RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (2 Viewers)

[Payne]

Unfortunately for Walker owners (e.g., me), Charbs looked pretty good yesterday. I dunno if it’s because he’s finally over that foot injury from earlier in the year or the AZ defense is just terrible, but he wasn’t plodding around per usual.

He did look good yesterday.

 

[Bronco Billy]

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

To be honest, not really. Look, I'm not alone. Plenty of others including many experts out there are also dumbfounded by the usage.
Without question Walker is the better RB.

I love Kubiak and his dad. They have produced some fantastic stats with RB's far, FAR less talented than Walker. And Charbonnet to be fair.
The truth is what they are doing has been working. They are winning games despite the lack of a great running game.

As many of you have said, they aren't going to change it now. So, yes, Charbonnet is the better fantasy player. In no way do I believe he is the better back.

Sounds like there are a lot out there like you who misunderstand how to measure effectiveness in a RB. There’s a whole lot more to it than deep speed.

 

[Payne]

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

To be honest, not really. Look, I'm not alone. Plenty of others including many experts out there are also dumbfounded by the usage.
Without question Walker is the better RB.

I love Kubiak and his dad. They have produced some fantastic stats with RB's far, FAR less talented than Walker. And Charbonnet to be fair.
The truth is what they are doing has been working. They are winning games despite the lack of a great running game.

As many of you have said, they aren't going to change it now. So, yes, Charbonnet is the better fantasy player. In no way do I believe he is the better back.

Sounds like there are a lot out there like you who misunderstand how to measure effectiveness in a RB. There’s a whole lot more to it than deep speed.

I'm not doing this back-and-forth garbage with you. I got it. Your opinion is what matters. Anyone who disagrees with you "misunderstands".
The facts are the facts. Walker has better numbers. You can argue otherwise all you want.

Have a good day.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He'll be FA this off-season... hopefully they don't tag him or something

 

[Payne]

He'll be FA this off-season... hopefully they don't tag him or something

He would look good next to Daniels in Washington.

 

[OnTheReg]

Complete gut instinct but I think he has a great game this week. Please only quote me on this if I am right. Thank you.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He'll be FA this off-season... hopefully they don't tag him or something

He would look good next to Daniels in Washington.

or Kanas City!!

 

[Timmay]

Complete gut instinct but I think he has a great game this week. Please only quote me on this if I am right. Thank you.

I've been having this same gut instinct since week 4.

 

[Drake Hater]

Complete gut instinct but I think he has a great game this week. Please only quote me on this if I am right. Thank you.

I dropped him so I agree with this 100%

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just because I can't help it, YTD:

Walker 120 carries, 539 yards and 3 TD's. 4.5 YPC.
Charbonnet 94 carries, 313 yards and 6 TD's. 3.3 YPC.

Walker has also been targeted more, etc.

I know you'll fire back with situations and who gets what carries, etc. We have a difference of opinion. That's fine.

If you exclude all carries inside the opponents' 5 yard line (since those carries supress YPC), Charbonnet's numbers are 79 carries, 280 yards, 0 TDs (3.4 YPC)

Walker and Charbonnet each have 1 TD from outside the 5 yard line, Walker hitting one from 19 yards out and Charbonnet from 6 yards out. Why Walker isn't using more inside the 5 is beyond me, considering he showed capable of scoring those goal line TD's too (2 of them against the Saints when Charbs was out with injury).

Defining "short yardage carries" as a carry inside the 5 on any down, as well as 3rd/4th down and 3 or less anywhere on the field, here are their conversion rates (IE converted carry inside 5 into a TD, or converted 3rd/4th and short into a first down).

For their careers Walker has 78 short yardage attempts, Charbs has 64.

Short yardage conversion rate
Walker: 37%
Charbs: 52%

Looking at the numbers closer, it actually gets even slightly worse for KW3 as his best year was his rookie season, and he's been trending downwards since then. But even KW3's best season in conversion rate is worse than Charb's worst season.

Conversion rate by year.

Walker
2022: 44%
2023: 26%
2024: 40%
2025: 33%

Charbs
2023: 53%
2024: 50%
2025: 53%

 

[Bronco Billy]

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

To be honest, not really. Look, I'm not alone. Plenty of others including many experts out there are also dumbfounded by the usage.
Without question Walker is the better RB.

I love Kubiak and his dad. They have produced some fantastic stats with RB's far, FAR less talented than Walker. And Charbonnet to be fair.
The truth is what they are doing has been working. They are winning games despite the lack of a great running game.

As many of you have said, they aren't going to change it now. So, yes, Charbonnet is the better fantasy player. In no way do I believe he is the better back.

Sounds like there are a lot out there like you who misunderstand how to measure effectiveness in a RB. There’s a whole lot more to it than deep speed.

I'm not doing this back-and-forth garbage with you. I got it. Your opinion is what matters. Anyone who disagrees with you "misunderstands".
The facts are the facts. Walker has better numbers. You can argue otherwise all you want.

Have a good day.

You’ve been putting down anyone who disagrees with you, but I guess you can dish it out but can’t take it. I’ve also stated multiple times that Kubiak is a proven superior evaluator of RBs above and beyond anyone here, including the both of us - and we can see what his position is. I’m not sure how you credibly argue that.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Just because I can't help it, YTD:

Walker 120 carries, 539 yards and 3 TD's. 4.5 YPC.
Charbonnet 94 carries, 313 yards and 6 TD's. 3.3 YPC.

Walker has also been targeted more, etc.

I know you'll fire back with situations and who gets what carries, etc. We have a difference of opinion. That's fine.

If you exclude all carries inside the opponents' 5 yard line (since those carries supress YPC), Charbonnet's numbers are 79 carries, 280 yards, 0 TDs (3.4 YPC)

Walker and Charbonnet each have 1 TD from outside the 5 yard line, Walker hitting one from 19 yards out and Charbonnet from 6 yards out. Why Walker isn't using more inside the 5 is beyond me, considering he showed capable of scoring those goal line TD's too (2 of them against the Saints when Charbs was out with injury).

Defining "short yardage carries" as a carry inside the 5 on any down, as well as 3rd/4th down and 3 or less anywhere on the field, here are their conversion rates (IE converted carry inside 5 into a TD, or converted 3rd/4th and short into a first down).

For their careers Walker has 78 short yardage attempts, Charbs has 64.

Short yardage conversion rate
Walker: 37%
Charbs: 52%

Looking at the numbers closer, it actually gets even slightly worse for KW3 as his best year was his rookie season, and he's been trending downwards since then. But even KW3's best season in conversion rate is worse than Charb's worst season.

Conversion rate by year.

Walker
2022: 44%
2023: 26%
2024: 40%
2025: 33%

Charbs
2023: 53%
2024: 50%
2025: 53%

Here’s some piling on:

Walker. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WalkKe00/splits/2025/

Down/distance 2025. 2024. 2023.
2022

3rd/4th down 1-3 yds 0-0yds 8-12yds 9-32yds 19-45yds

3rd/4th down 1-3 yds total 37-99yds

inside opp’s 10 8-10yds 15-19yds 19-18yds
16-7yds

inside 10 total 58-54

Charbonnet. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CharZa00/splits/2025/

Down/distance 2025. 2024. 2023.

3rd/4th down 1-3 yds 11-27yds 14-51yds 11-52yds

3rd/4th down 1-3 yds total 36-130yds

inside 10 15-27yds 17-36yds 13-0yds

inside 10 total 45-63yds

 

[Payne]

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

To be honest, not really. Look, I'm not alone. Plenty of others including many experts out there are also dumbfounded by the usage.
Without question Walker is the better RB.

I love Kubiak and his dad. They have produced some fantastic stats with RB's far, FAR less talented than Walker. And Charbonnet to be fair.
The truth is what they are doing has been working. They are winning games despite the lack of a great running game.

As many of you have said, they aren't going to change it now. So, yes, Charbonnet is the better fantasy player. In no way do I believe he is the better back.

Sounds like there are a lot out there like you who misunderstand how to measure effectiveness in a RB. There’s a whole lot more to it than deep speed.

I'm not doing this back-and-forth garbage with you. I got it. Your opinion is what matters. Anyone who disagrees with you "misunderstands".
The facts are the facts. Walker has better numbers. You can argue otherwise all you want.

Have a good day.

You’ve been putting down anyone who disagrees with you, but I guess you can dish it out but can’t take it. I’ve also stated multiple times that Kubiak is a proven superior evaluator of RBs above and beyond anyone here, including the both of us - and we can see what his position is. I’m not sure how you credibly argue that.

It's not about disagreeing; it's about your continuous condescending tone.

I don't believe I have been "putting down" people who disagree. Maybe I'm wrong.

Take care.

 

[Bronco Billy]

It never enters your mind that Kubiak might understand NFL RBs more than you and that you may actually be the one who is wrong, does it?

To be honest, not really. Look, I'm not alone. Plenty of others including many experts out there are also dumbfounded by the usage.
Without question Walker is the better RB.

I love Kubiak and his dad. They have produced some fantastic stats with RB's far, FAR less talented than Walker. And Charbonnet to be fair.
The truth is what they are doing has been working. They are winning games despite the lack of a great running game.

As many of you have said, they aren't going to change it now. So, yes, Charbonnet is the better fantasy player. In no way do I believe he is the better back.

Sounds like there are a lot out there like you who misunderstand how to measure effectiveness in a RB. There’s a whole lot more to it than deep speed.

I'm not doing this back-and-forth garbage with you. I got it. Your opinion is what matters. Anyone who disagrees with you "misunderstands".
The facts are the facts. Walker has better numbers. You can argue otherwise all you want.

Have a good day.

You’ve been putting down anyone who disagrees with you, but I guess you can dish it out but can’t take it. I’ve also stated multiple times that Kubiak is a proven superior evaluator of RBs above and beyond anyone here, including the both of us - and we can see what his position is. I’m not sure how you credibly argue that.

It's not about disagreeing; it's about your continuous condescending tone.

I don't believe I have been "putting down" people who disagree. Maybe I'm wrong.

Take care.

Pot, meet kettle. You certainly lack self awareness. You brought this on yourself, now you’re acting the victim. With that, I’m done with you.

 

[JohnnyU]

Group

 

[FBG Moderator]

Drop the back and forth slap fight insults at each other and keep this 100% on football.

 

[menobrown]

Not sure if anyone keeps track of this stuff, but if they do, I'd be willing to bet he leads the league this year in lost fantasy points overturned on penalties.

 

[KellysHeroes]

it finally happened, how many benches was he on today!!!

 

[zed2283]

Traded him earlier this week. You're welcome.

 

[VikingFrog]

Traded him earlier this week. You're welcome.

Me too! Gave away Kenny and Charbs because I was tired of guessing wrong.

Still wouldn’t have won this week.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Traded him earlier this week. You're welcome.

Me too! Gave away Kenny and Charbs because I was tired of guessing wrong.

Still wouldn’t have won this week.

Dynasty?
What did you get

 

[VikingFrog]

Traded him earlier this week. You're welcome.

Me too! Gave away Kenny and Charbs because I was tired of guessing wrong.

Still wouldn’t have won this week.

Dynasty?
What did you get

No. Redraft.

Vidal and Jameson Williams and Bill Crowley for Walker and Charbs packaged together.

So far so bad in hindsight,

I really needed to win this week to stay in the playoff race and my mind at the time had Vidal as a better play than trying to guess which one of Walker or Charbs would score.

 

[zed2283]

Traded him earlier this week. You're welcome.

Me too! Gave away Kenny and Charbs because I was tired of guessing wrong.

Still wouldn’t have won this week.

Dynasty?
What did you get

I traded in redraft also. Got M.Andrews and A.Pierce.

 

[Drake Hater]

Definitely saw this coming when I dropped him this past week. New owner still had him on the bench though.

 

[Payne]

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Sat warming my bench alongside Tet. Good times.

On a more relevant note, is this more of a one-off or (preferably) a growing trend of usage, especially RZ usage?

 

[msudaisy26]

Sat warming my bench alongside Tet. Good times.

On a more relevant note, is this more of a one-off or (preferably) a growing trend of usage, especially RZ usage?

Flip a coin.

 

[Drake Hater]

On a more relevant note, is this more of a one-off or (preferably) a growing trend of usage, especially RZ usage?

This is the Walker ride this season unfortunately. I had to jump off of it. Expected points are always high WTW but he kept busting, and that weekly lineup stress sucked. Best of luck to everyone with this guy going forward.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Complete gut instinct but I think he has a great game this week. Please only quote me on this if I am right. Thank you.

Well done sir, no idea what it was about this particular game that spoke to you, but I wish I listened

 

[KellysHeroes]

so what do we do next week against Tenn

 

[OnTheReg]

Complete gut instinct but I think he has a great game this week. Please only quote me on this if I am right. Thank you.

Well done sir, no idea what it was about this particular game that spoke to you, but I wish I listened

Thank you! But unfortunately, I didn't even listen to myself, and he was on my bench.

 

[tricky92]

so what do we do next week against Tenn

Starting.

 

[Payne]

so what do we do next week against Tenn

You start him and watch Charbonnet get 3ypc and two 1-yard TD plunges.

 

[tricky92]

so what do we do next week against Tenn

You start him and watch Charbonnet get 3ypc and two 1-yard TD plunges.

Not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[Lansdowne]

so what do we do next week against Tenn

You start him and watch Charbonnet get 3ypc and two 1-yard TD plunges.

It's been rough. Drafting the Rashaad Penny replacement in 2022 only to see the Kenneth Walker replacement get drafted a year later. Knew Zach Charbonnet would be a problem for fantasy eventually, and here he is doing his best Mike Tolbert impersonation. Not so much this past week, but has been for most of this season. I hope whoever takes Walker next offseason lets him be the guy.

Edit - Walker hasn't missed a game so far this year, knock on wood, so I know at least for IRL purposes what the Seahawks are doing is working. Just sucks for fantasy.

 

[TampaMike19]

Basically a boom bust flex option. Kinda reminds me of Aaron jones who could get you 6 or 18. I think just start him and shoot for upside in your lineup somehow

 

[Payne]

I do wonder if perhaps Seattle has been managing his reps due to the early season injury and maybe now he is back to 100%.

 

[menobrown]

Really, what he showed you in the last 3.5 seasons did not make you think he deserved more then the role he's had this year?

https://x.com/MikeDugar/status/1990567896700104854

@MikeDugar

Mike Macdonald says you could feel Ken Walker III's impact on the ground and in the passing game Sunday and that “Ken is showing that he deserves some more opportunities.”

 

[infantsam]

Jacobs likely out so J Will becomes #1 and I need a #2

Walker or Marks?

 

[Ray Barboni]

Jacobs likely out so J Will becomes #1 and I need a #2

Walker or Marks?

K9