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RB Kareem Hunt, KC (3 Viewers)
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
They have zero reason to rush him back and zero reason to sit Hunt after what he’s shown
ChiefD
Footballguy
Yep. He finds holes that Pachecho has no idea exists.
Reid fills a massive vacuum for the Chiefs - short yardage and goal line. That opens up a world of possibilities for play calling for Reid on downs 1,2, and 3.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I admit I was more pessimistic of his return timeline before there was clarification that he didn't need his ligaments repaired during surgery. I know pro athletes like him can come back to full strength faster than most people and has all the resources available etc, but I don't think 6 weeks is realistic. But I do agree that when he deemed ready for games again that they will immediately start getting him involved again. I think it will be light at first and the thing is that Hunt might really be worn down by then. I don't think it's crazy to think Pacheco takes it back over or renders a split. I just don't think it will be in time to make a difference. And I'm skeptical of the timeline. It said "at least 6 weeks" up to 8. I don't see him getting up to gamespeed before ~10 weeks and that puts him back in like week 12 or 13. That's fine. Even if he comes back a game or two earlier I'm getting what I want/need out of Hunt.
But I absolutely see a path for Pacheco to take the main role back.
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
Tony Pollard was clearly impacted by his fibula fracture until November 2023 after an injury that occurred in January 2023. That's my clearest indication that even if Pacheco returns this year, he won't immediately be the de facto top dog in the backfield. Hunt can give Pacheco the time he needs to truly hit 100% recovery, and has shown that he hasn't hurt the team's win%, which is the only factor the Chiefs care about. If Hunt starts to struggle, there may be more incentive to see if Pacheco can get on the field for the NFL Playoffs, but why risk him until then?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Hunt is at least a notch below Pacheco. Both are bulls, but Pacheco is quite a bit more explosive.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a RBBC depending on how close to 100% Pacheco is (and he's certainly returning this season if there's no setbacks). I also could see Pacheco getting 75% of the touches if he looks like himself.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a RBBC depending on how close to 100% Pacheco is (and he's certainly returning this season if there's no setbacks). I also could see Pacheco getting 75% of the touches if he looks like himself.
This is what I was going to say. Hunt is better short yardage and getting positive yards when nothing is there. Pacheco is more explosive for bigger gains and plays. They are actually really complimentary players to each other.
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
trying to win games is a good reason
I feel like I'm not seeing what everyone else is. Hunt has looked pretty average to me, and his value is 100% volume related. He's not breaking tackles, he's not catching passes, and he's not explosive (none of his 41 attempts have gone for over 15 yards.) Hunt has worn down each of the last 3 years, and I think if he keeps up this workload, it'll be 4 years, and it'll be quick.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I don't know what makes people think Pacheco is explosive. He runs angry and has burst but he has exactly 2 carries over 10 yards this year. None that were 20. His longest carry was 11. Very similar to Hunt
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Fully agree that Pacheco isn't that explosive either. I think its that 4.3 40 that makes people think he's something he's not.
I would argue Pacheco is a better receiver than Hunt (in 2024, Hunt was better several years ago) and a better tackle breaker (again in 2024) and I worry very much about Hunt being at his peak right now. Feels like a great sell high to me.
they dont want him rusty going into the playoffs. I think the goal is to give him 2 or 3 games before playoff time if they are able.
they at least want him in game shape. and you dont get there by just playing with the practice squad while rehabbing.
me too. in one league I grabbed Steele, and in another I got Hunt.
the league I got Steele, he was solid for 1 game but once Hunt was in there, it was all his backfield. but at least one of my leagues will get the full benefit.
georg013
Footballguy
So, two weeks in off the couch, we think we have seen the best he has to offer? He’s completely grasped the offense, is running without thinking, and has gelled with the offensive line? It’s wild to me how much trust he has already been given. Has Pacheco ever received 27 carries in a game? Just wondering. Trying to figure out value here. Thanks in advance.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Hunt looks surprisingly spry and explosive for a guy that didn’t have any mini or training camp .. He knows how to slither through crowded spaces and always picks up a few extra yards by falling forward because he’s a BULL .. Giving Andy and Patty 3rd and 3 every 4 downs is like playing Madden on rookie mode, they’ll pick and pop you to death .. Btw, Hunt did take a pass out the backfield for 15 yards .. So there’s your explosiveness lol jk .. KC doesn’t need him to be explosive for the record. As long as he keeps the chains moving and punches it in when they’re in the red zone/goal line .. The way the Chiefs played against the Saints is going to be the game script going forward .. Kelce/Juju/Gray/Fortson running underneath .. XWorthy taking the top of the defense .. And Hunt busting that run defense open so when they’re overcommit it’s a play action deep pass to Worthy for a 60 yard touch.
of course not. there are players that get all the way through camp and exhibition who dont have the whole playbook memorized. but learning the whole offense in a week. its rare that someone can do that.
but Hunt has played with Reid before so I suspect a lot of the playbook he knew. Maybe the cadence for the plays has been tweaked some and maybe some of the plays slightly altered to account for the defenses of today but most of the plays likely have not changed much.
so I think he was able to pick this up faster than most. (likely the reason they picked him up in the first place)
but I'm betting he knows the base offense fairly well already. sure there is some upside still but there will still be both good and bad matchups but the good news is.... Reid knows how to get the most out of him. he was productive here before and I expect that to continue
I am in the same boat here. I'm hearing that CEH, when healthy, will split time with Hunt. KC has major injury problems this year and they are doing what they can to find ways to win games.
Until Hunt proves them wrong, I think they ride him as long as he will hold up with CEH giving way for rest periods only. I also agree their goal is to get Pacheco back in game shape before the playoffs. No need to rush him back if they are winning and clearly in the playoff picture. Although not easy, they have proven they can win the SB from the wildcard spot.
I guess I'm saying that IMO, Hunt is still undervalued at this point.
I think not. CEH isnt half the player.
he will get some touches, but likely enough to cut Hunt down to 20 touches (give or take) per game.
I doubt he gets more than that. CEH hasnt been good in quite some time and arguably was never THAT good to begin with.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hunt is not immortal though. RBs get hurt. It’s part of the landscape. Hunt is neither young, nor without his own injury history.
I’m not saying he’s guaranteed to get dinged up, but in FF circles we tend to look at snapshots in time and believe in that reality.
But our reality shifts week to week. We’re only in week 5, and I’ve managed to start Chase Brown, Tracey, Bigsby, and Sermon.
Kareem Hunt is a fine score at the moment. Moments change fast. If I have Hunt and good RB depth, I probably deal him for something while his value is high. If someone’s offering me a 2nd in Dynasty it’s a snap accept.
But that’s just me. YMMV.
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hamsterdam
Footballguy
when i saw hunt catch the classic andy reid shovel pass from that pistol-y formation in his first game back vs the chargers, i knew the playbook was of no worry. seeing that convinced me he was going to be the full timer after that game. i don't know how much they run that play with pacheco, but i knew damn well they wouldn't be calling that with steele. IIRC they had hunt lined up there on the play before perine rushed it in also.
georg013
Footballguy
Watching the game, he still didn’t even look to be in peak condition yet. I don’t know. I just have this strange feeling that, after the bye, this guy is going to be a monster. He methodically wore down the Saints defense two weeks after watching reruns of Martin on Netflix all day. Imagine him with three weeks of film, conditioning, and game reps. Yikes. He has transformed the entire offensive identity from “speed” and emotion (Pacheco) to I’m going to punch you into submission. He should have had a second touchdown but they got cute trying to force feed Mahomes a touchdown toss. I plan to see what I have in this guy. Not sure how many 25 carry guys are out there that I can depend on week in and week out. Maybe some of your teams are loaded at the position and have that luxury. I don’t.
markrc99
Footballguy
Amen brother! It appeared to me that his 1st game back it was a bit much for him, especially late, to get back up off the ground each time. Below is every week 5 carry, the worst hit I saw was @1:14 into the video. There were a few others but I thought he played well. He's an experienced ball-carrier who's low & strong.
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Recognizing that the credibility of online sources aren't always trustworthy & I wouldn't know but here's another one echoing what Willie's source was contending. This source (10/02) initially says he'd gotten mixed info, that the procedure was clean but then there was reporting of ligament damage. In the comment section, down below the pills, a B. Tyler notes that if Pacheco' leg is: "non weight bearing for 6-8 weeks how can we possibly see him on the field as NFL RB right after that? It takes months to regain that strength..." An observation Dr. Morse agreed with.
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the moops
Footballguy
Where you hearing this?
JAA
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
Oh go on, how does this story end?
JAA
Footballguy
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to be clear, hes an injury replacement. was sitting on the couch when they phoned him.
for what he is, hes great, but hes not going to usurp the starter. This is still Pachecos job once he is fully healthy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I traded him so not my concern anymore. I still think he’s involved when Pacheco comes back
involved? Yes of course. it will likely start as a 50-50 split when Pacheco first returns, and as Pacheco gets his legs under him he will take a larger part of the workload. What we dont know is where Pachecos share maxes out.
my guess is this ends up a 60-40 split. (give or take)
Yenrub
Footballguy
Initial reports said Pacheco would be out 6-8 weeks. Allegedly the surgery was successful and there are reports about him already running on the treadmill.
I heard that too. but running on a treadmill is a lot different than running with burst and making cuts at full speed. I'd say hes got at least a couple weeks yet til we see him. (maybe a little more)
georg013
Footballguy
I’ve heard that. But was has the organization said about his return? Why are they so quiet? Especially if he is close to returning and sprinting/cutting on treadmills?
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
I haven't been to the gym in a while, how do you cut on a treadmill?
nittanylion
Footballguy
Purely my opinion, but if I was a Chiefs decision maker, and I was winning with an effective combo of Hunt/Perine, I'd leave Pacheco out of the equation for as long as possible.
We're approaching the halfway point in the Season, the Chiefs are 7-0, and hold a 2-games-in-the-loss-column lead over the other contenders for the AFC's #1 Seed/Home Field Advantage. The Chiefs, as they exist right now, would have to experience a significant drop-off in performance to finish 13-4 or worse. 14-3 is achievable, and IMHO, there's not another Team in the AFC that can finish with that record, or better. 7-3 over the next 10 games, that gets the job done.
Bring that slashing, punishing runner back as an added weapon for the Playoff/Super Bowl 3-peat run. Yeah, that's the ticket, IMHO.
I said this in another thread about the Chiefs WR situation, in regards to Andy Reid's decision-making tree, he's a big 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' guy, who's M.O. is to exhaust all options available on either the active roster or in-house, before bringing a reserve player back early from injury, or going outside the organization to find a solution.
Hunt, until the wheels fall off.
We're approaching the halfway point in the Season, the Chiefs are 7-0, and hold a 2-games-in-the-loss-column lead over the other contenders for the AFC's #1 Seed/Home Field Advantage. The Chiefs, as they exist right now, would have to experience a significant drop-off in performance to finish 13-4 or worse. 14-3 is achievable, and IMHO, there's not another Team in the AFC that can finish with that record, or better. 7-3 over the next 10 games, that gets the job done.
Bring that slashing, punishing runner back as an added weapon for the Playoff/Super Bowl 3-peat run. Yeah, that's the ticket, IMHO.
I said this in another thread about the Chiefs WR situation, in regards to Andy Reid's decision-making tree, he's a big 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' guy, who's M.O. is to exhaust all options available on either the active roster or in-house, before bringing a reserve player back early from injury, or going outside the organization to find a solution.
Hunt, until the wheels fall off.
georg013
Footballguy
That’s what I’m wondering! The stories are all over the place. I can’t keep up.
for sure. best thing is when Pacheco returns, there wont actually be a lot of recent tape for playoff teams to look at with respect to stopping the run game and Pacheco does have a different style than the other runners in the KC offense.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I see Pacheco returning in 2 weeks and it should be his backfield again. Of course Hunt will get some touches, especially in the RZ, but Hunt is clearly RB2 in my eyes.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
This is Hunt’s backfield.
I agree, but who do we think plays the McKinnon role best? When both were healthy it was around a 60/40 split, no?
