a ton of talk about how he would be the Lions “deep threat” and heavily targeted (and yes, that was on podcasts and FF writer’s blogs/twitter/etc)

All that said, it’s 1 game. I would expect his receiving usage to increase. BUT the caveat is he may not be ready for that - not because they’re easing him in, but because he’s not as good as Monty at pass pro, which matters a lot. ETA: we don’t yet know if that’s the case, but if that ratio continues we’ll have a good idea.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was talking about JohnnyU's choice to take a WR over Gibbs at pick 2 not your trade for Montgomery.

Then why did you bold my comment and not his?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In a general sense though yeah I would rank/draft the 1st round RB over a WR.

It definitely depends on a few facotrs
• roster construction (what the team drafting needs
• scoring system / roster requirements (e.g. how many RB, flex, receiver slots
• one’s personal belief in the players available

 

[Biabreakable]

I was talking about JohnnyU's choice to take a WR over Gibbs at pick 2 not your trade for Montgomery.

Then why did you bold my comment and not his?

I didnt bold any comment? Unless my phone did something weird that was unintentional.

Happens sometimes, technology has a mind of its own.

 

[Stoneworker]

In his first game as a professional? I'm perfectly fine with 9 touches. And no, I didn't have any set expectations for the game against KC. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

I’m not blowing anything out of proportion.

I’m pointing out his ADP and making the natural connection that he was drafted with higher expectations.

We’ll agree to disagree. You’re apparently reading things I’m not saying.

This is the exact way to think about it.

In general it doesn't make sense to draft a guy at ADP RB12 with the expectation that he will ramp up to RB12-level production at some point during the season. That should be his average for the year.

So now he's got an uphill climb to justify his ADP.

 

[Biabreakable]

In a general sense though yeah I would rank/draft the 1st round RB over a WR.

It definitely depends on a few facotrs
• roster construction (what the team drafting needs
• scoring system / roster requirements (e.g. how many RB, flex, receiver slots
• one’s personal belief in the players available

Yup.

Which is why I likely should not have said anything.

I just impulsively did based on my opinions of the 2 players in a vacuum, the pick position and JohnnyU hedging a bit about the decision and being open to changing his mind about it later when he has more information.

My main point is that if he does change his mind about it later it will be too late to do anything about it then aside from perhaps making a different decision in a future draft when making a similar decision.

At pick 2 I think a dynasty manager should be able to trade down if they prefer to take a WR.

The WR he took is behind 2 incumbant WR for opportunities right now.

My opinion is based on decades of seeing how trade value of players and picks work.

 

[oswizzle]

wasted a 3rd round pick on this dude … Definitely same situation as last season Williams/Swift combo …

 

[Chaka]

wasted a 3rd round pick on this dude … Definitely same situation as last season Williams/Swift combo …

Were you honestly expecting something different?

It was obvious the moment they gave Montgomery a high end market deal.

How many RBs went off the board before him?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If indeed it's a pass pro issue

He splits out wide when he’s a pass catcher so I don’t see how that would matter.

I understand it could limit backfield snaps generally but if he’s going to get targets he won’t be in blocking anyway.

I do think the game plan was ball control to try and keep Mahomes off the field (which didn’t end up mattering as much with the way their pass rush was so disruptive). But even with that you’d think there be some screens.

I only roster him in one league, and that team isn’t a legit contender- so I’m encouraged to see how good he looked. The increased workload will come. The Lions paid Montgomery a lot and he’s a solid grinder and thats been important to this staff since the start. I don’t remember many people suggesting Montgomery would be the backup and if they did that would’ve been a view not supported by fact. It was clear the two are playing the same position but two very different versions of it. There’s not a ton of overlap.

 

[Judge Smails]

they don't trust him in pass pro yet. or at a minimum, they preferred to not put that on him in his first NFL game on banner night in a hostile environment.

Dan Campbell telegraphed that, said the goal is for the rookies to peak at year end not week one. he'll see more opportunities, they know what they have. very special player.

Yeah, spot on. Despite pass pro concerns for Gibbs, Montgomery got steamrolled by Nick Bolton at one point and had to take an ugly penalty to protect Goff…..

Such a stretch. Monty was solid in pass pro all night.

 

[King of the Jungle]

For those that think week one constitutes a fantasy season

Gibbs

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For those that think week one constitutes a fantasy season

Gibbs

Of course. He had 7 carries & 2 targets.

It would be almost impossible to decrease his role.

 

[King of the Jungle]

For those that think week one constitutes a fantasy season

Gibbs

Of course. He had 7 carries & 2 targets.

It would be almost impossible to decrease his role.

Ok.

 

[ghostguy123]

I thought he looked pretty good.
I didn't watch the 2nd half though

 

[Pietaster2]

Campbell: Lions rookie Jahmyr Gibbs to have higher usage going forward

 

[LawFitz]

With emphasis on *when both are healthy*,

Game script, game script, game script. When the Lions are ahead and looking to kill clock, expect tons of Monty. When they are facing a weaker rush D, expect Monty. When they are behind or trying to keep up with a high flying team, expect tons of Gibbs. When they are facing a strong interior rush D, expect more Gibbs. Tweak and adjust accordingly, but the Lions care way more about their season than yours, and the above plan gives them the best chance to win more games and keep both guys upright for a playoff run.

 

[massraider]

Lions OC Ben Johnson said the team might use RB Jahmyr Gibbs “in some ways that people don’t think we might.”

in fairness to Coach Johnson, 29% snap share and 2 targets was definitely not on my bingo card.

 

[OU#1]

He runs angry and doesn’t shy from contact. I would be the most concerned with him staying healthy if he doesn’t start avoiding contact in the NFL. You ain’t in Alabama anymore Toto…

 

[jobarules]

wasted a 3rd round pick on this dude … Definitely same situation as last season Williams/Swift combo …

Were you honestly expecting something different?

It was obvious the moment they gave Montgomery a high end market deal.

How many RBs went off the board before him?

I was. Otherwise I wouldn't have taken him in 3rd. I said it earlier. I expected more than 20% snaps and more targets.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

they don't trust him in pass pro yet. or at a minimum, they preferred to not put that on him in his first NFL game on banner night in a hostile environment.

Dan Campbell telegraphed that, said the goal is for the rookies to peak at year end not week one. he'll see more opportunities, they know what they have. very special player.

Yeah, spot on. Despite pass pro concerns for Gibbs, Montgomery got steamrolled by Nick Bolton at one point and had to take an ugly penalty to protect Goff…..

Such a stretch. Monty was solid in pass pro all night.

Huh? I wrote “spot on” to the entire post, which said that the coaches don’t trust Gibbs in pass pro yet.

Monty absolutely DID get steamrolled by Nick Bolton, and took a penalty, on a fairly straightforward play. That doesn’t mean he sucked in pass pro all night — btw, I didn’t suggest anything as such.

But you wrote that he was solid all night. And he was. Except hey, that one play he got trucked and took a penalty. Dude literally fell down when Bolton hit him.

I mean, it happened. Not sure what I wrote that was “a stretch.” Perhaps you read something else.

 

[JohnnyU]

wasted a 3rd round pick on this dude … Definitely same situation as last season Williams/Swift combo …

Were you honestly expecting something different?

It was obvious the moment they gave Montgomery a high end market deal.

How many RBs went off the board before him?

I was. Otherwise I wouldn't have taken him in 3rd. I said it earlier. I expected more than 20% snaps and more targets.

Patience grasshopper, patience. You should have known he wouldn't be a bell cow RB, but he will be a valuable asset as a pass catching RB with 7 to 9 runs a game. What made you think it would be a lot different from Swift / Williams? Only Gibbs is a better version of Swift IMO.

 

[FarFromHome]

REPORT:
@Lions
HC Dan Campbell says Jahmyr Gibbs touches (9 total) on Thursday night was by design. Wanted to give him a feel for the game before they ‘unleash him’. More touches are coming as the season progresses

 

[Judge Smails]

they don't trust him in pass pro yet. or at a minimum, they preferred to not put that on him in his first NFL game on banner night in a hostile environment.

Dan Campbell telegraphed that, said the goal is for the rookies to peak at year end not week one. he'll see more opportunities, they know what they have. very special player.

Yeah, spot on. Despite pass pro concerns for Gibbs, Montgomery got steamrolled by Nick Bolton at one point and had to take an ugly penalty to protect Goff…..

Such a stretch. Monty was solid in pass pro all night.

Huh? I wrote “spot on” to the entire post, which said that the coaches don’t trust Gibbs in pass pro yet.

Monty absolutely DID get steamrolled by Nick Bolton, and took a penalty, on a fairly straightforward play. That doesn’t mean he sucked in pass pro all night — btw, I didn’t suggest anything as such.

But you wrote that he was solid all night. And he was. Except hey, that one play he got trucked and took a penalty. Dude literally fell down when Bolton hit him.

I mean, it happened. Not sure what I wrote that was “a stretch.” Perhaps you read something else.

I thought you were saying something other than Montgomery was great in pass pro. Which he was. Maybe he got steamrolled that one play, but I can show you 10 others where he took linebackers head on and they came nowhere close to Goff.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The limited touches didn't bother me a bit. Its game 1.

Montgomery 3.5 YPC

Gibbs 6.0 YPC

Montgomery is still a great back for what they want him to do. Gibbs looks like he has several different gears. I remain giddy with excitement over the potential here.

 

[Chaka]

wasted a 3rd round pick on this dude … Definitely same situation as last season Williams/Swift combo …

Were you honestly expecting something different?

It was obvious the moment they gave Montgomery a high end market deal.

How many RBs went off the board before him?

I was. Otherwise I wouldn't have taken him in 3rd. I said it earlier. I expected more than 20% snaps and more targets.

I'm sorry, I don't intend to cast shade but I think that is a failure of scouting. They didn't give Montgomery $12 mil guaranteed over two seasons ($3.2 mil more than Jamaal got) to replace Jamaal and do less work.

Again, it is very unlikely the Lions have a plan for a 350+ touch season from Monty but games like this we're guaranteed to happen.

The promise of Gibbs (who is on pace for 150+ touches) is receptions and big plays. He was never going to be primary near the goal and was never going to lead the team in touches by seasons end.

He could still outproduce Monty, maybe even should, but his ADP was based on upside and Monty's was depressed by wishful thinking.

FTR I drafted Gibbs as the 16th RB off the board and Monty went 24th. I tried to play ADPs and missed out and I'm still bitter I missed Monty by one pick.

 

[Da Guru]

wasted a 3rd round pick on this dude … Definitely same situation as last season Williams/Swift combo …

Were you honestly expecting something different?

It was obvious the moment they gave Montgomery a high end market deal.

How many RBs went off the board before him?

I was. Otherwise I wouldn't have taken him in 3rd. I said it earlier. I expected more than 20% snaps and more targets.

I'm sorry, I don't intend to cast shade but I think that is a failure of scouting. They didn't give Montgomery $12 mil guaranteed over two seasons ($3.2 mil more than Jamaal got) to replace Jamaal and do less work.

Again, it is very unlikely the Lions have a plan for a 350+ touch season from Monty but games like this we're guaranteed to happen.

The promise of Gibbs (who is on pace for 150+ touches) is receptions and big plays. He was never going to be primary near the goal and was never going to lead the team in touches by seasons end.

He could still outproduce Monty, maybe even should, but his ADP was based on upside and Monty's was depressed by wishful thinking.

FTR I drafted Gibbs as the 16th RB off the board and Monty went 24th. I tried to play ADPs and missed out and I'm still bitter I missed Monty by one pick.

The Swift-Williams combo was very effective last year. Can see much of the same with Gibby-Monty combo.

Also it depends on what kind of game it is. 21-20 is a tight game. In a more wide open game I expect to see Gibby getting more touches in both running and receptions.

For being the first game as a rookie against the champs I understand why they did not want to throw him right in the fire with 25 touches and a possible big turnover. I agree when DC said let the rookies get the feel of the game and the league, then turn em loose.

These is no doubt Gibby is very explosive, just a little doubt on how he will be used going forward.

 

[Stoneworker]

Lol. This forum is funny.

Post a quote from Campbell about Gibbs getting more touches...and it's a tsunami of likes and loves from the Gibbs owners.

Post a quote in the Samaje Perine thread from Sean Payton about Javonte Williams playing a big role in week 1...and it gets derided as "coachspeak" by all the Perine folks.

I guess we believe what we want to believe

 

[Rookiefever]

If he didn't slip on that run, or if he didn't miss the hole on that other run he could have had a very different night. His usage will go up, and no one will even remember game 1 when Gibbs gets a 70 yard TD. Than everyone will be talking about how he was a steal in the 3rd round. People are so funny

What was most impressive to me was how he was sitting on the sidelines for most of the game, and would come in and make great plays. Touched the ball 9x, and had 3 plays where he went for over 10 yards. Once they started letting him get comfortable on field it's going to be a lot of fun to watch

Don't see how he's going to get many more touches. Maybe if they're getting blown out? Lions looked really good and I'm pretty sure pounding Montgomery and playing good D is the way Campbell wants to win. I'd be a little surprised if much changes from last night's game plan.

Going to be tough starting Gibbs for the next couple of weeks.

You have a good point. But this team has some dangerous weapons. I think they are capable of doing what we saw and going up tempo to keep up in a shoot out. Imo these team is built very versatile. We’ll have to see what becomes of jamo. But LaPorta and gibbs have shown capable with alot of upside. St brown is capable of going up against any cb. This team has something going.

 

[Max55]

I think some folks will be tempted to bench Gibbs if you have another comparable option. For example, I played Gibbs over James Cook.

No way I’m benching Gibbs. With his explosiveness he is going to have some long TD plays this season and I don’t plan to have him on my bench for those, only to chase those points the next week.

 

[Proteus]

I'm stunned at how many seemingly seasoned fantasy managers are so bewildered.

He's a ********* rookie. The game comes at you very fast. They do not want him out there getting hammered too much, or putting too much on his shoulders until the game slows down for him. It's not like they ran him a lot in the preseason. They know what they're doing and he will be a weapon that is increasingly more deadly as the season goes on. I mean it's such a common script that I wouldn't even be surprised if something similar happens with Bijan. I'm almost thinking I should delete this and just send the ****ty lowball offers in my league instead of casting reason on the situation.

 

[Judge Smails]

There should be enough for both to eat.

 

[scothawk]

Thought both backs looked good. Gibbs has something for sure and I think he will develop a lot as the season goes on. Monty looked as good as I have seen him. They are both going to play.

 

[leftcoastheel]

No fear in the FFPC or the Maine Event. Still a mid-third round pick. Slipped a few picks I guess.

 

[Pietaster2]

I'm stunned at how many seemingly seasoned fantasy managers are so bewildered.

He's a ********* rookie. The game comes at you very fast. They do not want him out there getting hammered too much, or putting too much on his shoulders until the game slows down for him. It's not like they ran him a lot in the preseason. They know what they're doing and he will be a weapon that is increasingly more deadly as the season goes on. I mean it's such a common script that I wouldn't even be surprised if something similar happens with Bijan. I'm almost thinking I should delete this and just send the ****ty lowball offers in my league instead of casting reason on the situation.

I missed on Montgomery but have Allgeier on my bench for the exact reasons you mention.

And yes, I did toss out a lowball this morning (Breece Hall) for Gibbs in the league I don’t own Gibbs. Guilty as charged.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm stunned at how many seemingly seasoned fantasy managers are so bewildered.

He's a ********* rookie. The game comes at you very fast. They do not want him out there getting hammered too much, or putting too much on his shoulders until the game slows down for him. It's not like they ran him a lot in the preseason. They know what they're doing and he will be a weapon that is increasingly more deadly as the season goes on. I mean it's such a common script that I wouldn't even be surprised if something similar happens with Bijan. I'm almost thinking I should delete this and just send the ****ty lowball offers in my league instead of casting reason on the situation.

I missed on Montgomery but have Allgeier on my bench for the exact reasons you mention.

And yes, I did toss out a lowball this morning (Breece Hall) for Gibbs in the league I don’t own Gibbs. Guilty as charged.

I might be in the minority, but give me Hall over Gibbs. I like Gibbs. I think Hall is gonna be elite. I know his injury did happen, but If it didn't I could see Breece being the #1 pick in a lot of drafts this year. Imo

 

[kutta]

I'm stunned at how many seemingly seasoned fantasy managers are so bewildered.

He's a ********* rookie. The game comes at you very fast. They do not want him out there getting hammered too much, or putting too much on his shoulders until the game slows down for him. It's not like they ran him a lot in the preseason. They know what they're doing and he will be a weapon that is increasingly more deadly as the season goes on. I mean it's such a common script that I wouldn't even be surprised if something similar happens with Bijan. I'm almost thinking I should delete this and just send the ****ty lowball offers in my league instead of casting reason on the situation.

I missed on Montgomery but have Allgeier on my bench for the exact reasons you mention.

And yes, I did toss out a lowball this morning (Breece Hall) for Gibbs in the league I don’t own Gibbs. Guilty as charged.

I might be in the minority, but give me Hall over Gibbs. I like Gibbs. I think Hall is gonna be elite. I know his injury did happen, but If it didn't I could see Breece being the #1 pick in a lot of drafts this year. Imo

I agree. And I love Gibbs. But I’d take Hall over him without even thinking about it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm stunned at how many seemingly seasoned fantasy managers are so bewildered.

He's a ********* rookie. The game comes at you very fast. They do not want him out there getting hammered too much, or putting too much on his shoulders until the game slows down for him. It's not like they ran him a lot in the preseason. They know what they're doing and he will be a weapon that is increasingly more deadly as the season goes on. I mean it's such a common script that I wouldn't even be surprised if something similar happens with Bijan. I'm almost thinking I should delete this and just send the ****ty lowball offers in my league instead of casting reason on the situation.

I missed on Montgomery but have Allgeier on my bench for the exact reasons you mention.

And yes, I did toss out a lowball this morning (Breece Hall) for Gibbs in the league I don’t own Gibbs. Guilty as charged.

I might be in the minority, but give me Hall over Gibbs. I like Gibbs. I think Hall is gonna be elite. I know his injury did happen, but If it didn't I could see Breece being the #1 pick in a lot of drafts this year. Imo

I agree. And I love Gibbs. But I’d take Hall over him without even thinking about it.

For redraft this might be a closer call than it seems.

I have Hall in dynasty & I agree that he’s a terrific RB

There are some similarities
• both in presumed RBBC
• both will be eased into NFL action (one coming off injury, the other a rookie)
• both arguably superior talents to their RBBC counterparts

From what I observed last night, Gibbs is a special talent who’s going to break some long TDs. He’s hard to trust because of low volume, but that’s going to change.

The tackle breaking ability stood out - he was arguably 1 tackle away from a home run a couple of times, and one missed footing from a nifty TD to the corner of the end zone. I’m positive he woulda scored there. Guys who have the ability to bounce off of contact like that can take it to the house in a hurry. He’s an exciting prospect, and with more touches come more home run chances.

But Monty isn’t going away, and it’s clear the Lions will use him to do the heavy lifting when games are close or they have the lead.

Hall is a dude who’s hard to trust right now returning from injury. Through gritted teeth I’m likely starting him in a dynasty league for lack of better options.

But as the season goes forward, I expect his workload to grow, and we’ve already seen how special a talent he is. Cook hasn’t looked great for a while, and there should be enough work for both to be FF relevant.

But that said, there are a lot of unknowns in the Jets situation. Oh yeah, and Michael Carter will also likely be worked in. There is only one football, so…

It’s an interesting choice. Honestly not sure who I’d take if I were drafting right now & their ADP was close. IIRC one could have had both, which might be amazing starting in week 8-9-10, but could be a tough road to get there.

 

[kutta]

I'm stunned at how many seemingly seasoned fantasy managers are so bewildered.

He's a ********* rookie. The game comes at you very fast. They do not want him out there getting hammered too much, or putting too much on his shoulders until the game slows down for him. It's not like they ran him a lot in the preseason. They know what they're doing and he will be a weapon that is increasingly more deadly as the season goes on. I mean it's such a common script that I wouldn't even be surprised if something similar happens with Bijan. I'm almost thinking I should delete this and just send the ****ty lowball offers in my league instead of casting reason on the situation.

I missed on Montgomery but have Allgeier on my bench for the exact reasons you mention.

And yes, I did toss out a lowball this morning (Breece Hall) for Gibbs in the league I don’t own Gibbs. Guilty as charged.

I might be in the minority, but give me Hall over Gibbs. I like Gibbs. I think Hall is gonna be elite. I know his injury did happen, but If it didn't I could see Breece being the #1 pick in a lot of drafts this year. Imo

I agree. And I love Gibbs. But I’d take Hall over him without even thinking about it.

For redraft this might be a closer call than it seems.

I have Hall in dynasty & I agree that he’s a terrific. RB

There are some similarities
• both in presumed RBBC
• both will be eased into NFL action (one coming off injury, the other a rookie)
• both arguably superior talents to their RBBC counterparts

From what I observed last night, Gibbs is a special talent who’s going to break some long TDs. He’s hard to trust because of low volume, but that’s going to change.

The tackle breaking ability stood out - he was arguably 1 tackle away from a home run a couple of times, and one missed footing from a nifty TD to the corner of the end zone. I’m positive he woulda scored there. Guys who have the ability to bounce off of contact like that can take it to the house in a hurry. He’s an exciting prospect, and with more touches come more home run chances.

But Monty isn’t going away, and it’s clear the Lions will use him to do the heavy lifting when games are close or they have the lead.

Hall is a dude who’s hard to trust right now returning from injury. Through gritted teeth I’m likely starting him in a dynasty league for lack of better options.

But as the season goes forward, I expect his workload to grow, and we’ve already seen how special a talent he is. Cook hasn’t looked great for a while, and there should be enough work for both to be FF relevant.

But that said, there are a lot of unknowns in the Jets situation. Oh yeah, and Michael Carter will also likely be worked in. There is only one football, so…

It’s an interesting choice. Honestly not sure who I’d take if I were drafting right now & their ADP was close. IIRC one could have had both, which might be amazing starting in week 8-9-10, but could be a tough road to get there.

And I may have jumped the gun on my comment. I was thinking dynasty, and I’d rather have Hall. In redraft I agree it’s much closer and I may take Gibbs just because of the health issues with Hall.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In redraft I agree it’s much closer and I may take Gibbs just because of the health issues with Hall.

Yeah, Gibbs is healthy….for now.