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RB Kareem Hunt, KC (5 Viewers)

If Hunt were anything more than depth at this point, he would have been signed already - well ahead of much less accomplished RBs.
Agreed

He looked super washed last year.
Hunt would be a replacement (sideways move) from Zack Moss. He's probably a good enough pass catcher to take those snaps from a healthy Taylor, but so was Nyheim Hines, and those snaps are practically meaningless for fantasy with Richardson at QB. Those are probably blocker snaps.

Just goes to show you how quickly a player like Taylor can go from a top asset in fantasy to where he is today. Not For Long. This is just one reason why I can see RBs not being valued as much in fantasy going forward. Maybe there is something to the 0 RB strategy. I've been doing a lot of research on it lately.
Dynasty wise I can agree, but redraft wise, I think RB is still the most important spot to fill.

In 2 of my redraft leagues last year, I started CMC/Barkley and Ekeler/Henry. That went a lot better than if I'd started Kupp/Deebo, or Chase/Andrews. I think its just about picking the right guys. I was down on Taylor last year, not because I thought he'd get hurt, but because I thought the offense would be less built through him with Ryan on board. I was right, but maybe for the wrong reason.

Personally, this year I would take CMC, Chubb, and Ekeler over any WR, which is probably a very minority opinion.
 
In 2 of my redraft leagues last year, I started CMC/Barkley and Ekeler/Henry. That went a lot better than if I'd started Kupp/Deebo, or Chase/Andrews. I think its just about picking the right guys
Well, since Kupp got hurt, Deebo had a down year, and Andrews lost his QB (and also had knee/shoulder issues) this is true.

I started JJ/Barkley in redraft and that worked out really well too.

The bolded is what it all comes down to.
 
In 2 of my redraft leagues last year, I started CMC/Barkley and Ekeler/Henry. That went a lot better than if I'd started Kupp/Deebo, or Chase/Andrews. I think its just about picking the right guys
Well, since Kupp got hurt, Deebo had a down year, and Andrews lost his QB (and also had knee/shoulder issues) this is true.

I started JJ/Barkley in redraft and that worked out really well too.

The bolded is what it all comes down to.
Yeah, I don't think there is a wrong strategy if you take the right players. I'm sure if somebody started Kelce/Mahomes and were behind the 8-ball at both RB/WR, they still would have been just fine.
 
Just goes to show you how quickly a player like Taylor can go from a top asset in fantasy to where he is today.
It's a bit premature to make a statement like this imo - Taylor could still be traded into a lead back role or he could decide to play the year out and build his value. We're still five weeks away from the start of the season.
I like glass half full type of people.
 
Interesting that these FAs keep visiting teams and not getting contracts (the story that the Colts made an offer and Hunt turned it down may well be spin from his agent; better to have teams think that than "They weren't interested.")

And of course, the more this keeps happening, the more FA RBs remain out there, the less pressure there will be to sign any of them. I'm wondering if teams aren't just figuring they can sign a RB after Week 1 to get easier terms on the contract (I believe they don't have to guarantee them for the full year in that case)
 
Kareem's had been having the most quite off-season of the three old ex-big time Rb's (Zeke, Lenny). Other then that rumor that Washington was interested awhile back not a peep and he himself has had almost zero activity on social media. Out of sight and mind to the point someone had to write an article a few weeks ago indicating he was still planning to play.

So with that in mind it's been good to see him suddenly active, visiting teams and getting offers. Figured this would happen but it was starting to get a little late to not hear a peep.

So I'm glad to see he's actively looking for a home but at the same time very glad to see he's staying patient about it. The Saints were the worst possible landing spot in the whole league to me. The Colts spot was not great either, just better in comparison. People get antsy when a player is not on a team at this time of year but I'd prefer he took his time and hopefully finds a good payday for him and a path to a fantasy role for me and the few believers left, even if means waiting until after week one.
 
People get antsy when a player is not on a team at this time of year but I'd prefer he took his time and hopefully finds a good payday for him and a path to a fantasy role for me and the few believers left, even if means waiting until after week one.

This is where I'm at with an RB that shall remain nameless so people don't wince and think "Ewww. You're potentially counting on him?"

So nameless he goes.
 
People get antsy when a player is not on a team at this time of year but I'd prefer he took his time and hopefully finds a good payday for him and a path to a fantasy role for me and the few believers left, even if means waiting until after week one.

This is where I'm at with an RB that shall remain nameless so people don't wince and think "Ewww. You're potentially counting on him?"

So nameless he goes.

Are you saying it's someone other then Hunt, Zeke or Lenny?
 
Are you saying it's someone other then Hunt, Zeke or Lenny?

Nope.

Twist my arm! Twist my arm!

It's Zeke. Guy looked so cooked last year, though. No explosive runs, nothing in terms of EPA, nothing in terms of yards over expectation. Just at the bottom of it all.

But I'm waiting for him to find a role somewhere with somebody desperate. I think some place like AZ when Conner inevitably gets hurt is a good place for him. Ingram, Demercado, Mack (who just tore his achilles again I heard), and nothing. That's not a murderers row of who's who.
 
Are you saying it's someone other then Hunt, Zeke or Lenny?

Nope.

Twist my arm! Twist my arm!

It's Zeke. Guy looked so cooked last year, though. No explosive runs, nothing in terms of EPA, nothing in terms of yards over expectation. Just at the bottom of it all.

But I'm waiting for him to find a role somewhere with somebody desperate. I think some place like AZ when Conner inevitably gets hurt is a good place for him. Ingram, Demercado, Mack (who just tore his achilles again I heard), and nothing. That's not a murderers row of who's who.

I was guessing Benny Snell.
 
Are you saying it's someone other then Hunt, Zeke or Lenny?

Nope.

Twist my arm! Twist my arm!

It's Zeke. Guy looked so cooked last year, though. No explosive runs, nothing in terms of EPA, nothing in terms of yards over expectation. Just at the bottom of it all.

But I'm waiting for him to find a role somewhere with somebody desperate. I think some place like AZ when Conner inevitably gets hurt is a good place for him. Ingram, Demercado, Mack (who just tore his achilles again I heard), and nothing. That's not a murderers row of who's who.
What bodes well for Zeke is that he's not one to be sidelined by minor injuries. If he's not seriously injured, he's available and tends to perform pretty well. I expect teams will appreciate that.
 
If he's not seriously injured, he's available and tends to perform pretty well. I expect teams will appreciate that.

That's sort of what I'm counting on. His availability is a draw. One thing about Zeke that I actually always noticed is he knows how to get tackled and how to go down without getting hurt when the contact is too great to break said tackle. (Unless they're running headlong into his knee like last year when the guy dove into his knees while he was going full speed.)
 
Kareem's had been having the most quite off-season of the three old ex-big time Rb's (Zeke, Lenny). Other then that rumor that Washington was interested awhile back not a peep and he himself has had almost zero activity on social media. Out of sight and mind to the point someone had to write an article a few weeks ago indicating he was still planning to play.

So with that in mind it's been good to see him suddenly active, visiting teams and getting offers. Figured this would happen but it was starting to get a little late to not hear a peep.

So I'm glad to see he's actively looking for a home but at the same time very glad to see he's staying patient about it. The Saints were the worst possible landing spot in the whole league to me. The Colts spot was not great either, just better in comparison. People get antsy when a player is not on a team at this time of year but I'd prefer he took his time and hopefully finds a good payday for him and a path to a fantasy role for me and the few believers left, even if means waiting until after week one.
I hope to God the Saints aren't his landing spot but the Colts would be a nice landing spot. An RB2 if JT is not playing for various reasons (which keep increasing by the week) and a quality handcuff if JT is there.
 
Kareem's had been having the most quite off-season of the three old ex-big time Rb's (Zeke, Lenny). Other then that rumor that Washington was interested awhile back not a peep and he himself has had almost zero activity on social media. Out of sight and mind to the point someone had to write an article a few weeks ago indicating he was still planning to play.

So with that in mind it's been good to see him suddenly active, visiting teams and getting offers. Figured this would happen but it was starting to get a little late to not hear a peep.

So I'm glad to see he's actively looking for a home but at the same time very glad to see he's staying patient about it. The Saints were the worst possible landing spot in the whole league to me. The Colts spot was not great either, just better in comparison. People get antsy when a player is not on a team at this time of year but I'd prefer he took his time and hopefully finds a good payday for him and a path to a fantasy role for me and the few believers left, even if means waiting until after week one.
I hope to God the Saints aren't his landing spot but the Colts would be a nice landing spot. An RB2 if JT is not playing for various reasons (which keep increasing by the week) and a quality handcuff if JT is there.
How about nooooooo!

- Deon/Hull shareholder

/Dr Evil
 
Are you saying it's someone other then Hunt, Zeke or Lenny?

Nope.

Twist my arm! Twist my arm!

It's Zeke. Guy looked so cooked last year, though. No explosive runs, nothing in terms of EPA, nothing in terms of yards over expectation. Just at the bottom of it all.

But I'm waiting for him to find a role somewhere with somebody desperate. I think some place like AZ when Conner inevitably gets hurt is a good place for him. Ingram, Demercado, Mack (who just tore his achilles again I heard), and nothing. That's not a murderers row of who's who.
Thanks, I was expecting someone more obscure.

Elliot gets drafted in every league of mine. I drafted him last week in a FFPC Main Event so I won't be scoffing at you.

Elliot, Fournette and Hunt are all kind of similar. All good in pass protection so good third down backs and all with power. I've thought all off-season that Hunt had a little more left then these two but the things they all do best right now is the things that lead to fantasy points. They all get drafted in every one of my drafts, worthwhile stabs that have great shots of being a handcuff plus.
 
I’m warming up to the idea in redraft.

If you haven't done one yet, I think you'll be surprised at how deep the RB position is, and with respect to their ADPs, how eminently available they are late in the draft. It's not a bad idea to flex your muscles at WR early because there seems to be a steep WR drop-off after the first twenty or so.

Just a thought.
 
I’m warming up to the idea in redraft.

If you haven't done one yet, I think you'll be surprised at how deep the RB position is, and with respect to their ADPs, how eminently available they are late in the draft. It's not a bad idea to flex your muscles at WR early because there seems to be a steep WR drop-off after the first twenty or so.

Just a thought.
That’s generally my approach.

But CMC could be poised for a monster season.
 
That’s generally my approach.

But CMC could be poised for a monster season.

Oh yeah. He was Draft Dominator's number two guy in both PPR drafts I'm doing. One full, one half PPR.

He went 2, 6, 3, 5, 2, 2, 3 in those drafts I was talking about with Etienne.

Justin Jefferson was a unanimous number one. He's that special, and he is as safe as a pro football player gets, which still means he isn't, but. . .I don't think you pick anybody ahead of him in PPR. He's just that good right now. You could make a case for McCaffrey I guess, but I don't think -- given it's the 49ers and they're so deep and will be looking to manage reps -- we're going to see anything like that Carolina year McCaffrey had. That was a perfect storm of uber talent and uber volume.
 
That’s generally my approach.

But CMC could be poised for a monster season.

Oh yeah. He was Draft Dominator's number two guy in both PPR drafts I'm doing. One full, one half PPR.

He went 2, 6, 3, 5, 2, 2, 3 in those drafts I was talking about with Etienne.

Justin Jefferson was a unanimous number one. He's that special, and he is as safe as a pro football player gets, which still means he isn't, but. . .I don't think you pick anybody ahead of him in PPR. He's just that good right now. You could make a case for McCaffrey I guess, but I don't think -- given it's the 49ers and they're so deep and will be looking to manage reps -- we're going to see anything like that Carolina year McCaffrey had. That was a perfect storm of uber talent and uber volume.
I took him 1.05 last year & was very pleased with the result.
 
Justin Jefferson was a unanimous number one. He's that special, and he is as safe as a pro football player gets, which still means he isn't, but. . .I don't think you pick anybody ahead of him in PPR. He's just that good right now.
Jefferson has immense talent and has been a fantasy stud. After watching the Quarterback show on Netflix, my biggest concern is whether Kirk Cousins at 35 years old will be able to make it through the season. The amount of pressure / hits / pounding he took last year was crazy. I don't see J.J. putting up elite fantasy totals if the Vikings have to roll with Nick Mullens at QB for an extended stretch. Yeah, I get it that any top fantasy WR likely will see a dip in production if his starting QB gets hurt. Even though Cousins has been pretty durable, he just strikes me as having a slightly greater injury risk now that he's getting older. Maybe it wouldn't make a difference for J.J. (Tyreek did fine overall with Tua missing 4 games last year, but his 3 lowest scoring fantasy weeks came when Tua was out.) I doubt it's worth worrying about or that it would cause me to avoid taking Jefferson, but I'd be holding my breath watching MIN games that Cousins might not get up after some of the mega hits he takes.
 
my biggest concern is whether Kirk Cousins at 35 years old will be able to make it through the season. The amount of pressure / hits / pounding he took last year was crazy. I don't see J.J. putting up elite fantasy totals if the Vikings have to roll with Nick Mullens at QB for an extended stretch.

Fair enough. It's certainly a package deal when you take a WR. But every WR is one QB hit away from a problem. Now Cousins might have a suspect line and be getting older, so your point is taken, but injuries anywhere are going to affect wing players' outputs.

But it's a valid point. Over in the "Preseason" thread Joe started, I opined that I'd rather have Jefferson than Chase in dynasty (I have Chase), but the only thing stopping me was the Burrow/Cousins thing. Burrow seems like a better QB to tie oneself to, but remember, he went down with a season-ending injury because of a bad line. Point is, everybody is a hit away.

The top five WRs in redraft scare me all for different reasons. Chase scares me for reasons I won't go too far into, other than a trick hip and a seemingly problematic love life that bubbles up on Twitter and Insta with fleeting and deleted allegations of abuse of some sort. That's also scary, especially for dynasty.

So. . .don't know where I'm going with that other than Jefferson has his Cousins issue, but Chase and Hill have their off-field stuff, too, and Kupp is 31 with a hamstring problem and coming off of surgery on his ankle, which is never good.

Those are the top four WRs in redraft.

And Diggs makes five, and he's had a problematic off-season.

So you've got Jefferson, who you're saying has a potential issue with Cousins.
But you've got Chase, and Burrow currently hurt with a suspect line moving forward.
Then there's Hill and Tua who is one concussion away from forced time missed and retirement
And then there's Kupp with an ancient Stafford who has a trick elbow he didn't have surgery on
And then Diggs with Allen, probably the most stable of the bunch.

So pick your poison. I will say this. I just went with Bijan over Chase, Hill, Kupp, and Diggs in the Summerpalooza VI draft, which is a fun league, but serious in its own way once the music stops and everybody hunts for the musical chair minus one. I just liked him over those guys in half PPR. So maybe Hero RB is the way to go this year. We shall see.
 
Justin Jefferson was a unanimous number one. He's that special, and he is as safe as a pro football player gets, which still means he isn't, but. . .I don't think you pick anybody ahead of him in PPR. He's just that good right now.
Jefferson has immense talent and has been a fantasy stud. After watching the Quarterback show on Netflix, my biggest concern is whether Kirk Cousins at 35 years old will be able to make it through the season. The amount of pressure / hits / pounding he took last year was crazy. I don't see J.J. putting up elite fantasy totals if the Vikings have to roll with Nick Mullens at QB for an extended stretch. Yeah, I get it that any top fantasy WR likely will see a dip in production if his starting QB gets hurt. Even though Cousins has been pretty durable, he just strikes me as having a slightly greater injury risk now that he's getting older. Maybe it wouldn't make a difference for J.J. (Tyreek did fine overall with Tua missing 4 games last year, but his 3 lowest scoring fantasy weeks came when Tua was out.) I doubt it's worth worrying about or that it would cause me to avoid taking Jefferson, but I'd be holding my breath watching MIN games that Cousins might not get up after some of the mega hits he takes.
Every single player is going to have some element of risk. I mean you’d drive yourself crazy if you tried to leave a draft with zero risk since it’s impossible.
 
Justin Jefferson was a unanimous number one. He's that special, and he is as safe as a pro football player gets, which still means he isn't, but. . .I don't think you pick anybody ahead of him in PPR. He's just that good right now.
Jefferson has immense talent and has been a fantasy stud. After watching the Quarterback show on Netflix, my biggest concern is whether Kirk Cousins at 35 years old will be able to make it through the season. The amount of pressure / hits / pounding he took last year was crazy. I don't see J.J. putting up elite fantasy totals if the Vikings have to roll with Nick Mullens at QB for an extended stretch. Yeah, I get it that any top fantasy WR likely will see a dip in production if his starting QB gets hurt. Even though Cousins has been pretty durable, he just strikes me as having a slightly greater injury risk now that he's getting older. Maybe it wouldn't make a difference for J.J. (Tyreek did fine overall with Tua missing 4 games last year, but his 3 lowest scoring fantasy weeks came when Tua was out.) I doubt it's worth worrying about or that it would cause me to avoid taking Jefferson, but I'd be holding my breath watching MIN games that Cousins might not get up after some of the mega hits he takes.
Look at other top 4 receivers QBs: Tua, Stafford, and Burrow who's generally not that risky, but already dealing with an injury
 
anybody know where the Kareem Hunt thread is at?

I have the 1.02 in my longtime redraft. JJ seems like the obvious pick if he's there. FNG in his first year is ahead of me so don't have any idea if he'll go CMC or JJ. I'm probably rolling with Chase if the consensus comes off the board but it's not automatic. It's full PPR and the 2.11 RBs have me thinking I might just start WR-WR-WR, can usually end up with three of the top 13 wideouts.
 
lemme get this straight...

Kareem Hunt received two offers this week and both times left town without a deal?
Kareem Hunt clearly believes his worth more than NFL teams believe that Kareem Hunt is worth.

Very likely because they have eyes and watched him play last year. But that’s just a theory.
 
I'm not sure what was offered, but I can't fault Hunt or Zeke for being a little bit picky and not accepting an offer from the first team that will have them. There will be injuries to 1s and prominent 2s at the RB position and there's a decent chance that the next man up to help pick up the slack isn't going to be as attractive as Hunt or Zeke.

Is Indy a great backup spot to be if JT comes back to camp? Not really. If we get closer to the opener and the possibility of a JT return looks more remote, then I'm sure they will be able to get a deal done if the Colts don't go somewhere else.

New Orleans could be an okay option if nothing better shakes out. Put out three weeks of tape playing with Jamaal while Kamara is suspended. Maybe Miller gets the rookie treatment during that time off of the MCL. Either way, Hunt probably gets cut when Kamara is back if Williams and Miller are both healthy. Really can't fault Hunt for seeing if something more permanent opens up. Or maybe Indy or New Orleans blinks and ups their offer a bit.
 
Free agent RB Kareem Hunt is visiting the Vikings.
Hunt visited with the Saints earlier this week and was expected to sign. However, the Colts called him up as he was headed to New Orleans to schedule a visit of their own. He left both cities without a contract and now has another suitor in the Vikings. Multiple beat reporters have noted that the backups in Minnesota have left a lot to be desired and Kene Nwangwu is currently sidelined with an injury. Should Hunt join the mix in Minnesota, he would be a good bet to earn the No. 2 role behind Alexander Mattison.
 
Free agent RB Kareem Hunt is visiting the Vikings.
Hunt visited with the Saints earlier this week and was expected to sign. However, the Colts called him up as he was headed to New Orleans to schedule a visit of their own. He left both cities without a contract and now has another suitor in the Vikings. Multiple beat reporters have noted that the backups in Minnesota have left a lot to be desired and Kene Nwangwu is currently sidelined with an injury. Should Hunt join the mix in Minnesota, he would be a good bet to earn the No. 2 role behind Alexander Mattison.
Keeps getting better. From the worst situation the Saints, improved to the Colts and even better Minn. now. Only concern now is how good
Chandler looked last night.
 
Free agent RB Kareem Hunt is visiting the Vikings.
Hunt visited with the Saints earlier this week and was expected to sign. However, the Colts called him up as he was headed to New Orleans to schedule a visit of their own. He left both cities without a contract and now has another suitor in the Vikings. Multiple beat reporters have noted that the backups in Minnesota have left a lot to be desired and Kene Nwangwu is currently sidelined with an injury. Should Hunt join the mix in Minnesota, he would be a good bet to earn the No. 2 role behind Alexander Mattison.
Keeps getting better. From the worst situation the Saints, improved to the Colts and even better Minn. now. Only concern now is how good
Chandler looked last night.
Great points. If Hunt cannot beat out Chandler (and I'm not suggesting he would), is it going to matter where he signs?
 
Free agent RB Kareem Hunt is visiting the Vikings.
Hunt visited with the Saints earlier this week and was expected to sign. However, the Colts called him up as he was headed to New Orleans to schedule a visit of their own. He left both cities without a contract and now has another suitor in the Vikings. Multiple beat reporters have noted that the backups in Minnesota have left a lot to be desired and Kene Nwangwu is currently sidelined with an injury. Should Hunt join the mix in Minnesota, he would be a good bet to earn the No. 2 role behind Alexander Mattison.
Keeps getting better. From the worst situation the Saints, improved to the Colts and even better Minn. now. Only concern now is how good
Chandler looked last night.
Great points. If Hunt cannot beat out Chandler (and I'm not suggesting he would), is it going to matter where he signs?
True, guess I'm getting sucked in to the pre season hype once anything happens.
 
Free agent RB Kareem Hunt is visiting the Vikings.
Hunt visited with the Saints earlier this week and was expected to sign. However, the Colts called him up as he was headed to New Orleans to schedule a visit of their own. He left both cities without a contract and now has another suitor in the Vikings. Multiple beat reporters have noted that the backups in Minnesota have left a lot to be desired and Kene Nwangwu is currently sidelined with an injury. Should Hunt join the mix in Minnesota, he would be a good bet to earn the No. 2 role behind Alexander Mattison.
Keeps getting better. From the worst situation the Saints, improved to the Colts and even better Minn. now. Only concern now is how good
Chandler looked last night.
Great points. If Hunt cannot beat out Chandler (and I'm not suggesting he would), is it going to matter where he signs?
I have a feeling they’re looking for a receiving back rather than a Mattison/Chandler replacement - might just mean they want Hunt over McBride.

Just guessing here - Ty looked good. I don’t see Hunt going to MIN & vaulting over Ty on the depth chart. I could be wrong. :shrug:

Right now I don’t see Hunt going anywhere if he thinks he’s going to get a fat paycheck I find it hard to believe MIN will pay him more than INDY or NOS was offering, whatever that was.
 
lemme get this straight...

Kareem Hunt received two offers this week and both times left town without a deal?
Kareem Hunt clearly believes his worth more than NFL teams believe that Kareem Hunt is worth.

Very likely because they have eyes and watched him play last year. But that’s just a theory.
I'm a little more optimistic on Hunt than most. He was having a decent season, getting 10+ carries most weeks and averaging around 4.5 yards a carry, right up to week 13. That was the week Watson made his return and really tanked. From then on Hunt was given around 4 carries a game to close out the season as the offense was funneled through Watson/Chubb. It wasn't like he had a terrible season, more like a terrible 4 weeks to end the year. Not a world beater, but if he signs up with the Vikings he could help your team, beating out Mattison wouldn't be a shocker .
 
lemme get this straight...

Kareem Hunt received two offers this week and both times left town without a deal?
Kareem Hunt clearly believes his worth more than NFL teams believe that Kareem Hunt is worth.

Very likely because they have eyes and watched him play last year. But that’s just a theory.
I'm a little more optimistic on Hunt than most. He was having a decent season, getting 10+ carries most weeks and averaging around 4.5 yards a carry, right up to week 13. That was the week Watson made his return and really tanked. From then on Hunt was given around 4 carries a game to close out the season as the offense was funneled through Watson/Chubb. It wasn't like he had a terrible season, more like a terrible 4 weeks to end the year. Not a world beater, but if he signs up with the Vikings he could help your team, beating out Mattison wouldn't be a shocker .
I hope your on to something here as a Hunt Stan. Not sure if it is reality or wishful thinking but he just turned 28, has low usage, and never relied on speed. It seems a little pre mature that he fell off a cliff last year.
 

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