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Ought to be able to win the matchup with the .2 guy.
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RB Josh Jacobs, GB (12 Viewers)
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
Bwahahahhahaha. Ziiiiing!!!
Quiet in here.
You'd think this is a good spot for Jacobs. Lafleur raving about him. Offense is on the upswing with Love and all the receiving options. Have to think he's going to have a lot of open holes to run through and GB gave him a bucket of money.
Lafleur a RBBC guy though, but is Dillon a threat?
ESPN has him ranked 35th and Bloom seems to be down on him. However, after the likes of Pacheco and Henry are gone (and possibly Achane) I'm considering Jacobs at the 2/3 turn as an RB2.
You'd think this is a good spot for Jacobs. Lafleur raving about him. Offense is on the upswing with Love and all the receiving options. Have to think he's going to have a lot of open holes to run through and GB gave him a bucket of money.
Lafleur a RBBC guy though, but is Dillon a threat?
ESPN has him ranked 35th and Bloom seems to be down on him. However, after the likes of Pacheco and Henry are gone (and possibly Achane) I'm considering Jacobs at the 2/3 turn as an RB2.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
A little jaded from last year
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I took Jacobs as my RB2 in the third round this year and was thrilled to get him. GB is a fantastic situation and teams won't be able to stack the box against him.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. We can always find stats to drive a narrative. The Jacobs downers post heavy workload numbers with average production. My retort would be posting the Raiders starting QBs. Always bad. Always stacked boxes. Opposing defenses day one game plan was usually stop Jacobs. On the Packers offense, u just can't solely focus on Jacobs. Should be interesting. I see a top 10 year for sure, barring injury of course.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Every case is different but David Montgomery also went to a better situation last year and showed improvement, even with Gibbs in the same backfield.
Where would you rank him among other RBs in PPR?
Let me rephrase my thoughts. Normally, there is a slew of RB1's and big dropoff to RB2's. This year, there are only 3 clear-cut RB'1 and a slew of RB 2's. With injury very often at the position, most of them have a legitimate chance for RB1 or at least top 5. In PPR, I am perfectly fine with having a top WR and ending up with Tayler, Barkley, Cook, Jacobs, Etienne, etc. as your RB1
Biabreakable
Footballguy
FWIW I did hold my nose and draft this Packer.
If he goes off (which I think he could) I won't be happy about it but I will take the points.
If he sucks then I get to laugh at the Packers decision to let Aaron Jones go.
So it's kind of a win win for me.
If he goes off (which I think he could) I won't be happy about it but I will take the points.
If he sucks then I get to laugh at the Packers decision to let Aaron Jones go.
So it's kind of a win win for me.
Yeah I'm pretty hellbent on drafting one of CMC/B. Hall/Bijan with my #3 pick and then going WR in round 2. From there, I'm lumping in Jacobs with the likes of Achane, J. Cook, Mixon, etc. for my RB2 and bypassing my WR2.
EBF
Footballguy
FF RB landscape is interesting because you have maybe 3-4 guys who really deserve to go in the first round. I feel pretty good about McCaffrey, Barkley, and Taylor. Bijan is still coasting on his draft hype of what he was supposed to be. His actual on-field performance doesn't in any way justify being a top 5 redraft pick. On the other hand, I think he WILL produce a top 10 RB season if he stays healthy because he's pretty good and the Falcon offense should be strong. Him being valued as a top 10 pick is mostly conjecture though. Burned a lot of people last season and they're lining up to go on the ride again.
After that you have a bunch of mediocrities and/or scatback types being treated like reliable assets. Hall, Gibbs, Kyren, Pacheco, Cook, White, and Etienne aren't better NFL players than Jacobs. Probably the opposite. So why are we drafting him below most of those guys when he has upgraded his offense? Shouldn't he be up there with Barkley? Both are three down Pro Bowl level talents who upgraded their situation. Both should still be in their prime.
Kamara, Henry, Mixon, and Jacobs are the top known quantities outside the first tier. We know what they are. It's just a question of whether there will be age/workload related dropoff, because in a vacuum it's madness to take a Kyren Williams or Rachaad White ahead of them. Jacobs is the guy from that cluster who I trust the most. He would be a strong target for me after the top 4-5 RBs are off the board. ADP is just ADP and when you get locked into where a guy is "supposed to" go in your drafts, you can forget that it all goes out the window after kickoff on week 1 when you need these guys to actually perform.
I trust Jacobs to deliver. Lloyd is raw, but with a high enough ceiling that I'd be inclined to draft him as insurance.
Between those two, I think you have a good chance to get top 10 production from your RB1 spot.
After that you have a bunch of mediocrities and/or scatback types being treated like reliable assets. Hall, Gibbs, Kyren, Pacheco, Cook, White, and Etienne aren't better NFL players than Jacobs. Probably the opposite. So why are we drafting him below most of those guys when he has upgraded his offense? Shouldn't he be up there with Barkley? Both are three down Pro Bowl level talents who upgraded their situation. Both should still be in their prime.
Kamara, Henry, Mixon, and Jacobs are the top known quantities outside the first tier. We know what they are. It's just a question of whether there will be age/workload related dropoff, because in a vacuum it's madness to take a Kyren Williams or Rachaad White ahead of them. Jacobs is the guy from that cluster who I trust the most. He would be a strong target for me after the top 4-5 RBs are off the board. ADP is just ADP and when you get locked into where a guy is "supposed to" go in your drafts, you can forget that it all goes out the window after kickoff on week 1 when you need these guys to actually perform.
I trust Jacobs to deliver. Lloyd is raw, but with a high enough ceiling that I'd be inclined to draft him as insurance.
Between those two, I think you have a good chance to get top 10 production from your RB1 spot.
true. I think yards per carry will go up. though workload likely stays the same. Green bay throws more than Vegas ever did. but to make up for that he will be running the ball in garbage time a lot more too. so that may make up for it.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
200 career catches with zero receiving TDs, gotta get rid of that skunk early on in GB.
massraider
Footballguy
I think the concerns about his usage in the passing game are fair, and I think the coach's history of using two backs is kind of tough to avoid. AJ Dillon got a lot of work the last few seasons, and AJ Dillon is not Aaron Jones.
Really good back, and when he had average line play he was an efficient monster, and his line really let him down last year, and people said he regressed.
I have volume concerns, and I have passing game concerns. I don't have talent concerns.
Really good back, and when he had average line play he was an efficient monster, and his line really let him down last year, and people said he regressed.
I have volume concerns, and I have passing game concerns. I don't have talent concerns.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Exactly. Still can't believe he is only 26. His coaches history of rb usage is my only concern. Having said that, for 17 games, I can't see a scenario where 300 touches isn't the outcome on a team built to win now.
Exactly.
Here's a question: Who would you rather have? J. Jacobs? Or K. Walker?
These two RBs seem to be the last ones before you hit the dreaded dead zone.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Give me Jacobs in all formats and I really like Walker. Imo
need2know
Footballguy
would be happy with either but give me the guy on the better offense. Jacobs
Chaka
Footballguy
I'm not so concerned about touches for Jacob's. I think he's a lock for 250+ touches which, in my opinion is the new benchmark for a number one running back.
Aaron Jones missed out on 250 touches a couple of times because even when he was healthy it always seemed like he was dinged up in nursing some kind of injury that limited his usage. I don't think his total number of starts reflects his true availability over the past couple of years.
I'm not sure if Jacobs has 300 touch upside, few do, but 285? Absolutely.
Aaron Jones missed out on 250 touches a couple of times because even when he was healthy it always seemed like he was dinged up in nursing some kind of injury that limited his usage. I don't think his total number of starts reflects his true availability over the past couple of years.
I'm not sure if Jacobs has 300 touch upside, few do, but 285? Absolutely.
Agree.
Jacobs isn't making it back to me in round 4. I may have to reach for him in the early third if I want him. ADP be damned. Get your guys. He seems criminally undervalued.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
That's how I got Jacobs, the dude ahead of me took Walker. I would have been ok with him as a consolation prize, but I was much happier to get Jacobs.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Close to where I got him at 3.07. That was a one player keeper though.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
I’m probably looking at both available at pick 30, lean toward Walker right now
I'd have to take him at 3.03. Seems a bit of a reach.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I dunno, that's about where he's going, number 30-35.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Jacobs was always going to be a workhorse imo. Last year he was bad but I am thinking that is an outliner and he will bounce back to near elite play.
Gotta think he starts moving into the third round closer to Mixon territory.
Wait what? Jacobs has been going a round ahead of Mixon in every draft I've done.
I was thinking Jacobs starts moving into the top-25.
massraider
Footballguy
You have to bump him up in a BIG way, far as I am concerned.
There simply isn't anyone they can just bring in and give 15 touches to. He's going to lead the NFL in touches for at least the first month.
RB1 upside, even if he's not a pass catching monster. Guy is the ONLY available back for the most exciting young offense in the league.
There simply isn't anyone they can just bring in and give 15 touches to. He's going to lead the NFL in touches for at least the first month.
RB1 upside, even if he's not a pass catching monster. Guy is the ONLY available back for the most exciting young offense in the league.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Damn. Who the hell is the #2 RB now?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Just saw Perine waived. Maybe him?
Jacobs is actually underrated as a pass catcher. I think he had 2 years where he caught 50+ passes. Not for huge yards, but still, in PPR thats a solid bump for a grinder like him.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Kinda shocked Foreman cut. I'd assume they would like to practice squad hm? Gotta think he would scoff at that. Packers and cowboys make sense for him.
massraider
Footballguy
I agree, I just happen to think his receiving numbers won't hit the upside because they will be working him on the ground, and Love has 6 young WR/TE that are all interesting, so I don't think they will need to.
Agreed, he can catch the ball.
As a Raiders fan, the dude is a plus athlete, and never makes a mistake. Never the wrong hole. He doesn't have the Achane flashy games, and Raiders have been bad, but people are going to see how good he is.
Emmitt Smith-like
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Please stay healthy. Please stay healthy.
and the guy has historically been quite durable. so I consider him to be lower risk than a lot in terms of potential for injury.
hes a true, old school workhorse back.
2022 is the only season Jacobs played every game.
He's only missed 9 games in 5 years, but he is banged up a lot.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Marshawn Lloyd if he's healthy, otherwise Emmanuel Wilson. Wilson had a great preseason but likely would've been cut if AJ Dillon hadn't been IR'd for the season. They play a week from Friday in Brazil, so may have to make some decisions soon.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
He might not be that good, but he knows the offense and the coaches trust him. He was gonna get carries throughout the game. This wouldn't have been as big of an issue if loyd was healthy.
zamboni
Footballguy
IIRC, he was renowned as a pass catcher coming out of college. Just was not often used that way in the Raiders' system.
cheese
Footballguy
Good point about the timing of week1. They might add someone and they probably do want to split at RB, but the options are slim and Friday is soon. He should smash in week1.
