RB Javonte Williams, DEN (2 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

I have zero issue with Lammey having his takes on players. Everyone is right some and everyone is wrong some. It's good to take a stance regardless of outcome.

What I do have a large issue with was his tweet. Completely unfounded to put "Will Javonte Williams even make the team?" in his tweet. There is absolutely no reason to think he won't. He's inexpensive, he's been good prior to his injury, which he is now 2 years removed from. Even if another RB gets ahead of him, even if two do, they're still not cutting him. Lammey knows this. He did it just to be provocative. He did it to get views. It's not reporting, it's sensationalism. And that one tweet kicked off a storm of AI generated trash articles citing it as a source that Javonte was on the outs. They're still popping up weeks later.

You can tweet crap like that or you can be a reporter. You can't do both. I hope he learns from this.

Yeah, engagement farming is widely viewed as the standard modus operandi these days - very annoying

Agree with your first point, everyone has misses, from RL GMs to writers to FF managers - par for the course

It's the certainty with which he makes declarations which I find not very useful

We should all be thinking in terms of range of outcome. "More likely than not" or "Could be exception but based on predictive metrics the odds are against him." Not this guy is absolutely washed bc he didn't look like Breece Hall after tearing his ACL, LCL, and posterolateral corner.

Denver was top 5 in both paas pro and run blocking. Both Bolles and Cushenbery had good bounce back years coming back from injuries, and Meinerz might be my favorite run blocker in the league - he's an absolute mauler, love how he just keeps moving people yards downfield. Beast.

It was stacked boxes all year, and that probably doesn't change much if the passing game remains anemic. For that reason I am not targeting Javonte, but I def think he'll easily stay ahead of Estime.

I think Javonte could be the classic case of boy didn't look good the first year of the healing process but got back to being himself in Y2 of the recovery.

I also find the McLaughlin narrative to be a bit of a straw man. His competition for a role is with Blake Watson. He's a little guy and isn't going to impact how Estime/Williams shakes out.

We're also dismissing Perine and he was a decently effective receiver last year. 50 catches on 53 catchable targets, 2.09 Y/RR. 8th best receiving grade for RBs in 2023.

Jameel was 31/36 for 160 yards with a Y/RR of 1.60. 3rd highest receiving grade amongst RBs last year.

Javonte 47/55 228 1.34 Y/RR and 62nd in PFF receiving grade.

 

[(HULK)]

I have zero issue with Lammey having his takes on players. Everyone is right some and everyone is wrong some. It's good to take a stance regardless of outcome.

What I do have a large issue with was his tweet. Completely unfounded to put "Will Javonte Williams even make the team?" in his tweet. There is absolutely no reason to think he won't. He's inexpensive, he's been good prior to his injury, which he is now 2 years removed from. Even if another RB gets ahead of him, even if two do, they're still not cutting him. Lammey knows this. He did it just to be provocative. He did it to get views. It's not reporting, it's sensationalism. And that one tweet kicked off a storm of AI generated trash articles citing it as a source that Javonte was on the outs. They're still popping up weeks later.

You can tweet crap like that or you can be a reporter. You can't do both. I hope he learns from this.

Lammey has been at every Broncos' OTA practice, and he's not the only one in Denver saying this. Javonte has not been right since the injury, he has no burst anymore. There's Perine, and three young, hungry and talented RBs. Which one of those is a banged up Javonte gonna beat out for a roster spot?

They all have to beat him out and that's not going to happen.

 

[Ilov80s]

One of my worst takes was I believed Javonte to be better than ETN coming into their rookie draft

I mean, before his ACL tear its very arguable that he was the best RB in that class. I don't think that's a take you should feel bad about at all. Hell, in hindsight, the best actual RB (NFL value, not fantasy) has been Rhamondre Stevenson.

It's really not. Javonte was fun because he ran really hard and had some great Beastmode runs but objectively their college careers were not comparable. ETN was one of the best college backs we've ever seen. He's top 15 all time in scrimmage yards and in yards per carry. He's 4th in TDs from scrimmage all time. He's the ACC's All Time leading rusher. 2X ACC Player of the Year.

And it would maybe derail this thread but I do not at all think Stevenson is better than ETN.

I'm not comparing their college careers, though I'd argue Williams final season against any of Etienne's, he just saw less work because his team had another really good RB (same thing happened to Najee) I meant Javonte's rookie season, where he looked like a Lynch-ish level prospect, despite having nothing around him.

Going into 2022, I think almost everyone would have preferred Williams.

ETN had a 2000 yard season where he averaged 8.4 yards per touch. I would put that up against just about any RB season ever but yes Javonte was sharing with Michael Carter so much so that until Williams final season, Cater was the 1A and Williams was still the 1B. As for NFL, yes Williams looked better after year 1. Was easy to do since ETN missed the entire season. ETN now has 2 seasons comparable or better than Javonte's rookie year. Injuries suck though. Sucks ETN lost his rookie year. Really sucks that Williams and Dobbins have had to go through ugly knee injuries. I hope Javonte comes back and captures the spark he had his rookie year. He was a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Jppaul]

Denver was top 5 in both paas pro and run blocking. Both Bolles and Cushenbery had

I think Cushenbery is gone?

 

[menobrown]

I have zero issue with Lammey having his takes on players. Everyone is right some and everyone is wrong some. It's good to take a stance regardless of outcome.

What I do have a large issue with was his tweet. Completely unfounded to put "Will Javonte Williams even make the team?" in his tweet. There is absolutely no reason to think he won't. He's inexpensive, he's been good prior to his injury, which he is now 2 years removed from. Even if another RB gets ahead of him, even if two do, they're still not cutting him. Lammey knows this. He did it just to be provocative. He did it to get views. It's not reporting, it's sensationalism. And that one tweet kicked off a storm of AI generated trash articles citing it as a source that Javonte was on the outs. They're still popping up weeks later.

You can tweet crap like that or you can be a reporter. You can't do both. I hope he learns from this.

Lammey has been at every Broncos' OTA practice, and he's not the only one in Denver saying this. Javonte has not been right since the injury, he has no burst anymore. There's Perine, and three young, hungry and talented RBs. Which one of those is a banged up Javonte gonna beat out for a roster spot?

And I've read reports from other beat writers he looks a lot better and have not seen any of them forecast him not starting, less yet getting cut.

Almost everyone looking at this situation realistically sees either Perine and his $3M pay -which is $1.2M more then anyone else and/or unproven undrafted Blake Watson, who might be able to be stashed on the practice squad, as the two on most shaky ground of making the active roster.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Denver was top 5 in both paas pro and run blocking. Both Bolles and Cushenbery had

I think Cushenbery is gone?

Yep went to TEN. I was just thinking about what went right for the OL last year. I remember a lot of media pushing them up in preseason OL rankings & I was like “Why? It’s the same guys who were terrible a year ago.” But the bounce back seasons by the C & LT + Meinerz elevating to an elite run blocker did push them into the top 10 as a unit.

Back to 2024, looks like they’re planning on switching a backup G with 129 career snaps to C. His comp is a former UDFA who has never made a 53-man out of camp, a 7th rounder fm last year, and a 7th rounder fm this year’s class.

Such a talent deficit at key positions on offense though. Nix/Stidham/Zach is a bottom 5 QB room, WR isn't much better, and they spread the touches around at RB (actually finished 3rd in PPG for RBs as a team but no one was in the Top 30. Their mediocre TE group might be their second best positional group behind the OL.

At least they'll probably have fewer drive killing sacks. Russ was 28th worst in converting sacks to pressure because he was 36th in Time To Throw. I know Payton wants the ball to come out a lot quicker and if Nix gets on an accelerated path they might end the year as a functional unit. But it's gonna be a rough year with Stidham or Zach under center if they want the kid to sit and learn.

 

[travdogg]

I have zero issue with Lammey having his takes on players. Everyone is right some and everyone is wrong some. It's good to take a stance regardless of outcome.

What I do have a large issue with was his tweet. Completely unfounded to put "Will Javonte Williams even make the team?" in his tweet. There is absolutely no reason to think he won't. He's inexpensive, he's been good prior to his injury, which he is now 2 years removed from. Even if another RB gets ahead of him, even if two do, they're still not cutting him. Lammey knows this. He did it just to be provocative. He did it to get views. It's not reporting, it's sensationalism. And that one tweet kicked off a storm of AI generated trash articles citing it as a source that Javonte was on the outs. They're still popping up weeks later.

You can tweet crap like that or you can be a reporter. You can't do both. I hope he learns from this.

Lammey has been at every Broncos' OTA practice, and he's not the only one in Denver saying this. Javonte has not been right since the injury, he has no burst anymore. There's Perine, and three young, hungry and talented RBs. Which one of those is a banged up Javonte gonna beat out for a roster spot?

And I've read reports from other beat writers he looks a lot better and have not seen any of them forecast him not starting, less yet getting cut.

Almost everyone looking at this situation realistically sees either Perine and his $3M pay -which is $1.2M more then anyone else and/or unproven undrafted Blake Watson, who might be able to be stashed on the practice squad, as the two on most shaky ground of making the active roster.

I think there is a pretty good chance Perine is cut if Estime looks ready to contribute. Could see Perine ending up back in Cincy and torpedoing people's Chris Brown shares.

 

[JohnnyU]

I have zero issue with Lammey having his takes on players. Everyone is right some and everyone is wrong some. It's good to take a stance regardless of outcome.

What I do have a large issue with was his tweet. Completely unfounded to put "Will Javonte Williams even make the team?" in his tweet. There is absolutely no reason to think he won't. He's inexpensive, he's been good prior to his injury, which he is now 2 years removed from. Even if another RB gets ahead of him, even if two do, they're still not cutting him. Lammey knows this. He did it just to be provocative. He did it to get views. It's not reporting, it's sensationalism. And that one tweet kicked off a storm of AI generated trash articles citing it as a source that Javonte was on the outs. They're still popping up weeks later.

You can tweet crap like that or you can be a reporter. You can't do both. I hope he learns from this.

Lammey has been at every Broncos' OTA practice, and he's not the only one in Denver saying this. Javonte has not been right since the injury, he has no burst anymore. There's Perine, and three young, hungry and talented RBs. Which one of those is a banged up Javonte gonna beat out for a roster spot?

And I've read reports from other beat writers he looks a lot better and have not seen any of them forecast him not starting, less yet getting cut.

Almost everyone looking at this situation realistically sees either Perine and his $3M pay -which is $1.2M more then anyone else and/or unproven undrafted Blake Watson, who might be able to be stashed on the practice squad, as the two on most shaky ground of making the active roster.

I think there is a pretty good chance Perine is cut if Estime looks ready to contribute. Could see Perine ending up back in Cincy and torpedoing people's Chris Brown shares.

No it wouldn’t

 

[ZADO]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

 

[ghostguy123]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

Jared Smola - Fantasy Football Lead Analyst | Draft Sharks

Jared Smola is the Lead Analyst at Draft Sharks. He offers expert fantasy football advice and weekly player projections to help you dominate your league.

www.draftsharks.com

"Who is Jared Smola?" questions answered.

 

[menobrown]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

A guy with a fantasy opinion like you, me and most of the diehards posting here year round.

 

[ZADO]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

A guy with a fantasy opinion like you, me and most of the diehards posting here year round.

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

 

[joey]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

A guy with a fantasy opinion like you, me and most of the diehards posting here year round.

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

I’m no expert for sure…but I’m high on Javonte this year as well.

 

[BassNBrew]

Lol, he could be cut? Oh come on now

Seems highly highly unlikely but also seems like this a warning for fantasy players. Not that he won't make the team but that he's not looking good and won't help us.

All of this, and I mean that, spawned from one single and wildly irresponsible click-baity tweet by Cecil Lammey. Who is a FBG writer.

Like, the little fast guy looked like the best RB in non-contact, no pads, mini camp. That's kinda expected. Thing is, this is the NFL, not flag football. So, kinda irrelevant how they looked. There basically is no actual news on Javonte at this point, other than Sean P said a couple nice things like a month back.

Wait for actual preseason. Then see for yourself.

Lol, he could be cut? Oh come on now

Seems highly highly unlikely but also seems like this a warning for fantasy players. Not that he won't make the team but that he's not looking good and won't help us.

All of this, and I mean that, spawned from one single and wildly irresponsible click-baity tweet by Cecil Lammey. Who is a FBG writer.

Like, the little fast guy looked like the best RB in non-contact, no pads, mini camp. That's kinda expected. Thing is, this is the NFL, not flag football. So, kinda irrelevant how they looked. There basically is no actual news on Javonte at this point, other than Sean P said a couple nice things like a month back.

Wait for actual preseason. Then see for yourself.

Lammey is a good writer and I enjoy him on podcasts but he does not like Payton and has been very high on McLaughlin since last year's preseason. Definitely a good point to check on sources here.

I have zero issue with Lammey having his takes on players. Everyone is right some and everyone is wrong some. It's good to take a stance regardless of outcome.

What I do have a large issue with was his tweet. Completely unfounded to put "Will Javonte Williams even make the team?" in his tweet. There is absolutely no reason to think he won't. He's inexpensive, he's been good prior to his injury, which he is now 2 years removed from. Even if another RB gets ahead of him, even if two do, they're still not cutting him. Lammey knows this. He did it just to be provocative. He did it to get views. It's not reporting, it's sensationalism. And that one tweet kicked off a storm of AI generated trash articles citing it as a source that Javonte was on the outs. They're still popping up weeks later.

You can tweet crap like that or you can be a reporter. You can't do both. I hope he learns from this.

Lammey was the same guy propping up Russ as a QB1 for most of last year. Based on past pre-seasons, he's trying to hit on pre-season Bronco sleepers. Generally looks like the FBG Bold Prediction thread where 98% of them are horribly wrong.

 

[Jppaul]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell you.

 

[ZADO]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

A guy with a fantasy opinion like you, me and most of the diehards posting here year round.

Please , enlighten us about how many awards you`ve won>

• Draft Sharks
  Jared Smola, the winner of the Multi-Year Projection Accuracy Award, is considered one of the most trusted fantasy football analysts.

 

[menobrown]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

A guy with a fantasy opinion like you, me and most of the diehards posting here year round.

Please , enlighten us about how many awards you`ve won>

• Draft Sharks
  Jared Smola, the winner of the Multi-Year Projection Accuracy Award, is considered one of the most trusted fantasy football analysts.

One of the lamest responses in quite some time around here.

 

[ZADO]

Jared Smola is high on him this season​

Who's that

A guy with a fantasy opinion like you, me and most of the diehards posting here year round.

Please , enlighten us about how many awards you`ve won>

• Draft Sharks
  Jared Smola, the winner of the Multi-Year Projection Accuracy Award, is considered one of the most trusted fantasy football analysts.

One of the lamest responses in quite some time around here.

thank u

 

[JohnnyU]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Ever go to a restaurant with a vegan? Don't you just love it when they have to have a 15 minute conversation with the waiter about what's in the food and whether this or that is cooked around other foods?

 

[(HULK)]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell you.

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Lammey's schtick is tough to take (for me) on the pods. Bit of a "I'm in an insider/ OG" looking down upon fantasy writers that seem to be making stuff up from his pov. especially if they're new or whatever. It's always a vague mudsling that seems really unnecessary and I don't understand it. Rant over.

He was one of the folks that raised the red flag for me about Jeudy who I used to think was undervalued. "I'm not going to say who told me because I'd be betraying my very reputable sources" that Jeudy only cares when he's the focal point of the offense. Otherwise he's disinterested. The other of course is Harmon who has very few positive things to say about his route running. Jeudy rant over.

Given he does report on the Broncos, I take some of it as insider info but all has to be with a grain of salt. I don't consider him a true film or spreadsheet grinder so he's pretty low on the totem pole.

Javonte will more than likely remain the lead back. I have one share of Javonte and one of Jaleel on a different team (that could really use an RB) so I'm indifferent- but like has been mentioned here and I hear on more than one pod per week- "once the pads go on, it's different" so we'll see.

 

[Jppaul]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell you.

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

nope, I've never run into a preachy vegan.

 

[JohnnyU]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?
The

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

nope, I've never run into a preachy vegan.

Then you're living right. I'm cursed to be friends with one and have had to go through the long drawn out waiter conversation with her on more than one occasion.

 

[Jppaul]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?
The

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

nope, I've never run into a preachy vegan.

Then you're living right. I'm cursed to be friends with one and have had to go through the long drawn out waiter conversation with her on more than one occasion.

oh, sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across text very well. He was saying that I should tell "preachy vegan feel free to tell them to stuff it" while suggesting he is not one, but then went on a preachy rant about "Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming".

 

[(HULK)]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?
The

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

nope, I've never run into a preachy vegan.

Then you're living right. I'm cursed to be friends with one and have had to go through the long drawn out waiter conversation with her on more than one occasion.

oh, sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across text very well. He was saying that I should tell "preachy vegan feel free to tell them to stuff it" while suggesting he is not one, but then went on a preachy rant about "Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming".

Not everyone is. Frankly, I used to not be clued in on what is normalized with industrial farming. But even if they are, they're free to make their own choices.

The preachy ones tell you you're a murderer and try and convince people to adopt this really restrictive diet that is very difficult to adhere to. I don't pass judgement on people for their choices relating to what they eat.

In the real world, I tell people to avoid looking into it if I think they might turn vegan based on what they learn. Because it sucks to live like this IMO.

 

[eighsse2]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?
The

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

nope, I've never run into a preachy vegan.

Then you're living right. I'm cursed to be friends with one and have had to go through the long drawn out waiter conversation with her on more than one occasion.

oh, sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across text very well. He was saying that I should tell "preachy vegan feel free to tell them to stuff it" while suggesting he is not one, but then went on a preachy rant about "Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming".

Not everyone is. Frankly, I used to not be clued in on what is normalized with industrial farming. But even if they are, they're free to make their own choices.

The preachy ones tell you you're a murderer and try and convince people to adopt this really restrictive diet that is very difficult to adhere to. I don't pass judgement on people for their choices relating to what they eat.

In the real world, I tell people to avoid looking into it if I think they might turn vegan based on what they learn. Because it sucks to live like this IMO.

You're really making me want to know these juicy industrialized farming secrets!

 

[Jppaul]

everyone's an expert , just ask them they`ll tell you

how can you tell when someone's a vegan?
The

I have over 30,000 posts here and haven't said a peep until right now so that axiom isn't really accurate IMO.

That said, I'm not exactly a vegan, I just do not consume or purchase animal products in the United States due to my ethical concerns with our modern farming practices. I ate meat plenty this spring when I was in Belize and they manage to farm animals without it being the horror show that it is in the states. Anyways, I miss meat and especially cheese and have to eat stupid vegetables all the time because I'm just trying to do what I believe is right. Please don't make fun of that.

Also, if you ever run into a preachy vegan (and yes there are plenty) feel free to tell them to stuff it. Just because I made a choice for myself doesn't mean the rest of you have to do so. I signed up to eat stupid gross fake cheese made from nuts, and I have zero expectation that the rest of you do the same. Honestly, it SUCKS. Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming and not everyone has the glutton for punishment trait necessary to make the choices I've made. Anyways, when you paint with a broad brush, you're often inaccurate. Anyways, enjoy your day and let's get back to discussing how Cecil's off his rocker for suggesting Javonte gets cut.

nope, I've never run into a preachy vegan.

Then you're living right. I'm cursed to be friends with one and have had to go through the long drawn out waiter conversation with her on more than one occasion.

oh, sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across text very well. He was saying that I should tell "preachy vegan feel free to tell them to stuff it" while suggesting he is not one, but then went on a preachy rant about "Not everyone is really clued in on what happens with industrialized animal farming".

Not everyone is. Frankly, I used to not be clued in on what is normalized with industrial farming. But even if they are, they're free to make their own choices.

The preachy ones tell you you're a murderer and try and convince people to adopt this really restrictive diet that is very difficult to adhere to. I don't pass judgement on people for their choices relating to what they eat.

In the real world, I tell people to avoid looking into it if I think they might turn vegan based on what they learn. Because it sucks to live like this IMO.

You're really making me want to know these juicy industrialized farming secrets!

stop, you're making me hunger

 

[Jppaul]

You're really making me want to know these juicy industrialized farming secrets!

darn it, now I want a steak

 

[eighsse2]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

 

[(HULK)]

You're really making me want to know these juicy industrialized farming secrets!

darn it, now I want a steak

I feel like that this is intended to upset me but I'm serious when I say people are free to make their own choices. Enjoy your steak.

Can we move this back on topic, thank you

 

[(HULK)]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

I don't see him losing 1st and 2nd down work unless Estime bucks trends and really cooks. He'll have to really sizzle in preseason to eat into Javonte's early down work.

Passing down work, unless Javonte is back to pre-injury form, he's not going to be in in those situations much. He ran like a potato last year.

 

[ZADO]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

I don't see him losing 1st and 2nd down work unless Estime bucks trends and really cooks. He'll have to really sizzle in preseason to eat into Javonte's early down work.

Passing down work, unless Javonte is back to pre-injury form, he's not going to be in in those situations much. He ran like a potato last year.

I think this is more about how the coach has historically used his RB`s

 

[massraider]

Big fan since draft day, but I'm nervous.

 

[Jppaul]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

I see what you did there! Nice.

And I think he is. I think Coach wants to move in a new direction

Rbbc. I think FOUR rbs get the split

 

[(HULK)]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

I don't see him losing 1st and 2nd down work unless Estime bucks trends and really cooks. He'll have to really sizzle in preseason to eat into Javonte's early down work.

Passing down work, unless Javonte is back to pre-injury form, he's not going to be in in those situations much. He ran like a potato last year.

I think this is more about how the coach has historically used his RB`s

Correct my if I'm wrong, but doesn't he have a history of utilizing a pounder on early downs with a receiving back otherwise?

 

[menobrown]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

I don't see him losing 1st and 2nd down work unless Estime bucks trends and really cooks. He'll have to really sizzle in preseason to eat into Javonte's early down work.

Passing down work, unless Javonte is back to pre-injury form, he's not going to be in in those situations much. He ran like a potato last year.

What if I told you that 86% of Denver's league leading RB targets were on first and second down.

 

[nittanylion]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he have a history of utilizing a pounder on early downs with a receiving back otherwise?

Done.

 

[LBH]

Blake Watson on anyone’s radar?

 

[travdogg]

Blake Watson on anyone’s radar?

I don't think he makes the roster unless Perine is cut. PS candidate.

 

[BassNBrew]

Alright alright, back to Javonte, guys, let's corral this back in ... Is there really any chance these rumors are true that he's dead meat?

I don't see him losing 1st and 2nd down work unless Estime bucks trends and really cooks. He'll have to really sizzle in preseason to eat into Javonte's early down work.

Passing down work, unless Javonte is back to pre-injury form, he's not going to be in in those situations much. He ran like a potato last year.

I think this is more about how the coach has historically used his RB`s

Correct my if I'm wrong, but doesn't he have a history of utilizing a pounder on early downs with a receiving back otherwise?

With four RBs I'm expecting a quarter pounder.

 

[Dez]

The Denver Posts’ Troy Renck believes Javonte Williams and Samaje Perine could be battling for a final roster spot in the Broncos’ backfield.

 

[JohnnyU]

The Denver Posts’ Troy Renck believes Javonte Williams and Samaje Perine could be battling for a final roster spot in the Broncos’ backfield.

Oh the off-season. So many things out there you don't know what to believe. He's a newspaper guy for crying out loud. Has the Broncos coaches been in his ear? Has he said as much?

 

[Birdie048]

The Denver Posts’ Troy Renck believes Javonte Williams and Samaje Perine could be battling for a final roster spot in the Broncos’ backfield.

Oh the off-season. So many things out there you don't know what to believe. He's a newspaper guy for crying out loud. Has the Broncos coaches been in his ear? Has he said as much?

Maybe he was at all the practices, heard the discussions on the sidelines or interviewed some FO/Coaches???
It is just a whisper in the realm of news media. Limited value but might be accurate or just a case of posting their opinion or thoughts…
Long way to go to determine reality
Maybe Javonte goes to Dallas??
Maybe Javonte gets traded to LAC?
I don’t think it had been decided. Too much still to settle

 

[JohnnyU]

The Denver Posts’ Troy Renck believes Javonte Williams and Samaje Perine could be battling for a final roster spot in the Broncos’ backfield.

Oh the off-season. So many things out there you don't know what to believe. He's a newspaper guy for crying out loud. Has the Broncos coaches been in his ear? Has he said as much?

Maybe he was at all the practices, heard the discussions on the sidelines or interviewed some FO/Coaches???
It is just a whisper in the realm of news media. Limited value but might be accurate or just a case of posting their opinion or thoughts…
Long way to go to determine reality
Maybe Javonte goes to Dallas??
Maybe Javonte gets traded to LAC?
I don’t think it had been decided. Too much still to settle

Players in pads can't get here soon enough.

 

[Ray_T]

well, as for the recovery from the injury: here is my take

most ACL injuries take 18-24 months to heal. ADP did it in less than 12 months and now everyone has the expectation that that is the norm. it isnt. ADP was just a freaky(in a good way) athlete who heals quickly.

most athletes will recover from the ACL well enough to play in 12 months but they wont be 100%. the straight line speed (top speed) is there, but in many cases at 12 months the burst isnt what it was prior to the injury and the lateral moving (ie making sharp cuts at speed) also isnt there.

for a RB to be effective he needs those things. some coaches will be able to cover up or compensate for the bad knee in giving certain plays that dont put strain on that knee but in the end defenses will eventualy know what you can and cannot do and will key on that. so in the first year back from an ACL injury I usually give the player a mulligan and pretend the year didnt happen. (unless they are around the age 30 in which case age tends to make such injuries worse and longer to heal)

either way, I have this guy pegged as a bounceback candidate and if I can get him on the cheap, I will take him

 

[Jppaul]

The Denver Posts’ Troy Renck believes Javonte Williams and Samaje Perine could be battling for a final roster spot in the Broncos’ backfield.

there's no way either of these guys would make it to the practice squad. My guess is they don't give blake watson much work in the pre-season and they try to put him on taxi

the only way I can think they release one of them is if they truly think he's washed up, otherwise, keep it quiet and trade one. I feel like this might be smoke to push up Jaleel's value to trade him

EDIT: I also tihnk one of these guys ends up in texas

 

[FarFromHome]

On his last year of a 4 year deal with a 2.8 million dollar cap hit. He must have really rubbed someone the wrong way or is completely toast for them to cut. I've always liked his running style. He didn't look horrible last year. Had some flashes. I have zero contacts inside the organization but would be shocked if they just dumped him. Imo

 

[travdogg]

If Williams is truly on the bubble, some contender should be trying to acquire him for a day 3 pick. Like Baltimore, or Houston (assuming they have soured on Pierce, maybe swap for each other?) or the aforementioned Dallas.

 

[Jppaul]

I only play on MFL, but none of these news clips make it to his profile page. are these spreading to other FF sites' profile pages for him?

I wonder what FF sites consider for news to post?

if this news spreads, I'd consider JW a good dynasty buy-"low"