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suggesting that a team would not play to win is an insult to anyone that has ever put on pads and suggests you have no idea how competitive sports works. No coach or organization is going to intentionally throw games so they get a better player that has never stepped on a NFL field. The only people with these theories are people very distant from reality when it comes to how NFL organizations function. They would much rather build on victories then get 1 spot ahead in the NFL draft...
Players probably won't tank but organizations can make subtle decisions that don't give them the best chance to win. I.e. Indy the year before Luck came out.
I agree, it happens, not often but it happens. Definitely happened in Indy. - I bet Sparano is coaching to win though, the Raiders have actually been pretty decent since he took over, they play hard and have been in some games they have just been sorely lacking in talent.
what decisions did Indy make that caused them to tank? One thing to make financial decisions or long term health concerns, but another to accuse them of not playing the best healthy guys under contract to purposely lose games...that doesn't happen and a win is worth more than a few spots ahead in the draft where you may have to pay more for the same guy anyway
All that was necessary was to see how they kept Painter in there. They didn't go after a free agent QB or play the 3 year vet Orlovsky until the very end of the season. Orlovsky comes in and they lose to a 13 win Pats team by 7 while he throws for 350+, and they finish 2-3 where Painter went 0-11. It just wasn't 0-11, Painter never ever had a shot of doing anything. Orlovsky is still on an NFL roster and Painter is where he always belonged, unsigned and probably selling insurance.
Was the 2 year 14 million dollar deal they gave Kerry Collins a sign they were throwing in the towel? Orlovsky was signed off the street after Collins went down and had to learn the offense. Painter was the default starter because they didn't have anyone else ready and I'm sure they felt he was the best they could do at the time. Orlovsky was coming off a 0-16 Lions season and lost the job to Painter in the preseason, so he was cut. Clearly they felt Painter was better.
If the best you got is because Painter was the QB, then I just am not buying it. They chose Painter over Orlovsky after the preseason, so they obviously felt he was better at the moment you say they weren't tanking.Caldwell, Polian, and the rest of the staff lost their jobs which is what happens when teams don't win game. So who was making this decision? Jim Irsay in-between his drug stupor's? Somehow he managed to manipulate the depth chart and outcomes of games without permission from the people that were in position to make those decisions? None of them have publicly come out and said that despite all being bitter about having to find more work. Please explain more. Because I would love to know how that is even possible...
You have got to be kidding me.
Agreed. Ridiculous comments. I'm surprised he didn't say the kid needs to improve his footwork.
The Raiders
Sorry to interrupt the Sparano hate and hijack this thread, but I have to respond because this type of ideology is made up from people that don't understand competitive sports in real life.flapgreen, why don't you address the latest post I had where I advised that everyone got fired. So are you telling me Caldwell, Polian, etc.. orchestrated a campaign for the #1 pick to help Grigson, Pagano, and company? That is a silly argument. Why would they do that? Or did Jim Irsay have some sort of secret influence in-between his binges? People lost their jobs. They weren't trying to lose...
Indy won their last two games.Tool said:
Why would I respond to someone who thinks he's the guy who decides who understands competitive sports and who doesn't?
I can only speak for myself but I don't think the coaches and players tried to lose. I think the upper management saw what was coming and didn't make any significant moves to try and win a few extra games. They knew the team was only as good as their qb and wasn't sure what would happen with Manning. Irsay is a shrewd businessman. He knew the deal with Luck coming out.
Who would have made these moves? Seems to me like that would have fallen under Bill Polian and he got canned along with his son. Is there more upper management higher than the president and VP/GM?Considering the upper management was cleaned out because of the horrible season, your argument doesn't carry much weight. These are people's jobs, they don't try to lose...what type of moves could have saved their season?
If he puts up a big game next week, he's in my lineup
By all means, interrupt the Latavius Murray thread with Colts talk. And while your at it, please be sure to call someone an idiot for not responding to your post about the Colts in a Latavius Murray thread.
who brought up the Colts? I did not and if you look back at what is quoted, 2 people are talking about it including the person you are saying shouldn't respond to me bringing up the Colts when they are the one that mentioned it first. I just responded to silly accusations that teams don't try to put their best players out there which someone suggested as a reason Murray isn't playing. All I'm saying is that doesn't happen in the real world where people are getting paid to win football games and fans want to see their teams win games.
it took it's own form, that happens on a message board where people are discussing things. Not the 1st time and it won't be the last a thread gets off track a little bit
This. It's one thing for potential studs like C. Michael or K. Davis not to receive touches on their respected teams while we whine and moan about it. They have productive players ahead of them. This is far from the case. Murray looked every bit of a break out star the past two weeks. At worst, he's looked better than the guys you've force fed the ball on a winless team. For the coach to suggest otherwise is an insult to our intelligence on so many levels. Your most important job as a coach is to play the best players at their position as much as you reasonably can. You don't have a clue what you're doing.
This is a very good point and likely the reason.
Hey remember when Tony Sparano drafted Pat White as a QB who would play wildcat QB... with pick 44 in the 2nd round? Good times.
