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RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (3 Viewers)

Sea coaching staff is looking foolish over these stats / usage. At some point you either make adjustments or you dig heels
I have a feeling this guy digs in his heels and ends up costing his team more wins.
You have an explosive but oft injured back who's never finished a season and started the season with some injuries. I think the Seahawks are being smart about this.

Also... he's only getting one less attempt a game than his highest volume season and is on the same pace per game (he plays in) as 2024.
 
Okay a team needs disciplined players. When the coach pulled Walker last week after he gingerly tossed a ball at a D player then was benched for a while after the Hawks got the 15 yard penalty it showed me a lot. Brain trust doesn't back him. A word or two, heated if you want, then get his *** back in there see if there is fire in his belly to make amends for the screw up. We've seen more brutal transgressions every week. I didn't look like he was really pissed off just slightly pissed.

He is my primary flex each week but with Rice online in a couple weeks he may be riding the pine. It's a shame they don't give him a few more touches. There is little rhythm to their O.
 
There is no reason for him to not have 20 touches per game.
Maybe because he's so injury prone it's best not to over work him.

20 touches is not over-worked by any standards for running backs. And, I'm not even saying 20 carries...
I don't know, but in KW's case, 20 touches a game may not be wise for someone with his injury history.
Think about this from a coaches perspective, and how insane it would be to not play your best player at the position because you're scared he might get injured... meanwhile your team is losing in the process.
 
For the Walker stans that get heated when the Charb boys claim their guy is better . . . my gift to you. These comparisons are among all backs with over 20 carries this year

Full disclosure that I roster Walker but also full disclosure that I think the arguments are too heated and that I thought they were both good backs . . .

But these stats aren't going away.

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RB Leaders in Yards From Scrimmage per Touch
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1. David Montgomery (6.70)
2. Bijan Robinson (6.61)
3. Jonathan Taylor (6.34)...
15. Kenneth Walker (4.72)*...
Worst/ 30. Zach Charbonnet (2.46)

** * 16.0 touches per game** 13.7 touches per game

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Charbonnet is 37th out of 38 qualifying backs in rushing yards over expectation. He gains -47 yards compared to what he should gain
Walker meets expectations and is +2

The efficiency stat they have (EFF) measures the total yards you run per play and is the measure of how North-South you are (lower distances show North-South, higher is East-West):

Charbonnet has highest distance traveled and therefore the least efficient runner with 6.92
Walker's is 4.78

Charbonnet faces 8 men in the box at a 41.03% rate, Walker is at a 41.38% rate

I doubt this got any better for charbs after this week. Probably worse.

I dont think Sea coach will change much regardless.
 
Sea coaching staff is looking foolish over these stats / usage. At some point you either make adjustments or you dig heels
I have a feeling this guy digs in his heels and ends up costing his team more wins.
You have an explosive but oft injured back who's never finished a season and started the season with some injuries. I think the Seahawks are being smart about this.

Also... he's only getting one less attempt a game than his highest volume season and is on the same pace per game (he plays in) as 2024.
For me, it’s the non-usage in the passing game and the red zone. He’s not filling the two roles that are the most profitable in PPR leagues, for sure, but probably standard too.
 
Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:

"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.

Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.

However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.

On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."

 
Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:

"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.

Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.

However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.

On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."


That’s a way more persuasive position than the one that contends that Walker is the much better RB because he’s faster.
 
Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:

"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.

Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.

However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.

On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."


That’s a way more persuasive position than the one that contends that Walker is the much better RB because he’s faster.

Matt Harmon is a very, very good fantasy analyst and seems to be the most grounded person in the industry (for his age range). Just a feeling I get. Don’t know the man but he cares and worries about the right things, IMO.
 
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Matt Harmon writing for Yahoo! today or yesterday:

"When it comes to the running backs, I hate to break it to fantasy gamers, but both Kenneth Walker III and Zach Charbonnet have their roles to play.

Walker is clearly the more explosive back, overall. Anyone with eyeballs can see that. He’s gifted in ways that Chabonnet just cannot match, and he’s taken to the outside zone system well. Walker has been a menace on runs through the C and D gaps (off the tackle) this season with 6.41 yards per carry, per Fantasy Points Data. On outside zone runs, in particular, he has a 5.41 yards per carry to 1.27 for Charbonnet. There’s just no comparison between these two guys when it comes to breakaway runs.

However, on inside zone runs, Charbonnet has a 52.4% success rate, which dwarfs Walker’s 33.3%. The Seahawks haven’t just been running the old Shanahan/Kubiak hits in the ground game either, as they’ve mixed in some gap runs, which have been quite productive for this team. On those plays, there is little to no discernible difference in the efficiency metrics for the two backs.

On top of that, Charbonnet has been on the field in obvious passing situations and late downs. Charbonnet has played 36 snaps on third or fourth down this season and run 16 routes to seven and four, respectively, for Walker. The team just trusts Charbonnet in these situations and this is the primary reason he’s not going away."


That’s a way more persuasive position than the one that contends that Walker is the much better RB because he’s faster.

Matt Harmon is a very, very good fantasy analyst and seems to be the most grounded person in the industry. Just a feeling I get. Don’t know the man but he cares and worries about the right things, IMO.
Ya, he’s fact based. I listen when he speaks
 
Guys, I was wrong about Walker. Just look at the stats!

Yesterday:
Walker 10 carries for 34 yards
Charbonnet 12 carries for 24 yards

Last week:
Walker 10 carries for 86 yards
Charbonnet 9 carries for 36 yards

Two weeks ago:
Walker 19 carries for 81 yards
Charbonnet 12 carries for 39 yards

Without question Charbonnet deserves more carries.
 
He's unstartable at this point

Jacksonville is #5 against the Run
He’s still borderline unstartable unless you’re desperate. These are his last three games in PPR: 12, 9.6, 4.7. Charbs has outscored him in two out of the three(they actually scored the exact same amount of points this week just to make this whole thing even funnier).

What little goal line opportunities he’s getting(Charbs is clearly preferred there) he’s not cashing in on, so why do fools like me keep rolling him out there?

He’s not involved at all in the passing game, either. 4 targets in the last 3 games.
 
19 snaps.

Plays less then Charbs every week and usually by a lot.

One of the greatest tricks Mike Macdonald ever played was duping Walker into making him the starting RB in name only.
 
19 snaps.

Plays less then Charbs every week and usually by a lot.

One of the greatest tricks Mike Macdonald ever played was duping Walker into making him the starting RB in name only.
Charbonnet earned more GL work after getting three carries in a row on 1st & goal and going nowhere in the 2nd QTR.
Excellent playcalling by the coaching staff.

Also, not sure what the staff was thinking on their ONE TD drive. Charbonnet should have been given a few carries to gain no yards on.
4-yd Run
14:55 - 3rd
K.Walker left end to SEA 27 for 4 yards (D.Lloyd; D.Gardeck).
1st & 10 at SEA 23
10-yd Run
14:18 - 3rd
K.Walker up the middle to SEA 37 for 10 yards (A.Wingard).
2nd & 6 at SEA 27
3-yd Pass
13:47 - 3rd
(No Huddle, Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short middle to K.Walker to SEA 40 for 3 yards (F.Oluokun).
1st & 10 at SEA 37
13-yd Pass
13:05 - 3rd
(Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short left to J.Smith-Njigba to JAX 47 for 13 yards (D.Lloyd).
2nd & 7 at SEA 40
29-yd Pass
12:26 - 3rd
S.Darnold pass short middle to C.Kupp to JAX 18 for 29 yards (M.Brown).
1st & 10 at JAX 47
7-yd Run
11:43 - 3rd
K.Walker left end pushed ob at JAX 11 for 7 yards (A.Wingard).
1st & 10 at JAX 18
0-yd Run
11:04 - 3rd
K.Walker up the middle to JAX 11 for no gain (J.Lewis; A.Wingard).
2nd & 3 at JAX 11
11-yd Touchdown Pass
10:14 - 3rd
(Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short left to C.Kupp for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN. J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-C.Stoll, Holder-M.Dickson.
3rd & 3 at JAX 11
 
19 snaps.

Plays less then Charbs every week and usually by a lot.

One of the greatest tricks Mike Macdonald ever played was duping Walker into making him the starting RB in name only.
Charbonnet earned more GL work after getting three carries in a row on 1st & goal and going nowhere in the 2nd QTR.
Excellent playcalling by the coaching staff.
The problem is this has been the case for basically every week but week one, that being the one week Charbs actually outplayed Walker.

Can't see a change in sight and what I meant by my comment about Macdonald duping Walker is he's the nominal starter and he seems to have bought in to this rotation, at least looks, acts and speaks as if he's ok with it. But the reality is in a contract year for Walker when he has a chance to show out, Charbs is really the teams primary RB and Walker is basically a high rushing volume COP. I know the usage is more situational then that, but that's what he seems like to me. He's just got the title as the starter and I somehow think that might be helping placate him and buy in.

And I mention this to say I think the best chance for this to change would be if Walker began voicing or showing his displeasure but that does not seem to be something he's interested in doing.

And honestly as much as I hate it, Walker probably has the right approach. Getting labeled as a malcontent would not help him if he hits UFA and this usage does lessen his injury risk so he's probably handling this the right way, I just wish he was frustrated or would show it.
 
i have josh jacobs, Jordan Mason, KWIII and Rashaad White to choose from this week...I feel like i have to bench Walker and go with White now that Bucky is out again, no???
Easy yes. Rachaad plays the vast majority of the snaps, is the goal line back, and gets targets.
 
19 snaps.

Plays less then Charbs every week and usually by a lot.

One of the greatest tricks Mike Macdonald ever played was duping Walker into making him the starting RB in name only.
Charbonnet earned more GL work after getting three carries in a row on 1st & goal and going nowhere in the 2nd QTR.
Excellent playcalling by the coaching staff.
The problem is this has been the case for basically every week but week one, that being the one week Charbs actually outplayed Walker.

Can't see a change in sight and what I meant by my comment about Macdonald duping Walker is he's the nominal starter and he seems to have bought in to this rotation, at least looks, acts and speaks as if he's ok with it. But the reality is in a contract year for Walker when he has a chance to show out, Charbs is really the teams primary RB and Walker is basically a high rushing volume COP. I know the usage is more situational then that, but that's what he seems like to me. He's just got the title as the starter and I somehow think that might be helping placate him and buy in.

And I mention this to say I think the best chance for this to change would be if Walker began voicing or showing his displeasure but that does not seem to be something he's interested in doing.

And honestly as much as I hate it, Walker probably has the right approach. Getting labeled as a malcontent would not help him if he hits UFA and this usage does lessen his injury risk so he's probably handling this the right way, I just wish he was frustrated or would show it.
I know they won't trade him since they are looking at the playoffs, but that is what would be best for everyone.
 
19 snaps.

Plays less then Charbs every week and usually by a lot.

One of the greatest tricks Mike Macdonald ever played was duping Walker into making him the starting RB in name only.
Charbonnet earned more GL work after getting three carries in a row on 1st & goal and going nowhere in the 2nd QTR.
Excellent playcalling by the coaching staff.
The problem is this has been the case for basically every week but week one, that being the one week Charbs actually outplayed Walker.

Can't see a change in sight and what I meant by my comment about Macdonald duping Walker is he's the nominal starter and he seems to have bought in to this rotation, at least looks, acts and speaks as if he's ok with it. But the reality is in a contract year for Walker when he has a chance to show out, Charbs is really the teams primary RB and Walker is basically a high rushing volume COP. I know the usage is more situational then that, but that's what he seems like to me. He's just got the title as the starter and I somehow think that might be helping placate him and buy in.

And I mention this to say I think the best chance for this to change would be if Walker began voicing or showing his displeasure but that does not seem to be something he's interested in doing.

And honestly as much as I hate it, Walker probably has the right approach. Getting labeled as a malcontent would not help him if he hits UFA and this usage does lessen his injury risk so he's probably handling this the right way, I just wish he was frustrated or would show it.
I know they won't trade him since they are looking at the playoffs, but that is what would be best for everyone.
Shefter and Rapaport wrote like dueling articles this weekend on players that could be traded and it was like a laundry list of players with a lot of Rb's and he could did not even make their lists. Because as you say the playoff chase is very much alive.

When Hampton went down that's one team I thought about due to Macdonlds connection with Harbaugh and Hortiz maybe helping facilitate a deal but then I realized I was just guilty of wish casting. Just does not seem remotely under consideration by them and again I go back to Walker buying into essentially being the secondary RB and feel like the only way to get them to change their mind is if he voiced his displeasure. Don't see it.

Won't help this year but dynasty owners just have to hope like hell they don't convince him to resign.
 
Would love to see him traded to the Chiefs. With his pass catching ability, he'd be a monster in Kansas City. And I think Charbs would become a fantasy stud in Seattle.
 
Would love to see him traded to the Chiefs. With his pass catching ability, he'd be a monster in Kansas City. And I think Charbs would become a fantasy stud in Seattle.
unfortunately, that ain't happenin. Seattle is winning, they're loving life right now....no reason to change anything from their perspective. We just have to deal with the reality of it until some adversity / injuries occur.
 
incredibly frustrating when anyone with eyes can see the difference in talent. this is Free Aaron Jones all over again.
OMG, I used to scream at the TV WTF is Jamaweful Williams doing playing ahead of Jones. Here I am in the same situation. It is silly, KW3 is suited for outside zone running, Charbs is near the bottom in the league YPC currently. There is both the eye test plus stats, KW3 4.7 ypc, Charb 2.6 ypc.
 
Denny Carter - Rotoworld. Nails it 😆

◆ You gotta hand it to the Seahawks for committing to the bit. Zach Charbonnet, who’s probably the worst running back in the NFL, continues working as the main goal line guy over Ken Walker, whose backers are sucking down dangerous amounts of copium after six weeks. Walker, in case you’re wondering, has two touchdowns on five inside-the-ten rushes. He’s converted both of his inside-the-five attempts for TDs. It’s a good bit the Hawks have going with Charbs. Until they give it up, Walker won’t have many chances at the plunge-in sort of touchdowns. Whoever gets that gig should have lots of opportunity, as no team has a lower pass rate over expected than Seattle inside the ten yard line this season.
 
I recall some detractors giving Walker hell for his 3.7 YPC last season. Well, Charbonnet's 2.6 YPC this season isn't impressing anyone either (other than the Seahawks coaching staff, apparently). As far as durability goes, one of these guys has missed a game to injury so far this season and it isn't Walker.
 
Denny Carter - Rotoworld. Nails it 😆

◆ You gotta hand it to the Seahawks for committing to the bit. Zach Charbonnet, who’s probably the worst running back in the NFL, continues working as the main goal line guy over Ken Walker, whose backers are sucking down dangerous amounts of copium after six weeks. Walker, in case you’re wondering, has two touchdowns on five inside-the-ten rushes. He’s converted both of his inside-the-five attempts for TDs. It’s a good bit the Hawks have going with Charbs. Until they give it up, Walker won’t have many chances at the plunge-in sort of touchdowns. Whoever gets that gig should have lots of opportunity, as no team has a lower pass rate over expected than Seattle inside the ten yard line this season.
Considering it's Roto...they'll be saying Charbs is the greatest NFL RB to ever play the game tomorrow. :ROFLMAO:
 
There is Seattle sports writer, not sure if he's a regular on Seahawk beat, named Greg Bell. Assume those from the area or Seattle fans know him, I don't follow him but he seems credible but also more of a MLB reporter.

Anyway he tweeted out Walker's snap counts is because they are managing his foot. I don't buy it myself because if protecting Walker's foot was an issue the game the Charbs missed they said "we don't care to protect him any longer". That does not jive.

Another beat writer wrote something that makes a little more sense where he said Walkers overall durability issues combined with Seattle facing the most stacked boxes in the league is the issue. Basically saying they'd rather preserver Walker on these battering ram type runs and sacrifice Charbonnet in a manner of speaking to bear the brunt of running into a wall. This makes more sense to me.

But none of it makes complete sense to me, not for the playing time splits to be this drastic, especially since about every single week in his post-game presser I'll hear Mike Macdonald lament the running game is not going as well as he'd like. At some point I don't know how you can only play Walker 19 snaps like last week, when he was running very effectively, and be able to keep a straight face when you say things like he's been saying after games about being frustrated about the rushing attack.
 
It's really simple and it's amazing how many people just won't accept it.

When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.

When Walker splits time, he is efficient and spry and makes big dynamic plays.

Hence, they are happy to have Walker splitting time and getting good dynamic Walker on half the carries instead of none of them.

Walker is happy with it because it's better for his next contract for him to split time and look good than it is to be a workhorse and look bad and get injured again, which if it had happened again this year would have been the end of any hope of him ever getting a big 2nd contract.

So everyone is happy. Except fantasy owners who keep banging their heads against the wall and asking the coaches to make the same mistake that they made for two straight years before giving up on it and changing to something that is working.
 
When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.
I don't really agree with any of this. He's operated behind a woeful OL the last few years and just because you don't break off long runs does not mean you suck. Bijan had never even had a 40 yard run until this season. Walker graded out awesome in several metrics last year, behind that awful OL, but sure, he sucked because he did not break off long runs.

Yes he's got hurt a little. Data suggest he's no more injury prone then Barkley was a similar juncture of his career, he's certainly played more games in a similar timeframe. This reminds me of the discourse around Swift being injury prone early in his career despite the fact he'd played in well over 80% of his games but was getting treated like he was early career Kendre Miller. At this point in Walker's career he's played in 82% of his games while averaging 16.7 touches. I hardly think that makes him some made of glass type some portray him as being.

So everyone is happy. Except fantasy owners who keep banging their heads against the wall and asking the coaches to make the same mistake that they made for two straight years before giving up on it and changing to something that is working.
Except that's not true. Almost every single game their head coach is lamenting how they can't run the ball. Whatever he's doing is not working for fantasy owners or the team so really no one is happy.
 
It's really simple and it's amazing how many people just won't accept it.

When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.

When Walker splits time, he is efficient and spry and makes big dynamic plays.

Hence, they are happy to have Walker splitting time and getting good dynamic Walker on half the carries instead of none of them.

Walker is happy with it because it's better for his next contract for him to split time and look good than it is to be a workhorse and look bad and get injured again, which if it had happened again this year would have been the end of any hope of him ever getting a big 2nd contract.

So everyone is happy. Except fantasy owners who keep banging their heads against the wall and asking the coaches to make the same mistake that they made for two straight years before giving up on it and changing to something that is working.
I dont know what the concept of people not accepting is that you're referring too. We knew there was a strong 1/1a dynamic entering the season and with KW3 hurt her might have been in the 1a/1b slot.

The biggest impact on him this year vs last is he's gone from a 14 percent target share to 5. Seattle is throwing to their backs less than anyone in the league. So you could live with a time share (albeit, the goal line role would be nice too).

We didn't necessarily have this in mind heading into the season, but between Darnold's tendencies and JSN"s emergence, the offense has changed.

But losing the 8-10 a game from the receiving work has really capped him
 
Tony Pauline reports that the Seahawks would be willing to trade CB Riq Woolen for Dolphins RB De’Von Achane “if the opportunity existed.”

Like what
I would be willing to go on a date with Sydney Sweeney "if the opportunity existed".

I don't know, that rumor sounds pretty specific, not buying what Pauline is selling. Usually these multi-player deals aren't known until they actually happen.
 
When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.
I don't really agree with any of this. He's operated behind a woeful OL the last few years and just because you don't break off long runs does not mean you suck. Bijan had never even had a 40 yard run until this season. Walker graded out awesome in several metrics last year, behind that awful OL, but sure, he sucked because he did not break off long runs.

Yes he's got hurt a little. Data suggest he's no more injury prone then Barkley was a similar juncture of his career, he's certainly played more games in a similar timeframe. This reminds me of the discourse around Swift being injury prone early in his career despite the fact he'd played in well over 80% of his games but was getting treated like he was early career Kendre Miller. At this point in Walker's career he's played in 82% of his games while averaging 16.7 touches. I hardly think that makes him some made of glass type some portray him as being.

Well I don't agree with your non-agreement :P

Charbs played behind that same O-line the last two years and pretty consistently outperformed Walker. This year with a fresh Walker he can't keep up.

Last year KW3's production and efficiency continually declined throughout the season and throughout the game. In each of the last two years his worst quarter was the 4th quarter. This year it is (by far) his best, when he's getting those carries against a tired defense while he's still relatively fresh.

Regarding the injuries, he hasn't missed a ton of time to injury but he's played while dinged up a ton and not his usual dynamic self a ton, which has affected his production. Even the pro-est of pro KW3 supporters in this thread spent all offseason lamenting his injuries, and saying that he would be great until he inevitably gets hurt again.
 
It's really simple and it's amazing how many people just won't accept it.

When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.

When Walker splits time, he is efficient and spry and makes big dynamic plays.

Hence, they are happy to have Walker splitting time and getting good dynamic Walker on half the carries instead of none of them.

Walker is happy with it because it's better for his next contract for him to split time and look good than it is to be a workhorse and look bad and get injured again, which if it had happened again this year would have been the end of any hope of him ever getting a big 2nd contract.

So everyone is happy. Except fantasy owners who keep banging their heads against the wall and asking the coaches to make the same mistake that they made for two straight years before giving up on it and changing to something that is working.
I dont know what the concept of people not accepting is that you're referring too. We knew there was a strong 1/1a dynamic entering the season and with KW3 hurt her might have been in the 1a/1b slot.

That's the exact opposite of what people thought this offseason, at least in this thread.

All offseason long it was people constantly saying the feature role is Walker's and "the coaches have made it clear that Walker is the feature back". Over and over and over again.

I know because I said all offseason that a split was likely and got consistently dismissed or even roasted for it. This thread is full of people saying Walker is obviously the guy and the only/primary risk is that he gets hurt again at some point, in which case Charbs makes a good handcuff, but is nothing more.
 
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It's really simple and it's amazing how many people just won't accept it.

When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.

When Walker splits time, he is efficient and spry and makes big dynamic plays.

Hence, they are happy to have Walker splitting time and getting good dynamic Walker on half the carries instead of none of them.

Walker is happy with it because it's better for his next contract for him to split time and look good than it is to be a workhorse and look bad and get injured again, which if it had happened again this year would have been the end of any hope of him ever getting a big 2nd contract.

So everyone is happy. Except fantasy owners who keep banging their heads against the wall and asking the coaches to make the same mistake that they made for two straight years before giving up on it and changing to something that is working.
I dont know what the concept of people not accepting is that you're referring too. We knew there was a strong 1/1a dynamic entering the season and with KW3 hurt her might have been in the 1a/1b slot.

That's the exact opposite of what people thought this offseason, at least in this thread.

All offseason long it was people constantly saying the feature role is Walker's and "the coaches have made it clear that Walker is the feature back". Over and over and over again.

I know because I said all offseason that a split was likely and got consistently dismissed or even roasted for it. This thread is full of people saying Walker is obviously the guy and the only/primary risk is that he gets hurt again at some point, in which case Charbs makes a good handcuff, but is nothing more.
He is definitely obviously the guy. Charbs has been terrible. Like one of the least efficient rbs in the league if not the outright least.
The coaches have their reasons but nothing changes that charbs is scrubbing it up
 
When Walker operates as a workhorse, he sucks and doesn't break off long runs and gets hurt.
I don't really agree with any of this. He's operated behind a woeful OL the last few years and just because you don't break off long runs does not mean you suck. Bijan had never even had a 40 yard run until this season. Walker graded out awesome in several metrics last year, behind that awful OL, but sure, he sucked because he did not break off long runs.

Yes he's got hurt a little. Data suggest he's no more injury prone then Barkley was a similar juncture of his career, he's certainly played more games in a similar timeframe. This reminds me of the discourse around Swift being injury prone early in his career despite the fact he'd played in well over 80% of his games but was getting treated like he was early career Kendre Miller. At this point in Walker's career he's played in 82% of his games while averaging 16.7 touches. I hardly think that makes him some made of glass type some portray him as being.

Well I don't agree with your non-agreement :P

Charbs played behind that same O-line the last two years and pretty consistently outperformed Walker. This year with a fresh Walker he can't keep up.

Last year KW3's production and efficiency continually declined throughout the season and throughout the game. In each of the last two years his worst quarter was the 4th quarter. This year it is (by far) his best, when he's getting those carries against a tired defense while he's still relatively fresh.

Regarding the injuries, he hasn't missed a ton of time to injury but he's played while dinged up a ton and not his usual dynamic self a ton, which has affected his production. Even the pro-est of pro KW3 supporters in this thread spent all offseason lamenting his injuries, and saying that he would be great until he inevitably gets hurt again.
I don’t think it’s accurate that Charbs consistently out performed Walker last season.

Oddly enough Macdonald inferred the blocking as not been as good for Charbs so the notion the blocking is always the same for each RB behind the same OL may not be a something he believes in. I don’t know I buy that myself as much as situations are different.

Walker is playing less snaps but his total touches are just a few from his normal workload the past few seasons, about 3 less. Seems like a stretch to say that’s leading to more explosive runs or him being better in the 4th quarter to me.

I do however thing there is something to what I posted yesterday about a beat writer saying they are essentially using Charbs more on high impact, short yardage ribs against stacked boxes to help keep Walker fresh. This would of course include most goal line carries or as Macdonald phrased it as the low red zone. I am certainly frustrated for fantasy he uses Charbs in that area but I won’t call it wrong either.

Your comment on the injuries is again exactly the stuff people used to counter on Swift when I’d point out the higher percentage of games he’s actually played 16.7 touches in 82% of possible games is what it is to me, and that’s someone who I’d not call durable but also not someone always injured or limited by injury either. Basically relative the position what I’d view as just a little below baseline of normal.
 

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