RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (1 Viewer)

[FarFromHome]

There's two ways this can go.

JT is still in the Colts long term plans so they will limit his carries and ease him in wisely.

Or

JT is NOT in their long term plans so they will give him as many carries as possible and run him into the ground to show case his value.

Guess we'll find out this week.

Or

They look at the standings, notice they are 2-2 with a QB they just took with pick 4 and realize they should do what they can to succeed. In that conclusion, they notice they have a 24 year old, all pro rb, who has lead the league in rushing that is under contract. Further concluding, they decide to use that under contract RB to win games and help develop it's prize possession QB.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

They look at the standings, notice they are 2-2 with a QB they just took with pick 4 and realize they should do what they can to succeed. In that conclusion, they notice they have a 24 year old, all pro rb, who has lead the league in rushing that is under contract. Further concluding, they decide to use that under contract RB to win games and help develop it's prize possession QB.

This strikes me as highly likely.

 

[menobrown]

Just going to say the best news to come out of this saga in weeks was Stiechen saying he was happy to join his teammates and looking forward to playing. Assuming it's true, that's the first real positive development we've had.

 

[Deamon]

not hearing anything bad or that would make it appear that the team doesn't want him back. Moving in the right direction at least.

The right direction is Baltimore. Staying in Indi makes him a questionable weekly start. Moss will not be erased from that offense, and Taylor just needs to find a way to get in his 6 games and get to free agency in one piece. I dont like him as a 2023 fantasy asset at all if he stays in Indi.

I disagree with this a lot. I think they give him a ton of carries and he can become an RB1 if he's back.

Heck, even if he only plays his 6 weeks and runs his heart out to prove to other teams he's worth a big contract, I'll be happy with that draft capital return.... well, compared to where we were a few weeks ago.

Gimme 2021 JT numbers for 6 weeks and I'll be satisfied as an owner.

 

[efactor]

not hearing anything bad or that would make it appear that the team doesn't want him back. Moving in the right direction at least.

The right direction is Baltimore. Staying in Indi makes him a questionable weekly start. Moss will not be erased from that offense, and Taylor just needs to find a way to get in his 6 games and get to free agency in one piece. I dont like him as a 2023 fantasy asset at all if he stays in Indi.

I disagree with this a lot. I think they give him a ton of carries and he can become an RB1 if he's back.

Heck, even if he only plays his 6 weeks and runs his heart out to prove to other teams he's worth a big contract, I'll be happy with that draft capital return.... well, compared to where we were a few weeks ago.

Gimme 2021 JT numbers for 6 weeks and I'll be satisfied as an owner.

I have him a couple leagues so I hope you're right. One issue is the OL was considered really good in 2021. Not so much now.

 

[georg013]

At what point do we just accept the fact that Moss was nothing more than a multi week rental? Lots of wishful thinking in here. As a Moss owner, I know his days are numbered.

 

[Insein]

There's two ways this can go.

JT is still in the Colts long term plans so they will limit his carries and ease him in wisely.

Or

JT is NOT in their long term plans so they will give him as many carries as possible and run him into the ground to show case his value.

Guess we'll find out this week.

Or

They look at the standings, notice they are 2-2 with a QB they just took with pick 4 and realize they should do what they can to succeed. In that conclusion, they notice they have a 24 year old, all pro rb, who has lead the league in rushing that is under contract. Further concluding, they decide to use that under contract RB to win games and help develop it's prize possession QB.

That doesn't negate scenario 2. In fact it enhances it. Use up the stud RB to help your QB grow and then cast him off next year hoping to recoup a comp pick because can't trade him after this year.

 

[travdogg]

not hearing anything bad or that would make it appear that the team doesn't want him back. Moving in the right direction at least.

The right direction is Baltimore. Staying in Indi makes him a questionable weekly start. Moss will not be erased from that offense, and Taylor just needs to find a way to get in his 6 games and get to free agency in one piece. I dont like him as a 2023 fantasy asset at all if he stays in Indi.

I disagree with this a lot. I think they give him a ton of carries and he can become an RB1 if he's back.

Heck, even if he only plays his 6 weeks and runs his heart out to prove to other teams he's worth a big contract, I'll be happy with that draft capital return.... well, compared to where we were a few weeks ago.

Gimme 2021 JT numbers for 6 weeks and I'll be satisfied as an owner.

I have him a couple leagues so I hope you're right. One issue is the OL was considered really good in 2021. Not so much now.

The OL is still good, it was just once elite. It actually was at its best in 2020. Like, its was an A, now its probably a B. Its not like they are the Panthers.

I think Richardson helps the running lanes a ton. Just like Hurts is doing for Swift, Allen is doing for Cook, and Lamar has always done for whomever is back there.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

At what point do we just accept the fact that Moss was nothing more than a multi week rental? Lots of wishful thinking in here. As a Moss owner, I know his days are numbered.

I accepted that on draft night when I acquired JTaylor for a deep discount. I accepted the risks too.

He now joins CMC and TPollard on my redraft team. I spent a LOT to get them and modestly to get him.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

not hearing anything bad or that would make it appear that the team doesn't want him back. Moving in the right direction at least.

The right direction is Baltimore. Staying in Indi makes him a questionable weekly start. Moss will not be erased from that offense, and Taylor just needs to find a way to get in his 6 games and get to free agency in one piece. I dont like him as a 2023 fantasy asset at all if he stays in Indi.

4 on ir count

 

[DeaLerZ]

Jonathan Taylor 'still doesn't want to play for Colts,' per reporter
Tue, Oct 3rd 8:51am EDT
By Andersen Pickard
Jonathan Taylor (ankle) was designated to return from the PUP list and will practice this week, but the star running back hasn't changed his mind about playing for the Colts. According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, Taylor "still doesn’t want to play for the Colts, and they still don’t want to give him a long-term contract." (Source: ESPN.com)

Fantasy Impact: Taylor missed the first four weeks of the season with an alleged ankle injury, though there has been speculation that he would have been healthy enough to play Week 1. He also requested a trade back in the preseason, but Indianapolis' attempts to acquire Christian Watson from Green Bay or Jaylen Waddle from Miami in exchange for Taylor were declined. In the end, the fact that Taylor is practicing doesn't mean he'll play for the Colts in Week 5 (or ever again). If he holds out for a trade, Zack Moss would continue to start at running back, ranking as a fantasy RB2.

don't blame him.. I wouldn't want to play for Irsay either

 

[FarFromHome]

"If I die tonight and Jonathan Taylor is out of the league, no one’s gonna miss us,” Irsay said. “The league goes on. We know that. The National Football [League] rolls on. It doesn’t matter who comes and who goes, and it’s a privilege to be a part of it.”

Of course if asked he doesn't want to play for Colts, er, Irsay. Sure the context or maybe his intention wasn't horrible, but it sounded horrible.

 

[FarFromHome]

My sources are saying actual practice was cancelled for Wednesday and its a walk thru instead. We may not have actual information until Thursday. I will say sources are 8th grade soccer coaches on Twitter so take it for what it is.

 

[Weebs210]

Titans will eventually give up a big game to a RB. If Taylor plays I'm gambling and rolling him out. If anyone can do it, I like the chances of AR and JT duo.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

not hearing anything bad or that would make it appear that the team doesn't want him back. Moving in the right direction at least.

The right direction is Baltimore. Staying in Indi makes him a questionable weekly start. Moss will not be erased from that offense, and Taylor just needs to find a way to get in his 6 games and get to free agency in one piece. I dont like him as a 2023 fantasy asset at all if he stays in Indi.

4 on ir count

I think he needs 6 more.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

At what point do we just accept the fact that Moss was nothing more than a multi week rental? Lots of wishful thinking in here. As a Moss owner, I know his days are numbered.

I would not write him off just yet. I have zero shares of Moss and am heavily invested in JT. I personally still think he is getting traded. It is just too foolish to not trade him and then lose him for nothing but a *potential* comp pick in 2024. I cannot see them franchising him and paying him $12M when they could have signed him to a long-term contract through his 28-year-old season for roughly that same number and locked him up for his entire prime. I feel like this is really easy to see - seems crystal clear to me - but I dont know S about F. Just some dude on the Internet.

 

[the spanker]

At what point do we just accept the fact that Moss was nothing more than a multi week rental? Lots of wishful thinking in here. As a Moss owner, I know his days are numbered.

I would not write him off just yet. I have zero shares of Moss and am heavily invested in JT. I personally still think he is getting traded. It is just too foolish to not trade him and then lose him for nothing but a *potential* comp pick in 2024. I cannot see them franchising him and paying him $12M when they could have signed him to a long-term contract through his 28-year-old season for roughly that same number and locked him up for his entire prime. I feel like this is really easy to see - seems crystal clear to me - but I dont know S about F. Just some dude on the Internet.

Where do you think he goes then, if traded?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

At what point do we just accept the fact that Moss was nothing more than a multi week rental? Lots of wishful thinking in here. As a Moss owner, I know his days are numbered.

I would not write him off just yet. I have zero shares of Moss and am heavily invested in JT. I personally still think he is getting traded. It is just too foolish to not trade him and then lose him for nothing but a *potential* comp pick in 2024. I cannot see them franchising him and paying him $12M when they could have signed him to a long-term contract through his 28-year-old season for roughly that same number and locked him up for his entire prime. I feel like this is really easy to see - seems crystal clear to me - but I dont know S about F. Just some dude on the Internet.

Where do you think he goes then, if traded?

I think the Ravens make the most sense but who knows. They may never get Dobbins back and can replace him with an upgrade. They can contend this season, but probably not with Gus Edwards as a lead back.

Maybe the Rams.

 

[joey]

I think Taylor, and Davante Adams, both get traded to the 9ers so they can line up CMC, Taylor, Adams, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. Then the 9ers should work a deal for Kelce since, you know, we seem to just be making up stuff.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I think Taylor, and Davante Adams, both get traded to the 9ers so they can line up CMC, Taylor, Adams, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. Then the 9ers should work a deal for Kelce since, you know, we seem to just be making up stuff.

WTF? Seems like a bit of an overreaction. Dude asked me who I thought was a good trade partner and I answered. I didnt make anything up. Very odd and aggressive and moronic response.

 

[efactor]

I think Taylor, and Davante Adams, both get traded to the 9ers so they can line up CMC, Taylor, Adams, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. Then the 9ers should work a deal for Kelce since, you know, we seem to just be making up stuff.

WTF? Seems like a bit of an overreaction. Dude asked me who I thought was a good trade partner and I answered. I didnt make anything up. Very odd and aggressive and moronic response.

Yeah, that was a weird response to a post that lists two good trade candidates. Ravens have crap at RB and I doubt a 195 pound RB can keep getting 20 touch’s. Not to mention Taylor is a far superior player. Both teams make sense if the financials work and the compensation is reasonable.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think Taylor, and Davante Adams, both get traded to the 9ers so they can line up CMC, Taylor, Adams, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. Then the 9ers should work a deal for Kelce since, you know, we seem to just be making up stuff.

C'mon now Kittle getting even FEWER targets is the last thing we need.

 

[dmac37]

At what point do we just accept the fact that Moss was nothing more than a multi week rental? Lots of wishful thinking in here. As a Moss owner, I know his days are numbered.

I would not write him off just yet. I have zero shares of Moss and am heavily invested in JT. I personally still think he is getting traded. It is just too foolish to not trade him and then lose him for nothing but a *potential* comp pick in 2024. I cannot see them franchising him and paying him $12M when they could have signed him to a long-term contract through his 28-year-old season for roughly that same number and locked him up for his entire prime. I feel like this is really easy to see - seems crystal clear to me - but I dont know S about F. Just some dude on the Internet.

Where do you think he goes then, if traded?

I think the Ravens make the most sense but who knows. They may never get Dobbins back and can replace him with an upgrade. They can contend this season, but probably not with Gus Edwards as a lead back.

Maybe the Rams.

The Ravens make a lot of sense to fill a need and put smiles on us fantasy owners. With that said, this is not a Ravens type of move judging by history but just maybe with the RB market depressed, there is enough value and need for them to make this happen. As an A. Jones owner I do not want the Packers.

 

[menobrown]

Read somewhere yesterday that a second would get it done. Don't recall where I read it but was a reputable source. He's for sure not rescinded his trade request.

As someone invested in him I don't really care if he's traded or not, I just want him to buy-in wherever he's at and put this contract aside and play football to the best of his abilities.

In terms of looking at places that could be interested it's really hard to come up with one that makes more sense then Baltimore, but I've never heard on remotely credible report indicating any iota of interest in trading for him.

Reality seems to be that based on multiple reports the trade market for him is fairly dead right now. But I stress right now. Combo of him returning to play and looking like his old self and likely occurrence of injuries across the league can change that equation in a hurry. My personal opinion continues to be that he's more likely to be traded the not, but that's not a slam dunk opinion and again if he buys in with the Colts and puts the contract aside him being traded would not be something I'd be pulling for, I've just been very dubious for months that he'd be able to do that.

 

[Insein]

Baltimore would be great but they don't have a 2nd round pick. They're not giving a 1st and I don't think Indy wants a 3rd. So it's all moot.

 

[Warhogs]

What kind of value do you think any NFL team is willing to give up for JT in trade?

We had 2 RB go in round 1 this year. Robinson was identified as a special kind of player. Detroit taking RB as early as they did was a huge surprise. I don't really see one of the best teams trading for Taylor for a late first because I don't think they need him bad enough. I don't think playoff fringe teams would be willing to trade a first for him at this time. I could be wrong.

I have a tough time seeing any team giving Indy what they want fot JT. Unless they lower their demands he either plays in Indy or sits it seems.

 

[Anarchy99]

What kind of value do you think any NFL team is willing to give up for JT in trade?

We had 2 RB go in round 1 this year. Robinson was identified as a special kind of player. Detroit taking RB as early as they did was a huge surprise. I don't really see one of the best teams trading for Taylor for a late first because I don't think they need him bad enough. I don't think playoff fringe teams would be willing to trade a first for him at this time. I could be wrong.

I have a tough time seeing any team giving Indy what they want fot JT. Unless they lower their demands he either plays in Indy or sits it seems.

Taylor is in the final year of his rookie contract. He wants near top of the market money. Any team that trades for him will have to work out a new contract after this year or franchise him if they want to keep him. If JT is unwilling to play on his current contract, trading for him without giving him an extension could be an issue. It doesn't appear the Colts are interested in giving him big money, but at the same time, it doesn't appear they have any interest in trading him (ie, no one willing to meet their terms).

 

[ffmail4me]

You know what doesn't help his trade market and value? How many RBs are in the top 10 in FF right now (which I know is different than NFL world) but were taken late: Mostert (undrafted) Kyren Williams (late 5th), Achance (late 3rd) Pollard (late 4th), Brian Robison (late 3rd), Montgomery (3rd) Teams don't NEED to take a RB in the 1st or 2nd round to field a good offense...that's reality.

 

[Deamon]

Baltimore would be great but they don't have a 2nd round pick. They're not giving a 1st and I don't think Indy wants a 3rd. So it's all moot.

There's always ways around that.

3rd+4th
Next year's 1st
Next year's 2nd+this year's 4th
3rd that can become a 1st if the Ravens win a playoff game
Etc etc.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

My hunch at this point is that Taylor will be the lead back for the rest of the year with around twenty touches a game. Since he’s elite and he is healthy and he is in his fourth year with the team, I think that starts on Sunday. I don‘t see anything that limits this for week five.

It would seem the FBG projections are quite bullish on JTaylor this week ranking him at #7 for RBs.

 

[FarFromHome]

My hunch at this point is that Taylor will be the lead back for the rest of the year with around twenty touches a game. Since he’s elite and he is healthy and he is in his fourth year with the team, I think that starts on Sunday. I don‘t see anything that limits this for week five.

It would seem the FBG projections are quite bullish on JTaylor this week ranking him at #7 for RBs.

With bye weeks starting and player injuries, if Taylor practices and appears healthy he will be in my lineup.

 

[kyoun1e]

Isn't the first step that he has to be activated??

Practice tmrw doesn't mean he's activated.

 

[FarFromHome]

Isn't the first step that he has to be activated??

Practice tmrw doesn't mean he's activated.

Yes.


Kinda. When your on the PUP u can't practice. When your off the PUP u can. When your on the PUP u can attend team meetings and use the facilities, but can't practice.

 

[*****]

You know what doesn't help his trade market and value? How many RBs are in the top 10 in FF right now (which I know is different than NFL world) but were taken late: Mostert (undrafted) Kyren Williams (late 5th), Achance (late 3rd) Pollard (late 4th), Brian Robison (late 3rd), Montgomery (3rd) Teams don't NEED to take a RB in the 1st or 2nd round to field a good offense...that's reality.

I don't disagree but that same logic is why Irsay is an *** for insisting on a first round pick during preseason. JT is not worth enough to pay big cash because the market for RBs says it is not worth the monetary or draft capital, but Irsay demanded to receive more than the market would pay.

 

[kyoun1e]

Isn't the first step that he has to be activated??

Practice tmrw doesn't mean he's activated.

Yes.


Kinda. When your on the PUP u can't practice. When your off the PUP u can. When your on the PUP u can attend team meetings and use the facilities, but can't practice.

Right.

I'm surprised FBGs is ranking Taylor so high when we don't even know if he'll be activated. They have 21 days I believe.

 

[FarFromHome]

Irsay is the rogue variable in all of this. He played this so poorly and brought feelings into this. Made it personal. Dumb. Wasn't the first time an athlete wanted a new contract. Moron

 

[humpback]

Irsay is the rogue variable in all of this. He played this so poorly and brought feelings into this. Made it personal. Dumb. Wasn't the first time an athlete wanted a new contract. Moron

Eh, so is JT, and so is his agent- they're all "atypical", and we really have no idea what any of them is truly thinking or asking for.

I'm no Irsay apologist, but in a way he actually may have attempted to do the opposite- what he said is true, the NFL isn't going to skip a beat if JT isn't part of it, and he included himself in that too. The Colts have been very upfront that they love JT as a person, but it's a business, and it's poor business to hand out a giant 2nd contract to a RB, especially one coming off a injury riddled down year. No one looks good here IMO.

 

[BoltNlava]

Isn't the first step that he has to be activated??

Practice tmrw doesn't mean he's activated.

Yes.


Kinda. When your on the PUP u can't practice. When your off the PUP u can. When your on the PUP u can attend team meetings and use the facilities, but can't practice.

I think everyone should be able to use the facilities. Geez.

 

[Buckna]

Picking a tough time to come back, next 4 opponents are all top 10 in fewest points given up to RB's so far this season. Still early in the season, but they all look like tough rush defenses on paper.

 

[FarFromHome]

Picking a tough time to come back, next 4 opponents are all top 10 in fewest points given up to RB's so far this season. Still early in the season, but they all look like tough rush defenses on paper.

You indirectly spoke to the difference between Moss and Taylor. Taylor is an elite player and is matchup proof. Not Moss. Imo

 

[joey]

I think Taylor, and Davante Adams, both get traded to the 9ers so they can line up CMC, Taylor, Adams, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. Then the 9ers should work a deal for Kelce since, you know, we seem to just be making up stuff.

WTF? Seems like a bit of an overreaction. Dude asked me who I thought was a good trade partner and I answered. I didnt make anything up. Very odd and aggressive and moronic response.

Odd and moronic, I agree with. Aggressive?…c‘Mon.

I think Taylor, and Davante Adams, both get traded to the 9ers so they can line up CMC, Taylor, Adams, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. Then the 9ers should work a deal for Kelce since, you know, we seem to just be making up stuff.

C'mon now Kittle getting even FEWER targets is the last thing we need.

FreeBaGel got the spirit of my stupid comment though

 

[Insein]

Officially off the PUP and started the 21 day window. Let's see what the Colts do now.

 

[kdpatron15]

FREE JT!

 

[kyoun1e]

Officially off the PUP and started the 21 day window. Let's see what the Colts do now.

Now if he is in great shape per his workout videos and everything is hunky dory, why wouldn't they activate him immediately?

 

[Banger]

Officially off the PUP and started the 21 day window. Let's see what the Colts do now.

Now if he is in great shape per his workout videos and everything is hunky dory, why wouldn't they activate him immediately?

in a normal situation where the owner isn't insane what you say makes perfect sense...with Irsay you just don't know what he'll do and whether he'll do something irrational to prove a point/punish.

 

[kyoun1e]

Officially off the PUP and started the 21 day window. Let's see what the Colts do now.

Now if he is in great shape per his workout videos and everything is hunky dory, why wouldn't they activate him immediately?

in a normal situation where the owner isn't insane what you say makes perfect sense...with Irsay you just don't know what he'll do and whether he'll do something irrational to prove a point/punish.

He seems like a spoiled brat little kid who if he gets annoyed takes his ball and goes home.

 

[Deamon]

Participating in walk through today...

 

[menobrown]

Officially off the PUP and started the 21 day window. Let's see what the Colts do now.

Now if he is in great shape per his workout videos and everything is hunky dory, why wouldn't they activate him immediately?

Maybe knowing the playbook? It's not the same offense he left and heading into today he's not practiced one time in it.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Jonathan Taylor (ankle) estimated as a full participant Wednesday
Wed, Oct 4th 3:53pm EDT
By Sammy Schulman
According to Adam Schefter, Colts' star RB Jonathan Taylor was a full participant in the team's walkthrough Wednesday in his first action of the season. The Colts did not hold an official practice Wednesday, but Taylor was estimated to be a full participant in their walkthrough. (Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter)

Fantasy Impact: If Taylor practices fully the entire week, there is a good chance he will take the field in Week 5 when the Colts take on Tennessee. There is still some uncertainty surrounding his long-term situation with the team, but with a trade seeming less imminent than ever, 2021's leading rusher may be better off returning to the team that drafted him, at least for 2023. If Taylor does play, he will be a wide-range outcome asset for fantasy managers who managed to hold onto him throughout the drama of the last few months.

 

[DeaLerZ]

"As far as how everyday business has gone, it's the NFL," tight end Mo Alie-Cox said. "We're going to come here and work and we'll always welcome you back with open arms."

Taylor has been at odds with the Colts since the offseason after the organization's decision in May to not grant his request for a contract extension. Taylor, the 2021 NFL rushing champion, is in the final year of his rookie contract.

"He's got to make decisions and he's got a plan that he feels is going to best feed his family," linebacker Zaire Franklin said. "Obviously, we love and support him and appreciate everything he's done for us and can't wait for him to get back.

"I'm looking forward to competing against him again [in practice]. J.T. makes me better. ... I always tell him that iron sharpens iron, and there's no better player in the league to get better against."

The iciness between Taylor and the Colts seems to have thawed a bit, though it's unclear what that means for his contract situation. Colts coach Shane Steichen dodged questions about Taylor for weeks before an about-face this week. Steichen has spoken expansively about Taylor and heaped praise on the 2020 second-round draft selection.

"He's a big-time player," Steichen said earlier this week. "He's explosive. He can hit the home runs when he sees the hole. ... Great vision, power, obviously, one of the top backs in this league without a doubt."

A team source indicated this week that Taylor's attitude toward the team has been significantly improved and that the relationship is headed in the right direction -- a far cry from Taylor's earlier interactions with the club, which were said to be much more heated.

With all four teams in the AFC South sitting at 2-2, the Colts think Taylor could provide the boost they need to make a run. He could be of particular assistance to rookie dual-threat quarterback Anthony Richardson.

"Any running back that's running the ball well, it opens up the passing game because I can use my legs as well," Richardson said.