RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (5 Viewers)

[menobrown]

Seems most of the GB rumors were vastly overstated if not completely made up too. Weird.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...-for-jonathan-taylor-report-says/70717787007/

I did not see anything in that article refuting the reports?

Packers offered AJ Dillon and a 3rd. Irsay countered with Dillon/Watson/1st

Gutekunst said a potential trade with the Colts would not have included Dillon, even if it would create a crowded backfield in the Packers offense.

“AJ is part of this team,” Gutekunst said, “and he was going to be regardless.”

Sorry, truly, not seeing your point.

I have zero doubt GB was, and will continue, to be involved in a trade for him. Whether or not Dillon was involved I don't know, but using the term "regardless" sure makes me think he was.

You can choose to not believe him if you want, but IMO he very clearly refuted the reports that they offered Dillon to the Colts. "Regardless" certainly seems to be referring to even if they were interested in Taylor (IMO they were), Dillon wasn't going to be traded.

You are probably right I would not be able to believe him if he said it but just the same I did not see him say it so I will have to respectfully disagree on the very clear part.

 

[JohnnyU]

Seems most of the GB rumors were vastly overstated if not completely made up too. Weird.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...-for-jonathan-taylor-report-says/70717787007/

I did not see anything in that article refuting the reports?

Packers offered AJ Dillon and a 3rd. Irsay countered with Dillon/Watson/1st

Gutekunst said a potential trade with the Colts would not have included Dillon, even if it would create a crowded backfield in the Packers offense.

“AJ is part of this team,” Gutekunst said, “and he was going to be regardless.”

Sorry, truly, not seeing your point.

I have zero doubt GB was, and will continue, to be involved in a trade for him. Whether or not Dillon was involved I don't know, but using the term "regardless" sure makes me think he was.

I also don't think it's a stretch to suggest that a team putting a player on the trade table behind closed doors would also publicly say something like Gutekunst said. What's the alternative, "yeah, we were definitely talking about getting rid of him." That seems like the kind of morale boosting comment Irsay would make, not someone who actually know how to manage people.

Absolutely correct IMO and probably why they were striving to remain the "mystery team".

Also, this is just me and I'm ok if no one else sees it this way, but I thought Gutenkunst kind of slipped in his response when he used the word "regardless". Because when I hear that word it makes me think in terms of "regardless of what"?

Beat writer for the Packers with Athletic wrote an article that dropped earlier today and suggested GB was still going to be involved for him and that it would nnot be concievable to keep all 3 RB's if they are successful. Fairly easy conclusion. I thought his article was trying to insinuate that Jones and/or Dillon did not want to speak to the media right now. Said something along the lines of third string RB Wilson spoke but not the other two. Might be some hurt feelings and Gutenkust is trying to smooth things over.

Could be right but I think you're reading too far with that word. I think he truly was just saying that Dillon wasn't going to be traded, even if Indy wanted him included. So he was probably on the table in terms of being discussed, but it was coming from Indy. Or at least I think that is what he was trying to say. Bottom line it looks like yes they were involved. And it raises more questions in my mind about Aaron Jones than it does about Dillon. Not in terms of moving him per se but in terms of how they see their backfield. I've been avoiding Jones all offseason for that reason.

We won't know and can only speculate but I sure can't wrap my head around wanting to trade for Taylor but saying that Dillon was off limits.

I personally think you are concerned about the wrong RB, but to be sure JT mess with Jones value. I think the pre-season usage was telling. As in Jones got the "do not touch" we are saving you for the season treatment.

I would expect the Colts to want Dillon. I wouldn’t expect any team dealing a young RB to want Aaron Jones in return.

ETA: as a Dillon shareholder across all 3 dynasty leagues, I’m really hoping this happens.

I wouldn't think good young players are cheap, so I could see Dillon being part of a package for Taylor. I'm not saying that was the case however. Perhaps GB was lowballing the Colts.

 

[zoonation]

Redraft, what round do you roll the dice? Maybe we can get just a tiny taste of fantasy talk in this thread.

My redraft is on Saturday and I have no earthly idea.

I am encouraged he may fall because it may allow me to wait a bit more and focus on QB (SF league) & WRs early.

I think I view JT & Kamara similarly ATM.

Admittedly I'm probably the low man on Kamara, and I'm a bit of a risk taker, but I like Taylor late round 5, I have Kamara more like early round 8.

Taylor is potentially a workhorse playing for a contract when he gets back, the centerpiece of the offense. Kamara is a guy in a 3-way RBBC in my eyes.

I have no idea if I'll end up with Taylor (probably not, as I plan to start RB-RB unless a WR/Kelce falls a bit) but I'm 99.9% sure I won't have Kamara. I'll take a guy like James Cook over either of them.

So you think Kamara is washed? Because he is coming back to a starting role in an offense that should put up some points.

 

[zoonation]

Kamara is a guy in a 3-way RBBC in my eyes.

Three way??? You have a very low opinion of Kamara's talent if you think Jamaal Williams is a threat.

The rookie is limited in the passing game, inexperienced at the very least, and will probably be competing with Jamaal for touches.

I think Jamaal is a huge threat to take GL work, and be a closer for them. I think Miller could be a major threat between the 20's. Personally, I think Kamara is a 3rd down RB who could see maybe as few as 10 carries a week. The RB isn't anywhere near as involved in the passing game sans Payton/Brees. I do also have a low opinion of Kamara's game, I think he's a solid RB, and that's about it, he hasn't been special since 2020.

I don't have Kamara in my top-30 RBs. I have Taylor in the 20-25 range, with the caveat that I would want 2 RBs before I took him.

No chance Kamara is in a 3 way committee. None.

 

[humpback]

Seems most of the GB rumors were vastly overstated if not completely made up too. Weird.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...-for-jonathan-taylor-report-says/70717787007/

I did not see anything in that article refuting the reports?

Packers offered AJ Dillon and a 3rd. Irsay countered with Dillon/Watson/1st

Gutekunst said a potential trade with the Colts would not have included Dillon, even if it would create a crowded backfield in the Packers offense.

“AJ is part of this team,” Gutekunst said, “and he was going to be regardless.”

Sorry, truly, not seeing your point.

I have zero doubt GB was, and will continue, to be involved in a trade for him. Whether or not Dillon was involved I don't know, but using the term "regardless" sure makes me think he was.

You can choose to not believe him if you want, but IMO he very clearly refuted the reports that they offered Dillon to the Colts. "Regardless" certainly seems to be referring to even if they were interested in Taylor (IMO they were), Dillon wasn't going to be traded.

You are probably right I would not be able to believe him if he said it but just the same I did not see him say it so I will have to respectfully disagree on the very clear part.

He was asked about their interest in Taylor. He responded with the standard "I can't talk about players on other teams", etc. Then they asked him about Dillon and the awkwardness of being mentioned as part of the discussions, and his response started with the quote above, "AJ's a part of this team, and he was going to be, regardless."

Again, he could be lying through his teeth, but it seems clear to me. What do you think he meant by "regardless"? I honestly can't think of anything else it could have been. Regardless of the rumors, regardless of whether we talked to the Colts about Taylor, regardless of whether they asked about him, Dillon was going to be a part of this team. No?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Again, he could be lying through his teeth

It’s not that he’s “lying through his teeth” it’s just that he has no incentive to answer that question truthfully since it would alienate one of his players that are now still on the team.

You’re a smart guy, so I’m sure you realize that but you seem more interested in trying to make people feel like fools for discussing something that was “out there” and then discussed in here. Honestly right now it’s kind of having the opposite effect.

I don’t know for sure if Dillon was involved in GB’s offer or not - but it sure makes sense that he was - and I wouldn’t expect Guternhurst to admit that he was since the deal fell through and Dillon is still on the team. I wouldn’t call him a liar on it either since it’s 100% understandable why he’d have to answer that way.

 

[eighsse2]

Personally I am all about avoidnig N.Harris at all costs. He is what he he is, he will never be anything other than what he's already shown us. You get what you pay for.

1600+ yfs, 10 TD, and 70+ rec two years ago. What more does he need to show? Well I guess efficiency could be a lot better. But "what he is" seems to be a workhorse so far.

That Warren won’t be the beneficiary of those 70 receptions while also taking some between the tackles touches?

To date he hasn’t shown that - it’s the opposite. And Warren has been statistically better.

True, Harris did lose 70 opportunities versus his rookie year.

 

[menobrown]

Seems most of the GB rumors were vastly overstated if not completely made up too. Weird.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...-for-jonathan-taylor-report-says/70717787007/

I did not see anything in that article refuting the reports?

Packers offered AJ Dillon and a 3rd. Irsay countered with Dillon/Watson/1st

Gutekunst said a potential trade with the Colts would not have included Dillon, even if it would create a crowded backfield in the Packers offense.

“AJ is part of this team,” Gutekunst said, “and he was going to be regardless.”

Sorry, truly, not seeing your point.

I have zero doubt GB was, and will continue, to be involved in a trade for him. Whether or not Dillon was involved I don't know, but using the term "regardless" sure makes me think he was.

You can choose to not believe him if you want, but IMO he very clearly refuted the reports that they offered Dillon to the Colts. "Regardless" certainly seems to be referring to even if they were interested in Taylor (IMO they were), Dillon wasn't going to be traded.

You are probably right I would not be able to believe him if he said it but just the same I did not see him say it so I will have to respectfully disagree on the very clear part.

He was asked about their interest in Taylor. He responded with the standard "I can't talk about players on other teams", etc. Then they asked him about Dillon and the awkwardness of being mentioned as part of the discussions, and his response started with the quote above, "AJ's a part of this team, and he was going to be, regardless."

Again, he could be lying through his teeth, but it seems clear to me. What do you think he meant by "regardless"? I honestly can't think of anything else it could have been. Regardless of the rumors, regardless of whether we talked to the Colts about Taylor, regardless of whether they asked about him, Dillon was going to be a part of this team. No?

Don't want to beat this to death but that is not him specifying that Dillon was not part of any trade talks. That's not even lying to me if Dillon was involved because he never said he was not.

 

[pfireman]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Well, he has to play at least 6 games this year or he loses a year towards free agency and will still be on the last year of his rookie deal next year. The league has shown him and his agent that they don't deem him worth a 1st round draft pick so now they go back to the Colts and say, can you give us any incentive based money to up the 4.5 million he's due to make this year and I think the Colts do that if he shows he's willing to play and can play. JT has to be able to play or no team is going to give him more money.

 

[humpback]

Don't want to beat this to death but that is not him specifying that Dillon was not part of any trade talks. That's not even lying to me if Dillon was involved because he never said he was not.

What do you think he meant by "regardless"?

 

[pfireman]

I also don't think the Colts just have to trade him because the relationship is rocky. Look at Lamar Jackson and that situation in the offseason and it rectified itself. The Colts have shown they value JT or they would have just given him away but they aren't stupid. JT is a huge start when he is 100% and playing. The Colts won 4 games last year and JT won 2 of them for them, lol. This has all come down to the fact that JT says he's hurt and has decided to play that card with his agents advice. I've seen him up close and he doesn't look healthy so I tend to believe him but no team is going to give huge money to a player that is hurt until they can play again. That's the business side that us fans and fantasy players don't care about, lol.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I also don't think the Colts just have to trade him because the relationship is rocky.

exactly - it's not like Taylor has to have any kind of relationship with Irsay or even Ballard - if he's active it will be the coaching staff and his teammates that will be looking for contributions from him. He just needs to put his head down, have a great season and either get his new deal or at worst be "forced" to take $12MM for one season under the tag.

 

[LawFitz]

But I do absolutely discount a 28 year old RB, with 1,500 NFL touches, coming off injuries more than a 24 year old RB with 860 NFL touches.

Kamara is healthy. Taylor is not.

Kamara is happy. Taylor is not.

And how many touches did each have in college?

Kamara had 284. Taylor had 968.

 

[eighsse2]

But I do absolutely discount a 28 year old RB, with 1,500 NFL touches, coming off injuries more than a 24 year old RB with 860 NFL touches.

Kamara is healthy. Taylor is not.

Kamara is happy. Taylor is not.

And how many touches did each have in college?

Kamara had 284. Taylor had 968.

I also wonder if Kamara's style gives him maybe an extra year of tread versus a typical RB.

 

[TwinTurbo]

We're all (mostly) oldies in here, right? You know what Jonathan Taylor is? A youngie. The rest of you oldies should look up a concept tonight known as Quiet Quitting. Digest it fully before you go anywhere near the radioactivity emanating from Indy this season.

I have one of my direct reports playing the quiet quitting game right now because he didn't get a promotion because he doesn't finish assigned tasks. Many of these young adults that are quiet quitting had a poor work ethic to begin with.

But for JT, he's playing the only card he can play. And we know when he gives max effort, he is one of the best.

 

[humpback]

Again, he could be lying through his teeth

It’s not that he’s “lying through his teeth” it’s just that he has no incentive to answer that question truthfully since it would alienate one of his players that are now still on the team.

You’re a smart guy, so I’m sure you realize that but you seem more interested in trying to make people feel like fools for discussing something that was “out there” and then discussed in here. Honestly right now it’s kind of having the opposite effect.

I don’t know for sure if Dillon was involved in GB’s offer or not - but it sure makes sense that he was - and I wouldn’t expect Guternhurst to admit that he was since the deal fell through and Dillon is still on the team. I wouldn’t call him a liar on it either since it’s 100% understandable why he’d have to answer that way.

This particular discussion isn't about whether he was truthful or not, or whether Dillon was involved or not, it's simply about whether Gutekunst said anything to refute the reports that they offered him in a trade. IMO, he clearly did when he said he was going to be part of the team regardless, Meno disagrees. It's not a big deal, I'm just genuinely curious what else he could have meant by "regardless". I agree that it's plausible that he's just covering his tracks, but that's not the point in this case.

It isn't about making people feel like fools at all- I'm not saying they're wrong, it is still a possibility that Irsay made all kinds of outlandish trade demands, but it's also a possibility that he did not. Anyone can say anything online, so it's probably best to wait for a bit more information before taking something and running with it. I mean, there's another "source" that said trade talks never materialized beyond a discussion the Colts had with a Packers scout. I posted the clip of the Dolphins GM saying they never even exchanged offers, yet people are convinced that Irsay asked for Waddle and a 1st or whatever. And that turned into how obvious it is that they just want to screw over Taylor and they never had any interest in negotiating in good faith, so on and so on.

Anywho, happy to bow out.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

yet people are convinced that Irsay asked for Waddle and a 1st or whatever. And that turned into how obvious it is that they just want to screw over Taylor and they never had any interest in negotiating in good faith, so on and so on.

People are not "convinced" about anything - they were just reacting to what information was presented. Maybe that information was true. Maybe it wasn't. Nothing you have presented really says otherwise, but you act like it's some big "ah ha" moment. They were quotes from GMs covering their tracks - maybe what they're saying is 100% true. Maybe it's 100% false. Maybe it's something in between. We all know the games GM play when negotiations become public. They have no incentive to satisfy the press' curiosity at the expense of destroying team chemistry and causing a player on their roster to feel disrespected.

If Dillon was actually involved in the initial offer, but the deal fell through, would you really expect Gutenkurst to admit that he was trying to trade a player that's still currently on the team? I hope you would answer "no" - and if, so...

 

[FarFromHome]

yet people are convinced that Irsay asked for Waddle and a 1st or whatever. And that turned into how obvious it is that they just want to screw over Taylor and they never had any interest in negotiating in good faith, so on and so on.

People are not "convinced" about anything - they were just reacting to what information was presented. Maybe that information was true. Maybe it wasn't. Nothing you have presented really says otherwise, but you act like it's some big "ah ha" moment. They were quotes from GMs covering their tracks - maybe what they're saying is 100% true. Maybe it's 100% false. Maybe it's something in between. We all know the games GM play when negotiations become public. They have no incentive to satisfy the press' curiosity at the expense of destroying team chemistry and causing a player on their roster to feel disrespected.

If Dillon was actually involved in the initial offer, but the deal fell through, would you really expect Gutenkurst to admit that he was trying to trade a player that's still currently on the team? I hope you would answer "no" - and if, so...

This. We really know nothing.

 

[zed2283]

Couldn't find a Colts thread to ask this question: who is the starter? Moss? D.Jackson?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Couldn't find a Colts thread to ask this question: who is the starter? Moss? D.Jackson?

Moss broke his arm in camp and will not be ready. Jackson and Hull unless they add anyone.

ETA: Moss may be in the mix for week 2 as it seems like he's making progress.

 

[FarFromHome]

Couldn't find a Colts thread to ask this question: who is the starter? Moss? D.Jackson?

Personally, if I had to pick one to get any type of decent fantasy points I'd take Moss. Imo

 

[pfireman]

Moss was the clear #1 with JT holding in before the injury. Moss is scheduled to practice next week which probably puts him on pace to return week #2. Until he is ready to take a full work load, Deon will carry the load, spelled by Hull.

 

[dschuler]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

 

[Chaka]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

Doesn't he need 10 games to accrue a season?

 

[dschuler]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

Doesn't he need 10 games to accrue a season?

I think it used to be ten, but I’m fairly confident it’s only six now.

Accrued Season – A player earns an Accrued Season if he is on full pay status on the team’s 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), or Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) (except if the injury is non-football related) for 6 or more games in any one season.

NFL Glossary

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

I think it's six. That's what everybody is saying. Six games and then really they can sit if they want.

 

[Penguin]

Personally I am all about avoidnig N.Harris at all costs. He is what he he is, he will never be anything other than what he's already shown us. You get what you pay for.

1600+ yfs, 10 TD, and 70+ rec two years ago. What more does he need to show? Well I guess efficiency could be a lot better. But "what he is" seems to be a workhorse so far.

Jaylan Warren

 

[JohnnyU]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

Doesn't he need 10 games to accrue a season?

I think it used to be ten, but I’m fairly confident it’s only six now.

Accrued Season – A player earns an Accrued Season if he is on full pay status on the team’s 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), or Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) (except if the injury is non-football related) for 6 or more games in any one season.

NFL Glossary

I don’t think he will want to miss the paychecks on that rookie contract. Accrued season <> missed coin for missing games on purpose.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

Doesn't he need 10 games to accrue a season?

I think it used to be ten, but I’m fairly confident it’s only six now.

Accrued Season – A player earns an Accrued Season if he is on full pay status on the team’s 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), or Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) (except if the injury is non-football related) for 6 or more games in any one season.

NFL Glossary

I don’t think he will want to miss the paychecks on that rookie contract. Accrued season <> missed coin for missing games on purpose.

I agree, but I’m also a bit more unsure about what Taylor will do now. I didn’t piece together the 4 games on PUP means he only actually has to play two games. Much more interesting now - but I’ll stick with he comes back and plays hard. Still playing two games and then worse case scenario earning $12MM for one year isn’t bad. He’s giving up money but only rookie contract money and save wear and tear and chance of injury to hit the market still young, or get tagged.

 

[JohnnyU]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

Doesn't he need 10 games to accrue a season?

I think it used to be ten, but I’m fairly confident it’s only six now.

Accrued Season – A player earns an Accrued Season if he is on full pay status on the team’s 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), or Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) (except if the injury is non-football related) for 6 or more games in any one season.

NFL Glossary

I don’t think he will want to miss the paychecks on that rookie contract. Accrued season <> missed coin for missing games on purpose.

I agree, but I’m also a bit more unsure about what Taylor will do now. I didn’t piece together the 4 games on PUP means he only actually has to play two games. Much more interesting now - but I’ll stick with he comes back and plays hard. Still playing two games and then worse case scenario earning $12MM for one year isn’t bad. He’s giving up money but only rookie contract money and save wear and tear and chance of injury to hit the market still young, or get tagged.

If he’s not traded he will get tagged and possibly twice.

 

[irish eyes]

Sooo, Taylor hasn't paid attention to the RB market for the past oh 5 or 6 years. I guess he's never heard of Leveon Bell.

 

[The Future Champs]

Sooo, Taylor hasn't paid attention to the RB market for the past oh 5 or 6 years. I guess he's never heard of Leveon Bell.

He might have a pic of Bell on his locker- remember, Bell sat out, and got a $52 million 4 year contract with $35 million guaranteed for his (lack of) effort.

 

[the spanker]

I can’t see a scenario where he plays more than 2 games for the Colts. Best case he is traded and delivers some value midway and the back half of the year.

Why two?

With his 4 games of Pup, he would get credit for the whole season with two games afterwards.

Doesn't he need 10 games to accrue a season?

I think it used to be ten, but I’m fairly confident it’s only six now.

Accrued Season – A player earns an Accrued Season if he is on full pay status on the team’s 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), or Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) (except if the injury is non-football related) for 6 or more games in any one season.

NFL Glossary

I don’t think he will want to miss the paychecks on that rookie contract. Accrued season <> missed coin for missing games on purpose.

I agree, but I’m also a bit more unsure about what Taylor will do now. I didn’t piece together the 4 games on PUP means he only actually has to play two games. Much more interesting now - but I’ll stick with he comes back and plays hard. Still playing two games and then worse case scenario earning $12MM for one year isn’t bad. He’s giving up money but only rookie contract money and save wear and tear and chance of injury to hit the market still young, or get tagged.

Comes back and plays hard?

That's not hardly a given that happens. Dude was severely pissed off with owner and he said organization later lied about him having a back injury.

He could come back and not have any real motivation to play after the team is out of the playoffs. Why would he unless owner has change of heart and gives Taylor confidence he will be given an extension.

 

[nittanylion]

Sooo, Taylor hasn't paid attention to the RB market for the past oh 5 or 6 years. I guess he's never heard of Leveon Bell.

He might have a pic of Bell on his locker- remember, Bell sat out, and got a $52 million 4 year contract with $35 million guaranteed for his (lack of) effort.

The story of Le'Veon Bell might serve as a cautionary tale for Taylor, and moreso for whoever is advising him.

Steelers' Ramon Foster Detailed The Incredible Mistake That Le'Veon Bell's Agent Admitted To Him

One of the biggest falling outs in NFL and Pittsburgh Steelers history came with running back Le'Veon Bell. This occurred after Bell decided to hold out and not

www.steelernation.com

 

[Chaka]

Sooo, Taylor hasn't paid attention to the RB market for the past oh 5 or 6 years. I guess he's never heard of Leveon Bell.

He might have a pic of Bell on his locker- remember, Bell sat out, and got a $52 million 4 year contract with $35 million guaranteed for his (lack of) effort.

The story of Le'Veon Bell might serve as a cautionary tale for Taylor, and moreso for whoever is advising him.

Steelers' Ramon Foster Detailed The Incredible Mistake That Le'Veon Bell's Agent Admitted To Him

One of the biggest falling outs in NFL and Pittsburgh Steelers history came with running back Le'Veon Bell. This occurred after Bell decided to hold out and not

www.steelernation.com

Why? Because he said he wishes he had stayed with the Steelers for $14 mil with no security beyond 2018?

He pocketed $28 mil from the Jets for 13 total games, 333 touches, in 2019-2020.

The "regret" he talks about is based on sentimentality not the harsh realities of an NFL career and the risk he would have assumed playing 2018 under the tag.

In 2023 an NFL RB would be lucky to get $28 mil over two years. Josh Jacobs, who truly "won" his holdout will pocket $26 million if the Raiders tag him again next year, assuming he even makes it to next year. If the Raiders don't tag him is a team going to pay him $14 mil for 2024?

Le'Veon did just fine.

 

[Pipes]

Sooo, Taylor hasn't paid attention to the RB market for the past oh 5 or 6 years. I guess he's never heard of Leveon Bell.

He might have a pic of Bell on his locker- remember, Bell sat out, and got a $52 million 4 year contract with $35 million guaranteed for his (lack of) effort.

Yeah it didn't turn out as horrible for Bell as many make it out to be. RB are in a tough situation. Taylor plays in his final year without a long term deal and suffers a major injury he likely doesn't sniff a deal like this until another 1 year deal to prove he's back. By then he's 25/26 with a ton of miles on him. I don't blame him, Jacobs or any RB for trying to get as much as they can when they can as they have the shortest careers of any position.

 

[menobrown]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

 

[Chaka]

Sooo, Taylor hasn't paid attention to the RB market for the past oh 5 or 6 years. I guess he's never heard of Leveon Bell.

He might have a pic of Bell on his locker- remember, Bell sat out, and got a $52 million 4 year contract with $35 million guaranteed for his (lack of) effort.

Yup. I see on Spotrac he pulled $28 mil for two years, is the signing bonus, $8 mil, not counted against the contract?

 

[Chaka]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

Why? He missed a year, stayed healthy and got paid more.

 

[menobrown]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

Why? He missed a year, stayed healthy and got paid more.

He missed $14M he did NOT get back. You are one of the last people on the planet who still thinks he made a good decision.

 

[Chaka]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

Why? He missed a year, stayed healthy and got paid more.

He missed $14M he did NOT get back. You are one of the last people on the planet who still thinks he made a good decision.

He walked away from a one year payout of $14 million and zero security. If he shines maybe he gets another deal. If he gets injured or performs like he did in 2019 at best he had to look forward to a series of one year "prove it" deals.

He walked into $28 million guaranteed (not sure if the signing bonus is part of that, but it was $8 million) over two years.

Groupthink aside, how is that not a financial win for him?

 

[Chaka]

For Le'Veon 2018 never happened on the field. We can't simply treat it as if it would have been the same as 2017 or 2016. It didn't exist on the field. 2018 was his best season AND his worst season, or neither.

It was Schrödinger's season.

 

[menobrown]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

Why? He missed a year, stayed healthy and got paid more.

He missed $14M he did NOT get back. You are one of the last people on the planet who still thinks he made a good decision.

He walked away from a one year payout of $14 million and zero security. If he shines maybe he gets another deal. If he gets injured or performs like he did in 2019 at best he had to look forward to a series of one year "prove it" deals.

He walked into $28 million guaranteed (not sure if the signing bonus is part of that, but it was $8 million) over two years.

Groupthink aside, how is that not a financial win for him?

He was offered a contract from the Steeler's that would have paid him $27M over the first two years. Almost the same amount he made the first two years with the Jets. He just missed a year of pay instead.

And if he had said no to the the extension and played on the tag he'd only need to get paid $13-14M over the next two seasons to beat what he ultimately got from the Jets.

He made the worst choice possible and on RB is going to make that choice again anytime soon. And when he said he realizes he made a mistake it was not for just sentimental reasons. And frankly he got lucky to get what he got because reports I heard was the second bidder, which was SF, was a long away from what the Jets offered.

Either way he lost year of pay and gained nothing.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

a long away from what the Jets offered

Jets clearly over-paid based on their desperation to have a playmaker on offense for Darnold.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

a long away from what the Jets offered

Jets clearly over-paid based on their desperation to have a playmaker on offense for Darnold.

And it only takes one sucker to overpay to get what you want. Ask any realtor.

 

[Chaka]

He was offered a contract from the Steeler's that would have paid him $27M over the first two years. Almost the same amount he made the first two years with the Jets. He just missed a year of pay instead.

This I like. Thank you. I forgot he had been offered a deal by the Steelers. Assuming I knew that at one point previously.

As it relates to the thread Taylor doesn't have a $27 million dollar offer on the table ATM, and he's not holding out.

And if he had said no to the the extension and played on the tag he'd only need to get paid $13-14M over the next two seasons to beat what he ultimately got from the Jets.

We can't play the "and if' game without including all potential outcomes. He could have ended his career too. For $14 million or $27 million.

He made the worst choice possible and on RB is going to make that choice again anytime soon. And when he said he realizes he made a mistake it was not for just sentimental reasons. And frankly he got lucky to get what he got because reports I heard was the second bidder, which was SF, was a long away from what the Jets offered.

Either way he lost year of pay and gained nothing.

This still feels like an exaggeration. He may have missed out on a year of earnings. Maybe not. People talk about it as if the outcomes of playing in 2018 were predetermined. They weren't.

That is the part of this that relates to Taylor. Taylor can't afford to hold out but he seems acutely aware that getting to next season is no guarantee.

 

[LawFitz]

That is the part of this that relates to Taylor. Taylor can't afford to hold out but he seems acutely aware that getting to next season is no guarantee.

This.

Taylor by certain accounts is a very bright person. Perhaps too bright for the Colts and NFLs' liking... He seems to have learned from Bell's experience. He's not going to hold out. But a hold in (quiet quit) is a very high risk right now given the above.

Here's a question I have... Do the four games on PUP count toward his six game accrual for the season to count toward his current contract?

 

[socrates]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

Why? He missed a year, stayed healthy and got paid more.

Bell was 26 and coming off of back-to-back 1,200+ rushing and 600+ receiving seasons, and I'm not sure there were any real signs of his fast-approaching decline, but he was never the same back again. Did the year off (sitting around smoking marijuana) contribute to his decline? The Steelers in hindsight made a great decision, and Bell made a poor decision.

Throwing money at an RB on a multi-year second contract is a gamble. Dallas made a horrible investment in Zeke, and that lesson resounded through the league. I think the Colts are wise to be cautious. Taylor is a tremendously talented back in his prime, but heavily used RBs often decline pretty rapidly. NFL RBs have lost much of their bargaining leverage in today's market, and this power struggle may become typical. From Taylor's perspective, he is in a window right now to set himself up financially for life with a multi-year contract, and injuries can close that window quickly. I do not fault him in the least for standing firm. The front-line shelf life of an NFL RB is brief.

 

[menobrown]

Anyway the Taylor and Bell situations are not really similar. Taylor is not going to hold out, it's just not a viable option. Does not mean he does not have other paths he can try and choose to not actually suit up but he won't hold out.

 

[dschuler]

Bell made one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a player make in his career. Not sure what the heck some of you are talking about but there's a reason no one else has tried that nonsense again and Taylor won't either. He may or may not play anytime soon, but he'll still be getting paid.

Why? He missed a year, stayed healthy and got paid more.

He lost a ton of money. He sat out a year with nothing and the original Pitt offer was higher. At least a $20 million mistake but likely higher