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RB Joe Mixon, HOU (2 Viewers)

Casting Couch said:
There is a great difference between  "alleged", and "tried and convicted".  Mixon, in essence, is the latter.
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Mixon was acquitted of criminal charges in this case. So he wasn't tried and convicted of anything..... 

But okay...

In 2008 Larry Johnson with the KC Chiefs was charged and plead guitly to simple assault for spitting on a woman. Apparently Edwards had no problem with this then.Was the coach

In 2005 Lionel Dalton was accused of domestic battery of his wife on Thanksgiving. Played for Herm. No problem

I guess Herm only has problems now from his ivory tower. 
 

 
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Dr. Brew said:
He was acquitted of criminal charges in this case. So he wasn't tried and convicted of anything..... 

But okay...

In 2008 Larry Johnson with the KC Chiefs was charged and plead guitly to simple assault for spitting on a woman. Apparently Edwards had no problem with this then.Was the coach

In 2005 Lionel Dalton was accused of domestic battery of his wife on Thanksgiving. Played for Herm. No problem

I guess Herm only has problems now from his ivory tower. 
 
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Mixon was tried and convicted in the court of Public opinion based on the video.

I agree with your Johnson and Dalton observations, as they occured while Herm was coaching them.

 
Casting Couch said:
There is a great difference between  "alleged", and "tried and convicted".  Mixon, in essence, is the latter.
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Plus Lewis was never charged with murder - just "obstruction of justice".

And there's a difference between Edwards saying he wouldn't draft some one and him not immediately quitting his job after the company he works for hires some one of questionable character.

 
I have a daughter. If I felt the need to show her the video I would explain to her that if she throws the first punch in a fight, even if it's with a dude, she shouldn't be surprised if she gets hit in return.

 
Casting Couch said:
Mixon was tried and convicted in the court of Public opinion based on the video.
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That makes no sense. In the court of public opinion Ray Lewis is a murderer. Big Ben is a rapist. I don't see your point.

I could see if Mixon was convicted of this in a courtroom. that's one thing. But a court of law found he was not criminally at fault. Clearly they had more information than what is shown in a video that shows half the altercation and the girl as the aggressor. You can play that video all you want, all Mixon has to say was that he made a mistake, was acquitted of all charges, and has made changes in his life to better himself. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
That makes no sense. In the court of public opinion Ray Lewis is a murderer. Big Ben is a rapist. I don't see your point.

I could see if Mixon was convicted of this in a courtroom. that's one thing. But a court of law found he was not criminally at fault. Clearly they had more information than what is shown in a video that shows half the altercation and the girl as the aggressor. You can play that video all you want, all Mixon has to say was that he made a mistake, was acquitted of all charges, and has made changes in his life to better himself. 
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I think you're getting caught up on semantics here.  Regardless of whether or not it's a crime, many people view the act of hitting a woman at all as something abhorrent regardless of the circumstances.  Obviously, he hit the woman.  He is "guilty" of that whether or not it was an actual crime, and there are plenty of people more concerned with the morality than the legality.  That's different than someone who was accused of hitting a woman but we're not sure if they actually did it.

I do agree with your point about it being easier to say it from a broadcast booth than putting your money where your mouth is.  In that sense i'm reminded of my local congressman (Chaffetz) who said that he would never be able to look his daughters in the eyes again if he were to vote for Trump.....and then voted for him anyway.  I would gamble that Herm would act similarly, especially given your examples of less than role model players he previously employed.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I think you're getting caught up on semantics here.  Regardless of whether or not it's a crime, many people view the act of hitting a woman at all as something abhorrent regardless of the circumstances.  Obviously, he hit the woman.  He is "guilty" of that whether or not it was an actual crime, and there are plenty of people more concerned with the morality than the legality.  That's different than someone who was accused of hitting a woman but we're not sure if they actually did it.

I do agree with your point about it being easier to say it from a broadcast booth than putting your money where your mouth is.  In that sense i'm reminded of my local congressman (Chaffetz) who said that he would never be able to look his daughters in the eyes again if he were to vote for Trump.....and then voted for him anyway.  I would gamble that Herm would act similarly, especially given your examples of less than role model players he previously employed.
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I was only getting caught up in semantics because he had made a comment that Mixon was tried and convicted, when in fact he was charged and found to not be criminally at fault. 

Yeah, he hit a girl. But again, there are circumstances here that are at play. He did not just walk up to her and hit her in the restaurant. He was struck first. yes, his response was over the top, I'm not defending his actions. In the court of public opinion, many women in fact have said that the girl was at fault here. I've heard it talked about on talk radio, women were asked to call in, and every woman who called it said she was at fault and what did she expect. Now that's nothing close to an actual public opinion poll but it's telling that there isn't this massive outrage against him. And it's likely why he was found not guilty. The girl was stupid. He was stupid right back. 

I think many many people are going to be disappointed in the lack of "outrage" that actually comes from all of this. Somehow Trump will be blamed. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
I was only getting caught up in semantics because he had made a comment that Mixon was tried and convicted, when in fact he was charged and found to not be criminally at fault. 

Yeah, he hit a girl. But again, there are circumstances here that are at play. He did not just walk up to her and hit her in the restaurant. He was struck first. yes, his response was over the top, I'm not defending his actions. In the court of public opinion, many women in fact have said that the girl was at fault here. I've heard it talked about on talk radio, women were asked to call in, and every woman who called it said she was at fault and what did she expect. Now that's nothing close to an actual public opinion poll but it's telling that there isn't this massive outrage against him. And it's likely why he was found not guilty. The girl was stupid. He was stupid right back. 

I think many many people are going to be disappointed in the lack of "outrage" that actually comes from all of this. Somehow Trump will be blamed. 
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That's exactly the "semantics" I was talking about.  He said "in essence".  As in, he's guilty of hitting a woman.  Whether or not that's an actual crime is not the issue at play here.  There is no doubt he hit a woman.  It's not an accusation, it's a fact.  For many, most even, that is enough regardless of the circumstances, and there's a big difference in public opinion between that and someone who is accused of hitting a woman without any way to know if they actually did it or not.

 
Dr. Brew said:
That makes no sense. In the court of public opinion Ray Lewis is a murderer. Big Ben is a rapist. I don't see your point.
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It's on freaking VIDEO. Just like the Ray Rice beatdown, and we saw what happened to him.

Your Ray Lewis and Big Ben comparisons are not even in the same universe.

 
 

An anonymous NFL scout told Bleacher Report that he trusts Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon more than FSU RB Dalvin Cook.
"The pattern of bad decisions are alarming, really," the scout said of Cook. "With my job on the line, I trust [Joe] Mixon a lot more than Dalvin Cook." Though Cook has never been found guilty of a crime, he's been charged with misdemeanor battery (2015), cited for a violation of animal care (2014), charged with firing a weapon and possession of a weapon on school property (2010) and charged with robbery (2009). Cook has also been charged with criminal mischief after allegedly causing property damage with a BB gun. On top of all that, he has shoulder and hamstring issues, fumbling problems and tested horrifically at the NFL Combine. B/R's Matt Miller predicts he'll fall into the second round.

 
 
Source: Bleacher Report 
Mar 23 - 3:37 PM
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Dr. Brew said:
Let's say the greatest quarterback prospect to ever come out of college was there at your pick, but he at one time said something pretty bad about Mexicans. Your in-laws happen to be Mexican so you take great offense and pass on him?
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I consider myself to have a very strong moral compass and deep religious beliefs.  You learn that you have to lead by example.  Based on that character and the person I want to be and to be associated with... I know what my actions would be...

I would go to Tequila Mexico and buy some high end spirits.  Than I would get one of those quick "Mexican Divorces".  With the in-laws out of the picture, I would draft the blue chip QB prospect and celebrate with the Anejo.  You did say he was the greatest prospect ever and this is the NFL.

 
I'm loving all the anonymous GMs and scouts coming out sniping Cook hoping they can steal him at the bottom of the first. Shark move.  :cool:

 
Dolphins beat writer Armando Salguero spoke with one person in the organization who said there is a "zero percent chance" Miami selects Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon in the upcoming draft.
Expect a number of similar statements to leak out in the coming weeks, as teams already know if Mixon will be on or off their board. The talented running back will visit a large amount of teams, and even more will travel to Oklahoma for private sessions, in the hopes of getting to know Mixon on a better level.

 
 
Source: Miami Herald on Twitter 
Mar 27 - 10:19 AM
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Andy Dufresne said:
That's a weird blurb. Why would they draft him after Ajayi emerged?
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It's exactly why they can make such a statement

It's like me saying there is a zero percent chance I buy a brand new car by choice this year. Doesn't mean I don't like any of the cars out there. It's that bought one last year

 
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Dr. Brew said:
It's exactly why they can make such a statement

It's like me saying there is a zero percent chance I buy a brand new car by choice this year. Doesn't mean I don't like any of the cars out there. It's that bought one last year
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But why say it at all?

"In case anyone was wondering...we're not interested in Mixon. "

No Miami. Nobody was wondering.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
But why say it at all?

"In case anyone was wondering...we're not interested in Mixon. "

No Miami. Nobody was wondering.
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I think it's just because it's a story. Beat writers are going to ask stupid questions just to see if they will get a story. If they said yes next thing you know Salguero writes a headline that says "Dolphins war on women" or something stupid. I doubt they asked about Cook, Fournette, McCaffrey. 

 
I can tell you there is a zero percent chance Jerry Richardson and the Panthers select Mixon.

...but I wish they would.

 
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So, aside from Miami, which spots do we know (or think we know) are gonna shy away from him to avoid the backlash of his incident?

Add, Carolina, as spider said. SF? GB, Baltimore, I keep hearing how much distaste the jets owner has for Kaep, does he feel the same about mixon?

So if these spots are accurate, we have 5 teams that wont likely take him solely on character concerns. Arguably only 1 of them doesnt need a RB (SF)

Then take away a handful of teams that just arent in the market for a starter, so an earlier pick is pretty unlikely (when you combine the off field stuff, obv everyone is looking for talent);

Say, AZ, Pitt, Dal, both LA teams, ATL, Chi maybe, tenn maybe?

Id almost put minny in the first group as well, but they need rb help so Im not sure I could count them out only based on character things.

Leaving us with;

CLE

CIN

Det

Minn (maybe)

Hou

Indy

Jags

Saints

Bucs

Bills

Pats

NYG

Iggles

Skins

Den

KC

Sea

Thoughts? Im sure we can narrow it down a bit more

 
Pwingles said:
So, aside from Miami, which spots do we know (or think we know) are gonna shy away from him to avoid the backlash of his incident?

Add, Carolina, as spider said. SF? GB, Baltimore, I keep hearing how much distaste the jets owner has for Kaep, does he feel the same about mixon?

Thoughts? Im sure we can narrow it down a bit more
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Why GB? 

 
KC - I don't think would be over aggressive to get him. They have Ware, West and even Hill to get some carries. Hill's history shows they are willing but I don't see the need too. Put the (maybe) tag on them?

Buf - Shady is there. If he falls off the cliff they can get a back next year.

Sea - Lacy, Rawls, Procise. They have to much tied up in RBs already. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
Why GB? 
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They have been pretty consistent on their views about character in the past. Id be surprised if they didnt have him totally off their board.

Borden said:
KC - I don't think would be over aggressive to get him. They have Ware, West and even Hill to get some carries. Hill's history shows they are willing but I don't see the need too. Put the (maybe) tag on them?

Buf - Shady is there. If he falls off the cliff they can get a back next year.

Sea - Lacy, Rawls, Procise. They have to much tied up in RBs already. 
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I agree with this mostly. I think buffalo is a place that would look at him in later rounds. They might be snakebit though after their last two attempts at RB in the draft. I see KC/Reid as a guy who would give him a shot though. Talent is talent, and I dont see them not being at least a little intrigued. But on the flip side of that, they did take some heat for Hill last year.

 
Pwingles said:
They have been pretty consistent on their views about character in the past. Id be surprised if they didnt have him totally off their board.

I agree with this mostly. I think buffalo is a place that would look at him in later rounds. They might be snakebit though after their last two attempts at RB in the draft. I see KC/Reid as a guy who would give him a shot though. Talent is talent, and I dont see them not being at least a little intrigued. But on the flip side of that, they did take some heat for Hill last year.
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I was looking at it as a first 2 rounds situation. In the 3rd teams will be a lot more open to the idea and after that, all bets are off. 

 
Assuming he drops at worst to round 2, these are the teams I would think would avoid this because of character concerns or even need. If he drops to round 3 reward outweighs risk and I think a lot of teams bite. I broke these up into tiers:

Tier 1: Likely off their draft board/no real need:
Miami - said they won't
Baltimore - avoid any chance possible for Ray Rice 2.0
Carolina - will avoid
Seattle - set at RB
Kansas City - set at RB
Tennessee - set at RB
Houston - set at RB, greater needs
Dallas - set at RB
Arizona - set at RB, greater needs
LA Rams - set at RB, greater needs
Chicago - Lots of needs, RB is last on that list
Atlanta- Set at RB
New England- BB never drafts RBs high
Cleveland- they have a lot of needs. RB isn't one of them. Unless he falls to them round 3. 

Tier 2: Good opportunity to be drafted, but unlikely
Minnesota - Just getting over AP's PR nightmare, probably will be in the market for a RB but I'm not guesisng Mixon will be part of that, but they have taken players with questionable histories
Green Bay - They have had players with questionable behavioral issues in the past. They aren't as "hard nosed" as some would think. This would be a great opportunity for Mixon, however I'm not sure Thompson would take him unless it was round 2, and I don't think he drops to them that far. If he does I think Thompson may grab him and it'd be a great spot for him to be. 
Denver - Denver has a pretty good history with character players... I'm not sure they would upset the apple cart
New York Jets- I think they have greater needs, and the owner might want straight laced players. 
Oakland- RBBC there. However, Reggie McKenzie is Ted Thompson light. and if you think Ted Thompson won't take Mixon then Reggie won't. 
SF- They are a mess. They have Hyde, why go for a RB round 2 when you have multiple needs
Tampa Bay- need a RB and he'd be RBBC, but I'm not so sure they'd want to take on a guy who might risk suspension when they have Martin suspended and may cut him for being a problem.
LA Chargers- They have Gordon. Lots of holes. If he fell to them round 3 I think they'd take him. 
New York Giants- They have good depth at RB. They already have the diva of all diva's at WR. What difference would it make bringing on a potential controversial player like Mixon. I can see this being a potential landing spot but I'm not sure the Giants want to muddy their RB situation any further. 

Tier 3: makes sense/likely landing spots
Pittsburgh- makes almost too much sense. I really think he ends up there. They don't need a RB now, so if he fails they still have Bell and can resign him
Philadelphia- very likely landing spot as well
Buffalo- Buffalo doesn't need a RB. They will. If Mixon doesn't pan out they still have Shady this year
Cincinnati- have been known to give questionable guys chances
Indianapolis- a very likely landing spot as well. Gore is great but they need a difference maker on offense. This could be Manning/James-like
Jacksonville- I hold the belief Jacksonville takes a RB round 1, but if they don't I can see them grabbing Mixon round 2
Washington- sure, why not. I don't see any reason they'd avoid taking him. They need a RB
Detroit- Rumor is they are enamored with him
New Orleans- There's a need and they are trying to avoid complete rebuilding mode



So I'd say it's likely he ends up one of those 9 teams. I'd put my money on Detroit (round 2), Pittsburgh (round 1), Philadelphia (round 2), Indianapolis (round 2). 

 
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Pitt in Round 1 seems unlikely to me. I think they could almost any other position except WR or RB in round 1. They've also shown that a old FA RB can come in and spell Bell. 

IF they weren't to resign Bell next year they can take an RB next year or later in the draft this year. 

 
Borden said:
Pitt in Round 1 seems unlikely to me. I think they could almost any other position except WR or RB in round 1. They've also shown that a old FA RB can come in and spell Bell. 

IF they weren't to resign Bell next year they can take an RB next year or later in the draft this year. 
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I would agree. I just think it almost makes too much sense. They have an alleged rapist at QB, a RB who feels the need to get paid big time next year, so why not draft Mixon and see if you can get the next best thing at RB assuming Bell leaves next year.

They may very well draft one late, but there is a glaring hole behind Bell and I think PIT hopes to draft a RB to fill that void, and potentially be their bell cow next year. That's the only reason I put them on the likely list. The fact that it'd take a round 1 pick means that PIT would have to be enamored with him. They could easily be in my Tier 2 if they're not willing to spend that high of a pick on him
 

 
How far will he fall? That will affect if the Steelers make a play.  Don't think they pounce in the 1st or 2nd, but they'd use a 3rd round pick on him. I bet he goes in the top half of the 2nd round, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was snagged by the Chiefs in round 2.  He's 100% better than Ware and West and they already drafted Tyfreak, so 0 qualms about moral issues.

 
from that list, I'd argue Colts, Skins, Jags, and Eagles may be the best landing spots for him if you are hoping for an impact this year.  

 
Dr. Brew said:
Tier 1: Likely off their draft board/no real need:
Seattle - set at RB
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Under the current regime, Seattle spent a 2nd, 4th, & 6th round picks on RB while Marshawn was still in his prime?  If Mixon falls to them in the 2nd and he's at the top of their board, I don't think an injury prone Rawls, a fat Eddie Lacy, or an unproven CJ Prosice would stop them from drafting him?

They drafted Frank Clark in 2015, so they've already dealt with having to handle the bad PR that would go along w/ drafting a player w/ this type of history

 
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Dr. Brew said:
Tier 3: makes sense/likely landing spots
Pittsburgh- makes almost too much sense. I really think he ends up there. They don't need a RB now, so if he fails they still have Bell and can resign him
Philadelphia- very likely landing spot as well
Buffalo- Buffalo doesn't need a RB. They will. If Mixon doesn't pan out they still have Shady this year
Cincinnati- have been known to give questionable guys chances
Indianapolis- a very likely landing spot as well. Gore is great but they need a difference maker on offense. This could be Manning/James-like
Jacksonville- I hold the belief Jacksonville takes a RB round 1, but if they don't I can see them grabbing Mixon round 2
Washington- sure, why not. I don't see any reason they'd avoid taking him. They need a RB
Detroit- Rumor is they are enamored with him
New Orleans- There's a need and they are trying to avoid complete rebuilding mode


So I'd say it's likely he ends up one of those 9 teams. I'd put my money on Detroit (round 2), Pittsburgh (round 1), Philadelphia (round 2), Indianapolis (round 2). 
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Good breakdown. My money is on Cincy. Two big factors: one, as you cited, they take a risk on character. But two, with their limited scouting and ESPN Big Board philosophy, I just think he'll be the highest ranked guy on the Big Board when their turn rolls around and they grab him in round 2 or 3. 

I disagree that he'll go in round 2 though. I think he does in three. 

 
tangfoot said:
Did I miss something?
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Hmmm I thought they had cut him. My mistake. He is still a member of the team. I'll edit the OP

eNdblu said:
Under the current regime, Seattle spent a 2nd, 4th, & 6th round picks on RB while Marshawn was still in his prime?  If Mixon falls to them in the 2nd and he's at the top of their board, I don't think an injury prone Rawls, a fat Eddie Lacy, or an unproven CJ Prosice would stop them from drafting him?

They drafted Frank Clark in 2015, so they've already dealt with having to handle the bad PR that would go along w/ drafting a player w/ this type of history
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I don't put it past anyone to draft him if he's their top player on the board. I'd think Seattle would spend more efforts on improving their OL in the first few rounds than drafting a RB. Yes, Lacy is overweight and only on a 1 year deal. Rawls and Prosice are okay so far but nothing amazing. I don't see him slipping to Seattle in round 2. If he does fall that far, maybe they bite. I'm not so certain. Would they take 4-5 RBs in 2017? That's the bigger thing holding me back from putting them into my Tier 2. I can't see them giving up in Rawls or Prosice. This is a deep draft at RB and Seattle needs a RB (before signing Lacy) so perhaps they are in the market. I don't see them passing on him because of character issues. More from a need perspective. 

 
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massraider said:
He should/will probably go #1 in some rookie drafts, and why not?

Off the field stuff can drop him on NFL team's boards, but whoever takes him is probably going to take him early, and use him a lot.  Why wouldn't he be discussed as the 1.01?  
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It's a near consensus at this point that Mixon is the best rb in this class, especially in PPR formats. When an NFL drafts him in the late 1st, he'll be the 1.01

 
Rookie_Whisperer said:
Ajayi is living on borrowed time with those knees of his. If I remember correctly, he has a bone-on-bone condition that most teams believed would severely shorten his career. 
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That's been the standard line since his draft, yet we heard nothing of that condition for the past two years while he broke out. Everybody just bought it as truth and assume it's still true.

 
So many safe RB's in the draft .  I think he goes in the 3rd round to the Steelers.  He will be a special teamer for this year.

 
massraider said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPRI_P4QJ6g

He's tall, but his cutting ability is that of a smaller guy.  I think it's because of his body type, he has shorter legs than most backs his size, thick legs and a bubble butt.  He's all torso.  For a tall guy, he's not a long strider.  
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A long torso and shorter legs is ideal for swimmers. I'm not sure it's a good thing for a RB. More weight and stress on his knees and ankles. 

 
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