jurrassic
Footballguy
86 YARDS on 10 carries, with only 1 target. The lack of goal line carries is the biggest issue.
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RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (6 Viewers)
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btemp
Footballguy
You have an explosive but oft injured back who's never finished a season and started the season with some injuries. I think the Seahawks are being smart about this.
Also... he's only getting one less attempt a game than his highest volume season and is on the same pace per game (he plays in) as 2024.
Alpha Dawgs
Footballguy
Okay a team needs disciplined players. When the coach pulled Walker last week after he gingerly tossed a ball at a D player then was benched for a while after the Hawks got the 15 yard penalty it showed me a lot. Brain trust doesn't back him. A word or two, heated if you want, then get his *** back in there see if there is fire in his belly to make amends for the screw up. We've seen more brutal transgressions every week. I didn't look like he was really pissed off just slightly pissed.
He is my primary flex each week but with Rice online in a couple weeks he may be riding the pine. It's a shame they don't give him a few more touches. There is little rhythm to their O.
He is my primary flex each week but with Rice online in a couple weeks he may be riding the pine. It's a shame they don't give him a few more touches. There is little rhythm to their O.
Think about this from a coaches perspective, and how insane it would be to not play your best player at the position because you're scared he might get injured... meanwhile your team is losing in the process.
The Finist
Footballguy
I doubt this got any better for charbs after this week. Probably worse.
I dont think Sea coach will change much regardless.
For me, it’s the non-usage in the passing game and the red zone. He’s not filling the two roles that are the most profitable in PPR leagues, for sure, but probably standard too.
rockaction
Footballguy
Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:
"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.
Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.
However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.
On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."
sports.yahoo.com
"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.
Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.
However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.
On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:
"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.
Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.
However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.
On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."
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That’s a way more persuasive position than the one that contends that Walker is the much better RB because he’s faster.
rockaction
Footballguy
Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:
"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.
Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.
However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.
On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."
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Matt Harmon takes a closer look at the Seahawks, who have surprisingly been one of the most efficient offenses for fantasy football this season.
That’s a way more persuasive position than the one that contends that Walker is the much better RB because he’s faster.
Matt Harmon is a very, very good fantasy analyst and seems to be the most grounded person in the industry (for his age range). Just a feeling I get. Don’t know the man but he cares and worries about the right things, IMO.
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Banger
Footballguy
Ya, he’s fact based. I listen when he speaksMatt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:
"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.
Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.
However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.
On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."
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Matt Harmon takes a closer look at the Seahawks, who have surprisingly been one of the most efficient offenses for fantasy football this season.
That’s a way more persuasive position than the one that contends that Walker is the much better RB because he’s faster.
Matt Harmon is a very, very good fantasy analyst and seems to be the most grounded person in the industry. Just a feeling I get. Don’t know the man but he cares and worries about the right things, IMO.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
So basically we’re hoping and praying he scores from 20 or 30 yards out and hope and pray the Seahawks don’t fall down 14-0? Seems like a risky and crappy flex option now
rockaction
Footballguy
I’m not being flippant when I say you’re about five weeks late with the honesty.
Basically.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
This dude is basically leg 5 of a DFS parlay, for an 8x multiplier
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
They're both useless without an injury to one of them looks like. That said KW had at least been running decent before today and Jags have a good run D
Guys, I was wrong about Walker. Just look at the stats!
Yesterday:
Walker 10 carries for 34 yards
Charbonnet 12 carries for 24 yards
Last week:
Walker 10 carries for 86 yards
Charbonnet 9 carries for 36 yards
Two weeks ago:
Walker 19 carries for 81 yards
Charbonnet 12 carries for 39 yards
Without question Charbonnet deserves more carries.
Yesterday:
Walker 10 carries for 34 yards
Charbonnet 12 carries for 24 yards
Last week:
Walker 10 carries for 86 yards
Charbonnet 9 carries for 36 yards
Two weeks ago:
Walker 19 carries for 81 yards
Charbonnet 12 carries for 39 yards
Without question Charbonnet deserves more carries.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Jacksonville is #5 against the Run
He’s still borderline unstartable unless you’re desperate. These are his last three games in PPR: 12, 9.6, 4.7. Charbs has outscored him in two out of the three(they actually scored the exact same amount of points this week just to make this whole thing even funnier).
What little goal line opportunities he’s getting(Charbs is clearly preferred there) he’s not cashing in on, so why do fools like me keep rolling him out there?
He’s not involved at all in the passing game, either. 4 targets in the last 3 games.
Charbonnet earned more GL work after getting three carries in a row on 1st & goal and going nowhere in the 2nd QTR.
Excellent playcalling by the coaching staff.
Also, not sure what the staff was thinking on their ONE TD drive. Charbonnet should have been given a few carries to gain no yards on.
4-yd Run
14:55 - 3rd
K.Walker left end to SEA 27 for 4 yards (D.Lloyd; D.Gardeck).
1st & 10 at SEA 23
10-yd Run
14:18 - 3rd
K.Walker up the middle to SEA 37 for 10 yards (A.Wingard).
2nd & 6 at SEA 27
3-yd Pass
13:47 - 3rd
(No Huddle, Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short middle to K.Walker to SEA 40 for 3 yards (F.Oluokun).
1st & 10 at SEA 37
13-yd Pass
13:05 - 3rd
(Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short left to J.Smith-Njigba to JAX 47 for 13 yards (D.Lloyd).
2nd & 7 at SEA 40
29-yd Pass
12:26 - 3rd
S.Darnold pass short middle to C.Kupp to JAX 18 for 29 yards (M.Brown).
1st & 10 at JAX 47
7-yd Run
11:43 - 3rd
K.Walker left end pushed ob at JAX 11 for 7 yards (A.Wingard).
1st & 10 at JAX 18
0-yd Run
11:04 - 3rd
K.Walker up the middle to JAX 11 for no gain (J.Lewis; A.Wingard).
2nd & 3 at JAX 11
11-yd Touchdown Pass
10:14 - 3rd
(Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short left to C.Kupp for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN. J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-C.Stoll, Holder-M.Dickson.
3rd & 3 at JAX 11
Even I would say yes.
The problem is this has been the case for basically every week but week one, that being the one week Charbs actually outplayed Walker.
Can't see a change in sight and what I meant by my comment about Macdonald duping Walker is he's the nominal starter and he seems to have bought in to this rotation, at least looks, acts and speaks as if he's ok with it. But the reality is in a contract year for Walker when he has a chance to show out, Charbs is really the teams primary RB and Walker is basically a high rushing volume COP. I know the usage is more situational then that, but that's what he seems like to me. He's just got the title as the starter and I somehow think that might be helping placate him and buy in.
And I mention this to say I think the best chance for this to change would be if Walker began voicing or showing his displeasure but that does not seem to be something he's interested in doing.
And honestly as much as I hate it, Walker probably has the right approach. Getting labeled as a malcontent would not help him if he hits UFA and this usage does lessen his injury risk so he's probably handling this the right way, I just wish he was frustrated or would show it.
Easy yes. Rachaad plays the vast majority of the snaps, is the goal line back, and gets targets.
I know they won't trade him since they are looking at the playoffs, but that is what would be best for everyone.
Shefter and Rapaport wrote like dueling articles this weekend on players that could be traded and it was like a laundry list of players with a lot of Rb's and he could did not even make their lists. Because as you say the playoff chase is very much alive.
When Hampton went down that's one team I thought about due to Macdonlds connection with Harbaugh and Hortiz maybe helping facilitate a deal but then I realized I was just guilty of wish casting. Just does not seem remotely under consideration by them and again I go back to Walker buying into essentially being the secondary RB and feel like the only way to get them to change their mind is if he voiced his displeasure. Don't see it.
Won't help this year but dynasty owners just have to hope like hell they don't convince him to resign.
Don’t do this to us.
Banger
Footballguy
unfortunately, that ain't happenin. Seattle is winning, they're loving life right now....no reason to change anything from their perspective. We just have to deal with the reality of it until some adversity / injuries occur.
CottageBob
Footballguy
only 8 catches in 6 games, last year he was feasting
dmac37
Footballguy
OMG, I used to scream at the TV WTF is Jamaweful Williams doing playing ahead of Jones. Here I am in the same situation. It is silly, KW3 is suited for outside zone running, Charbs is near the bottom in the league YPC currently. There is both the eye test plus stats, KW3 4.7 ypc, Charb 2.6 ypc.
