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RB Kenyan Drake, Retired (2 Viewers)

twood said:
I believe Drake is in for a good year due to Gase's past. He has never shown RBBC, he uses his rbs in the passing and has always given his lead dog the GL touches.

Look at Moreno while he was in Denver, Forte while he was in Chicago, Ajayi in Miami and last year Drake once he was the guy.

He wants his main back getting the load and his offenses have always been productive!
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Yeah, I guess but he also seems to have real difficulty settling on who is actually his main back.

 
If Gore factors in to the equation for you, that’s a comment on Drake, not Gore. I think most of us can agree that Gore is a baseline #2 at best right now. His contract suggests that that’s how the league views him as well. If having an average backup behind him is enough to scare you off of Drake then you likely just don’t like the talent; which is fine as it’s subjective and the sample size is small. 

That said, I personally don’t get the Gore fear. It’s blatantly obvious to me who the better player is at this point in their careers. I’m certainly worried about Drake’s injury history and bust chances, but not old man Frank.

 
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Biabreakable said:
Drake is no Elliot or Bell, so what was the point of making that statement?

The whole point of me talking about this is because Drake is being overdrafted, and Gore is part of the reason why.
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As much talent as bell and Elliot have, their teams still give other backs first team reps. I'm not seeing much signifance in Gore or the other guy getting some in.

 
cloppbeast said:
As much talent as bell and Elliot have, their teams still give other backs first team reps. I'm not seeing much signifance in Gore or the other guy getting some in.
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Of course. Bell likely gets the highest percentage of plays about 90% of the offensive snaps in 2017 except for two of the 15 games he played.

Most teams split a lot more than this, I would say feature RB snaps are somewhere near 65% otherwise it is RBBC.

If that is the point you were trying to make, sorry I missed it. I think I get it now.

I am thinking that the split will be 50/40% between Gore and Drake or 45/45 if both of them are healthy. The other 10% is another RB such as Ballage or Perry or Langford getting the other 10% of the snaps.

Drake might get more opportunities per snap than Gore, but I am thinking it will be a similar split there as well between Gore./Drake//Maybe Langford? Not sure who the 3rd RB will be yet.

 
Biabreakable said:
Of course. Bell likely gets the highest percentage of plays about 90% of the offensive snaps in 2017 except for two of the 15 games he played.

Most teams split a lot more than this, I would say feature RB snaps are somewhere near 65% otherwise it is RBBC.

If that is the point you were trying to make, sorry I missed it. I think I get it now.

I am thinking that the split will be 50/40% between Gore and Drake or 45/45 if both of them are healthy. The other 10% is another RB such as Ballage or Perry or Langford getting the other 10% of the snaps.

Drake might get more opportunities per snap than Gore, but I am thinking it will be a similar split there as well between Gore./Drake//Maybe Langford? Not sure who the 3rd RB will be yet.
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So, I'm guessing you don't like Drake.

 
Biabreakable said:
I am thinking that the split will be 50/40% between Gore and Drake or 45/45 if both of them are healthy. The other 10% is another RB such as Ballage or Perry or Langford getting the other 10% of the snaps.
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Yeah, I don't know about all that. Based on the information available you have to think the Dolphins will give Drake every opportunity to carry the load. Whether he takes advantage or squanders it, that's up for debate. Gore has nothing to do with it. It's pretty clear you don't like Drake, which has no weight on how this works out. But if you're right and he actually isn't any good, we could see Gore get some opportunities.

 
After his quiet rookie year, I had all but written him off.

Now I think he looks like a good value in redraft and dynasty. He surprised me a little bit last year with what he showed. He is more talented than people think. Not a phenomenal inside runner due to his lack of power, but he's slippery in space. Breakout candidate.

 
EBF said:
After his quiet rookie year, I had all but written him off.

Now I think he looks like a good value in redraft and dynasty. He surprised me a little bit last year with what he showed. He is more talented than people think. Not a phenomenal inside runner due to his lack of power, but he's slippery in space. Breakout candidate.
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He's never in a rush while carrying the ball, always processing. There's a little Leveon to his game. The sublty wont impress many until it's too late.

 
SCT said:
I’m surprised nobody else has bumped this after that run.  Me likey.  
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Miami appears to be next in line to replace Cleveland as the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL. They have huge question marks at QB and their skill positions. Gore may be long in the tooth but I can still see him earning a big role based on how Miami split last season. Game script for this poor team may also be a negative.

On a positive note, I love his big play ability and he has decent catching skills. I am just not sure he can provide enough consistency for his team and FF to be counted on.

 
You kind of just need to get around name value with him, he passes the eye test with flying colors. But still, I look back at last year and the split between Drake and Williams before Williams' injury and do not understand why Gase gave Williams any work let alone ~50% of it.

I know he suffered some injuries in college..

Nov 14, 2015 - Humerous Fracture - Drake missed 2 games with a broken bone in his right arm.

Oct 24, 2015 - Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 - Drake sustained a concussion in 2015, although the exact date is unknown. He didn't miss any games.

Oct 4, 2014 - Pedal Ankle Fracture - Drake missed the final 9 games of the 2014 season with a broken and dislocated ankle.

Is Gase really that concerned about his durability?

 
SCT said:
I’m surprised nobody else has bumped this after that run.  Me likey.  
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Most people don't believe in Drake. I do. Can't wait for people to realize that a crap team like Miami will never give substantial carries to a 35 yr old guy, and Ballage is just a guy they drafted for depth. Big season coming.

 
Jello_Biafra said:
Most people don't believe in Drake. I do. Can't wait for people to realize that a crap team like Miami will never give substantial carries to a 35 yr old guy, and Ballage is just a guy they drafted for depth. Big season coming.
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Got him and ajayi and feel the same on both. 

 
He looked great last night. Wondering thoughts on him vs Collins, Henry, Ajayi, Miller, etc in redraft. Personally,  I think I’d take him over Collins. 

 
It's kind of bizarre to me.  He is not particularly undersized but from his entire scouting college report through his time in the NFL where Ajayi was traded there was not one single report or scouting blurb I could find that even mentioned a possibility of him ever being a feature back.  Literally every single one I could find made the assumption that his upside was as a change of pace back.

I still can't figure out why.  Like I said he's not huge but he's not particularly undersized, and he looks like a pretty prototypical running back when he's out there running the ball to me.

Without watching him play he has the "feel" of a guy who is going to be a bust.  Comes in late in the year with fresh legs and blows up, then disappears into obscurity like we've seen so many times before.  But watching him he just looks like the real deal to me.  I am a buyer at his current prices.  It doesn't hurt that the bust "feeling" seems to be fairly universal as he's not commanding the same kind of value that these late season bloomers typically do.

Heck, both his draft capital and his late season breakout are very similar to David Johnson's, and you had to spend a top 10 dynasty startup pick to get Johnson at that point.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
It's kind of bizarre to me. He is not particularly undersized but from his entire scouting college report through his time in the NFL where Ajayi was traded there was not one single report or scouting blurb I could find that even mentioned a possibility of him ever being a feature back. Literally every single one I could find made the assumption that his upside was as a change of pace back.
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It has to be some combo of his injury history and his tendency to bounce #### to the outside although he seems to have gotten better at being more patient. He seems like he went from being like Marlon Mack, someone who I consider to be a better athlete than runner (and who seems to get injured a lot/is bounce happy), to someone who looks like a natural. I don't know, I watched Drake finish a run yesterday against Bradberry where Bradberry lowered his head, went helmet to helmet and knocked himself out. Drake was fine, finished the run hard and seem unphased. He's not particularity powerful but he's not being brought down by arm tackles either. I'm not seeing any blatant weaknesses to his game but we're also dealing with such a tiny sample size.

I see myself drafting him and it scares me. 

 
He's on the lighter side for a back, with a taller and lankier frame than average. Playing a committee role at Alabama likely didn't help the narrative either, as he was always rotating and sharing with other backs. Not totally dissimilar to Kamara in that respect.

 
Is it possible that he's a bit underrated in PPR? Although exciting Gesiki lacks experience and probably isn't the optimal safety valve for Tannehill. And Amendola isn't going to fill in 1:1 for Landry who commanded 28% target share while in MIA with Gase. Gase also has some experience with pass catching backs as he was the OC in CHI with Forte for a year. 

 
I understand the concern that he was in . timeshare with Williams because Gase felt... whatever. But when Drake got his shot he did everything he was supposed to do to prove he deserves the job.

They didn't bring in any legitimate competition, Gore feels like a safety valve. You can ride him if you need to but hope you don't have to.

I think the plan is to give Drake every chance to succeed and I would draft him based upon whether you think he will or won't. I think he is going to have one of the wider ranges of draft position and represents a legitimate opportunity to fall, possibly far in any given draft. He could be one of those guys you hope falls if you plan to go zero RB.  

 
Chaka said:
I understand the concern that he was in . timeshare with Williams because Gase felt... whatever. But when Drake got his shot he did everything he was supposed to do to prove he deserves the job.

They didn't bring in any legitimate competition, Gore feels like a safety valve. You can ride him if you need to but hope you don't have to.

I think the plan is to give Drake every chance to succeed and I would draft him based upon whether you think he will or won't. I think he is going to have one of the wider ranges of draft position and represents a legitimate opportunity to fall, possibly far in any given draft. He could be one of those guys you hope falls if you plan to go zero RB.  
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Depends on your definition of zero running back. He was going in the late 3rf or early 4th back in July, but lately I have seen him go as early as 3.01 and he never makes it past 3.05ish

 
msudaisy26 said:
Depends on your definition of zero running back. He was going in the late 3rf or early 4th back in July, but lately I have seen him go as early as 3.01 and he never makes it past 3.05ish
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I always wonder what people mean when they say that. Seen where? Are.you participating in a bunch of drafts.or looking at a bunch of ADP charts? Watching/participating in mocks? When you mock is it alone or with others? Friends and acquaintances or strangers?

Sincerely curious.

 
Chaka said:
I always wonder what people mean when they say that. Seen where? Are.you participating in a bunch of drafts.or looking at a bunch of ADP charts? Watching/participating in mocks? When you mock is it alone or with others? Friends and acquaintances or strangers?

Sincerely curious.
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A little of everything. I have done a lot of best ball drafts (FFPC), since the end of May, I did a few FBG championship through the FFPC, 3 dynasty start ups (1 in March, 1 in June, 1 last week)

When I get trade offers I go back over my draft boards to see which way a player is trending (See if someone is trying to buy low or over reacting to a preseason game) and I have had a lot of offers on Drake in the last 10 days. 

So I went back and looked. I got Drake in those bestball leagues I did in May in the late 3rd into the middle of the 4th, but the later leagues I did he was creeping into the middle of the 3rd and my last FBG championship he went 3.01. 

Then I checked my dynasties. The one I did in March I got him in the 7th, the one in June I got him in the beginning of the 5th, and this last 1 I didn't get him, but he went 3.04. 

Obviously this is my personal experience, but it spans a good 40 different drafts. 

 
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Two 30+ yard plays tonight. Best player on the Dolphins O by far. Please stay healthy.

Fun facts:

- Drake was the #6 RB in the PPR leagues after the Ajayi trade last season. He ranked 9th in ppg among RBs during that stretch.

- Drake tied for 6th in the NFL last year with 7 runs of 20+ yards. He ranked just 36th in carries.

Getting more excited about his prospects with each passing week. He's not much of a power runner between the tackles or at the goal line, but he has unique big play talent and versatility. On his 30+ yard catch tonight he was split out like a WR and ran a vertical route. How many RBs in the NFL can do that?

I think it's really as simple as he's going to be a steal in PPR...if he stays healthy. The talent is there. All comes down to durability. His body type is a little funky and his history of injuries is spotty. If he can hold up, he's going to be a big weapon this season.

 
He is an interesting case for sure. Waldman doesn’t trust his running ability but bottom line is he may be Miami’s best big play threat. For a team who is lacking weapons he will see the field and opportunities. I like him this year and agree that he has some nice upside especially if Miami can find a little consistency on offense. 

 
King of the Jungle said:
He is an interesting case for sure. Waldman doesn’t trust his running ability but bottom line is he may be Miami’s best big play threat. For a team who is lacking weapons he will see the field and opportunities. I like him this year and agree that he has some nice upside especially if Miami can find a little consistency on offense. 
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If Miami can find a little consistency...

that is the concern for me

 
kutta said:
Well I’ll one-up you. I got him at 4.08 :banned:  
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In two leagues, I'm hoping he slips to 4.10 and 4.11 respectively. Doubt that happens.

And I don't think I can reach for him at 3.2 or 3.3...feels too much like a reach. Still thinking J. Howard and J. Mixon before him but  the explosiveness is oh so tempting.

 
I like him a lot but that offensive line doesn't look very good and the supporting cast around him isn't inspiring either. Would feel a lot better if the reports about Parker weren't so... terrible.

 
Chaka said:
I like him a lot but that offensive line doesn't look very good and the supporting cast around him isn't inspiring either. Would feel a lot better if the reports about Parker weren't so... terrible.
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Yep, his upside is certainly capped. 

 
I've honestly liked what I've seen in the pre-season, but I'm not letting myself buy.  

Ryan Tannehill isn't going to be the driving force behind a fantasy friendly offense.

The o-line has concerns.

Drake isn't a special talent.  

They lost their best receiver.  They're counting on Parker who is dinged up and hasn't done much of anything in the pre-season.  Even if he has success early, teams have no reason not to stack the box.  I'm targeting 2 RB's before this point.  I feel like the drop off from WR isn't as pronounced as it is in the RB group.  

 
jm192 said:
I've honestly liked what I've seen in the pre-season, but I'm not letting myself buy.  

Ryan Tannehill isn't going to be the driving force behind a fantasy friendly offense.

The o-line has concerns.

Drake isn't a special talent.  

They lost their best receiver.  They're counting on Parker who is dinged up and hasn't done much of anything in the pre-season.  Even if he has success early, teams have no reason not to stack the box.  I'm targeting 2 RB's before this point.  I feel like the drop off from WR isn't as pronounced as it is in the RB group.  
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Last year oline sucked and they had Cutler who's worse ..I would say he's a special talent absolutely.. and offense should be improved better te more quality wrs and a more capable qb

 
I felt the opposite way when I was preparing for my redraft. I liked the QB/RB/TE depth, but didn't see much I trusted at WR once players like Hilton and Hill come off the board. I actually went WR in the late 1st because I think the dropoff there is going to be bigger than at RB if you can't get someone like Bell. At RB you can get backs like Mixon, Drake, Henry, R Freeman, and Penny in the 3rd+ round who have pretty decent potential. Wouldn't want them as my #1 RB, but if you grab a Fournette/McCaffrey in the 2nd then you can come back around and get one or two of them later as your RB2-RB3.

I wouldn't say Drake isn't a special talent. He isn't Adrian Peterson as a runner, but it's closer than you might think. He lacks some power, but he's shifty and fairly fast. What makes him unique to me is his ability in the passing game. How many RBs can be split out wide and used on plays like this and this and this? That's a special quality. Even though the Dolphins are a bad team, they're still going to account for a lot of yards and Drake looks like the best player they have on offense. They seem to like him a lot. Heck, they even cut a guy for hitting him in practice. I think they know he's going to be their focal point this year.

People like McCaffrey and Kamara had very good ppg stats last year in ppr leagues despite mediocre rushing output. If you are catching 3-5 passes per game, there's not as much need to be a prolific runner. Drake has shortcomings as pure runner and there will probably some ugly 12 carries for 20 yards type of weeks with him. He can be a little hit or miss. That being said, I think I have to defend his pure rushing ability a little bit as well. He can do some pretty special stuff. This is not a play that most backs in the league can make. He does stuff like that enough with some regularity. Here's another nice one (watch the alternate angles) and yet another big play against New England.

I worry about this guy taking 300 hits in a season, but if he can hold up for 200 carries and another 50-70 catches then I don't worry about him not producing yards. He's electric and he's going to mix in enough big plays with the losses and stonewalls to end up with good numbers at the end of the season.

 
DarkKnightsGuru said:
Upside is where it was last year if not better 
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His 16 game pace for the back half of last season was 52 receptions, 1500 yards and 7 TDs. So I would ecstatic with that at his ADP but I have a hard time seeing him do too much better than that given this offense. 

 
If the Dolphins don't give Drake 15+ carries every game, Gase is dumber than we thought.

For another thing, in pre-season he's been asked to pass block on a high percentage of pass plays. What's up with that?

 
Coach Adam Gase said "hopefully" Kenyan Drake will handle 15-20 carries and see 6-8 targets per game.

Gase said he'd love for the Dolphins to average 70-75 offensive plays per game. (The Patriots led the league last season at just under 68 plays.) So, we're not sure how Gase plans to fit in an extra 10-15 plays per game after Miami averaged about 62 in 2017. Anyway, it's evident the Dolphins love Drake, and Gase said if Drake earns the right to be a bellcow back then he'll have no problem giving him the ball regularly. Frank Gore still poses a threat to Drake's touchdown potential.
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Gase also went on to say that he'd like to buy a Lambo, marry Mila Kunis and change the Miami Dolphin's name to the Miami Roughriders. 

 
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