RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (2 Viewers)

[JoeJoe88]

You’re never going to be confident playing either of them unless the other is inactive. It’s just the reality of the situation.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I’ll take 12 points, I guess. But between the Oline, the coaching and Charbs being as good as KWIII, I’m scouring the WW for depth. I got no confidence in him.

Charbs is not good as K9. I’m not a scout, but I have eyes.

 

[Lansdowne]

FYI I'm Team Walker. He's just the more explosive rb of the two. What will ensure this is a committee for the foreseeable future is he has a handful of wtf runs each week. Instead of taking a 1 yard gain he turns it into a 4 yard loss. If it were 4th and 1, as a Team Walker guy, id trust Charbs to get the 1 more then him. Imo

Walker is gold when he gets to the edge. Between the tackles is a different story, and it doesn’t help that there’s rarely a hole made by the OL for him to burst through. For those tough yards Charbs is the more reliable guy. Neither are all that impressive between the tackles IMO.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I’ll take 12 points, I guess. But between the Oline, the coaching and Charbs being as good as KWIII, I’m scouring the WW for depth. I got no confidence in him.

Charbs is not good as K9. I’m not a scout, but I have eyes.

Charbs is better at 1 cut and run, Walker is better on the edge.

 

[LawFitz]

Lots of good observations tonight about their unique strengths and weaknesses.

Still a weird thread with the amount of folks who will completely disparage two obvious, if differing talents, over magic football numbers.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lots of good observations tonight about their unique strengths and weaknesses.

Still a weird thread with the amount of folks who will completely disparage two obvious, if differing talents, over magic football numbers.

One day NFL coaches will realize that their job isn't to win football games, but to make magic football managers happy.

 

[VikingFrog]

Lots of good observations tonight about their unique strengths and weaknesses.

Still a weird thread with the amount of folks who will completely disparage two obvious, if differing talents, over magic football numbers.

One day NFL coaches will realize that their job isn't to win football games, but to make magic football managers happy.

When I become a coach in the NFL, I’m inventing the tandem goal line carry... where two highly debated RBs get to hold the ball together with interlocking arms and carry it over the goal line together simultaneously for a TD each.

 

[rockaction]

For the Walker stans that get heated when the Charb boys claim their guy is better . . . my gift to you. These comparisons are among all backs with over 20 carries this year

Full disclosure that I roster Walker but also full disclosure that I think the arguments are too heated and that I thought they were both good backs . . .

But these stats aren't going away.

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RB Leaders in Yards From Scrimmage per Touch
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1. David Montgomery (6.70)
2. Bijan Robinson (6.61)
3. Jonathan Taylor (6.34)...
15. Kenneth Walker (4.72)*...
Worst/ 30. Zach Charbonnet (2.46)

** * 16.0 touches per game** 13.7 touches per game

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Charbonnet is 37th out of 38 qualifying backs in rushing yards over expectation. He gains -47 yards compared to what he should gain
Walker meets expectations and is +2

The efficiency stat they have (EFF) measures the total yards you run per play and is the measure of how North-South you are (lower distances show North-South, higher is East-West):

Charbonnet has highest distance traveled and therefore the least efficient runner with 6.92
Walker's is 4.78

Charbonnet faces 8 men in the box at a 41.03% rate, Walker is at a 41.38% rate

 

[habsfan]

Lots of good observations tonight about their unique strengths and weaknesses.

Still a weird thread with the amount of folks who will completely disparage two obvious, if differing talents, over magic football numbers.

One day NFL coaches will realize that their job isn't to win football games, but to make magic football managers happy.

When I become a coach in the NFL, I’m inventing the tandem goal line carry... where two highly debated RBs get to hold the ball together with interlocking arms and carry it over the goal line together simultaneously for a TD each.

Like the half sack. People will lose their minds...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Charbonnet is 37th out of 38 qualifying backs in rushing yards over expectation. He gains -47 yards compared to what he should gain
Walker meets expectations and is +2

I like stats like this so much more than standard ypc type stats. Those get skewed by situation so much. Handoffs on 3rd and 20 when backed up are of course going to get yardage. Meanwhile the GL back is always capped by the ball being on the 1-3 yard line.

 

[jobarules]

Seemed like coaches were pissed at him multiple times. One for the taunting penalty and the other for the stupid spin where a defender was clearly standing there waiting for him.

 

[Payne]

Ugh. As the President of the Walker fan club, it's frustrating. Walker is easily the better back, but his stupid penalty didn't help him at all.
Sure looks like the coaching staff is adamant about having Charbonnet be the GL back and maybe even the 2-minute back. Why? Beats me.
Walker has proven to be the better receiver time and time again. Maybe Charbonnet has better pas protection.

Fact is, both of these guys seem to be TD dependent. Both are going to put up RB3 numbers and whoever scores a TD becomes a RB2 that week. Wohoo.

I'm happy with the 19 carries. Probably would have been more without the bonehead penalty.

I will say I think the staff is hurting the team by using this rotation. It's not a clear early down back / 3rd down back and it's not even a matter of Walker gets two drives and Charboonet the 3rd. They are litereally interchanging them constantly. Neither is getting into a rhythm.

 

[Drake Hater]

They're winning so nothing will change for now unfortunately.

 

[tricky92]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner.

 

[msudaisy26]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner.

This is a great observation. With the lack of skill players thr Seahawks have after JSN it is very surprising that they don't try to get both rbs on the field at the same time and try to be creative.

 

[rockaction]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner

What exactly is a football player without a position?

How is Charbonnet a better “football player” and why does that matter for why he is in there?

There are no more than two things unique to the sport that all “football players” have.to try and do. Move (run or backpedal quickly) and deal with contact in some way.

Beyond that, you are judged and identified by the parameters of your position.

Bear with me for a minute.

If Charbonnet blocks for the QB better, then he’s a better blocking back.

If he’s a better catcher of the football, he’s a better receiving back.

If he’s the better runner, then he’s your halfback you want toting the football, etc.

I don’t know where I’m going with this but it struck me as strange you would call him a better football player when there is virtually nothing but how well you move and react to contact that all football players have as commonalities, and even then how you move and how you are judged as having a desirable reaction to contact is still specific to your position.

 

[msudaisy26]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner

What exactly is a football player without a position?

How is Charbonnet a better “football player” and why does that matter for why he is in there?

There are no more than two things unique to the sport that all “football players” have.to try and do. Move (run or backpedal quickly) and deal with contact in some way.

Beyond that, you are judged and identified by the parameters of your position.

Bear with me for a minute.

If Charbonnet blocks for the QB better, then he’s a better blocking back.

If he’s a better catcher of the football, he’s a better receiving back.

If he’s the better runner, then he’s your halfback you want toting the football, etc.

I don’t know where I’m going with this but it struck me as strange you would call him a better football player when there is virtually nothing but how well you move and react to contact that all football players have as commonalities, and even then how you move and how you are judged as having a desirable reaction to contact is still specific to your position.

I think he just mean all around. Walker is a really good runner, but has flaws else where. Charbs seems to be average to above average at everything.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner.

That's a great take.

Charbs is clearly trusted more in general but Walker provides those big chunk plays that Charbs seemingly struggles with. Charbonnet isn't going anywhere.

 

[rockaction]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner

What exactly is a football player without a position?

How is Charbonnet a better “football player” and why does that matter for why he is in there?

There are no more than two things unique to the sport that all “football players” have.to try and do. Move (run or backpedal quickly) and deal with contact in some way.

Beyond that, you are judged and identified by the parameters of your position.

Bear with me for a minute.

If Charbonnet blocks for the QB better, then he’s a better blocking back.

If he’s a better catcher of the football, he’s a better receiving back.

If he’s the better runner, then he’s your halfback you want toting the football, etc.

I don’t know where I’m going with this but it struck me as strange you would call him a better football player when there is virtually nothing but how well you move and react to contact that all football players have as commonalities, and even then how you move and how you are judged as having a desirable reaction to contact is still specific to your position.

I think he just mean all around. Walker is a really good runner, but has flaws else where. Charbs seems to be average to above average at everything.

I do get what he’s saying. I’m not divorced from context and I know what he’s getting at. It’s weird I guess. It could be a pedantic thought experiment on my end, but I actually do think rigorous consistency and clarity of concepts and definitions—and maybe being a bit exacting about how we’re thinking of all these things helps clarify and crystallize what and how we analyze who deserves to be out there and when.

I’m think it helps you think about the different tasks of the running back and.which ones are important and how to rank order or maybe even quantify those tasks into a way to judge the players according to their positions.

 

[crushedspirit]

Charbs is not flashy but falls forward and his pass pro is legit. Walker is the more explosive runner overall, but there are dancing behind the line issues that seem to pop up weekly. They each bring something different to the table and there's no reason for the coaches to change that approach.

 

[msudaisy26]

Charbs is not flashy but falls forward and his pass pro is legit. Walker is the more explosive runner overall, but there are dancing behind the line issues that seem to pop up weekly. They each bring something different to the table and there's no reason for the coaches to change that approach.

It is only four games but Charbs is averaging less than 2.5 per carry. He is pretty much getting to the line and falling forward and that is it.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I will say I think the staff is hurting the team by using this rotation. It's not a clear early down back / 3rd down back and it's not even a matter of Walker gets two drives and Charboonet the 3rd. They are litereally interchanging them constantly. Neither is getting into a rhythm.

Walker had two years to get into a rhythm and never did.

This is the point I've been harping on all offseason. Everyone kept saying "if Walker is healthy, he is the clearly the guy and gets a feature back load.". I kept correcting to "when Walker was healthy he WAS the guy.", not necessarily "is".

The question was, how long will they keep banging their head into a wall and trying to use him as a feature back that just gets dinged and underperforms and doesn't make dynamic plays, before they realize maybe it's better to mix in their highly competent backup RB with high draft capital to keep that dynamic player fresh and healthy so he can actually make dynamic plays?

And then as I said several times this offseason, "maybe they already have". Which, apparently, was right on the money.

So now we have a couple games where KW3 has outplayed Charbs. Maybe if that continues that will mean they give him more and more work. Or maybe they'll take it as vindication that they were right in deciding that KW3 might be better used splitting time and getting more rest rather than getting overworked.

Counting this year's game where Charbs was out, KW3 has only eclipsed 4ypc in 1 of the last 9 games where he operated as the feature back. When he split time with Charbs, he did it 2 out of 3.

3.8
2.3
4.9
1.3
3.3
3.9
2.6
3.1
3.9
2.0 <----split time with Charbs
8.1 <----split time with Charbs
2.4
4.3 <----split time with Charbs

So does that mean the coaches view it as they need to give KW3 more work, or do they view it as what they've been doing has been working? Sure it's a small sample size, but it's the same thing with his dynamic plays. KW3 already has just 1 fewer 20+ yard play this season on 60 touches than he did all of last year on 200+ touches.

 

[crushedspirit]

Charbs is not flashy but falls forward and his pass pro is legit. Walker is the more explosive runner overall, but there are dancing behind the line issues that seem to pop up weekly. They each bring something different to the table and there's no reason for the coaches to change that approach.

It is only four games but Charbs is averaging less than 2.5 per carry. He is pretty much getting to the line and falling forward and that is it.

Yes I get that but believe it or not coaches value falling forward over some possible dancing in certain downs and distances. The mere fact he falls forward is why you see him at the goaline. Nobody here is saying it's pretty to watch.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Walker got Darnold destroyed on an utterly egregious missed block. Zach is the better overall football player, which is why he’s getting the amount of snaps he is… Walker is a better runner.

That's a great take.

Charbs is clearly trusted more in general but Walker provides those big chunk plays that Charbs seemingly struggles with. Charbonnet isn't going anywhere.

But that's the thing, Walker struggled to provide those chunk plays when he was overworked. He had 4 plays over 20 yards all of last season on 200+ touches getting a feature load. This year he has 3 plays over 20 yards already on 60 touches while splitting time and staying fresher.

 

[msudaisy26]

I will say I think the staff is hurting the team by using this rotation. It's not a clear early down back / 3rd down back and it's not even a matter of Walker gets two drives and Charboonet the 3rd. They are litereally interchanging them constantly. Neither is getting into a rhythm.

Walker had two years to get into a rhythm and never did.

This is the point I've been harping on all offseason. Everyone kept saying "if Walker is healthy, he is the clearly the guy and gets a feature back load.". I kept correcting to "when Walker was healthy he WAS the guy.", not necessarily "is".

The question was, how long will they keep banging their head into a wall and trying to use him as a feature back that just gets dinged and underperforms and doesn't make dynamic plays, before they realize maybe it's better to mix in their highly competent backup RB with high draft capital to keep that dynamic player fresh and healthy so he can actually make dynamic plays?

And then as I said several times this offseason, "maybe they already have". Which, apparently, was right on the money.

So now we have a couple games where KW3 has outplayed Charbs. Maybe if that continues that will mean they give him more and more work. Or maybe they'll take it as vindication that they were right in deciding that KW3 might be better used splitting time and getting more rest than getting overworked.

Counting this year's game where Charbs was out, KW3 has only eclipsed 4ypc in 1 of the last 9 games where he operated as the feature back. When he split time with Charbs, he did it 2 out of 3.

3.8
2.3
4.9
1.3
3.3
3.9
2.6
3.1
3.9
2.0 <----split time with Charbs
8.1 <----split time with Charbs
2.4
4.3 <----split time with Charbs

So does that mean the coaches view it as they need to give KW3 more work, or do they view it as what they've been doing has been working? Sure it's a small sample size, but it's the same thing with his dynamic plays. KW3 already has just 1 fewer 20+ yard play this season on 60 touches than he did all of last year on 200+ touches.

I think they view it as a poor man's Barry Sanders. How many times would Barry go into the 4th quarter sitting at 15 rushes for 48 yards and then finish with 23 carries for 135.

The problem is they aren't really doing it.

 

[cheese]

FYI I'm Team Walker. He's just the more explosive rb of the two. What will ensure this is a committee for the foreseeable future is he has a handful of wtf runs each week. Instead of taking a 1 yard gain he turns it into a 4 yard loss. If it were 4th and 1, as a Team Walker guy, id trust Charbs to get the 1 more then him. Imo

Walker is gold when he gets to the edge. Between the tackles is a different story, and it doesn’t help that there’s rarely a hole made by the OL for him to burst through. For those tough yards Charbs is the more reliable guy. Neither are all that impressive between the tackles IMO.

Not sure if anyone else watched the alternate amazon broadcast, but from the EZ view it's very clear they're designing like 80%+ of their run game as outside runs. It's a unique scheme for sure.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I will say I think the staff is hurting the team by using this rotation. It's not a clear early down back / 3rd down back and it's not even a matter of Walker gets two drives and Charboonet the 3rd. They are litereally interchanging them constantly. Neither is getting into a rhythm.

Walker had two years to get into a rhythm and never did.

This is the point I've been harping on all offseason. Everyone kept saying "if Walker is healthy, he is the clearly the guy and gets a feature back load.". I kept correcting to "when Walker was healthy he WAS the guy.", not necessarily "is".

The question was, how long will they keep banging their head into a wall and trying to use him as a feature back that just gets dinged and underperforms and doesn't make dynamic plays, before they realize maybe it's better to mix in their highly competent backup RB with high draft capital to keep that dynamic player fresh and healthy so he can actually make dynamic plays?

And then as I said several times this offseason, "maybe they already have". Which, apparently, was right on the money.

So now we have a couple games where KW3 has outplayed Charbs. Maybe if that continues that will mean they give him more and more work. Or maybe they'll take it as vindication that they were right in deciding that KW3 might be better used splitting time and getting more rest than getting overworked.

Counting this year's game where Charbs was out, KW3 has only eclipsed 4ypc in 1 of the last 9 games where he operated as the feature back. When he split time with Charbs, he did it 2 out of 3.

3.8
2.3
4.9
1.3
3.3
3.9
2.6
3.1
3.9
2.0 <----split time with Charbs
8.1 <----split time with Charbs
2.4
4.3 <----split time with Charbs

So does that mean the coaches view it as they need to give KW3 more work, or do they view it as what they've been doing has been working? Sure it's a small sample size, but it's the same thing with his dynamic plays. KW3 already has just 1 fewer 20+ yard play this season on 60 touches than he did all of last year on 200+ touches.

I think they view it as a poor man's Barry Sanders. How many times would Barry go into the 4th quarter sitting at 15 rushes for 48 yards and then finish with 23 carries for 135.

The problem is they aren't really doing it.

I think you're actually accidentally bringing up the opposite point here.

KW3 ypc in the 4th quarter
2023: 3.9
2024: 2.6
2025: 5.9

Through 4 games, he has more 20+ yard runs in the 4th quarter than he did in the 4th quarter all of last year.

Keeping him fresh is working.

 

[msudaisy26]

I will say I think the staff is hurting the team by using this rotation. It's not a clear early down back / 3rd down back and it's not even a matter of Walker gets two drives and Charboonet the 3rd. They are litereally interchanging them constantly. Neither is getting into a rhythm.

Walker had two years to get into a rhythm and never did.

This is the point I've been harping on all offseason. Everyone kept saying "if Walker is healthy, he is the clearly the guy and gets a feature back load.". I kept correcting to "when Walker was healthy he WAS the guy.", not necessarily "is".

The question was, how long will they keep banging their head into a wall and trying to use him as a feature back that just gets dinged and underperforms and doesn't make dynamic plays, before they realize maybe it's better to mix in their highly competent backup RB with high draft capital to keep that dynamic player fresh and healthy so he can actually make dynamic plays?

And then as I said several times this offseason, "maybe they already have". Which, apparently, was right on the money.

So now we have a couple games where KW3 has outplayed Charbs. Maybe if that continues that will mean they give him more and more work. Or maybe they'll take it as vindication that they were right in deciding that KW3 might be better used splitting time and getting more rest than getting overworked.

Counting this year's game where Charbs was out, KW3 has only eclipsed 4ypc in 1 of the last 9 games where he operated as the feature back. When he split time with Charbs, he did it 2 out of 3.

3.8
2.3
4.9
1.3
3.3
3.9
2.6
3.1
3.9
2.0 <----split time with Charbs
8.1 <----split time with Charbs
2.4
4.3 <----split time with Charbs

So does that mean the coaches view it as they need to give KW3 more work, or do they view it as what they've been doing has been working? Sure it's a small sample size, but it's the same thing with his dynamic plays. KW3 already has just 1 fewer 20+ yard play this season on 60 touches than he did all of last year on 200+ touches.

I think they view it as a poor man's Barry Sanders. How many times would Barry go into the 4th quarter sitting at 15 rushes for 48 yards and then finish with 23 carries for 135.

The problem is they aren't really doing it.

I think you're actually accidentally bringing up the opposite point here.

KW3 ypc in the 4th quarter
2023: 3.9
2024: 2.6
2025: 5.9

Through 4 games, he has more 20+ yard runs in the 4th quarter than he did in the 4th quarter all of last year.

Keeping him fresh is working.

It could be working. It is a small sample size. Maybe he is a poor man's Sanders and instead of 23 carries it is going to be 16.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I will say I think the staff is hurting the team by using this rotation. It's not a clear early down back / 3rd down back and it's not even a matter of Walker gets two drives and Charboonet the 3rd. They are litereally interchanging them constantly. Neither is getting into a rhythm.

Walker had two years to get into a rhythm and never did.

This is the point I've been harping on all offseason. Everyone kept saying "if Walker is healthy, he is the clearly the guy and gets a feature back load.". I kept correcting to "when Walker was healthy he WAS the guy.", not necessarily "is".

The question was, how long will they keep banging their head into a wall and trying to use him as a feature back that just gets dinged and underperforms and doesn't make dynamic plays, before they realize maybe it's better to mix in their highly competent backup RB with high draft capital to keep that dynamic player fresh and healthy so he can actually make dynamic plays?

And then as I said several times this offseason, "maybe they already have". Which, apparently, was right on the money.

So now we have a couple games where KW3 has outplayed Charbs. Maybe if that continues that will mean they give him more and more work. Or maybe they'll take it as vindication that they were right in deciding that KW3 might be better used splitting time and getting more rest rather than getting overworked.

Counting this year's game where Charbs was out, KW3 has only eclipsed 4ypc in 1 of the last 9 games where he operated as the feature back. When he split time with Charbs, he did it 2 out of 3.

3.8
2.3
4.9
1.3
3.3
3.9
2.6
3.1
3.9
2.0 <----split time with Charbs
8.1 <----split time with Charbs
2.4
4.3 <----split time with Charbs

So does that mean the coaches view it as they need to give KW3 more work, or do they view it as what they've been doing has been working? Sure it's a small sample size, but it's the same thing with his dynamic plays. KW3 already has just 1 fewer 20+ yard play this season on 60 touches than he did all of last year on 200+ touches.

-How many big runs did Walker have last night vs Charbs? I saw at least 3 runs over 10 yards, a couple of them might have gone for 15 or 20 plus he had 1 catch but it was 29 yds in space
That play by the way where he lines up to the left in a cluster behind 2 TEs ready to block and a WR that took the DB with him, that was a well executed play and KW made a 5-7-10 yd play into 29 yards as he scooted up the sidelines dodging tackles/defenders, not another target or play designed to get him in space, that's play calling IMO

And let's look at Charbs last 2 games vs PIT and AZ - 27 carries for 49 yds by my math which can be pretty shaky
I watched the game closely last night and Walker by most measures looks/feels like the better RB of the two
That said, Walker settles for losses or no gains where he could get a few yds, it's like he's looking for the chunk play every time and might need to focus more on taking what's there

Just my observations last night
Your stats and chart comparing the two of them, nice job!

 

[joey]

Your guys energy and persistence in this and the Charbs thread is impressive.

I own both in only 1 dynasty league and have no clue which way this is going week to week, but I’m exhausted from just reading the back and forth, let alone getting involved in it. Your stamina on this topic is amazing

 

[zed2283]

Lots of good observations tonight about their unique strengths and weaknesses.

Still a weird thread with the amount of folks who will completely disparage two obvious, if differing talents, over magic football numbers.

One day NFL coaches will realize that their job isn't to win football games, but to make magic football managers happy.

I think you're on to something. One day they will realize that if they do that they'll never lose their jobs. The fans wouldn't allow it.

 

[Payne]

Well, now that they lost another game, maybe the staff will find a way to get Walker more than 10 carries.

 

[tricky92]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

 

[JohnnyU]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

Maybe because he's so injury prone it's best not to over work him.

 

[menobrown]

Well, now that they lost another game, maybe the staff will find a way to get Walker more than 10 carries.

I rooted for them to lose just because of this.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

I believe KW3 now has more 20+ yard plays this season in 5 games while splitting time than he did all of last year as the feature back.

Again, will the coaches see these dynamic plays as an indication that they need to raise his workload, or as vindication that they were correct in reducing his workload because these dynamic plays seem to become far less frequent when he is worked more heavily.

4th quarter YPC for KW3
2023: 3.9
2024: 2.6
2025: 6.1

12-16 carries seems to be a sweet spot.

 

[Payne]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

Maybe because he's so injury prone it's best not to over work him.

When you are winning, maybe. However, at some point, you would think the staff would realize how best to win the most games going forward.

 

[JohnnyU]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

Maybe because he's so injury prone it's best not to over work him.

When you are winning, maybe. However, at some point, you would think the staff would realize how best to win the most games going forward.

It's anybody's guess why usage is done the way it is. It's as if Charbs is garbage, but I get it, fantasy owners want their guy to be getting most of the work. Only the coaches know, but my guess is to keep Walker fresh, but hell, I don't know anymore than you do.

 

[tricky92]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

Maybe because he's so injury prone it's best not to over work him.

20 touches is not over-worked by any standards for running backs. And, I'm not even saying 20 carries...

 

[JoeJoe88]

I don’t see anything changing. And it makes KW a very risky start every week because Charbs seems to be preferred at the goal line. Walker actually had a couple opportunities to punch one in but couldn’t get there.

 

[JohnnyU]

There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.

Maybe because he's so injury prone it's best not to over work him.

20 touches is not over-worked by any standards for running backs. And, I'm not even saying 20 carries...

I don't know, but in KW's case, 20 touches a game may not be wise for someone with his injury history.

 

[menobrown]

I don’t see anything changing. And it makes KW a very risky start every week because Charbs seems to be preferred at the goal line. Walker actually had a couple opportunities to punch one in but couldn’t get there.

And it still makes deciding which one to start if you own both and only want to start one a total crapshoot.

I think on the year it's technically Charbs leading 3 to 1 in their 4 games together. One game was so close, week 4, it should probably be considered a virtual tie and make it 2-2 but then again that's only because Charb's had that TD taken back.

Based on what my eyes see it feels wrong to start Charbs and sit Walker but it's hard to score fantasy points when you don't get goal line runs or a lot of receptions.

This sucks and I'm not ashamed to say I root for injury, preferably a minor multi-weeker.

 

[bolzano]

I don’t see anything changing. And it makes KW a very risky start every week because Charbs seems to be preferred at the goal line. Walker actually had a couple opportunities to punch one in but couldn’t get there.

And it still makes deciding which one to start if you own both and only want to start one a total crapshoot.

I think on the year it's technically Charbs leading 3 to 1 in their 4 games together. One game was so close, week 4, it should probably be considered a virtual tie and make it 2-2 but then again that's only because Charb's had that TD taken back.

Based on what my eyes see it feels wrong to start Charbs and sit Walker but it's hard to score fantasy points when you don't get goal line runs or a lot of receptions.

This sucks and I'm not ashamed to say I root for injury, preferably a minor multi-weeker.

Agreed.

As an owner of both, I’ve been starting KW3 every week (and sitting Charbs). But, I may need to go with another option at RB2 until an injury arises. KW3’s ceiling just isn’t where it should be with Charbs present, and Charbs is nothing but a TD dependent what-the-heck flex.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don’t see anything changing. And it makes KW a very risky start every week because Charbs seems to be preferred at the goal line. Walker actually had a couple opportunities to punch one in but couldn’t get there.

And it still makes deciding which one to start if you own both and only want to start one a total crapshoot.

I think on the year it's technically Charbs leading 3 to 1 in their 4 games together. One game was so close, week 4, it should probably be considered a virtual tie and make it 2-2 but then again that's only because Charb's had that TD taken back.

Based on what my eyes see it feels wrong to start Charbs and sit Walker but it's hard to score fantasy points when you don't get goal line runs or a lot of receptions.

This sucks and I'm not ashamed to say I root for injury, preferably a minor multi-weeker.

Agreed.

As an owner of both, I’ve been starting KW3 every week (and sitting Charbs). But, I may need to go with another option at RB2 until an injury arises. KW3’s ceiling just isn’t where it should be with Charbs present, and Charbs is nothing but a TD dependent what-the-heck flex.

You could say that about a few backs in the league.

 

[joey]

Magic 8 Ball says "reply hazy. try again"

 

[The Finist]

Sea coaching staff is looking foolish over these stats / usage. At some point you either make adjustments or you dig heels
I have a feeling this guy digs in his heels and ends up costing his team more wins.

 

[kyoun1e]

As a Charbs owner, I'm wondering if this is a buy low moment here for Walker.

Would totally understand the frustration. Walker is the more explosive back and can do more with his touches, but he's not getting the money at the goal line and the touches overall close to even.

If I were to buy low it would be because I'd think the coaching staff would wake up and see this and start shifting things a bit or a least splitting those TD opportunities 50/50.

 

[JohnnyU]

As a Charbs owner, I'm wondering if this is a buy low moment here for Walker.

Would totally understand the frustration. Walker is the more explosive back and can do more with his touches, but he's not getting the money at the goal line and the touches overall close to even.

If I were to buy low it would be because I'd think the coaching staff would wake up and see this and start shifting things a bit or a least splitting those TD opportunities 50/50.

This kind os reminds me of the Jonathan Stewart / DeAngelo Williams situation. Not because of player comparison, but because of how it frustrated their fantasy owners.

 

[menobrown]

Sea coaching staff is looking foolish over these stats / usage. At some point you either make adjustments or you dig heels
I have a feeling this guy digs in his heels and ends up costing his team more wins.

Speaking of looking foolish

The game yesterday cleared up absolutely nothing for me with respect to how to handle these two in my lineups going forward or did anything to change my mind with how I viewed their talent.

@The Finist what do you find humorous about this post?

 

[kyoun1e]

As a Charbs owner, I'm wondering if this is a buy low moment here for Walker.

Would totally understand the frustration. Walker is the more explosive back and can do more with his touches, but he's not getting the money at the goal line and the touches overall close to even.

If I were to buy low it would be because I'd think the coaching staff would wake up and see this and start shifting things a bit or a least splitting those TD opportunities 50/50.

This kind os reminds me of the Jonathan Stewart / DeAngelo Williams situation. Not because of player comparison, but because of how it frustrated their fantasy owners.

Bingo