Man I would kill for the numbers Dj/Gurley were putting up in those bad years right now. DJ put up 1400 yards, 50 receptions, and 10 TDs that season and was a back-end fantasy RB1. Even Gurley's 1300yds, 43rec, 6 TD look like a pipe dream right now. Mixon is on pace to finish with 950 yards, 32 receptions, and 2 TDsSeems like he's going through similar issues as David Johnson did last year and Gurley three years ago: even the best RBs can't overcome terrible situations where the surrounding offense just can't generate much production.
Rather have Mixon in dynasty. Thinking beyond 2019. I know your deal was redraftIn redraft: Was offered Mixon/Jalen Richard/San Diego for James White/Jordan Howard/Jacksonville. It's 0.5 PPR.
I've kind of gone back and forth on it, but at the moment thinking I'm going to do it. If it were full ppr, no way.
Mixon is 1 year younger than Ekeler. Doubt this works. As a Mixon owner this would be an easy declineJust offered Ekeler for him in dynasty. Fingers crossed.
Feels like every RB thread I go into, somebody's claiming their guy has the worst O-line in football.Is this guy running behind the worst offensive line in the history of football?
It seems almost impossible that a guy with this much talent could have 10 attempts and 2 yards, no?Feels like every RB thread I go into, somebody's claiming their guy has the worst O-line in football.
Mixon
Gordon/Ekeler
Gurley
Montgomery
Michel (hyperbole obviously but their run blocking has not been good)
Bell
Dolphins obviously
Complaining about an "awful", "trash" O-Line is one of the favourite pastimes of fans of almost every team. The fact is hardly any of the O-Lines in the league have enough talent or depth.Feels like every RB thread I go into, somebody's claiming their guy has the worst O-line in football.
Mixon
Gordon/Ekeler
Gurley
Montgomery
Michel (hyperbole obviously but their run blocking has not been good)
Bell
Dolphins obviously
Define talent.It seems almost impossible that a guy with this much talent could have 10 attempts and 2 yards, no?
You seem to be discounting free agency.The complaints about the Cincy oline are warranted. They lost two starters before the season even began in their rookie OT to injury and their best OG unexpectedly retiring. Their LT has been out with a concussion plus suspended. Their 3rd OT and another starting OG have been out injured. That's a shattered oline.
Back to Mixon. What I'm more worried about long term is there's a real possibility Green moves on next year. The Bengals could also draft a QB high next year. Mixon could spend next season with the team breaking in a rookie QB with less skill position talent. Sure, he could be the focal point of the offense in that scenario but I'd fear teams would gear up to shut down Mixon and force the rookie QB to beat them.
Hmmmm, it's pretty gloomy. Bengals aren't active in free agency. Their biggest signing was Bobbie Hart last year, 3 years 21 million.You seem to be discounting free agency.
You may have Bridgewater, Winston, and possibly Flacco looking for other teams. Yes, The later two dont really look amazing, but they are serviceable and give you at least 6-8 games to get your rookie ready (more if possible). You also still have Dalton you could throw out there until the rookie is ready.
FA will allow CIN to bring in some good OL; they dont need to draft all of them.
They may already have the qb of the future on their roster... I don't believe that enough to get into a major debate about it, but it's certainly possible.
As far as AJG... IMO he moves on because he will ask for more money than it's worth to CIN. That hurts Mixon, I can agree, but again I think this offense needs a qb and OL and would be much better than what it is right now.
I'm not saying this offense looks great moving forward for 2020, but it's not as gloomy of a picture as your post paints
Definitely making a run at that title.Is this guy running behind the worst offensive line in the history of football?
It was declined, thank goodness. Might offer it again and have him throw in a pick.Just offered Ekeler for him in dynasty. Fingers crossed.
I had a PM discussion with another poster where he said something along the lines of:It was declined, thank goodness. Might offer it again and have him throw in a pick.
Completely agree with all of this. And I fully expect his value to turn, which is why I'd like to pounce on him before it does. I was expecting Ekeler's value to drop after Gordon's return, but that hasn't been the case - and if (when) Gordon leaves this offseason, if they don't draft another RB early, his value could actually remain quite high. Or at least that's how I'd like the current Mixon owner to see it.I had a PM discussion with another poster where he said something along the lines of:
"I wouldn't pay [what I had offered to me] for Mixon, but I also wouldnt trade him for that either."
I completely agree with this. His value is goofy. If you own him you arent selling him for what people are willing to pay as market value.
IMO Mixon has top 5 capability. He lacks the supporting cast. That can change on a dime with a FA signing, draft pick/s and returning healthy players in 2020.
Look how long it took for Derrick Henry owners to come down in price, although it took through midway of 2018 for his stock to fall, just prior to his breakout. I would predict an equal path for Mixon. His value may drop in 12 months to what his market is today.
Let's remember, he is only 23... and hes already shown flashes of what he can do. It's obvious his struggles are related to the supporting cast
Your offer gets declined so your next offer asks for even more??It was declined, thank goodness. Might offer it again and have him throw in a pick.
It was a joke. Though at some point the Mixon owner (who keep putting him in his lineup without any real other options) might get fed up.Your offer gets declined so your next offer asks for even more??
I wouldn't trade Mixon for Ekeler in a dynasty league, even if Gordon had his legs amputated.It was declined, thank goodness. Might offer it again and have him throw in a pick.
This is my stance too. cautiously optimistic...Mixon looks awful out there, even disregarding the team. Other elite RBs go to bad situations and you consistently get these runs where you're like "wow, I can't believe he got 2 yards on that play, he should've been tackled for a loss". Mixon has just been getting tackled for a loss, shrugging, and jogging back to the huddle.
On the plays where he does get the ball in space he doesn't try to make that extra cut or broken tackle to turn it into a huge play. Get the 15 yards, fall over.
I remain hopeful that it is an attitude thing. It reminds me a lot of Gurley in his bad year with Jeff Fisher. Things were so bad around him that he just looked disinterested in putting in the extra effort when it wasn't going to matter. That's how Mixon looks to me.
Obviously Gurley bounced back in a big way the next year when Fisher was finally kicked out of town, and Mixon has the skillset to do something similar. Hopefully Mixon can do the same althought I am less optimistic that there will be a coaching change there. Hopefully they can upgrade their line in big ways.
Which side has to add to it in dynasty?I’m thinking about offering Gurley for Mixon in a package deal kind of thing. Gurley worries me and I hate that his value died so quickly.
Not sure yet. Haha. Was hoping people here had some ideas.Which side has to add to it in dynasty?
I was thinking this before the season, but what leverage would he have to hold out coming off such a brutal season?LivingTheDream said:Mixon has 1 year remaining on his rookie deal.
It's not out of the realm of possibility he holds out in the offseason and is eventually traded.
Gio signing an extension was a real bummer. Was hoping he'd be out of the picture this offseason and Mixon could pick up those garbage time opportunities, of which there are many on this team.I was thinking this before the season, but what leverage would he have to hold out coming off such a brutal season?
It's a lost year. As a dynasty owner, I guess you just have to cross your fingers and hope for the best, as age is still on his side. On the other hand, RBs are generally shorter-term assets and personally I'm not that inclined to wait around for them to produce (more happy to do that with WRs). The disturbing thing to me is that they don't seem to be using him at all in the passing game. Gio is out there when they go to hurry up mode and, more generally, he's barely getting any targets. That limits his upside tremendously.
Love this post ...The Bengals are not getting the ball to Bernard much either. He has played 45% of the Bengals snaps while Mixon has played on 54%
Mixon has 105 opportunities on 213 offensive snaps this is 49% of the time he is on the field.
Bernard has 50 opportunities on 178 offensive snaps this is 28% of the time he is on the field.
I dont know what to do. I have Mixon this year too.Love this post ...
Except you should add in your personal thoughts going forward.
we wanna know what to do with this guy. Redraft and Dynasty.
Not sure. I think I’d lean on the side of them keeping Mixon (cheap, supposed stud RB) and build up that offensive line.Does anyone think CIN moves on voluntarily in a trade this offseason?
They have Tray Williams and Rodney Anderson, who yes looks to he done for but stranger things have happened. They have a lot of holes and may find that Mixon holds more value as a trade peice than to keep him around for 2020. Idk maybe it's wishful thinking... He may not hold much value with how hes been doing. Heres hoping he holds out and TB comes knocking
I really like Mixon still, but I agree it's a bit disappointing to say the least. There was hype about how dynamic the offense could be this year. The OL was the biggest hit I think. A last second retirement of their best OL and the rookie getting hurt. that's 40% of the OL...Not sure. I think I’d lean on the side of them keeping Mixon (cheap, supposed stud RB) and build up that offensive line.
Maybe I’m high, but I swear there was tons of hype around this offense coming into the season. Yes we all knew/tonight the OLine was going to be an issue - but we were blinded by the coaching change. What’s his face coming from the McVay tree ... blah blah blah great things for Mixon.
It’s still always going to be the Bengals. So I wouldn’t expect any trades. Best we can hope for is an influx of offensive line help, perhaps a top QB in the draft.
sucks right now. But I’m still a big Mixon believer going forward. Not this year. Excellent buy low dynasty buy IMO
He is on a cheap deal and likely has very little trade value right now, so I think a trade would be unlikely.Does anyone think CIN moves on voluntarily in a trade this offseason?
They have Tray Williams and Rodney Anderson, who yes looks to he done for but stranger things have happened. They have a lot of holes and may find that Mixon holds more value as a trade peice than to keep him around for 2020. Idk maybe it's wishful thinking... He may not hold much value with how hes been doing. Heres hoping he holds out and TB comes knocking
He could also pull a Ramsey or Antonio Brown and get himself off the Bengals. Unhappy players are taking drastic measures nowadays.I was thinking this before the season, but what leverage would he have to hold out coming off such a brutal season?
It's a lost year. As a dynasty owner, I guess you just have to cross your fingers and hope for the best, as age is still on his side. On the other hand, RBs are generally shorter-term assets and personally I'm not that inclined to wait around for them to produce (more happy to do that with WRs). The disturbing thing to me is that they don't seem to be using him at all in the passing game. Gio is out there when they go to hurry up mode and, more generally, he's barely getting any targets. That limits his upside tremendously.
Wish Marvin Lewis was back. This young clown has no HC ability.johnnyboy8102 said:This whole situation is a terrible cocktail for Mixon’s production.
1. Offensive line is terrible (as others have stated)
2. Taylor has no creatively with using either RB. Never see either in space. Mixon gets a bunch of carries up the gut and 1 target every week.
3. Not that it has helped Gio but Mixon doesn’t play in the hurry up or in garbage time.
Throw in that Dalton has 3 rushing TDs and you can see how this has gone downhill.
In redraft is Mixon worth keeping on my bench? I can't imagine ever starting him at this point. He really doesn't have a favorable match up any time soon. It really sucks I don't feel like the Bengals will improve much this season.
In a short bench redraft (start two rbs, one on the bench mandated). I am dropping him this week with one of my other two rbs on bye. League also requires at least 50 yards to get any yardage points. Just can't risk a goose egg. And I am not at all hopeful that things will get better within the next 6 to 7 weeks (when playoffs start). Though I am holding in dynasty (though much more willing to trade than before and perhaps for 90 cents on the dollar now), in short-bench redraft, it is "Bye, bye, Dixon" time.Is he redraft droppable at this point? Short benches it’s either Tevin Coleman, Christian Kirk or Mixon to find a QB for Lamar’s bye.
This is a situation where saying Cincinnati has a “bad” offensive line is both true and potentially deceiving all at the same time.FreeBaGeL said:Mixon looks awful out there, even disregarding the team. Other elite RBs go to bad situations and you consistently get these runs where you're like "wow, I can't believe he got 2 yards on that play, he should've been tackled for a loss". Mixon has just been getting tackled for a loss, shrugging, and jogging back to the huddle.
On the plays where he does get the ball in space he doesn't try to make that extra cut or broken tackle to turn it into a huge play. Get the 15 yards, fall over.
I remain hopeful that it is an attitude thing. It reminds me a lot of Gurley in his bad year with Jeff Fisher. Things were so bad around him that he just looked disinterested in putting in the extra effort when it wasn't going to matter. That's how Mixon looks to me.
Obviously Gurley bounced back in a big way the next year when Fisher was finally kicked out of town, and Mixon has the skillset to do something similar. Hopefully Mixon can do the same althought I am less optimistic that there will be a coaching change there. Hopefully they can upgrade their line in big ways.
I'll take "phrases I thought I would never see" for $500, Alex...Wish Marvin Lewis was back.
Oh, I'm sorry, so close. The correct answer was "phrases I thought I would never agree with". Now let's see how much you risked...Arodin said:I'll take "phrases I thought I would never see" for $500, Alex...