I think its very possible Minnesota is a very good matchup by then, I think they could fall victim to time of possession deficits due to QB play.
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RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)
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Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
He foresaw although was not that much of a stretch to see
eighsse2
Footballguy
eighsse2
Footballguy
Out for season. Keenan Allen told me. Sorry, no, I have no idea.
Campbell said Montgomery is looking good for this week
Campbell quoted as saying "it's looking good" for Monty to return.
Doubt he hands him 30+ carries THIS time after returning now from his SECOND injury.
I own both. May start both.
Feels like a floor.
Waaaay more upside than Warren.
I don't think Gibbs is an RB3. That's what RW called him. I also don't think you can include games without Monty in your comparison. I also own both. Gibbs is the better start IMO. The reason he's a better start than Warren is due to the offense each plays in.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Appears healthy. Has looked great two straight games. At Chargers. Yes please
LAC run D is much improved, but hopefully he's leveraged in the passing game.
In my ESPN league where I own both Monty and Gibbs, projections:
* Gibbs: 13.3 points
* Monty: 13.9 points
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
PPR I am liking the Gibbster the rest of the season, barring injury of course. Still think Monty will get goal line carries though.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. I will say Gibbs is that RB that doesn't need the 25 carries to get fantasy numbers. The modern smaller, faster rbs just get bigger chunks. I'd imagine as soon as this week Monty will get more touches. That's okay. Hopefully Gibbs gets 15 touches a game. I own zero shares of either. All my opinion. I reserve the right to change that opinion based on my mood.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Would think close to 50-50. Slight lean to Monty. 55-45.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Pretty much how I see it going as well.
They want to keep both RB fresh for the post season as much as they can.
Now that Montgomery is back I wonder if MOP still thinks Gibbs fades into the background as he said would happen a few time awhile back, or if he is listening to MOP Jr about this now. =P
Dizzy
Footballguy
I haven't seen anything to indicate that Monty is 100% and playing this week either. He could be eased back in (or limited snaps) if still dealing with soreness.
My personal opinion having watched every offensive snap of the Lions this year. Gibbs is the better player, but Monty is more trusted in crucial situations. I think Monty should handle most short yardage and blocking situations, but Gibbs should get most of the receptions, and honestly could have more overall touches.
I think this is going to be a 50-50 backfield, with some hot hand playing in, with GL and 3rd down having their respective consistency for roles.
I think there is plenty of meat on the bone for both to be top-15 RBs. This is a team that can run on anyone, plays good defense (Ravens game notwithstanding) and really only throws to 2 guys. I think this a team that could truly be a 50-50 run/pass team. A little like Zeke/Pollard last season, with Amon-Ra taking the Lamb role, and LaPorta being a better Schultz.
I think this is going to be a 50-50 backfield, with some hot hand playing in, with GL and 3rd down having their respective consistency for roles.
I think there is plenty of meat on the bone for both to be top-15 RBs. This is a team that can run on anyone, plays good defense (Ravens game notwithstanding) and really only throws to 2 guys. I think this a team that could truly be a 50-50 run/pass team. A little like Zeke/Pollard last season, with Amon-Ra taking the Lamb role, and LaPorta being a better Schultz.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Agreed. Good post. I'll add without really knowing the guy, it feels Monty kinda defines what Campbell wants to do on offense. Plenty for both though. I think the fact that both have already missed time, having them healthy come playoffs is a big factor in weekly usage. Imo
TartanLion
Footballguy
This seems to be the size of it to me. RB wise it could end up being like Ingram and Kamara where both on most weeks were worthwhile starters on a fantasy team. I could see …
Monty 15 odd carries and 2-3 receptions
Early downs/Goal line work/ pass D/salting clock away
Gibbs 10-12 carries and 4-5 receptions
Standard carries sprinkled in/work between the 10-20 yard line where he’s more of a danger to house it/hurry up offence playing from behind etc
If the line is at all fit they can both eat against anybody. If it gets majorly dinged up again then maybe not so much against good run Ds
I'd go Gibbs.
LAC run D looks pretty stout lately. Don't see Monty ripping off a lot of runs. Could fall into the endzone though.
Think Gibbs does a lot of damage through the air where LAC stink.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Makes sense. Plus hot hand and not injured.
finfansteve
Footballguy
I have the same problem to figure out and I think I might go Gibbs over Monty until I see Monty is back at 100% then that’ll make the decision even harder
Looks like a Hayden Winks chart. The guy is good.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
My gut tells me the share moving forward should be around 50/50. However, Monty will get gl Carries and gibbs more routes. This is going to be game plan dependent moving forward, I assume. The oline is good enough that they won’t necessarily need a pass blocking option in the backfield. That said if there running the clock Monty is going to get more touches. If it’s close, a shootout or they’re down gibbs will get more. My moneys on the lions leading this one most the way. We’ll see what Herbert ekeler and Allen cans do to this defense. -rolls dice
David Montgomery and 2 offensive line starters on track to return for Lions
Dan Campbell said Montgomery was getting treatment on Wednesday, and that the running back hadn’t suffered any setbacks. The Lions head coach sounded optimistic about his progress, saying the next two days are crucial.
“Yeah, I mean, I think certainly we know what David can do,” Campbell said, “but we know that Gibbs has gotten better every week, so we’re going to ask those guys to do things they do well and that helps our offense move the football.
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So, I don’t think necessarily sitting here talking to you right now, that I see Gibbs getting 65 plays. I don’t see that, but he’s going to get his fair share. We know what he can be and he’s growing. I think it’ll be a little bit by committee and make sure we get those guys touches. Gibbs will get his touches.”
Dan Campbell said Montgomery was getting treatment on Wednesday, and that the running back hadn’t suffered any setbacks. The Lions head coach sounded optimistic about his progress, saying the next two days are crucial.
“Yeah, I mean, I think certainly we know what David can do,” Campbell said, “but we know that Gibbs has gotten better every week, so we’re going to ask those guys to do things they do well and that helps our offense move the football.
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So, I don’t think necessarily sitting here talking to you right now, that I see Gibbs getting 65 plays. I don’t see that, but he’s going to get his fair share. We know what he can be and he’s growing. I think it’ll be a little bit by committee and make sure we get those guys touches. Gibbs will get his touches.”
What are you even talking about. Read the last two pages and didn't see a single person say that. As a matter of fact some are starting Gibbs OVER Monty. I saw one person saying they're starting Bijan over him which is perfectly reasonable. Stop making **** up.
Please don't drag me into your arguments
I didn't say anything about Gibbs performance i just said i believe (and continue to believe) that Bijan is in for a huge game one of these weeks. He's a much greater talent on paper than gibbs
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree Robinson will likely have a good game soon.
What are the details that make Robinson so much better than Gibbs on paper?
Most people thought Bijan was a pretty generational talent coming out of the draft...gibbs not so much
I'll be the first to admit that it happens a 100x over that a guy like bijan does nothing and is out of the league in 4 years so he might suck. But the feed him game has to be coming - but I'm only giving it one more shot
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What do we make of the data when Monty starts and Gibbs is the CoP RB?
Do we disregard what we saw earlier in the season?
Does the last 1.5 games of unfiltered Gibbs tip the scales towards the Rookie?
Is it fair to say no one really knows and we are all just doing hot takes and hopeful projections based on which RB we are invested in?
I have them both in different redrafts and I'm not really sure where I have Gibbs this week.
I feel more confident wheeling out Monty, I see something like 15-18 carries, 80 yds and maybe 1-2 scores
Not sure what to make of Gibbs
Own both in one league and starting both of them.
General consensus seems to be it will be somewhere in the middle between early in the year when Monty dominated vs. last couple games when Gibbs had all the touches.
I forget what game it was early in the year when Monty had 30+ carries and was wearing down the D in the second half and got all the touches. What I could see taking place (or what I'd do as a coach) is, after pounding Monty, giving Gibbs his chances to rip off chunk yards if not take one to the house.
There's a new dimension now available to this offense that could make DET very, very difficult to contain. I'd think they understand that.
Have a feeling Monty is more consistent and has a higher floor, while Gibbs is the guy you may want if you need a 30+ point ceiling out of your flex spot when projected to lose to your opponent big.
zoonation
Footballguy
People who continue to ride Bijan blindly going forward baffle me. Nothing about his situation, opportunity or historical production this year suggests he is anything but a boom/bust flex play, and that will remain true while A. Smith is still the coach.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I know this isn't the Bijan thread, but real quick, his opportunities by week have been: 16, 24, 16, 19, 16, 21, 1, 16, 15.
Had Bijan continued his catch % and yd/rec from weeks 1-6, these last 2 games he would have had ~9 additional ppr points. Which would be pretty significant. Now, why he has done so poorly in the receiving game lately, is another question. But I know he's going to be catching more than 22% for more then 4 yd/rec.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well I wasn't listening to anyone talk about these players leading up to the draft or much after the draft either, so I can't speak on that.
What I can say for sure is there is a lot of hype. Months of nothing much else to talk about during that time and it really gets out of hand. Be careful about taking any of that very seriously.
Looking at some basic stuff though like college production it makes sense. Robinson did very well in his college career performance wise and much better as a runner than Gibbs. Gibbs was more productive than Robinson as a receiver though by a pretty large margin.
Combine data both has good metrics. Gibbs was faster but both are fast. Robinson weighed more.
Robinson was drafted 8th and Gibbs 12th. In my eyes that's pretty close and draft capital is perhaps the most important thing to consider, as teams evaluate all these other things and then some when making these decisions.
As far as generational talent I don't know. The high draft pick used on Robinson suggests that, but if you look at Lance Zierliens grades he compares Robinson to Josh Jacobs. He doesn't grade Robinson as an instant pro bowl talent. His grade on Sanquon Barkley was that and a higher grade by a lot over Robinson.
Robinson has been more productive than Gibbs as well so far this season even though people are unhappy with how much opportunity Robinson has had.
Of course it's all hype all the time. Trent Richardson on line 1 for example.
You hit the NFL and you just never know
Stuff I read, the general consensus was, Bijan could have even gone 1st he was that talented and Gibbs was taken early by the lions. Like i said who knows....100% of these prognosticators are wrong 90% of the time
eighsse2
Footballguy
For the second time, sorry for making this the Bijan thread. But just a cool glass of refreshing reality to anyone thinking Bijan is a bust or even just not going to live up to his generational hype. Not considering the "headache game", Bijan's minimum snap % in his 8 career games is greater than Derrick Henry's maximum snap % in his first 30 games. Now imagine if they had anyone other than Arthur Smith as coach.
Back to your regularly scheduled Gibbs.
Back to your regularly scheduled Gibbs.
The weird thing is that Arthur Smith was the Titans OC when Henry had 1700+ yards and 18 TDs in 2019 and when Henry had 2100 total yards and 17 TDs in 2020.
eighsse2
Footballguy
That's a very interesting point!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Perhaps that was more of a HC/GM directive than something Smith wanted?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I wouldn't call Tyler Allgier a comparable talent to Demarco Murray though
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I absolutely think we disregard what we saw earlier in the season as he's more proven now.
I still think it's a gamble at this point, but I'm comfortable flexing him over my other options. Next week I think we'll have a much better idea what to expect moving forward
