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RB Joe Mixon, HOU (2 Viewers)

Andy Dufresne said:
I think the Lions have about the same number of RBs on their depth chart as any team. I don't find it particularly talented. Mixon would clearly be the best talent and the others would rotate in occasionally.
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I'd agree. Many Lions fans seem not ready to give up on Abdullah just yet. I would disagree that they are as deep as any other team. Zenner looked pretty good. Riddick obviously has an important role. and Washington was last year's C-Mike in the forums, but he's about as average as most backups in the league. Just look in the same division... MIN is not as deep at RB. Nor is GB. CHI is probably the best off at RB in the division.

I look at the Lions and I see 3/4 RBs that could be starters. None of them are complete backs however. Zenner is probably the closest thing. He really came on at the end of the year. I agree that Mixon would be the best RB in that stable, but when I brought up drafting a RB in the Lions thread a while back I was practically ridiculed for suggesting it. If Mixon were to be there for Detroit in the 2nd round I think they'd be fools to pass. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
I'd agree. Many Lions fans seem not ready to give up on Abdullah just yet. I would disagree that they are as deep as any other team. Zenner looked pretty good. Riddick obviously has an important role. and Washington was last year's C-Mike in the forums, but he's about as average as most backups in the league. Just look in the same division... MIN is not as deep at RB. Nor is GB. CHI is probably the best off at RB in the division.

I look at the Lions and I see 3/4 RBs that could be starters. None of them are complete backs however. Zenner is probably the closest thing. He really came on at the end of the year. I agree that Mixon would be the best RB in that stable, but when I brought up drafting a RB in the Lions thread a while back I was practically ridiculed for suggesting it. If Mixon were to be there for Detroit in the 2nd round I think they'd be fools to pass. 
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I have seen this a lot, do the Lions really need him? I have seen some fans split, but they have a few options and not the biggest need. 

 
Mavis said:
I have seen this a lot, do the Lions really need him? I have seen some fans split, but they have a few options and not the biggest need. 
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Exactly. I would agree with this however my point in the Lions thread was that Detroit, IMO, is a great RB away from being possibly the best team in the division. Their defense is very good. They needed to beef up their OL and they may have done enough in FA. Could use a little help on defense I guess. They lack that big play making ability on offense. I think Mixon gives them that. 

When you have a play maker available there round 2, I don't think you can pass him up unless you have David Johnson or someone like him at RB

 
Draft insider Tony Pauline says the Bengals are "seriously considering" Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon at the top of round two.

Josh Norris recently mocked Mixon to this exact spot at pick No. 41. Mixon already visited the Bengals, and the team has been known to take more risks in free agency and the draft in comparison to their counterparts. Why? Likely due to the overlap between the coaching staff and the scouting staff, along with the team's owner being involved in the process.

 
 
Source: Tony Pauline on Twitter 
Mar 30 - 10:01 AM
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Interesting landing spot - he could potentially usurp Hill and Bernard's dual roles since his skill set matches both.

Hill and Gio are both pretty good backs in their own-right though so the carry distribution may not be ideal for FF owners.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Interesting landing spot - he could potentially usurp Hill and Bernard's dual roles since his skill set matches both.

Hill and Gio are both pretty good backs in their own-right though so the carry distribution may not be ideal for FF owners.
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I saw on some fantasy site, dont remember where that someone suggested a draft day trade for Hill. Looking at that comment and thinking Mixon could fit in Cincinnati means maybe they do move Hill. 

 
Mavis said:
I saw on some fantasy site, dont remember where that someone suggested a draft day trade for Hill. Looking at that comment and thinking Mixon could fit in Cincinnati means maybe they do move Hill. 
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As a Hill owner, and the owner of the #4 rookie pick - I'd love both sides of that.

 
If Mixon is drafted at the top of the 2nd or late 1st (which I think is in play), please give me reasoning why he shouldn't be the 1st rb taken in rookie PPR drafts. He has the ideal combination of size, athleticism, college production, pedigree (5-star recruit and #1 rb prospect in the country), and talent that no other prospect in this class can match. He's 90-95% of David Johnson, except much younger as a prospect. 

Fournette has athleticism and scheme concerns, Cook is a bottom 10% athlete for nfl rbs, and McCaffery has a low BMI

*EDIT* not that it matters, but tape grinders love Mixon too

 
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He would certainly be considered. I think if I had the 1.1 I'd put Fournette, Cook, Mixon, Davis, and McCaffrey's names in a hat and pick one.

I'd hope for McCaffrey's name to come out but wouldn't be disappointed with any. 

 
Mavis said:
This seems a little unnecessary, We have gone from going after decimals to now I'm someone because of embarrassment. All I wanted to talk about was Joe Mixon and his ADP. People decided to make sure it wasn't domestic abuse, and then went on to attack decimals and now a tone and being an embarrassment. Where is the Mixon talk, do you even want that or are peopel here to argue BS? I hope this gets better. I'm actually fairly new to the football discussion boards. I find it striking that some can assume people are someone else rather easily, more than what 2.5 and numbers with decimals in ADP means. If I post here before I would know not to bring up decimals. :D  Telling someone explaining what others admittedly did not understand what I was saying? Maybe people who get upset at others over decimals should tone it down. I have done nothing offensive. I would suggest some people are just really angry on these sites much like social media. 
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Decimalistic abuse should never be tolerated.

You need to grow a thicker skin dude, no one "attacked" you about your format, we just didn't understand it due to the context it's generally used in around here. 

 
Could see a team trading into late 1st (30-32) and taking him. Assures them of getting him, since there seems to be much talk about him going in early 2nd. Plus it minimizes the time for the talking heads on ESPN and NFLN to debate him and rehash his assault. Since the Thur night coverage would be near its end. Whereas if take him early during Friday night coverage, there would be much more time-filling discussion. The less coverage, the happier his team will be.

 
Dawg Pound 69 said:
Could see a team trading into late 1st (30-32) and taking him. Assures them of getting him, since there seems to be much talk about him going in early 2nd. Plus it minimizes the time for the talking heads on ESPN and NFLN to debate him and rehash his assault. Since the Thur night coverage would be near its end. Whereas if take him early during Friday night coverage, there would be much more time-filling discussion. The less coverage, the happier his team will be.
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It will also allow for a 5th year option which is also nice if Mixon hits. 

 
Dawg Pound 69 said:
Could see a team trading into late 1st (30-32) and taking him. Assures them of getting him, since there seems to be much talk about him going in early 2nd. Plus it minimizes the time for the talking heads on ESPN and NFLN to debate him and rehash his assault. Since the Thur night coverage would be near its end. Whereas if take him early during Friday night coverage, there would be much more time-filling discussion. The less coverage, the happier his team will be.
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I disagree. If a team were to trade up to take Mixon, that might be an even worse PR nightmare. Trades in general are exciting and any team that drafts him is also going to draw attention. Add those two things together and now you'll have all the media attention. Not just on that draft day but entire time following. 

Ben & Jerry's said:
It will also allow for a 5th year option which is also nice if Mixon hits. 
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At 5th year option for an RB is pretty expensive, I think, in regards to RB market value. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
Exactly. I would agree with this however my point in the Lions thread was that Detroit, IMO, is a great RB away from being possibly the best team in the division. Their defense is very good. They needed to beef up their OL and they may have done enough in FA. Could use a little help on defense I guess. They lack that big play making ability on offense. I think Mixon gives them that. 

When you have a play maker available there round 2, I don't think you can pass him up unless you have David Johnson or someone like him at RB
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IMO, Detroit is a great QB away from being the best team in the division.

 
barackdhouse said:
If he went to the Saints and if we tentatively assume he becomes their feature back would this bump him to top 3 in rookie drafts? Would you take Mixon as a Saint at 1.01 vs Fournette as a Jet? For example. Cook as a Colt? I could see Mixon climbing FF rookie drafts for sure. 
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Please, keep him FAR away from Sean Payton...

 
King of the Jungle said:
Not too many QBs I would rather have over Stafford. QB is probably the least of Detroit's concerns.
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He said "great" QB. Stafford is a very good QB. 

Detroit is a Brees, Brady, Rodgers, even Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Big Ben away from being an excellent excellent team. 

Stafford is like Eli Manning IMO. Good enough to be your franchise QB. And that might even be an unfair comparison... I'd much rather have Eli. 

Yes, QB is the least of Detroits concerns. However his response was to my statement that Detroit is a great RB away from being an excellent team. I think both are equally true statements. Put Rodgers on Detroit and they are instantly the best team in the division, possibly conference. Put Zeke on Detroit and the same is true. I'm not saying Mixon is Zeke but he has franchise RB written all over him from a talent/potential aspect. 

 
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Dr. Brew said:
He said "great" QB. Stafford is a very good QB. 

Detroit is a Brees, Brady, Rodgers, even Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Big Ben away from being an excellent excellent team. 

Stafford is like Eli Manning IMO. Good enough to be your franchise QB. And that might even be an unfair comparison... I'd much rather have Eli. 

Yes, QB is the least of Detroits concerns. However his response was to my statement that Detroit is a great RB away from being an excellent team. I think both are equally true statements. Put Rodgers on Detroit and they are instantly the best team in the division, possibly conference. Put Zeke on Detroit and the same is true. I'm not saying Mixon is Zeke but he has franchise RB written all over him from a talent/potential aspect. 
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I stopped reading after you said you much rather have Eli. Agree to disagree.

 
King of the Jungle said:
I stopped reading after you said you much rather have Eli. Agree to disagree.
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Let me clarify. I don't mean Eli 2017 over Stafford 2017. I mean Eli at age 29 versus Stafford at age 29. Even with his Jekyll/Hyde scenario. Not that I'm sure that matters to you anyways. At age 29 Eli Manning had 2 Super Bowl wins under his belt. Stafford has zero. Maybe that's Detroit's problem... they're okay with a one and done playoff appearance. 

Regardless, my comparison of Eli to Stafford was meant to show how I felt like Stafford was, in general, a "meh" starting QB. Not amazing but not bottom half of the league. Will he win Detroit a superbowl? I don't know (Eli did). He took some strides last year. 

I don't know of many NFL QBs who are 51-61 in their career and would be considered safe and "the last thing on their teams mind"

Of Current NFL players, the only QBs with over 64 total games started (4 seasons) with losing records are: 
Matt Cassell
Matt Stafford
Jay Cutler
Sam Bradford
Ryan Tannehill 

What a great list to be a part of... 

Jay Cutler has a higher career winning percentage than Stafford. Ouch. 

 
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maf005 said:
If Mixon is drafted at the top of the 2nd or late 1st (which I think is in play), please give me reasoning why he shouldn't be the 1st rb taken in rookie PPR drafts. He has the ideal combination of size, athleticism, college production, pedigree (5-star recruit and #1 rb prospect in the country), and talent that no other prospect in this class can match. He's 90-95% of David Johnson, except much younger as a prospect. 

Fournette has athleticism and scheme concerns, Cook is a bottom 10% athlete for nfl rbs, and McCaffery has a low BMI

*EDIT* not that it matters, but tape grinders love Mixon too
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The only numbers I can find for his Pro Day came from Twitter. His Pro Day vs combine players with David Johnsons Combine vs this years class. Then arguments for the other RBs in this rookie draft over Mixon.

Mixon

40 (4.43): 4th

Vert (35): T-7th

Broad (118" or 9'10"): T-9th

3-cone (6.96): 5th

SS (4.25): 5th

David Johnson: 

40: 4.50 SEC, T-9th

BP: 25 REPS, 2nd

VERT: 41.5 INCH, 1st

BROAD: 127.0 INCH (10'7"),  T-3rd

3 CONE: 6.82 SEC, T-2nd

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.27 SEC, 5th

Combine numbers and pro day numbers aren't exactly apples to apples. Do what you want with the numbers and the DJ comp, just thought I would share. 

In response to the bolded part, it basically boils down to McCaffery, Cook, Fournette, Mixon for RB1 (I think this is all agreed). ***Note: These are not the whole discussion nor are they my 100% thoughts/rankings. You asked for the WHY so I thought I would just throw out ideas for the sake of discussion.***

Vs Fournette


 
 Fournette has the most upside as pure athlete. He does and anyone who watches even a highlight tapes has to agree. Dispite his weight Mixon is a tall and lean runner. When Mixon tries to run with power has basically just starts to fall and torpedos ahead. He doesn't recover his balance and falls down leaving yards on the field. Mixon has a career yards per catch of 13.8 and LF has 12.8. It's not like LF can't do anything in the passing game. And really he'd only have to a bit in the passing game if he is a special runner.
Vs Cook

Cook is the best technical runner in the draft. He pushes the edge on outside plays and finds the creases so well. He sets up blocks and slips behind wonderfully. Mixon has a nice slide step to get around traffic but he adjusts more than he sets up. Cook could be a monster in a zone scheme. At 5'10" 210lbs he should be able to handle a high workload plus GL and Pass Pro duties. Last year Cook had 14.8 yards per catch and Mixon had 14.5 so I think it's fair to say they are roughly even for PPR measures.
Vs McCaffery

In PPR is where McCaffery sees his most value. He could end up catching 80 passes (5 per game). Cole Beasley averages 10.5 yards per catch and Woodhead has a 9.4 average. If McCaffery can average 10 (the average of those 2) that's 800 yards receiving plus the catches. Even if he only gets 5 carries a game for a 4 ypc that's still another 320 yards on the season. That's using what I would say is very reasonable numbers. Basically Woodhead from a season ago. If you think he's a better ball carrier than Woodhead maybe he gets 10 carries a game (still not a crazy number). That's a 1440 yard season + 80 catches + TDs. And the cherry on top is that he doesn't need to need to be a feature back. Mixon would likely need a feature role for this and if he only had 50 catches he'd need 1740 scrimmage yards or 108.75 per game. For context Lesean McCoy has only went over 1740 once in his career and his career average is 101.5 per game and 3.3 catches per game (52.8 catches per season when averaged over 16 games).



 
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Dr. Brew said:
He said "great" QB. Stafford is a very good QB. 

Detroit is a Brees, Brady, Rodgers, even Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Big Ben away from being an excellent excellent team. 

Stafford is like Eli Manning IMO. Good enough to be your franchise QB. And that might even be an unfair comparison... I'd much rather have Eli. 

Yes, QB is the least of Detroits concerns. However his response was to my statement that Detroit is a great RB away from being an excellent team. I think both are equally true statements. Put Rodgers on Detroit and they are instantly the best team in the division, possibly conference. Put Zeke on Detroit and the same is true. I'm not saying Mixon is Zeke but he has franchise RB written all over him from a talent/potential aspect. 
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I think his point was that the great QB thing was obvious (for just about any team) but he was talking about something more realistic.

Lots of teams are a great QB away from being a great team.  Not many are a RB away.

 
Borden said:
The only numbers I can find for his Pro Day came from Twitter. His Pro Day vs combine players with David Johnsons Combine vs this years class. Then arguments for the other RBs in this rookie draft over Mixon.

Mixon

40 (4.43): 4th

Vert (35): T-7th

Broad (118" or 9'10"): T-9th

3-cone (6.96): 5th

SS (4.25): 5th

David Johnson: 

40: 4.50 SEC, T-9th

BP: 25 REPS, 2nd

VERT: 41.5 INCH, 1st

BROAD: 127.0 INCH (10'7"),  T-3rd

3 CONE: 6.82 SEC, T-2nd

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.27 SEC, 5th

Combine numbers and pro day numbers aren't exactly apples to apples. Do what you want with the numbers and the DJ comp, just thought I would share. 

In response to the bolded part, it basically boils down to McCaffery, Cook, Fournette, Mixon for RB1 (I think this is all agreed). ***Note: These are not the whole discussion nor are they my 100% thoughts/rankings. You asked for the WHY so I thought I would just throw out ideas for the sake of discussion.***

Vs Fournette


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 Fournette has the most upside as pure athlete. He does and anyone who watches even a highlight tapes has to agree. Dispite his weight Mixon is a tall and lean runner. When Mixon tries to run with power has basically just starts to fall and torpedos ahead. He doesn't recover his balance and falls down leaving yards on the field. Mixon has a career yards per catch of 13.8 and LF has 12.8. It's not like LF can't do anything in the passing game. And really he'd only have to a bit in the passing game if he is a special runner.
Vs Cook

Cook is the best technical runner in the draft. He pushes the edge on outside plays and finds the creases so well. He sets up blocks and slips behind wonderfully. Mixon has a nice slide step to get around traffic but he adjusts more than he sets up. Cook could be a monster in a zone scheme. At 5'10" 210lbs he should be able to handle a high workload plus GL and Pass Pro duties. Last year Cook had 14.8 yards per catch and Mixon had 14.5 so I think it's fair to say they are roughly even for PPR measures.
Vs McCaffery

In PPR is where McCaffery sees his most value. He could end up catching 80 passes (5 per game). Cole Beasley averages 10.5 yards per catch and Woodhead has a 9.4 average. If McCaffery can average 10 (the average of those 2) that's 800 yards receiving plus the catches. Even if he only gets 5 carries a game for a 4 ypc that's still another 320 yards on the season. That's using what I would say is very reasonable numbers. Basically Woodhead from a season ago. If you think he's a better ball carrier than Woodhead maybe he gets 10 carries a game (still not a crazy number). That's a 1440 yard season + 80 catches + TDs. And the cherry on top is that he doesn't need to need to be a feature back. Mixon would likely need a feature role for this and if he only had 50 catches he'd need 1740 scrimmage yards or 108.75 per game. For context Lesean McCoy has only went over 1740 once in his career and his career average is 101.5 per game and 3.3 catches per game (52.8 catches per season when averaged over 16 games).
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It's easy to forget how impressive/special of an athlete David Johnson is..

Thanks for the detailed reply. My point is that Mixon doesn't really have any glaring (possible) flaws that the other top backs in this class possess. 

 
RC94 said:
Does Mixon have a history of off-field issues or was the punch an isolated incident?
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He was suspending one game later on for tearing up a traffic ticket and throwing it in the officer's face.

Those two incidents are the only ones I'm aware of.

 
Dr. Brew said:
Let me clarify. I don't mean Eli 2017 over Stafford 2017. I mean Eli at age 29 versus Stafford at age 29. Even with his Jekyll/Hyde scenario. Not that I'm sure that matters to you anyways. At age 29 Eli Manning had 2 Super Bowl wins under his belt. Stafford has zero. Maybe that's Detroit's problem... they're okay with a one and done playoff appearance. 

Regardless, my comparison of Eli to Stafford was meant to show how I felt like Stafford was, in general, a "meh" starting QB. Not amazing but not bottom half of the league. Will he win Detroit a superbowl? I don't know (Eli did). He took some strides last year. 

I don't know of many NFL QBs who are 51-61 in their career and would be considered safe and "the last thing on their teams mind"

Of Current NFL players, the only QBs with over 64 total games started (4 seasons) with losing records are: 
Matt Cassell
Matt Stafford
Jay Cutler
Sam Bradford
Ryan Tannehill 

What a great list to be a part of... 

Jay Cutler has a higher career winning percentage than Stafford. Ouch. 
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Last I checked the NFL was a team sport. GTFO with all these team stats you keep throwing out when comparing Staff to Eli. Staff plays for one of (if not the worst) franchises. 

Does Calvin Johnson never winning a playoff game make him worse than Julian Edelman? SMH

 
Dr. Brew said:
I'd agree. Many Lions fans seem not ready to give up on Abdullah just yet. I would disagree that they are as deep as any other team. Zenner looked pretty good. Riddick obviously has an important role. and Washington was last year's C-Mike in the forums, but he's about as average as most backups in the league. Just look in the same division... MIN is not as deep at RB. Nor is GB. CHI is probably the best off at RB in the division.

I look at the Lions and I see 3/4 RBs that could be starters. None of them are complete backs however. Zenner is probably the closest thing. He really came on at the end of the year. I agree that Mixon would be the best RB in that stable, but when I brought up drafting a RB in the Lions thread a while back I was practically ridiculed for suggesting it. If Mixon were to be there for Detroit in the 2nd round I think they'd be fools to pass. 
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They would be foolish to pass. There isn't a RB on the Lions who should be starting.

 
Mavis said:
I saw on some fantasy site, dont remember where that someone suggested a draft day trade for Hill. Looking at that comment and thinking Mixon could fit in Cincinnati means maybe they do move Hill. 
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Move Hill? Like close to the grocery store he'll be working at?

 
Gopher State said:
Ted will never spend a top 3 pick on a rb, so I don't see mixon becoming a packer
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Do you mean  one of the Packers top three picks, as in first, second or third round picks? If so, I'd be careful about saying "never" - especially since it's happened fairly recently.

 
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon remains on the Chargers' draft board.
This wouldn't normally be news, but one of the themes of Mixon's draft coverage will be all the boards he isn't on. He's reportedly been removed from both Miami and New England's. "We just wanted to pick his brain and see where he was at football-wise because he wasn’t at the combine," coach Anthony Lynn said. "We know he can play football. He’s one of the best backs in the draft." Mixon is a Day 1 talent who will hope to go on Day 2. With his domestic violence baggage, it's possible he tumbles to Day 3.

Related: Chargers
 
Source: San Diego Union-Tribune 
Mar 30 - 2:58 PM
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The hype train has officially left the station. If he interviews well, he gets picked in the last third of night one now IMO. That's where the best teams pick, where strong a lockeroom, or at least the perception of one, combined with the "final piece" mentality could cause a GM to grab this guy earlier than consensus to make sure he gets him. Much of this is dependent on the interviews and obviously we won't really know how they are going until after the draft when staffs start spilling the beans.

 
Dr. Brew said:
Exactly. I would agree with this however my point in the Lions thread was that Detroit, IMO, is a great RB away from being possibly the best team in the division. Their defense is very good. They needed to beef up their OL and they may have done enough in FA. Could use a little help on defense I guess. They lack that big play making ability on offense. I think Mixon gives them that. 

When you have a play maker available there round 2, I don't think you can pass him up unless you have David Johnson or someone like him at RB
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It is??? Lions have as little defensive talent as any team in the league. 

 
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