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RB Joe Mixon, HOU (2 Viewers)
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Many had them as a coin flip in the leagues I was in some, Mixon first. Some Cook. All around the 14-18 range.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Dud of the year so far.
Yahoo had Mixon over Cook. If it was start of the season I would have said Mixon was the safer pick and Cook was the boom/bust.
2 weeks in, I believe he can make some points up though
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
is anyone selling? he was a mid to high 2nd rounder by all accounts.
In dynasty you might catch someone selling but I wouldn't unless it was for a top 10 price
You said he was a mid to high 2nd rounder. His OL has stunk it up, and consequently Mixon has paid the price (17 for 27 yards). And now you wouldn't sell him for less than a top 10 price? I am confused - how has his value increased over the first 2 games?
Wrigley
Footballguy
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Beginning to look like a Marshawn Lynch in Buffalo situation. Good player. Team not setting him up to succeed.
It hadn't really occurred to me before making this post, but he only has one year left on his deal after this season.
It could be very interesting to see how that unfolds. What type of offer will the Bengals make? Big $$$ or not? Will someone else step in with a big offer? Will he be a trade candidate in the offseason? It all seems possible.
It hadn't really occurred to me before making this post, but he only has one year left on his deal after this season.
It could be very interesting to see how that unfolds. What type of offer will the Bengals make? Big $$$ or not? Will someone else step in with a big offer? Will he be a trade candidate in the offseason? It all seems possible.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
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I tried to buy in a standard scoring keeper league. Offered Cooks and White, but got rejected.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Lol what am I wrong about? Yes, Cook and Mixon were close in ADP ... but Cook was drafted higher - everywhere. And if I had the choice between the 2? I’d have gone Cook ... as would any newb with a printed out draft sheet.
So am I wrong about that? (No) or are you debating whether or not you’re bad at drafting? (Yes)
Im sorry you’ve got a bad QB.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
That’s fine ... but I don’t follow FBG ADP.
Actually don’t follow any of the content here, I prefer the forums. That’s it.
I roll with fantasy pros for my ADP for the most part.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
OK
... I assume you had Mixon ranked ahead of Cook then?
If not, then it’s weird you’re taking a stand on this.
Look, I’ve been a huge Mixon believer. But it was evident that his offensive line was trash - the entire offseason. Sure, the addition of Zac Taylor (is that his name? Whomever the new coach is) have room for optimism.
But, from the sites I visit for ADP? Cook was always ranked higher.
To not completely derail this thread ... thoughts on Mixon this week?
Should be tough on the Cincy pass offense - any hope that They rely on the run game?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
While I think Cook and Mixon have been very close to the same value in terms of ADP for a long time, I do think there is a bit of recency bias in terms of their relative ADP which has changed in favor of Cook over the last month.
When looking at ADP in July or August I pretty consistently saw Mixon ranked ahead of Cook, although only be a few spots.
Too much time has passed for me to demonstrate this well, but yes Mixon did have higher ADP than Cook did and reasonably so considering Cooks injury history.
You can see that Cooks value began to spike late August here unfortunately these charts do not go back more than one month.
There is a thread and discussion about Cooks ADP in this forum which began around the time of this rise in ADP for Cook. It was about player 20 using whatever source of ADP you like and a couple spots below Mixon.
Fantasy Pros uses these sources for ADP
MyyFantasyLeague.com9/04
Fantasy Football Calculator9/04
ESPN9/04
NFL.com9/04
RTSports9/04
Fantrax
FBGs ADP uses the same sources so would be pretty much the same data.
When looking at ADP in July or August I pretty consistently saw Mixon ranked ahead of Cook, although only be a few spots.
Too much time has passed for me to demonstrate this well, but yes Mixon did have higher ADP than Cook did and reasonably so considering Cooks injury history.
You can see that Cooks value began to spike late August here unfortunately these charts do not go back more than one month.
There is a thread and discussion about Cooks ADP in this forum which began around the time of this rise in ADP for Cook. It was about player 20 using whatever source of ADP you like and a couple spots below Mixon.
Fantasy Pros uses these sources for ADP
MyyFantasyLeague.com9/04
Fantasy Football Calculator9/04
ESPN9/04
NFL.com9/04
RTSports9/04
Fantrax
FBGs ADP uses the same sources so would be pretty much the same data.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
As big of a bust as Mixon has been after TWO weeks hopefully the Cook owners aren't thumping their chests too much. Still a long way to go.
/signed - Mixon owner.
/signed - Mixon owner.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I don’t have a horse in this race but just for fun I looked up the 7 FFPC drafts I did (all of them superflex but I don’t see how that makes a difference).
Mixon was selected ahead of Cook in ALL 7. The average differential was just north of 9 spots. I’d say Mixon was substantially ranked higher.
Mixon was selected ahead of Cook in ALL 7. The average differential was just north of 9 spots. I’d say Mixon was substantially ranked higher.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The discussion was about pre-season though. And Mixon was ahead of Cook via just about every ADP list out there, and every draft I was in except the ones where I took Cook first (I am a noted Cook apologist and Mixon doubter).
Catbird
Footballguy
I think Cook was nearly universally preferred on what he would produce per game, but he dropped substantially in drafts because of injury fears. I don't think many people thought Mixon behind his OL would produce what Cook would behind his. That injury risk is still a concern. While Dalvin is probably outperforming what people expected and Mixon underperforming so far, if Cook gets hurt again and Mixon continues to stay healthy, the CIN OL would only have to get back to basic health to make Mixon the better pick. If you don't believe in some players being more likely than others to get hurt, of course, injury history doesn't matter (and you probably picked Cook way before you got to Mixon on your draft list).
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm starting to question whether I'm going to start this guy moving forward.
flapgreen
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
No chance behind that oline. Great buy low in Dyno imo. If Cincy can get healthy on the oline and get AJ back I think he will thrive. Unfortunately too much to overcome this season.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Got the Cards this week. Hopefully a rebound game and we can trade him off.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Has 60 yards at the end of the first DRIVE and then quiet rest of the game. There's just no good news here. Maybe If AJ comes back, it opens up a little but that's a dream at this point.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Summary: Good RB, bad team.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
One of the things i loved about him coming out was that he was a great receiver. I don’t get why they aren’t throwing him the ball.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't understand it either, he's such a natural receiver it makes no sense.
Finally moved on from him in a bigger deal to get OBJ this week. Couldn't be happier though I still think Mixon has the goods if the Bengals can get things figured out.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Where does the notion that he is this great receiver come from?
He has a career aDoT of 0.2 and has never caught a single pass 10 yards downfield. He racked up some nice receiving stats in college catching screens and dumpoffs against massively overmatched competition. It's not like he's ever been a guy lining up in the slot and catching balls downfield like McCaffrey or LeVeon.
He hasn't gotten a ton of chances in the open field this year but he hasn't done much with them when he has, which is kind of an amalgam of his entire NFL career. He lacks the vision/instincts and tackle breaking ability (slows down too much when juking/breaking tackles) to turn those into big plays, so those dumpoffs just don't translate into the nice gains like they did in college. And when he does get the ball with a massive amount of space he gets the 30 yards that is there but doesn't have the ability to turn it into a 70 yard TD like Cook and Barkley and McCaffrey do.
He's a solid, dependable NFL running back. But he's just simply not the uber talent that the fantasy community treats him as.
He has a career aDoT of 0.2 and has never caught a single pass 10 yards downfield. He racked up some nice receiving stats in college catching screens and dumpoffs against massively overmatched competition. It's not like he's ever been a guy lining up in the slot and catching balls downfield like McCaffrey or LeVeon.
He hasn't gotten a ton of chances in the open field this year but he hasn't done much with them when he has, which is kind of an amalgam of his entire NFL career. He lacks the vision/instincts and tackle breaking ability (slows down too much when juking/breaking tackles) to turn those into big plays, so those dumpoffs just don't translate into the nice gains like they did in college. And when he does get the ball with a massive amount of space he gets the 30 yards that is there but doesn't have the ability to turn it into a 70 yard TD like Cook and Barkley and McCaffrey do.
He's a solid, dependable NFL running back. But he's just simply not the uber talent that the fantasy community treats him as.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Is this guy cuttable at this point?
Don Hutson
Footballguy
I'm buying low. He is talented. The quality of an offensive line can change quickly and dramatically in unpredictable ways as a season progresses. And his physical attributes give him the potential to get 30+ carry games in December. He plays the Patriots in week 15 and the Dolphins in week 16. It'll probably be the latter game where he gets 30+ carries, not the former.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I doubt that will work. Better to have Mixon and most of the carries than Ekeler and a few of the carries.
bostonfred
Footballguy
There's a contingent that thinks that ekeler is the long term answer for the charges. Gordon sucking has ekeler worth a late first in their eyes.
Is Mixon worth more than a late first at this point? He's averaging 58 total yards per game and has one receiving touchdown this year to go with his zero rushing touchdowns. He's been pure garbage. He's 23 years old so he's not younger than the next crop of rookies. There's a deep crop of running backs coming in and any of them could put up the numbers Mixon already is.
