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RB Leonard Fournette, FA (1 Viewer)
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2,4, 6, 8 who do we appreciate....the teams picking out of those spots are all rumored to have heavyinterest in him and I don't think he makes it out of those 4 teams grasp but if those teams are smitten with someone else and pass he won't last past the two Ohio teams at 9 and 12. So to me while I think he goes higher, 12 is the absolute worst case.
steelers1080
Footballguy
He won't get past pick 7. If he's still there at 7 I think someone trades up for him and the Chargers move back to add ammunition for next year's QB draft.daveR said:
daveR
Footballguy
Makes sense. Seems like he's a lock at #8, so moving up to #7 would be required to beat out the Panthers.
Tejas
Footballguy
How early in the draft will Leonard Fournette be selected? If what I’m hearing comes true, much earlier than expected.
Sources with knowledge of the situation tell me the San Francisco 49ers are very high on Fournette and are seriously considering using the second pick of the draft to acquire him. The new front office wants a bigger back to run the offense and they’re ready to give up on Carlos Hyde, who has had his struggles staying healthy since being drafted by the franchise in 2014.
Sources with knowledge of the situation tell me the San Francisco 49ers are very high on Fournette and are seriously considering using the second pick of the draft to acquire him. The new front office wants a bigger back to run the offense and they’re ready to give up on Carlos Hyde, who has had his struggles staying healthy since being drafted by the franchise in 2014.
massraider
Footballguy
That seems interesting to me, no one thinks he is great out of the shotgun, you can't read a decent report about him where someone doesn't mention it.daveR said:
The Panthers are in the shotgun a lot, yet they somehow don't have this info.
I think Ruben Foster is in play for the Panthers, and even OJ Howard.
spider321
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
You have a cousin that works in the front office or something? I have a hard time buying Fournette as a top 5 pick, but maybe they trade back a bit, which would make more sense.
pantherclub
Footballguy
No way in hades. If LF goes before 8 that means a great defensive player "falls" to them. The panthers are in a win win. I would almost like to see them get a kings ransom if LF is there at 8 and they trade down with someone. My best guess is that he goes to Jacksonville and the panthers get Howard or the best defensive player on the board.
steelers1080
Footballguy
To be fair, most teams are in the shotgun a lot nowadays. Including the other major landing spot for Fournette, the Jags. Fournette's best bet would probably be to be drafted by the 49ers or Browns, but that will probably not happen. The Browns have recently upgraded their O-line in a major way, and the 49ers' coach usually has his QB under center and a very good running game.
If he goes to the Jags or Carolina, you'd hope that they'd play to his strengths like the Titans with Murray. They use a lot of shotgun, but are under center enough that it doesn't fully give away a play as a run play when Murray is in.
I think Carolina should go Howard at 8.
I don't want it to happen either, but the Panthers are the team rumored to be talking with the 49ers.
tombonneau
Footballguy
So whats our worst case scenario for Fournette where he falls out of 1.1 discussion? Bengals are up there. Jags as well.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Neither of those are "worst case". They're both teams that would much rather use a dominant runner and their other running backs would either be gone next year or take a back seat. The worst cases in the top 10 are probably the Bears since Fox has an awful track record with young RBs and Howard is the lead guy there (think he's very overrated though), the Jets who are basically the Rams from last year (see how that worked out with Gurley), the Chargers who already have Gordon, the Bills who already have McCoy, and the Saints who have Brees and are frustratingly inconsistent with RBs every year. The best teams in the top 11 are the Browns, 49ers, Jags, Panthers, and Bengals. If the Titans take him I think everyone would lose their sh**.
It seems like he's either going to the Panthers, Jags, or some unknown team that trades up. Heard some rumors about the Ravens trading up for him ahead of Carolina, but idk that they would give up that much for a RB when they have a lot of needs. Makes more sense for them to trade down. The most sensible trade up partner IMO would be Oakland since they're a dominant RB away from being a juggernaut. But they can easily take the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best RB and still be excellent without trading.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I just think Jags are wasteland with Bortles. And Bengals I'd see him in Henry type situation. I do agree those others you state are worse but I'm not sure many of them will be looking RB so early.
Raiders or Ravens trade up would be ideal. Or Panthers sitting tight.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I'm not sure that Bortles is the Jags 2018 QB if he doesn't improve drastically this year. Their offense should be better this year since they got rid of their awful Offensive coordinator.
That said, Bortles is pretty awful.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Don't like the Bengals because the line has went to crap. But Hill is awful and will be benched. Giovanni is coming off an acl and is a cop back.
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Stranger things have happened but I can't see the 49'ers or the Jets being seriously interested in any way. Both those teams are in total rebuild mode with the cupboard bare at many foundational positions. Same with the Bengals with the players they have lost to FA, they have major needs on offensive line and defense. I know Gio tore his acl and Hill has been a disappointment after his rookie season, but if they spend their 1st on a RB just revert back to calling them the Bungals. They can get a good replacement for Burkhead and/or Hill much cheaper in the later rounds.
Jags wouldn't be that bad. Lots of rumors that Jax is not going to pick up Bortles 5th year option. So he either will have to show some improvement this year or likely be gone next year.
Jags wouldn't be that bad. Lots of rumors that Jax is not going to pick up Bortles 5th year option. So he either will have to show some improvement this year or likely be gone next year.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Yes in total rebuild, with little-no talent anywhere. Gotta sell some tickets/jerseys somehow, fournette would get that done. Some owners are profit driven.
I could see where shannahan could jump start that offense easier with a great rb vs trying to get qb/wr/te shored up, or where the jets try to play stout d and lean on the run. Seems like common sense would be to draft more long term but as we all know what seems to make sense to us isn't always what coaches/gms do in real life. Heck, I'm sure we've all made regretful decisions while on the clock at some point.
I've never bought this argument ever. The money from Jerseys and ticket sales are drops in the bucket compared to what every owner gets from revenue sharing and broadcast rights. But as I said stranger things of happened. Dumb ### Fisher spent a top 10 pick on Gurley when he had no QB, no WR's and no offensive line.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Never underestimate the power of greedy rich white guys. Business is business, no face to the franchise, and I'm sure those sales in New York would be millions, not a drop
Pwingles
Footballguy
Kind of seems like the Panthers are going out of their way to show interest in LF. Are they that stupid? Makes me suspect they actually aren't interested at all.
Pwingles
Footballguy
this
fournette is a bad fit in Car, he likely would not do well playing in the shotgun and i highly doubt theyre gonna make cam play in a way thats uncomfortable for him
not sure what the actual numbers of total snaps outta the gun vs run plays from under center are, but i really doubt they are close in Car
steelers1080
Footballguy
Or they're mildly interested, but would be just as happy if someone traded ahead of them and pushed a different good player down.
Also, there are rumors of them trying to trade up with the 49ers. Maybe they actually want a different player, but think they can offer less for the pick if its for a RB?
pantherclub
Footballguy
I doubt they trade up. Doesn't make sense. I think if LF is there that's who they go with as it's been stated numerous times in the off season that Carolina wants to get back to a pound it out style and LF and stew would be perfect for two years.
At at this point however if they can get a kings ransom to trade down that would be good as well. But two things I don't really see them passing on him (the fit for him in charlotte is too perfect) and I really don't see him lasting until 8.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Does Fournette have slight exotropia? From pictures it looks like his eyes don't focus exactly straight ahead. Usually 1 is slightly off to the side. Not sure if it was just the picture or if his eye really is off center. Also, does this affect anything? Idk a lot about eye conditions and the impact they can have.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Conspiracy theory. Fournette loves running behind a fullback. 49ers signed Kyle J, a very good fullback to lots of money this offseason. Coincidence?!?! Probably.
Spike
Footballguy
The only reason I would say "no" is that, IIRC, the contract he signed was (for the position) massive. Why do that for a simple blocking FB?
Yeah, maybe the Pathers think there is zero chance that he is still there. Otherwise, Rivera making that comment about how no spot is too high to draft a RB just seems weird to me. He really has nothing to gain from making that statement unless it is just a smokescreen. Why tell the rest of the league how much you like the guy? Maybe they are trying to trade up, and they want the rest of the league to think it is for LF when it is really someone else.pantherclub said:
pantherclub
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
There are no questions about his passion. There are media rumors about possible questions about his passion, during the height of smokescreen season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Agreed. The extra time before the draft has caused the minutia of evaluation to become pretty silly now. The last week or so rumors I have heard become stranger than usual.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
And it's amplified for prospects who have been in the national/draftnik spotlight since they were HS recruits.
Fournette is basically the DGB of RB prospects (except he lived up to the expectations) in terms of being a hyped name since high school. That doesn't come along very often. That's a lot of time for people to find flaws or become biased for/against the player.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have some bases of my own or reasons why I don't like Fournette. A lot of it is just being tired of listening to people gush about how great he is.
To me he is a rich mans Jeremy Hill to keep the comparison close to home. He is a lot better than Hill in my opinion, just not really the style of player I am looking for, which is more about ascetics than anything else. I still think Fournette has a good shot to be the best RB from this draft class and likely to have a top 12 season in fantasy at least once within the next three years.
To me he is a rich mans Jeremy Hill to keep the comparison close to home. He is a lot better than Hill in my opinion, just not really the style of player I am looking for, which is more about ascetics than anything else. I still think Fournette has a good shot to be the best RB from this draft class and likely to have a top 12 season in fantasy at least once within the next three years.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is exactly it with a lot of people, although only some would realize or admit it. Not to be patronizing and say that all criticism stems from over-exposure, of course--there are legit issues with his game as with any other prospect. I'm just talking about a fraction of the dynasty population subconsciously pushing back against years of hype that is 1. Tough to live up to in the first place, and 2. Annoying if you don't own the player already in a devy league. Or own the 1.01.
Basically the guy was annointed as an 18-year old and people haven't shut up about him since. There's a certain level of fatigue that comes with that, as well as unrealistic expectations, with the usual side dish of contrarians jumping on board and nit-picking above and beyond reasonable norms. A lot of the same stuff happened with Andrew Luck when he came out (not to put Fournette on that level of prospect--just talking about the hype/expectation/nitpick cycle).
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
It is a good point about the time invested into a player causing people to develop biases, and draw conclusions.
I think there are a lot of times where two players may be very similarly talented to each other, but obviously I am going to prefer the one I know more about and have spent more time learning about. Doesn't mean the other player is in any way worse or different, I just don't know as much about the other guy. I think that happens to all of us. We prefer the devil we know to the one we don't.
I think there are a lot of times where two players may be very similarly talented to each other, but obviously I am going to prefer the one I know more about and have spent more time learning about. Doesn't mean the other player is in any way worse or different, I just don't know as much about the other guy. I think that happens to all of us. We prefer the devil we know to the one we don't.
Zyphros
Footballguy
If this comp was more popular I'd bet there would be more Fournette fans. If that's who I'm comparing him to in my mind more often, I'm on board.
