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RB Kareem Hunt, KC (4 Viewers)

kutta said:
How about I highlight the part where people said they would pick him over Zeke, Bell, and DJ in dynasty?
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Id still take him over DJ in a startup. Taking a near 27 year old back as my first pick is not my style.

 
That's the thing. The OL is bad, he's not getting the carries...and he's still gonna crack 15 points in PPR easily. Not worried about him, I just hate this OL and I hate Reid's aversion to the run game at times. (no denying he can be a genius play designer/playcaller...but he gets cute and goes away from his stud RB's and he did it with Westbrook, McCoy, and Charles in the past too)

 
kutta said:
How about I highlight the part where people said they would pick him over Zeke, Bell, and DJ in dynasty?
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Absolutely, as long as it backs up your assertion of "that’s pretty much assuming he’s going to keep up the early pace".  All you gotta do is come up with one person that said they expected that Hunt would average 32 PPG. 

 
Hunt is a great real life football player but just a mediocre FF player now. Can we all just agree on this. O line is bad. They don't trust him in pass pro. Just a #2 RB going forward. 

 
conlilnew said:
Just like I said. West is in. Hunt is done scoring today. 
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They're screwed now by the INT, but Hunt rotates in with West in passing situations as well. I don't think we'd seen the end of Hunt, he's too explosive compared to West

Edit: I mean I get that for some idiotic reason Reid prefers West in those situations. But I don't think Hunt was done scoring for the day

 
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Hankmoody said:
Absolutely, as long as it backs up your assertion of "that’s pretty much assuming he’s going to keep up the early pace".  All you gotta do is come up with one person that said they expected that Hunt would average 32 PPG. 
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You’re kidding right? I know it’s tough to admit when you’re wrong about someone, but you should try it. It does a soul good.

 
Bronco Billy said:
It still astounds me that people are actually anything other than completely thrilled and content with having a plug-and-play matchup proof RB1 on their roster.
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Are you still standing by this statement? Can you at least admit that you were wrong for jumping down my throat for taking issue with it?

 
Just Win Baby said:
Nothing is ever static, and that is exactly part of the point. Players get injured, suspended, and/or traded on every team. Small sample size matters, especially as relates to schedule - as it turns out, Hunt had the good fortune to open with 2 of his 3 games against terrible run defenses (NE, LAC). To his credit, he took advantage and dominated them, but over the rest of his games he has been a low end RB1 at best. Still great value for where many got him, no doubt, but a far cry from Zeke/Bell, as many were claiming 5 weeks ago.
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Not hardly. My post from a month ago was quoted as an “I told you so” statement about Hunt’s talent level and ability. The person who quoted me essentially mocked my saying that 20 TDs was within the realm of possibility. Yet at the time I said that, it was not an unrealistic suggestion given the play-style of the Chiefs. They played good defense, kept games close and ran the ball 20+ times a game. With consistent workload and play-style I still think 20 TDs was a solid projection, based on the sample size. We can only project based on what we know. And at the time he was on pace for much more than 20 (32 IIRC). 

I watched the games in which Hunt didn’t  score a lot of fantasy points. It wasn’t his ability or talent level that caused him to not score a lot of fantasy points, it was injury to the OL, game flow and situational football denying him opportunities. Rather than talent deficit on Hunt’s part it appears that the OL injuries and inability for KCs defense to stop their opponents has been the biggest impact on Hunt’s fantasy scoring.

do you disagree with that? Do you believe, as many said then, that Hunt has hit a rookie wall? Or that his early success was a fluke? Or that he’s JAG? I’d respectfully disagree with that. 

Hunt still appears to be every bit as talented as the first 3-4 games where his OL was healthy & his team’s defense was better keeping them in games & committed to the run. He had over 100 yards from scrimmage in 2 of those 4 games without a TD and looked every bit as beastly as he did in the first month of the season. He’s broken some big gains, been a willing blocker in pass pro, and has had soft hands in the receiving game. 

You’re essentially saying that those who predicted he would crash down to earth from his first 3-4 games were correct because things always change for the worse. Which sounds like you believe in premonition? Fate? Was KC predestined to suffer OL injuries that impacted Hunt?

My analogy to Packers WRs in the wake of Rodgers injury was pretty sufficient at pointing out the fallacy in that reasoning. 

Sounds a lot more like “hindsight is 20-20” than “people were right to doubt Hunt as a fantasy asset”. 

Finally, I didn’t see “many” saying he was better than Bell or Zeke. I saw people saying they wouldn’t trade him. And early on it was probably the right move, though i do recall some saying they wouldn’t deal him for David Johnson or ODB and only one of those three guys have value in redrafts right now. Again, hindsight is 20-20, eh?

I’m curious...Where would you feel comfortable drafting Hunt next season? Is he a 1st round pick? Top 8? Top 5?  

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Not hardly. My post from a month ago was quoted as an “I told you so” statement about Hunt’s talent level and ability. The person who quoted me essentially mocked my saying that 20 TDs was within the realm of possibility. Yet at the time I said that, it was not an unrealistic suggestion given the play-style of the Chiefs. They played good defense, kept games close and ran the ball 20+ times a game. With consistent workload and play-style I still think 20 TDs was a solid projection, based on the sample size. We can only project based on what we know. And at the time he was on pace for much more than 20 (32 IIRC). 

I watched the games in which Hunt didn’t  score a lot of fantasy points. It wasn’t his ability or talent level that caused him to not score a lot of fantasy points, it was injury to the OL, game flow and situational football denying him opportunities. Rather than talent deficit on Hunt’s part it appears that the OL injuries and inability for KCs defense to stop their opponents has been the biggest impact on Hunt’s fantasy scoring.

do you disagree with that? Do you believe, as many said then, that Hunt has hit a rookie wall? Or that his early success was a fluke? Or that he’s JAG? I’d respectfully disagree with that. 

Hunt still appears to be every bit as talented as the first 3-4 games where his OL was healthy & his team’s defense was better keeping them in games & committed to the run. He had over 100 yards from scrimmage in 2 of those 4 games without a TD and looked every bit as beastly as he did in the first month of the season. He’s broken some big gains, been a willing blocker in pass pro, and has had soft hands in the receiving game. 

You’re essentially saying that those who predicted he would crash down to earth from his first 3-4 games were correct because things always change for the worse. Which sounds like you believe in premonition? Fate? Was KC predestined to suffer OL injuries that impacted Hunt?

My analogy to Packers WRs in the wake of Rodgers injury was pretty sufficient at pointing out the fallacy in that reasoning. 

Sounds a lot more like “hindsight is 20-20” than “people were right to doubt Hunt as a fantasy asset”. 

Finally, I didn’t see “many” saying he was better than Bell or Zeke. I saw people saying they wouldn’t trade him. And early on it was probably the right move, though i do recall some saying they wouldn’t deal him for David Johnson or ODB and only one of those three guys have value in redrafts right now. Again, hindsight is 20-20, eh?

I’m curious...Where would you feel comfortable drafting Hunt next season? Is he a 1st round pick? Top 8? Top 5?  
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If we’ve learned anything to this point, it’s that Hunt’s ceiling is lower than many of us anticipated. Game flow and poor run blocking have knocked him down a peg. Nonetheless, given that he is a really good player and should see an increase in touches, at least in comparison to what we’ve seen recently. I’d take him in the first round of a start up, but closer to the end of round 1. Top 10-absolutely. Top 5-no. Pick 7-9 feels about right.

 
kutta said:
You’re kidding right? I know it’s tough to admit when you’re wrong about someone, but you should try it. It does a soul good.
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You're the one that claimed people thought he could keep up his early pace.  You can't back that up now?

 
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Ack88 said:
If we’ve learned anything to this point, it’s that Hunt’s ceiling is lower than many of us anticipated. Game flow and poor run blocking have knocked him down a peg. Nonetheless, given that he is a really good player and should see an increase in touches, at least in comparison to what we’ve seen recently. I’d take him in the first round of a start up, but closer to the end of round 1. Top 10-absolutely. Top 5-no. Pick 7-9 feels about right.
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That I agree with. 

It’s a little mind boggling how far from the original game-plan Reid has gone with this offense since the OL issues. 

 
Hankmoody said:
You're the one that claimed people thought he could keep up his early pace.  You can't back that up now?
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Well, to be fair....He could have.  He still could if the Chiefs resembled the team they were in the first 3-4 games.

But things change fast in the NFL. 

Back then all the talking heads were asking “could the chiefs go undefeated?”

sure, it sounds ridiculous now, but for 3-4 weeks it was a serious question. 

 
Hankmoody said:
You're the one that claimed people thought he could keep up his early pace.  You can't back that up now?
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I already showed people who said they wouldn’t trade him for Zeke, DJ, or Bell. That’s enough for me to say that people thought he would keep up his early pace. He hasn’t come close.

I’m done with this discussion with you.

 
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I follow the chiefs somewhat closely and unless I'm wrong....the O line was pretty much healthy for this game.

Defense just sucks crap and can't stop the run or defend any WR's

 
Fact is that our boy Hunt is not an every down back.  He is very game script dependent.  He’s no Zeke or Bell.  He can’t pass block for one, and given the Chiefs’ bottom of the league defence, that limits his opportunities.  

I still believe in the talent.  Vision.  Power.  Great hands.  Massive heart.  He will be have a great career.  

However, the reason we are all here is fantasy football.  And, it is necessary to be objective.  In my view that asssesment requires an admission that Hunt is an RB2 right now.  Could change.  Hopefully the team gets their #### together over the bye.  But, for now, West is the guy on 3rd downand obvious passing situations.  I don’t see that changing this year. Nor should it.   West is better in that role.  

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Well, to be fair....He could have.  He still could if the Chiefs resembled the team they were in the first 3-4 games.

But things change fast in the NFL. 

Back then all the talking heads were asking “could the chiefs go undefeated?”

sure, it sounds ridiculous now, but for 3-4 weeks it was a serious question. 
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Zero people expected Hunt to keep up the pace he was on after three weeks.  He made an absurd assertion that they did.

kutta said:
I already showed people who said they wouldn’t trade him for Zeke, DJ, or Bell. That’s enough for me to say that people thought he would keep up his early pace. He hasn’t come close.

I’m done with this discussion with you.
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I didn't think so.

 
Hankmoody said:
Zero people expected Hunt to keep up the pace he was on after three weeks.  He made an absurd assertion that they did.
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Ah, ok that makes sense. I also did not think he’d keep up his pace.

i also didn’t expect his production to so precipitously tumble though. :(  

 
zoonation said:
Fact is that our boy Hunt is not an every down back.  He is very game script dependent.  He’s no Zeke or Bell.  He can’t pass block for one, and given the Chiefs’ bottom of the league defence, that limits his opportunities.  

I still believe in the talent.  Vision.  Power.  Great hands.  Massive heart.  He will be have a great career.  

However, the reason we are all here is fantasy football.  And, it is necessary to be objective.  In my view that asssesment requires an admission that Hunt is an RB2 right now.  Could change.  Hopefully the team gets their #### together over the bye.  But, for now, West is the guy on 3rd downand obvious passing situations.  I don’t see that changing this year. Nor should it.   West is better in that role.  
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I see it as the opposite.  I don't think his physical talent is overwhelming, so he's only going to get what the team gets him.  When the game script gets him 25 touches he'll feast.  KC was rolling early and Hunt was the recipient.  He made a few plays himself but it was largely just being the guy in the role at the time.  Nothing like Tyreek who can create points from thin air.  I wouldn't say he's JAG, but he's not super special. 

He's got a three-down skillset, but with West around third down is just a good time to give Hunt some rest.  He can't play 100% snaps as a rookie, he'll wear down, so may as well use that as the chance to spell him. 

 
Hankmoody said:
I see it as the opposite.  I don't think his physical talent is overwhelming, so he's only going to get what the team gets him.  When the game script gets him 25 touches he'll feast.  KC was rolling early and Hunt was the recipient.  He made a few plays himself but it was largely just being the guy in the role at the time.  Nothing like Tyreek who can create points from thin air.  I wouldn't say he's JAG, but he's not super special. 

He's got a three-down skillset, but with West around third down is just a good time to give Hunt some rest.  He can't play 100% snaps as a rookie, he'll wear down, so may as well use that as the chance to spell him. 
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He’s broken more tackles than any other RB in the league.  He is an above average talent.   He’s no Bell, agreed.  But he has an awesome skill set.  

 
zoonation said:
He’s broken more tackles than any other RB in the league.  He is an above average talent.   He’s no Bell, agreed.  But he has an awesome skill set.  
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Not debating that, all I said is I wouldn't call him special. He's probably in the "very good" territory, I like him better than Ware for sure.

 
Biabreakable said:
People have been saying that Hunt isn't going to put up numbers like this for three weeks in a row now. I suppose eventually they will be right as every player has a bad game sometimes.

Its three weeks in a row now. It doesn't seem like something that won't be possible each week moving forward.
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Ok @Hankmoody. Here ya go. There’s some more that are very close if you go back in the thread but I’m done wasting my time with you on this.

Have a good night.

 
kutta said:
Ok @Hankmoody. Here ya go. There’s some more that are very close if you go back in the thread but I’m done wasting my time with you on this.

Have a good night.
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Saying it's possible any given week is not "assuming he’s going to keep up the early pace".  There were far more saying verbatim that they knew he couldn't keep up the torrid pace.

 
Hankmoody said:
Saying it's possible any given week is not "assuming he’s going to keep up the early pace".  There were far more saying verbatim that they knew he couldn't keep up the torrid pace.
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Jesus man. You have issues.

He didn’t say “any given week.” He said “each week.” Why would you intentionally misquote him? Do I need to explain the difference to you?

And I agree there were more saying he couldn’t keep up the pace. But there were also those saying he could. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

 
Usually having the KC lead back is a sure bet but the team is struggling right now. Im not benching Hunt but his production is sad. I think he will bounce back. I have him and Fournette on my team. They both better bounce back or im screwed  :(

 
lsufan said:
Usually having the KC lead back is a sure bet but the team is struggling right now. Im not benching Hunt but his production is sad. I think he will bounce back. I have him and Fournette on my team. They both better bounce back or im screwed  :(
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Smith cant complete a 3rd down pass. The only problem Hunt has is his declining QB.

 
Gracchi Bros said:
Smith cant complete a 3rd down pass. The only problem Hunt has is his declining QB.
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Alex Smith has the highest QB rating in the NFL through 9 weeks.  He's leading the league in yards/attempt. He has thrown 18 TDs and only 1 INT.  He has the 3rd highest completion percentage at over 69% behind only Brees and McCown. And his career 3rd down completion percentage is only 1% below Brady's career 3rd down completion percentage.  He's currently completing over 64% of his passes on 3rd down this year, well above his career percentage (58%).

Alex Smith is far from Hunt's problem. He's one of the top MVP candidates at this time. And your statement about his 3rd down completions is just wrong.

 
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gianmarco said:
Alex Smith has the highest QB rating in the NFL through 9 weeks.  He's leading the league in yards/attempt. He has thrown 18 TDs and only 1 INT.  He has the 3rd highest completion percentage at over 69% behind only Brees and McCown. And his career 3rd down completion percentage is only 1% below Brady's career 3rd down completion percentage.  He's currently competing over 64% of his passes on 3rd down this year, well above his career percentage (58%).

Alex Smith is far from Hunt's problem. He's one of the top MVP candidates at this time. And your statement about his 3rd down completions is just wrong.
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Have you watched Alex play the last 4 games or are you just quoting the box score? He played well in the OAK game, the other three he has played sub par. 

 
kutta said:
Jesus man. You have issues.

He didn’t say “any given week.” He said “each week.” Why would you intentionally misquote him? Do I need to explain the difference to you?

And I agree there were more saying he couldn’t keep up the pace. But there were also those saying he could. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.
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I also said Hunt will have bad games just like any other player is the same quote that you are using to support your false claim.

After 3 weeks of Hunt performing well there was no reason to think it wasn't possible for him to keep producing at that level. The key word here being possible, not each.

Hunt just had a bad game.

He is also having a very good season.

In my view you are the one having issues and misappropriating intent and meaning of my statement that you quoted.

 
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Gracchi Bros said:
Have you watched Alex play the last 4 games or are you just quoting the box score? He played well in the OAK game, the other three he has played sub par. 
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I have. And he played fine today as well.  Dude was 25/34 today (74%). His QB rating today was over 100. He was not the problem.

Yes, he had 2 down games in the last 4 weeks. Hunt hasn't been very special since week 3.

Alex Smith is NOT his "only problem". 

 
jrwall said:
Johnson is 25, about to turn 26 in December. At least be accurate in your reasoning for taking Hunt over DJ. 
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I'm assuming he was referencing at the time of the hypothetical startup draft, since startup drafts won't be until 10 months from now when DJ is a few months shy of 27.  That will likely be the next time DJ steps onto an NFL field as well, when he's 26.75 years old.

 
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