RB Kareem Hunt, KC (4 Viewers)

[RaidersAreOne]

it should be his backfield again.

I agree, but who do we think plays the McKinnon role best? When both were healthy it was around a 60/40 split, no?

I thought Pacheco was getting a ton of the passing downs early through the first couple games no?

 

[jabarony]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

 

[FantasyGuru24]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

 

[Bri]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

Any Reid's career says it'll be a share

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

I agree with the point made that Reid has no incentive to rush Pacheco back. Take fresh legs into the playoffs. Hunt is going to wear out his treads for these regular season wins.

 

[travdogg]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's (Hunt) 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

....I read pretty-much valid info there @travdogg, interesting post. Your bolded text is where I think our preferences regarding Hunt differ. I value the volume & TD's Hunt will gladly grind out until Reid gives him a break for a few plays.

 

[LawFitz]

Prime Kareem Hunt >>> Isiah Pacheco

Fresh-legs 29-yr-old Hunt > Pacheco

Worn-down 29-yr-old Hunt <?< Pacheco

Hunt's YPC each game this season below. He better reverse this trend or this backfield will be returned to Pacheco as soon as the latter is ready to take it back...

Wk 4 @LAC 4.93
Wk 5 NO 3.78
Wk 6 BYE
Wk 7 @SF 3.55
Wk 8 @LV 2.81

 

[Bad_Mo2]

Prime Kareem Hunt >>> Isiah Pacheco

Fresh-legs 29-yr-old Hunt > Pacheco

Worn-down 29-yr-old Hunt <?< Pacheco

Hunt's YPC each game this season below. He better reverse this trend or this backfield will be returned to Pacheco as soon as the latter is ready to take it back...

Wk 4 @LAC 4.93
Wk 5 NO 3.78
Wk 6 BYE
Wk 7 @SF 3.55
Wk 8 @LV 2.81

Looks like old man Hunt may be hitting a wall. Better than hitting other things.

 

[markrc99]

Pretty sure Hunt has obliterated every expectation of his detractors. Accordingly, while his snap share ranks 22nd, his opportunity share of nearly 75% is 8th in the NFL. That clear tendency may have a lot to do with his YPC rate declining. But they've since added DeAndre Hopkins. Worst case neutral, but if he factors, what could that mean?

 

[travdogg]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's (Hunt) 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

....I read pretty-much valid info there @travdogg, interesting post. Your bolded text is where I think our preferences regarding Hunt differ. I value the volume & TD's Hunt will gladly grind out until Reid gives him a break for a few plays.

Not saying he's worthless, I'm saying his current workload is unsustainable, and a better RB is only a few weeks away. Hunt is a solid RB2 right now, but that's tenuous. I would be selling him anywhere I had him, and there have been some wild Hunt trades lately. For example I've seen:

Hunt for Nabers
Hunt/Flowers/Love for Taylor/Tua
Hunt/Kyler for Daniels
Hunt for DeVonta Smith
Hunt for Harrison

I'd rather be on the non-Hunt side of all of those deals (the top one is ludicrous to me, but there are bad traders aplenty)

 

[markrc99]

"Not saying he's worthless, I'm saying his current workload is unsustainable, and a better RB is only a few weeks away. Hunt is a solid RB2 right now, but that's tenuous. I would be selling him anywhere I had him, and there have been some wild Hunt trades lately. ... I'd rather be on the non-Hunt side of all of those deals (...)"

Completely agree here, buying high would seem risky. Although, on top of the addition of a top WR, we're hearing Pacheco won't even be returning to the practice field for several more weeks? I'm someone who moved James Cook for Jayden Daniels & draft capital. So Hunt has helped me a lot!

 

[dipandglide]

Sell high in redraft and dynasty

 

[JohnnyU]

Sell high in redraft and dynasty

Too late for that. Just be thankful he helped your team while it lasted.

 

[dipandglide]

Sell high in redraft and dynasty

Too late for that. Just be thankful he helped your team while it lasted.

You should be able to get a 3rd in dynasty leagues

 

[JohnnyU]

Sell high in redraft and dynasty

Too late for that. Just be thankful he helped your team while it lasted.

You should be able to get a 3rd in dynasty leagues

A smart dynasty player wouldn’t give that with Pacheco due back.

 

[Ray_T]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's (Hunt) 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

....I read pretty-much valid info there @travdogg, interesting post. Your bolded text is where I think our preferences regarding Hunt differ. I value the volume & TD's Hunt will gladly grind out until Reid gives him a break for a few plays.

Not saying he's worthless, I'm saying his current workload is unsustainable, and a better RB is only a few weeks away. Hunt is a solid RB2 right now, but that's tenuous. I would be selling him anywhere I had him, and there have been some wild Hunt trades lately. For example I've seen:

Hunt for Nabers
Hunt/Flowers/Love for Taylor/Tua
Hunt/Kyler for Daniels
Hunt for DeVonta Smith
Hunt for Harrison

I'd rather be on the non-Hunt side of all of those deals (the top one is ludicrous to me, but there are bad traders aplenty)

of course its tenuous. Hes an injury filler. which is why Reid will run him into the ground. Hes not worried about saving him for the playoffs. Pacheco will be the guy for the playoffs. Hunt is a RB2 with some RB1 upside if game script and/or matchup allows.

and honestly, that is good enough for me (for now at least)

 

[Judge Smails]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's (Hunt) 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

....I read pretty-much valid info there @travdogg, interesting post. Your bolded text is where I think our preferences regarding Hunt differ. I value the volume & TD's Hunt will gladly grind out until Reid gives him a break for a few plays.

Not saying he's worthless, I'm saying his current workload is unsustainable, and a better RB is only a few weeks away. Hunt is a solid RB2 right now, but that's tenuous. I would be selling him anywhere I had him, and there have been some wild Hunt trades lately. For example I've seen:

Hunt for Nabers
Hunt/Flowers/Love for Taylor/Tua
Hunt/Kyler for Daniels
Hunt for DeVonta Smith
Hunt for Harrison

I'd rather be on the non-Hunt side of all of those deals (the top one is ludicrous to me, but there are bad traders aplenty)

I traded Hunt for Pickens after losing Aiyuk/Godwin

 

[georg013]

Found this interesting…

From another forum:
Poster: St. Stephen

“According to the Inside Injury guys at The Athletic, with this injury it typically takes "5-6 weeks of ramp up time" after starting to initially practice on the injury...they don't consider speed walking on the treadmill actually starting to ramp up...take it for what it's worth, but they are usually pretty accurate--if not maybe conservative. There is also the added matter of the ankle ligament stuff for Pacheco. I have more Pacheco stashes on IR then I do active Hunt shares...I just tend to be pragmatic when it comes to injury optimism. Hunt has already paid off in spades and I think that continues for a solid stretch yet.”

Hmmm…

 

[FantasyGuru24]

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's (Hunt) 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

....I read pretty-much valid info there @travdogg, interesting post. Your bolded text is where I think our preferences regarding Hunt differ. I value the volume & TD's Hunt will gladly grind out until Reid gives him a break for a few plays.

Not saying he's worthless, I'm saying his current workload is unsustainable, and a better RB is only a few weeks away. Hunt is a solid RB2 right now, but that's tenuous. I would be selling him anywhere I had him, and there have been some wild Hunt trades lately. For example I've seen:

Hunt for Nabers
Hunt/Flowers/Love for Taylor/Tua
Hunt/Kyler for Daniels
Hunt for DeVonta Smith
Hunt for Harrison

I'd rather be on the non-Hunt side of all of those deals (the top one is ludicrous to me, but there are bad traders aplenty

This is Hunt’s backfield.

Says you

Says the last 5 weeks.

The last 5 weeks he's been mediocre at best and not shown himself to be better than Pacheco at anything other than maybe GL work?

Pacheco gets through the hole faster, Pacheco is a better receiver, Pacheco is a better pass blocker. Maybe those things weren't always the case, but they sure are in 2024. Hunt is no longer a quality passing game option, offers no big play ability, and basically just gets what is blocked. One can argue the latter is true of Pacheco as well, but there is a very good reason why Pacheco was the clear cur starter coming into the season, and Hunt was unemployed.

Hunt now has 84 carries without a run over 15 yards, despite an elite run blocking OL. He's literally the least explosive RB in the NFL. He's had 12 runs over 15 yards since 2021, meanwhile Pacheco (who had zero the first 2 games admittedly) had 13 last season, he's clearly the more explosive option.

Hunt has declined a lot since his peak, he's (Hunt) 100% living on volume and TDs. He's not playing well NFL-wise at all. He's been under 4.0 YPC every season since 2021, including this season. His rate stats are very similar to "washed" guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Jamaal Williams, he's just on a much more functional offense, where he's being fed. He's also been getting worse by the week.

When Pacheco is back, I fully expect him to get 60% of the carries, and all of the pass catching. I can see Hunt being a closer, and possibly getting short yardage, maybe it becomes sort of an Achane/Mostert (2024 version) split.

....I read pretty-much valid info there @travdogg, interesting post. Your bolded text is where I think our preferences regarding Hunt differ. I value the volume & TD's Hunt will gladly grind out until Reid gives him a break for a few plays.

Not saying he's worthless, I'm saying his current workload is unsustainable, and a better RB is only a few weeks away. Hunt is a solid RB2 right now, but that's tenuous. I would be selling him anywhere I had him, and there have been some wild Hunt trades lately. For example I've seen:

Hunt for Nabers
Hunt/Flowers/Love for Taylor/Tua
Hunt/Kyler for Daniels
Hunt for DeVonta Smith
Hunt for Harrison

I'd rather be on the non-Hunt side of all of those deals (the top one is ludicrous to me, but there are bad traders aplenty)

of course its tenuous. Hes an injury filler. which is why Reid will run him into the ground. Hes not worried about saving him for the playoffs. Pacheco will be the guy for the playoffs. Hunt is a RB2 with some RB1 upside if game script and/or matchup allows.

and honestly, that is good enough for me (for now at least)

How do you know Pacheco will be the same .. Tony Pollard with the same injury and had an entire off season to rehab and looked marketably slower the following year and we expect Pacheco to be his usual self after only 2 months out of football?

 

[Tigerpop]

I always thought it was basically Hunts job all fantasy season. It’s not realistic to think Pacheco was just gonna jump on the field and carry the load right away.
Sure they just want him straight in late Dec and Jan.

 

[Ray_T]

I always thought it was basically Hunts job all fantasy season. It’s not realistic to think Pacheco was just gonna jump on the field and carry the load right away.
Sure they just want him straight in late Dec and Jan.

well, we shall see. you may be right.

How do you know Pacheco will be the same .. Tony Pollard with the same injury and had an entire off season to rehab and looked marketably slower the following year and we expect Pacheco to be his usual self after only 2 months out of football?

you guys both make a fair point. I should think more about this before I yap. though each injury is unique but I am gonna look into the details of this. if it is the exact same as pollards, it did take him quite some time to get to full speed.

 

[georg013]

Isiah Pacheco injury update: Chiefs RB eyeing late November return after fracturing fibula, per report

Pacheco could begin practicing within the next two to three weeks

www.cbssports.com

Possibly returning to practice in 2-3 weeks. Factor in a ramp up period, could be back by fantasy playoffs at which point he will likely make this backfield useless. Pacheco owners getting excited about his return are making a grave mistake. Hunt owners take notice. Get your contingency plans in order now. I am a seeker of truth, not being right so I post what I find.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

Still a beast

 

[markrc99]

Still a beast

I'll admit it, when Otten scored & my opponent went ahead I knew it was over! A night's sleep instantly became way more valuable. Was shocked to learn that he scored the game-winner for them & me. Those 1st half looks he was getting were absolute junk!! Perine was getting better looks than he was. Any number of 1st down, run-set carries with no misdirection. Or, Mahomes in that semi-gun, Hunt just standing there flat-footed while their faking the fake. Those went NOWHERE!

In the 2nd half Mahomes is under center, Hunt is set deep & they bring him. He is still a load to get to the ground. He also had carries when Tampa was defending pass. Way better looks in the 2nd half.

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[Faust]

Sal Vetri
Isiah Pacheco is OUT.

Kareem Hunt is a must start this week.

He’ll face the Panthers who allow the most rushing yards per game.

Expect Pacheco to return Friday against the Raiders…

x.com

x.com

 

[JohnnyU]

One more week stay of execution.

 

[joey]

One more week stay of execution.

Smoke em if you got em

 

[markrc99]

Ha-ha, you guys are hilarious!

 

[Goooals]

Anyone holding on to Hunt as an insurance policy or safe to drop him at this point?

 

[Jppaul]

Anyone holding on to Hunt as an insurance policy or safe to drop him at this point?

I have to keep him as Kenneth walker is out and my only other RB is Pacheco.

 

[Loris]

Anyone holding on to Hunt as an insurance policy or safe to drop him at this point?

I wouldn't drop him yet. There has to be a under performing WR3 on your bench you never play...

 

[Faust]

Ian Rapoport
Source: The #Chiefs are bringing back veteran RB Kareem Hunt on a 1-year, $1.5M deal with incentives.

https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1900603155353608463?s=61

Dave Kluge
Kareem Hunt doesn’t have the burst and speed his did early in his career. But he was by far the best running back in Kansas City last year.

He’s patient and disciplined and never a liability. Don’t be surprised if he leads the backfield in touches next year.

https://x.com/davekluge/status/1900609836951499132?s=61