Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeldon could be a possibility as well. Not as flashy as those two but could be exactly what they need, price especially. I've been impressed with him last year in the passing game and even running the ball
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RB Jamaal Williams, NO (1 Viewer)
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I really don't think JW will lose his job if he ends the year around a pedestrian 4-4.2 ypc. When I was talking about 3-3.7 ypc I was just talking about those first 2 games.
If they trade for Mack they definitely won't have the cash to bring in any FA RBs. It would have to be the draft and would you really want a rookie RB protecting your 36 year old QB?
I suppose, but Jerry doesn't strike me as very patient.
But Blackmon... what could have been.
How much money will they have next year with this AR extension?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Williams cannot catch like Yeldon can. and there are a lot of NFL players at 5'10-6'1 who weigh 223 and run 4.5. it's not about metrics. I'd take Yeldon 10 out of 10 times over Williams
EBF
Footballguy
I'd be thrilled to recoup any top 15 rookie pick for Williams. I got him with the 24th pick in last year's rookie draft in the one dynasty league where I own him.FF Ninja said:
I have very little faith in his staying power. This is the type of guy where any time his team drafts a RB, you have to sweat.
He can be useful in FF in spurts. Proved that last year. Not buying that he's a good NFL player or anything close to a worthy starter though.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
if they trade for Mack it's likely at the expense of Clay Matthew's and/or Cobb. Combined they make about 20 mil I believe
ths AR extension actually helps them land Mack. I believe I read it frees up 15 mil
They are currently 40 mil under the cap next year with the only notable FAs being Clinton Dix, Allison if he has a good year, and Wilkerson. They actually have a LOT of cap space once you get rid of Clay and Cobb
ETA: after investing a lot of draft stock into the defense it's very possible they take a RB round 1 or 2. They wouldnt need cap space for that.
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Yeah, I was asking bc he was generally a mid-to-late 2nd pick last year, so I was thinking you'd need more than that to move him. Hard to know for sure if you are getting a 13-15 pick, though, when trading for a future 2nd. Wouldn't think many cellar dwellers would want to trade a 2nd for him.
I thought he showed good hands last year. He definitely wasn't a body catcher. So I'm not sure Yeldon is much of a bump in that regard. And when given every down work, I think I recall Yeldon not doing much (I know he basically got benched heading into year 2, but he started a few games and did squat as a runner).
That being said, I don't dislike Yeldon. I'd take him over Williams maybe 1 out of 10 times in fantasy (dynasty) and 1 out of 4 in real life. Given their respective opportunities and track records, you'd have to be delusional to take Yeldon over JW 10 out of 10 times in fantasy or real life.
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2018-gutcheck-452-bold-predictions
It's paid content, so I'll only post the headline: #6. JAMAAL WILLIAMS WILL BE THE PACKERS' MOST-PRODUCTIVE FANTASY RUNNING BACK SINCE 2014 EDDIE LACY
It's paid content, so I'll only post the headline: #6. JAMAAL WILLIAMS WILL BE THE PACKERS' MOST-PRODUCTIVE FANTASY RUNNING BACK SINCE 2014 EDDIE LACY
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Not surprised. Waldman's been shining that penny since day 1.
Also, not hard to beat 2015-2017 production. It's like saying you're the smartest person among high school drop outs.
That was just the headline. He goes on to predict numbers (not just better than 2015-2017). Plus, he's actually changed his tune on this year's situation. Earlier in the offseason he predicted a 3-way split.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeah I read the article. I honestly think it's realistic from a rushing standpoint, if he keeps the role. I'm not convinced on the TDs or reception yards
That's why it's a bold prediction
I think the TDs are pretty realistic because I don't think Jones or Montgomery will be getting the red zone carries (from 2013-2014 Green Bay was actually 2nd in the league in red zone RB carries with 144 and 3rd in TDs with 24, from 2015-2017, they ranked 29th with 125 carries). The receptions I worry about. If GB can carry a lead, I think he'll do fine in the passing game. But I fear Montgomery will be in the game for the 2-minute drill.
Seeing the Aaron Jones thread reminded me:
I watched most of this game. It seemed Jamaal was getting 2 series and then Ty was getting 1 series. The only time I saw one of them removed for the other during a series was in an obvious passing situation (3rd and 23, I think) they removed Ty for Jamaal so he could stay in and pass protect on that play.
He only had 4 carries for 16 yards with a healthy Rodgers, so I'm not judging his rushing performance, however I had hoped for a better snap share than 62% and with Minnesota coming up, I think he's an easy bench for week 2.
The only real positive was that he picked up a key block on the 51 yard pass to Adams. The announcers even pointed it out in the replay. So maybe plays like that help him keep the job while he waits for a non-top 5 defensive opponent.
I watched most of this game. It seemed Jamaal was getting 2 series and then Ty was getting 1 series. The only time I saw one of them removed for the other during a series was in an obvious passing situation (3rd and 23, I think) they removed Ty for Jamaal so he could stay in and pass protect on that play.
He only had 4 carries for 16 yards with a healthy Rodgers, so I'm not judging his rushing performance, however I had hoped for a better snap share than 62% and with Minnesota coming up, I think he's an easy bench for week 2.
The only real positive was that he picked up a key block on the 51 yard pass to Adams. The announcers even pointed it out in the replay. So maybe plays like that help him keep the job while he waits for a non-top 5 defensive opponent.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
I own the guy.......but I still have never been impressed with him. JAG.
If he has a few really good games.....may look to deal him while his value is really high. I just don't see anything that tells me he is a long term guy. I think Green Bay for certain drafts more RB's in the 2019 draft.
He is 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
If he has a few really good games.....may look to deal him while his value is really high. I just don't see anything that tells me he is a long term guy. I think Green Bay for certain drafts more RB's in the 2019 draft.
He is 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
Jones is back week 3 and I fully expect him to shine. I'd sell Williams as fast as I could
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm hoping he has a solid game this week and I will be looking to sell in dynasty.
I agree with @Todem. Let's put it this way. We've all been looking for that featured workhorse Green Bay running back to win us our fantasy leagues for the last 10 years. We've been through guy after guy looking for that, and they've all been replaced in relatively short order. Does this guy REALLY look like the one who stands out as finally being that guy that's going to hold this job for the long term? This guy?
I agree with @Todem. Let's put it this way. We've all been looking for that featured workhorse Green Bay running back to win us our fantasy leagues for the last 10 years. We've been through guy after guy looking for that, and they've all been replaced in relatively short order. Does this guy REALLY look like the one who stands out as finally being that guy that's going to hold this job for the long term? This guy?
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az_prof
Footballguy
I drafted Williams last year in second round and have held until yesterday. I liked his situation more than his talent. He strikes me as a guy who will be better for the Packers than for fantasy. He blocks well and will continue to have a role because of that. He will get chances running in the red zone because he is good at getting that extra yard. But he will never be a great fantasy back because he lacks elusiveness, quickness and doesn't pick his holes well. I saw it again yesterday and just felt like it is time to cut him and pick up a position of need for me--WR--so got Enunwa in place of Williams.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Waiting patiently for the return of Aaron Jones 
Polish Hammer
made of glass
For those that follow the Pack/Jones, what is the honest expectation for the backfield once Jones is back in the fold?Casting Couch said:Waiting patiently for the return of Aaron Jones
Some times people do curious things. Last night, in one of my leagues, Williams was cut to pick up Caleb Sturgis as a backup PK. That owner isn't know for doing stupid stuff, so my first inclination was to check & see if there was any negative news I'd missed about Williams. Didn't see any, so now I'm hoping he has another quiet week, so I can pick him up next week's WW moves.
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Gottabesweet
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I'm in a 12 team short bench league (4 bench spots) Only have to start 1 to 3 RB's - I dropped Aaron Jones this week to get Ekeler (Gordon owner without many RB's so just going to ensure I have LAC backfield)
also another owner dropped Williams this week. So all three packers RB's are on the wire.
also another owner dropped Williams this week. So all three packers RB's are on the wire.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
more of this
ETA:
I expect Williams to be the primary blocker unless Jones has shown that he is much improved here- which we just don't know at this point.
I would expect Jones to get about 12-15 carries a game. Ty Montgomery I don't expect to get a whole lot of carries, and Williams will get a handful. It could very well be a hot hand approach at times, but if Jones can do what he did in that link, I think it's hard to keep him off the field in running situations. Priority 1 is keeping Rodgers healthy, which Williams seemed to pick up some blitz' well last week. No one but the Packers know if Jones has made progress in that area enough to unseat Williams completely, but Williams has failed to impress so far running the ball.
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skinsrule05
Footballguy
I agree with all of this but it does seem to make the Packers very predictable. Williams is in- passing play, Jones is in- running play. Wouldn't they want one guy who can do both for a majority of the time? I get you can't teach Williams to be a more dynamic runner but how hard is it to teach Jones to block? Is that something that some RBs can just never pick up?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
How does NE do it with Burkhead and White? What about Philly with Ajayi and Sproles/Clement? NO and Kamara/Ingram? I feel like this isn't a foreign concept.
3rd and long... of course the Packers are passing. Williams being in doesn't telegraph the play call any more than the down/distance does
ETA: I don't think it's impossible to teach a back to block, which is why I have felt Jones was a favorite in this backfield. All reports this summer were that Jones beefed up his legs to improve his blocking, and that he had improved from what I had heard. How much, I have no idea until I see him play.
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LawFitz
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Posts like this are why I come to the Sharkpool daily. That article is eye popping. Thanks, dude.
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az_prof
Footballguy
22 player rosters. We lock the FA list after week 2 of pre-season (when we do FA draft). Enunwa flew under radar.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Jones is being compared to Cook now? LOL. You can compare the 4 games all you want, but there's light years difference in them as prospects. That's the bottom line.
Williams has the best chance because of his all-around game, but a long-term feature back likely isn't on the roster. This has RBBC written all over it (duh).
Jones is going to have a very difficult time grabbing the majority of the snaps not to mention a big enough share where he could be classified as a feature back.
Williams has the best chance because of his all-around game, but a long-term feature back likely isn't on the roster. This has RBBC written all over it (duh).
Jones is going to have a very difficult time grabbing the majority of the snaps not to mention a big enough share where he could be classified as a feature back.
az_prof
Footballguy
Agreed. I don't see Montgomery going away in the passing game--so he will collect a sizable share of passing and garbage time stats. And Williams will be in and get a share of runs and probably RZ running chances. And yes, I see Jones getting some too. My guess:
Williams: 5-7 rushes; 1-2 targets: total touches, 6-9
Montgomery: 2-3 rushes; 3-5 targets; total touches 5-8
Jones: 3-9 rushes; 1-2 targets; total touches 4-11
I see Jones with the most variability partly because he is unknown and partly because his role is less clear. Yet he does seem to be the best runner.
I agree that Williams is JAGgy. He did have a 3 game stretch last year where he put up 5 TDs and had 110+ yards per game (against two teams that were top 10 in rushing D) with Huntley at QB. But that was mostly due to volume.
Jones definitely looks more explosive, by a mile. But they didn't really trust him to give him any volume in carries after he came back from one knee injury and he still ended up injuring the other (both MCLs). In dynasty you have to worry about suspension too as it looks like he's a pothead.
Jones definitely looks more explosive, by a mile. But they didn't really trust him to give him any volume in carries after he came back from one knee injury and he still ended up injuring the other (both MCLs). In dynasty you have to worry about suspension too as it looks like he's a pothead.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I don't expect much from either RB for fantasy purposes but I'm amused at how violent the disagreement has become.
Opening against CHI and MINN doesn't do JW any favors. But neither does the playcalling. The Packers have started a lot of games poorly that way--getting into 3rd and long in the blink of an eye.
Opening against CHI and MINN doesn't do JW any favors. But neither does the playcalling. The Packers have started a lot of games poorly that way--getting into 3rd and long in the blink of an eye.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Same here... I just read this article particularly the last piece at the bottom, which was a perfect textbook pass-blocking. Do expect him to be heavily used in pass protection especially for their very important player.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
I was wrong about him. It hasn't helped that he isn't involved in the passing game tho. He's a drop in redraft and will likely be a drop in dynasty if this trend continues.
He's pretty clearly the least talented RB on the team. I was willing to give the low YPC last year the benefit of the doubt, as it was mostly without Rodgers playing, but he just brings nothing to the table. He's slow, he's not a big tackle breaker, he's only a decent receiver. Jones is a much better runner, and Montgomery is a better 3rd down back.
He's borderline roster worthy in dynasty leagues. In redrafts, he's worthless.
He's borderline roster worthy in dynasty leagues. In redrafts, he's worthless.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Streetduck
Footballguy
I offered Williams and Chris Thompson for a 3rd rd. pick to the Jones owner and was shot down.rickyg said:
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
If I already didn't own Williams, I'd prob take this if it's a PPR league. Thompson still has some decent value. Fair offer IMO.
