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RB Kareem Hunt, KC (1 Viewer)

Ravens could offer Justin Tucker for Taylor, but they already have a $20+M kicker. It is the Dolts though, they might want another.
 
If Hunt has offers on the table, why come back to a team that broke up with you like that? Lenny Fournette is the chain mover and Ford showing he can break the big ones.
 
JohnnyU said:
I don't see his value being much better than it was when he was last with the Browns (if he is signed again). Ford is going to have to fall on his face for that to change IMO.
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Yep. So many variables. Is Hunt the Jerry rice type of guy that was training to hit the floor running? Is he more JaMarcus Russell type? They let him go for a reason thinking Ford could play that role. I think absolute best case scenario it's a 50/50 split. My gut says Ford gets the most work.
 
Don't judge me but I'm in 25 non-BB redraft leagues in national type contest.

My second and third most drafted RB's are Ford and Hunt. Hunt clocking in on 11/25 teams and Ford on 9/25. Somehow they only overlapped once so I got 19/25 teams with one of them.

I was a little disappointed about that, would have preferred I had them on the same team and could not believe the lack of overlap. Oh well, still relative to what I paid for them very glad to have them both should Hunt sign with them.

And I sure can't say I don't have a horse in the race, I just don't care which wins and only hope one does and it's clear. I'm a longtime Hunt truther but every action the Browns have undertaken and said clearly suggests that it's Ford's job to lose.
 
FarFromHome said:
JohnnyU said:
I don't see his value being much better than it was when he was last with the Browns (if he is signed again). Ford is going to have to fall on his face for that to change IMO.
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Yep. So many variables. Is Hunt the Jerry rice type of guy that was training to hit the floor running? Is he more JaMarcus Russell type? They let him go for a reason thinking Ford could play that role. I think absolute best case scenario it's a 50/50 split. My gut says Ford gets the most work.
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Hunt had already begun to fade before he was cut. Everyone needs to get it out of their head that he is the same Kareem Hunt with the Chiefs. I believe any hype surrounding Hunt is purely on name recognition alone.

.....but I reserve the right to change my mind ;)
 
JohnnyU said:
Hunt had already begun to fade before he was cut. Everyone needs to get it out of their head that he is the same Kareem Hunt with the Chiefs. I believe any hype surrounding Hunt is purely on name recognition alone.
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This X100. Always been a fan, but he was donzo last year.
 
I think it’s Ford’s backfield now, by a lot. They obviously like and trust him and he looked great last night. I’d just be happy to see Hunt sign somewhere at this point.
 
Not sold on Ford. He averaged 1.5 ypc last season on admittedly very very few touches. He average 2.6 ypc last night if we remove his highest and lowest carry. He averaged 2.4 on 15 touches in week one.

I concede that tossing out his 69 yd run is cherry picking. But, it was a fluky run where he reversed field after the hole closed up and the defender didn't stay home. He still deserves credit for that but schews every other carry he has ever had in the NFL.

Mostly, I am just not ready to conclude that one good carry in two years means he has the job locked down when he has averaged 2.2 ypc over his other 38 nfl carries. Lots left to be determined.
 
JohnnyU said:
FarFromHome said:
JohnnyU said:
I don't see his value being much better than it was when he was last with the Browns (if he is signed again). Ford is going to have to fall on his face for that to change IMO.
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Yep. So many variables. Is Hunt the Jerry rice type of guy that was training to hit the floor running? Is he more JaMarcus Russell type? They let him go for a reason thinking Ford could play that role. I think absolute best case scenario it's a 50/50 split. My gut says Ford gets the most work.
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Hunt had already begun to fade before he was cut. Everyone needs to get it out of their head that he is the same Kareem Hunt with the Chiefs. I believe any hype surrounding Hunt is purely on name recognition alone.

.....but I reserve the right to change my mind ;)
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He was not cut by the Browns, his contract just ran out. That distinction may mean nothing to you but it might to others.

I'm on record multiple times in this thread as saying I believe he has more of a down season then is toast and that was due in large part to contract/trade distractions. I don't think anyone believes he's the Chiefs version of himself and I personally don't view any 28 year old RB with any kind of halfway decent usage as being what they used to be. Some decline a little, some are shells of themselves. We'll see where he's at and it's possible his decline is more on the severe path. I will admit the league being so lukewarm on him when he was made available in a trade and in FA has me doubting myself a little but we've all been wrong before, even them as a collective whole. But his lack of massive wear and tear due to sitting out a year and sharing the load with Chubb has always led me to think he should not washed yet so much as just suffering some decline.
 
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I concede that tossing out his 69 yd run is cherry picking. But, it was a fluky run where he reversed field after the hole closed up and the defender didn't stay home. He still deserves credit for that but schews every other carry he has ever had in the NFL.
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As good of a run as that was, reversing across the entire field, it was fluky. That virtually never works, but the whole D was out of position. Kudos to Ford, but the rest of the runs were pretty pedestrian.
 
At this point I have no earthly idea what Hunt has left in the tank. Last year wasn't exactly a resume building performance but I am leaning towards him not having entirely fallen off the cliff.
 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
da_budman said:
Is there a veteran minimum a team HAS TO pay Hunt if they sign him and if so what is that number?
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According to BraveBot:

As of 20 Sep 2023, the minimum salary for an NFL player is $750,000 for rookies during their debut season, which increases to $870,000 for players with one year of experience and $940,000 for players with two years of experience.1 However, this minimum figure does not guarantee that a player will receive the entirety of that amount.2 The minimum salary for players who have been in the league for at least seven seasons or more increases to $1.165 million.0 The 2021 NFL season will be the first in which players are required to make a minimum salary of $1,000,000.3 A player with no credited seasons in the NFL making the league minimum in 2023 would receive $41,667 each week they are on the roster.4
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Somewhere around $1.1 million, not sure if any is guaranteed or if it is all prorated per week.
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Ahhh thanks. I thought maybe the number might be higher making it cost prohibitive to sign some of these vets but doesnt seem so. Now whether they are willing to sign for that "little" is another story. Unless I am mistaken their salary is no longer guaranteed after the season starts. Im guessing Hunt signs with the browns for more than the minimum.
 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
da_budman said:
Is there a veteran minimum a team HAS TO pay Hunt if they sign him and if so what is that number?
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According to BraveBot:

As of 20 Sep 2023, the minimum salary for an NFL player is $750,000 for rookies during their debut season, which increases to $870,000 for players with one year of experience and $940,000 for players with two years of experience.1 However, this minimum figure does not guarantee that a player will receive the entirety of that amount.2 The minimum salary for players who have been in the league for at least seven seasons or more increases to $1.165 million.0 The 2021 NFL season will be the first in which players are required to make a minimum salary of $1,000,000.3 A player with no credited seasons in the NFL making the league minimum in 2023 would receive $41,667 each week they are on the roster.4
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Somewhere around $1.1 million, not sure if any is guaranteed or if it is all prorated per week.
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Not guaranteed as he was not on a roster on week 1 and is prorated per week.
 
Snoopy said:
Bozeman Bruiser said:
da_budman said:
Is there a veteran minimum a team HAS TO pay Hunt if they sign him and if so what is that number?
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According to BraveBot:

As of 20 Sep 2023, the minimum salary for an NFL player is $750,000 for rookies during their debut season, which increases to $870,000 for players with one year of experience and $940,000 for players with two years of experience.1 However, this minimum figure does not guarantee that a player will receive the entirety of that amount.2 The minimum salary for players who have been in the league for at least seven seasons or more increases to $1.165 million.0 The 2021 NFL season will be the first in which players are required to make a minimum salary of $1,000,000.3 A player with no credited seasons in the NFL making the league minimum in 2023 would receive $41,667 each week they are on the roster.4
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Somewhere around $1.1 million, not sure if any is guaranteed or if it is all prorated per week.
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Not guaranteed as he was not on a roster on week 1 and is prorated per week.
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Right. I think the problem/issue with Hunt was he wanted a big payday and no one was going to guarantee him that. Probably saw the $8mil Dalvin Cook got and thought he deserved the same? But Cook's contract is much closer to the minimum, the rest of the money comes with incentives so not that much of it was actually guaranteed, he'd practically have to make the Pro Bowl and carry them to a division win if Cook is going to make all that money. No one was going to give Hunt $8mil guaranteed starting week 1. However... now that we're in week 3, and the contract can be prorated, I think it's possibly more palatable to some teams to offer him a few hundred thousand per week and have the ability to cut him at any time if he doesn't pan out. For Hunt he'd think he's gonna get 15 paychecks and be happy seeing a number in the millions, and the team is happy there's only one comma they'd have to eat if he sucks.
 
Runkle said:
Snoopy said:
Bozeman Bruiser said:
da_budman said:
Is there a veteran minimum a team HAS TO pay Hunt if they sign him and if so what is that number?
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According to BraveBot:

As of 20 Sep 2023, the minimum salary for an NFL player is $750,000 for rookies during their debut season, which increases to $870,000 for players with one year of experience and $940,000 for players with two years of experience.1 However, this minimum figure does not guarantee that a player will receive the entirety of that amount.2 The minimum salary for players who have been in the league for at least seven seasons or more increases to $1.165 million.0 The 2021 NFL season will be the first in which players are required to make a minimum salary of $1,000,000.3 A player with no credited seasons in the NFL making the league minimum in 2023 would receive $41,667 each week they are on the roster.4
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Somewhere around $1.1 million, not sure if any is guaranteed or if it is all prorated per week.
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Not guaranteed as he was not on a roster on week 1 and is prorated per week.
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Right. I think the problem/issue with Hunt was he wanted a big payday and no one was going to guarantee him that. Probably saw the $8mil Dalvin Cook got and thought he deserved the same? But Cook's contract is much closer to the minimum, the rest of the money comes with incentives so not that much of it was actually guaranteed, he'd practically have to make the Pro Bowl and carry them to a division win if Cook is going to make all that money. No one was going to give Hunt $8mil guaranteed starting week 1. However... now that we're in week 3, and the contract can be prorated, I think it's possibly more palatable to some teams to offer him a few hundred thousand per week and have the ability to cut him at any time if he doesn't pan out. For Hunt he'd think he's gonna get 15 paychecks and be happy seeing a number in the millions, and the team is happy there's only one comma they'd have to eat if he sucks.
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Not to get off subject but all Dalvin has to do is be active for 17 weeks and he'll make $7M. Most of his pay is tied up on being active, very little in actual incentives.

Other then Dalvin's base of just over a million the rest of his money is mainly prorated week to week. $347k per week he's on the roster. It's an interesting contract to say the least.

That's way more then Hunt will ever receive but I sure can understand why Kareem would think he should at least get something like Zeke which is $2.1M guaranteed with a chance to earn close to $3m total with per game bonuses factored in, but I doubt he will get that much.
 
A lot depends on Hunt's psyche and work ethic the last three months, but in particular the last 6 weeks. It's like the hot chick who gains some weight in her late 20s and suddenly doesn't get as much attention. In response does she drown her frustration at the gym or in additional Twinkies?
 
LawFitz said:
A lot depends on Hunt's psyche and work ethic the last three months, but in particular the last 6 weeks. It's like the hot chick who gains some weight in her late 20s and suddenly doesn't get as much attention. In response does she drown her frustration at the gym or in additional Twinkies?
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Don't sign her to a long term contract. One year deal, with incentives.
 
Everyone was speculating that Hunt was waiting for the perfect scenario for him

i find it hard to believe he would sign back with the browns unless they told him he could start at some point, when hes football shape ready
 
ZADO said:
Everyone was speculating that Hunt was waiting for the perfect scenario for him

i find it hard to believe he would sign back with the browns unless they told him he could start at some point, when hes football shape ready
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Where would he find a better starting spot? IF he starts?
 
ZADO said:
Everyone was speculating that Hunt was waiting for the perfect scenario for him

i find it hard to believe he would sign back with the browns unless they told him he could start at some point, when hes football shape ready
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In this day and age, does anyone make these kinds of verbal commitments to a 28 year old player during negotiations? Wouldn't the player be foolish to put any stock in it if they did?

I think he'd be better off taking a page out of Lev'eon Bell's post Jets playbook - be an affordable piece that's part of an ensemble cast, then wash rinse repeat until you're 30.
 
Scooby1974 said:
ZADO said:
Everyone was speculating that Hunt was waiting for the perfect scenario for him

i find it hard to believe he would sign back with the browns unless they told him he could start at some point, when hes football shape ready
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Where would he find a better starting spot? IF he starts?
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That's the thing, I don't believe he ever starts over Ford without an injury and he may or may not believe that as well. Like I said earlier, he probably is no better than what he was previously with the Browns, a number 2. I don't have Ford in any league and only have Hunt in one.
 
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