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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (1 Viewer)

Traded away D. Henry for Taylor And Ju-Ju in a dynasty league where I felt I was likely 1 year away. Hoping for continued improvement from Taylor and that schedule is nice down the stretch! 

 
ffmail4me said:
Traded away D. Henry for Taylor And Ju-Ju in a dynasty league where I felt I was likely 1 year away. Hoping for continued improvement from Taylor and that schedule is nice down the stretch! 
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Gutsy call on both Taylor and JuJu.  Hope it works out for you!!

 
Getting antsy with J Robinson and Jacksonville as a whole. May throw him out to the Taylor owner. Dumb move?

 
Payne said:
Getting antsy with J Robinson and Jacksonville as a whole. May throw him out to the Taylor owner. Dumb move?
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If you threw it to me, I would want to see:

- how Taylor looks this week

- what is happening at the JAX QB position

 
Payne said:
But from my perspective, who would you want moving forward? 
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I’d say it’s a toss up.  Those two points above are why will decide it for me. I see Taylor slightly on the rise and Robinson slightly on the decline, as it stands now. 

 
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In redraft Would any Taylor owners swap for Zeke straight up in a trade? 

The thinking is that Taylor is gradually improving every week and things look good going forward.

Zeke has obviously outproduced Taylor up to now but just had his lowest two weeks in a row EVER. 

 
SanDawg said:
Have them both but you would think they would give him more of a chance than this to succeed.  Not sure I can play Wilkins over him in any given week and feel good about it.
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I was being sarcastic. Frustrating to watch his usage. 

 
What happened??

Anyone watch the game. Hardly played the 2nd half? 1 touch.

Highly ranked this week, had a trade offer for him and others including Zeke. Killing myself for not taking it now!

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I have no problem with that. I’m curious why he wasn’t being used in the RZ all day
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he had a carry on 2nd & goal from the 1, got stuffed (Wilkins scored next play)

also had a target on 2nd & goal from the 2 but it was incomplete (direct snap to the TE Burton next play for the TD)

they gave him chances

he was ineffective all day and Wilkins was ballin', went with the hot hand

:shrug:

don't really think this game changes his outlook going forward but def a disappointing day for anyone who started him

 
BobbyLayne said:
he had a carry on 2nd & goal from the 1, got stuffed (Wilkins scored next play)

also had a target on 2nd & goal from the 2 but it was incomplete (direct snap to the TE Burton next play for the TD)

they gave him chances

he was ineffective all day and Wilkins was ballin', went with the hot hand

:shrug:

don't really think this game changes his outlook going forward but def a disappointing day for anyone who started him
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My comment was directed toward when they took him of the field on 2nd down inside the 5 and had a TE take the snap and run it in 

 
BobbyLayne said:
he had a carry on 2nd & goal from the 1, got stuffed (Wilkins scored next play)

also had a target on 2nd & goal from the 2 but it was incomplete (direct snap to the TE Burton next play for the TD)

they gave him chances

he was ineffective all day and Wilkins was ballin', went with the hot hand

:shrug:

don't really think this game changes his outlook going forward but def a disappointing day for anyone who started him
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Could not disagree more. You can't argue with the results, but a player like this cannot be taken in and out every other play. 

And I absolutely think it changes his outlook. He wasn't used well at all in this game. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
he had a carry on 2nd & goal from the 1, got stuffed (Wilkins scored next play)

also had a target on 2nd & goal from the 2 but it was incomplete (direct snap to the TE Burton next play for the TD)

they gave him chances

he was ineffective all day and Wilkins was ballin', went with the hot hand

:shrug:

don't really think this game changes his outlook going forward but def a disappointing day for anyone who started him
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He fell over before the ball was thrown on the target. Looked like Rivers was throwing the ball away

 
They used Wilkins a lot today, which was not the norm.  I don't expect all Taylor snaps, but when Wilkins rushes a lot I don't agree with it.  

 
BobbyLayne said:
your comment was "he wasn’t being used in the RZ all day" which was not quite the case

frustrating day, I get it dude
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Meh, you said he had “a” run and “a” target while the other 2 backs and a TE scored 4 tds lol so....yeah
 

Would’ve lost my matchup where I have him either way. Faced Cook and Mahomes

Still dumb 

 
Jonathan Taylor had 11 carries for 22 yards and caught 2-of-3 targets for nine yards in Week 8 against the Lions.

Taylor started and was the lead back in the first quarter before ceding touches to Jordan Wilkins and Nyheim Hines. He barely saw the field in the second half with Wilkins taking over early-down work. Wilkins (20/89/1) set career highs while Hines was the Colts' leading receiver and scored a pair of touchdowns. It's a concern for Taylor's moving-forward outlook. Taylor should continue to start, but this is looking like a hot-hand backfield.

- Rotoworld
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Cowboysfan8 said:
Meh, you said he had “a” run and “a” target while the other 2 backs and a TE scored 4 tds lol so....yeah
 

Would’ve lost my matchup where I have him either way. Faced Cook and Mahomes

Still dumb 
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you guys might want to think about CEH owners feel today

lot of people sunk 1st round draft capital into that situation

most people got JT late third to mid fourth, and he's been an excellent RB2 5 out of 7 weeks

Hines and Wilkins barely hit 200 pounds

Taylor's role is one of the most secure anywhere in the league outside backs who were taken in the first

 
Everything works vs the lions, I dunno why the didn’t roll Taylor out as the clock killer to get him some consistency and prepped for future games 

 
I'll take the blame Taylor owners. I traded away stud D. Henry for Taylor and JuJu and this is what I get for it.  :censored:

 
I think we underestimated the RBBC being deployed in Indy.  Taylor is the starter but is not guaranteed going to get the majority of touches.  Don’t know why.   Maybe he’s being outplayed.   Maybe this is a true in-game hot hand approach that will kill his value.   

 
I know it's the way it is these days, but I hate these full on committees. The Rams is the other one that comes to mind - when you give a guy a couple of carries, then pull him out and put someone else in, then back and forth etc, no one gets into a rhythm. I'm not even sure it's that great for the team (as opposed to fantasy).

 
RushHour said:
I know it's the way it is these days, but I hate these full on committees. The Rams is the other one that comes to mind - when you give a guy a couple of carries, then pull him out and put someone else in, then back and forth etc, no one gets into a rhythm. I'm not even sure it's that great for the team (as opposed to fantasy).
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:yes:

 
BobbyLayne said:
you guys might want to think about CEH owners feel today

lot of people sunk 1st round draft capital into that situation

most people got JT late third to mid fourth, and he's been an excellent RB2 5 out of 7 weeks

Hines and Wilkins barely hit 200 pounds

Taylor's role is one of the most secure anywhere in the league outside backs who were taken in the first
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You say this as if it's a good thing.

 
I only saw the game through RZ so not a very good measure, but it's as if the coaches are hazing him in the red zone. One goal line carry into the teeth of the defense. That's enough, Jonathan. You're out. We're giving this TD to Trey Burton. On a run to the edge. Hey Jonathan, run an obvious flat route to the short side of the field and stand still. Oh, the LB knocked you on your ###? Here you go, we're throwing the ball at your prone body. 

 
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DAG said:
I only saw the game through RZ so not a very good measure, but it's as if the coaches are hazing him in the red zone. One goal line carry into the teeth of the defense. That's enough, Jonathan. You're out. We're giving this TD to Trey Burton. On a run to the edge. Hey Jonathan, run an obvious flat route to the short side of the field and stand still. Oh, the LB knocked you on your ###? Here you go, we're throwing the ball at your prone body. 
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This is kind of what I'm saying. Are the Colts trying to give him some tough love? Make him earn his stripes? 

He appears to be getting the vanilla plays that give him smaller chance to succeed. It's weird. 

I believe he can flourish if they gave him 20 carries. 

 
Payne said:
This is kind of what I'm saying. Are the Colts trying to give him some tough love? Make him earn his stripes? 

He appears to be getting the vanilla plays that give him smaller chance to succeed. It's weird. 

I believe he can flourish if they gave him 20 carries. 
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The talent may be there but the opportunity is not.   That is a problem for FF owners, but not necessarily for the Colts if they can win using their system.   

 
seems like a good buy low candidate rn (along with Swift)

weeks like this are awesome from a buyers perspective: expectations are high but game flow went a different way, the overall situation hasn’t changed, owner is frustrated & needs to WIN NOW to make the playoffs or secure a bye.

dream scenario to fleece your league mates.

 
This is not this first time whispers of "other backs looked better" have been said here. Now Yahoo!/PFT/Rotoworld are starting to echo that sentiment too. Definitely worrisome for his potential this season.

 
BobbyLayne said:
seems like a good buy low candidate rn (along with Swift)

weeks like this are awesome from a buyers perspective: expectations are high but game flow went a different way, the overall situation hasn’t changed, owner is frustrated & needs to WIN NOW to make the playoffs or secure a bye.

dream scenario to fleece your league mates.
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Sincerely trying to see where your optimism is coming from. This game was awful for Taylor owners, really don't see how anyone can disagree. I imagine even those who were saying "it's not a large enough sample size" earlier this year would be forced to agree at this point.

What did game flow have to do with it? It's not like they fell behind and didn't run the ball, they jumped ahead and ran the ball a ton. Unfortunately instead of running it with him they let the guy who had 2 carries for zero yards in the previous 2 games run it 20 times.

This was a smash match up against a bad run D in a game that lined up perfectly for a RB to dominate and he was skunked. The reason he isn't a buy low is precisely because the overall situation hasn't changed, it's much closer to a nightmare than a dream IMO.

 
Just pulled up the game log. Taylor’s opportunities came as follows:

Down and distance:

1st & 10 (8)

2nd and short (1)

3rd and short (1)

3rd and mid (2)

4th and short (1)

By Quarter:

1st quarter (8)

2nd quarter (4)

3rd quarter (0)

4th quarter (1)

 
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humpback said:
Sincerely trying to see where your optimism is coming from. This game was awful for Taylor owners, really don't see how anyone can disagree. I imagine even those who were saying "it's not a large enough sample size" earlier this year would be forced to agree at this point.

What did game flow have to do with it? It's not like they fell behind and didn't run the ball, they jumped ahead and ran the ball a ton. Unfortunately instead of running it with him they let the guy who had 2 carries for zero yards in the previous 2 games run it 20 times.

This was a smash match up against a bad run D in a game that lined up perfectly for a RB to dominate and he was skunked. The reason he isn't a buy low is precisely because the overall situation hasn't changed, it's much closer to a nightmare than a dream IMO.
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I'm hoping the Taylor owner in my league is thinking like you. Appreciate the insight.

You put Hines and Wilkins on the scale and they don't get to 400. Taylor is 220 and has more talent. In a couple games this year, they were behind - game script that should favor Hines - but Taylor was the 3 down back, getting targets, trusted in pass pro. In games where they were looking to salt it away, we've had one (1) where Wilkins was the preferred back and more effective. Is that an anomaly or a trend? I guess differing opinions on that are why it's a fun hobby. 

 
Manster said:
So in redraft what are y'all thinkin?  
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I think you'd be fortunate to get a WR2 for him, but I'd ask for more.  Do it before trade value charts come out, as I anticipate the rest of the world is about to come around on what a few of us have already been saying.

 
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I think you'd be fortunate to get a WR2 for him, but I'd ask for more.  Do it before trade value charts come out, as I anticipate the rest of the world is about to come around on what a few of us have already been saying.
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WR2 seems right.  Taylor needs one of the other RBs in the committee to be injured before he can be trusted.  Not sure how he is any more than a flex at this point.  

 
deep league (& I have injuries)  -- unless I make a trade I have little else & forced to start him weekly as my RB2 ......  he needs to run more aggressive & with more power

 
BobbyLayne said:
I'm hoping the Taylor owner in my league is thinking like you. Appreciate the insight.

You put Hines and Wilkins on the scale and they don't get to 400. Taylor is 220 and has more talent. In a couple games this year, they were behind - game script that should favor Hines - but Taylor was the 3 down back, getting targets, trusted in pass pro. In games where they were looking to salt it away, we've had one (1) where Wilkins was the preferred back and more effective. Is that an anomaly or a trend? I guess differing opinions on that are why it's a fun hobby. 
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And I'm hoping the non-Taylor owners in my league are thinking like you. I mean, anyone is a buy low if it's low enough, but if someone is willing to give anything close to what his value was after week 2 it's an auto-accept.

The weight thing seems silly- for starters, it's incorrect (I see Wilkins listed at 216 lbs), but really, who cares? There are plenty of good RBs at lower weights and plenty of busts at higher weights. If they were 185 lbs. I would agree but not at 200+.

Have you read this thread? It's not one game at all, that's the problem. He's now received less than half of the RB touches and snaps in more than half of their games. That certainly seems more like a trend than an anomaly to me.

 
Dynasty - I'm hoping someone thinks they're "buying low" and offers me something of value.

However, I'm not looking to trade him away for pennies on the dollar.

IOW...He's a hold unless you're offered something good.

 
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