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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (2 Viewers)

Bummer for the Steelers, and Bell owners (Gee, I guess Bell as well).

I echo Rizzler's question about the sudden prevalence of the injury. Where this come from?

 
Super King said:
massraider said:
Bummer for the Steelers, and Bell owners (Gee, I guess Bell as well).

I echo Rizzler's question about the sudden prevalence of the injury. Where this come from?
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Athletes today are just getting too powerful for their ligaments/tendons to handle?
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Wouldn't surprise me, maybe the torque is increasing to the point that something that didn't used to happen happens?

I also wouldn't be surprised to see it was misdiagnosed. I rememeber some old time QB, Jurgensen or someone saying, 'I'm glad I retired before the invented rotator cuffs...'

 
massraider said:
Super King said:
massraider said:
Bummer for the Steelers, and Bell owners (Gee, I guess Bell as well).

I echo Rizzler's question about the sudden prevalence of the injury. Where this come from?
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Athletes today are just getting too powerful for their ligaments/tendons to handle?
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Wouldn't surprise me, maybe the torque is increasing to the point that something that didn't used to happen happens?

I also wouldn't be surprised to see it was misdiagnosed. I rememeber some old time QB, Jurgensen or someone saying, 'I'm glad I retired before the invented rotator cuffs...'
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:lol:

 
Article link above suggests that more rigid shoes slipped more and led to ACL injuries, so the made shoes lighter and more flexible, with more grip. Which has led to more foot injuries.

Suspect it does all trace back to bigger/faster/stronger as a root cause though.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Super King said:
massraider said:
Bummer for the Steelers, and Bell owners (Gee, I guess Bell as well).

I echo Rizzler's question about the sudden prevalence of the injury. Where this come from?
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Athletes today are just getting too powerful for their ligaments/tendons to handle?
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I think it's the PEDS.
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I think it could be a combination of both.

 
in case anyone is curious, why lisfranc?

During the Napoleonic Wars, Jacques Lisfranc de St. Martin encountered a soldier who suffered from vascular compromise and secondary gangrene of the foot after a fall from a horse.[3] Subsequently, Lisfranc performed an amputation at the level of the tarsometatarsal joints,[3] and that area of the foot has since been eponymously referred to as the "Lisfranc joint".[14] Although Lisfranc did not describe a specific mechanism of injury or classification scheme, a Lisfranc injury has come to mean a dislocation or fracture-dislocation injury at the tarsometatarsal joints.[15]

 
msudaisy26 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Super King said:
massraider said:
Bummer for the Steelers, and Bell owners (Gee, I guess Bell as well).

I echo Rizzler's question about the sudden prevalence of the injury. Where this come from?
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Athletes today are just getting too powerful for their ligaments/tendons to handle?
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I think it's the PEDS.
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I think it could be a combination of both.
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Could be, but more likely just the nature of the position where cutting and shifting direction is part of the job description. That, and the fact that defenders tackling RBs are getting bigger and stronger themselves every year.

 
B-Deep said:
in case anyone is curious, why lisfranc?

During the Napoleonic Wars, Jacques Lisfranc de St. Martin encountered a soldier who suffered from vascular compromise and secondary gangrene of the foot after a fall from a horse.[3] Subsequently, Lisfranc performed an amputation at the level of the tarsometatarsal joints,[3] and that area of the foot has since been eponymously referred to as the "Lisfranc joint".[14] Although Lisfranc did not describe a specific mechanism of injury or classification scheme, a Lisfranc injury has come to mean a dislocation or fracture-dislocation injury at the tarsometatarsal joints.[15]
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Something strange about naming a tough football injury after a French guy.

 
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gerome said:
What's the play here if you already drafted him in redraft leagues? Do you plan on holding?
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I just drafted him Monday night while he was getting hurt. Both Redmon and Dwyer are on the wire. I plan on picking up Dwyer tonight and yes definitely dumping Bell. There is no recovery from Liz. Most are career enders or at the very least rob gifted athletes of their 4th and 5th gear. Liz is a #####.

 
B-Deep said:
in case anyone is curious, why lisfranc?

During the Napoleonic Wars, Jacques Lisfranc de St. Martin encountered a soldier who suffered from vascular compromise and secondary gangrene of the foot after a fall from a horse.[3] Subsequently, Lisfranc performed an amputation at the level of the tarsometatarsal joints,[3] and that area of the foot has since been eponymously referred to as the "Lisfranc joint".[14] Although Lisfranc did not describe a specific mechanism of injury or classification scheme, a Lisfranc injury has come to mean a dislocation or fracture-dislocation injury at the tarsometatarsal joints.[15]
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It's the French's fault? Shoulda known.

 
zamboni said:
B-Deep said:
in case anyone is curious, why lisfranc?

During the Napoleonic Wars, Jacques Lisfranc de St. Martin encountered a soldier who suffered from vascular compromise and secondary gangrene of the foot after a fall from a horse.[3] Subsequently, Lisfranc performed an amputation at the level of the tarsometatarsal joints,[3] and that area of the foot has since been eponymously referred to as the "Lisfranc joint".[14] Although Lisfranc did not describe a specific mechanism of injury or classification scheme, a Lisfranc injury has come to mean a dislocation or fracture-dislocation injury at the tarsometatarsal joints.[15]
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Something strange about naming a tough football injury after a French guy.
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Should have been named after the guy who fell off the horse. He's the one who went through all the pain and now he's got nothing to show for it.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
There is no recovery from Liz. Most are career enders or at the very least rob gifted athletes of their 4th and 5th gear. Liz is a #####.
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It's not necessarily the end of things. Westbrook came back and had 2000yds the year after his Lis Franc. We'll see what MJD/McFadden can do this year.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
gerome said:
What's the play here if you already drafted him in redraft leagues? Do you plan on holding?
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I just drafted him Monday night while he was getting hurt. Both Redmon and Dwyer are on the wire. I plan on picking up Dwyer tonight and yes definitely dumping Bell. There is no recovery from Liz. Most are career enders or at the very least rob gifted athletes of their 4th and 5th gear. Liz is a #####.
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Sad, the kid never got a shot.

 
Rotoworld:

CBS' Jason La Canfora reports doctors are "hopeful" Le'Veon Bell (Lisfranc) can heal without surgery, but that he'll be sidelined 6-8 weeks.
ESPN's Adam Schefter confirms Bell is expected to miss at least six weeks. That has Bell returning some time after the Steelers' Week 5 bye, and perhaps quite later. He's shaping up as a candidate for I.R./designated to return. Bell would be eligible to return from short-term I.R. in Week 9, which is 75 days from today. The news wrecks the Steelers' plan to remake their rushing attack, and leaves them with the unappealing trio of Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer and La'Rod Stephens-Howling. It's unclear whom the leader of the committee will be, but we'll get some clues in Saturday's regular season dress rehearsal.


Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
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They are hoping for the best case scenario:

Nonsurgical Treatment

If there are no fractures or dislocations in the joint and the ligaments are not completely torn, nonsurgical treatment may be all that is necessary for healing.

A nonsurgical treatment plan includes wearing a non-weightbearing cast for 6 weeks. You must be very strict about not putting weight on your injured foot during this period. This then progresses to weightbearing in a removable cast boot or an orthotic.

Your doctor will want to follow up with you regularly and take additional x-rays to make sure your foot is healing well. In the course of follow up, if there is any evidence that the bones in the injured joint have moved, then surgery will be needed to put the bones back in place.
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I think an extended injury to bell means 1) dywer will get the bulk of the carries and 2) the steelers will likely grab a castoff RB before the season starts. dwyer will lose some carries to redman, maybe redzone touches, on the order of 8 to 10 per game imo.

 
oukurt said:
YAY He is hurt! I mean boo!
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Yes, in make belief land his injury benefits many of us.

In real life it's a ####### shame for the guy.

Step outside of your mom's basement for more than doritos or to go purchase your preordered WOW game, and you'd recognize the damn difference.

 
1. I prefer the safety of mom's basement.

2. I play X-Box

3. Lighten up, Francis. You come off a lot like me 20 years ago. Defensive and easy to troll.

 
pecorino said:
I think an extended injury to bell means 1) dywer will get the bulk of the carries and 2) the steelers will likely grab a castoff RB before the season starts. dwyer will lose some carries to redman, maybe redzone touches, on the order of 8 to 10 per game imo.
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If Beanie Wells is healthy, his phone should be buzzing ( I'd say ringing but who actually talks on the phone anymore?)

 
Shutout said:
pecorino said:
I think an extended injury to bell means 1) dywer will get the bulk of the carries and 2) the steelers will likely grab a castoff RB before the season starts. dwyer will lose some carries to redman, maybe redzone touches, on the order of 8 to 10 per game imo.
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If Beanie Wells is healthy, his phone should be buzzing ( I'd say ringing but who actually talks on the phone anymore?)
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I'd saying ringing too, but when has Beanie Wells ever been healthy?

 
massraider said:
B-Deep said:
in case anyone is curious, why lisfranc?

During the Napoleonic Wars, Jacques Lisfranc de St. Martin encountered a soldier who suffered from vascular compromise and secondary gangrene of the foot after a fall from a horse.[3] Subsequently, Lisfranc performed an amputation at the level of the tarsometatarsal joints,[3] and that area of the foot has since been eponymously referred to as the "Lisfranc joint".[14] Although Lisfranc did not describe a specific mechanism of injury or classification scheme, a Lisfranc injury has come to mean a dislocation or fracture-dislocation injury at the tarsometatarsal joints.[15]
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It's the French's fault? Shoulda known.
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Another reason to hate the French.
 
valhallan said:
Where do we think he falls in a current rookie draft? Late first?
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I think it comes down to how severe the injury is. If he doesn't need surgery then I don't know if he falls very far at all for dynasty. If he does, then I'm a bit more scared of his long term recovery prospects. Santonio Holmes had the most severe lisfranc you can get last year and he still doesn't feel right. MJD had one that required surgery and he has been cleared to practice since July. I'm eager to hear Dr. Jene's take on this week's podcast.

 
Bell walking without pain. They are encouraged by the progress over the last 48 hours. No tear but a sprain.

 
3C said:
Bell walking without pain. They are encouraged by the progress over the last 48 hours. No tear but a sprain.
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I just read this great article someone else posted earlier. But it tries to clear up some terminology, including the fact that A Sprain is a Tear.

I think you may be misinformed if you heard he was walking without pain. You're not supposed to put any weight on a lisfranc for several weeks. Just how torn and separated things are in the foot determines if it will heal without surgery.

 
Link

By Gerry Dulac / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Coach Mike Tomlin said today that rookie running back Le'Veon Bell has a mid-foot sprain in his right foot, but the injury is not as severe as initially feared and he is "optimistic and encouraged" how Bell's foot has responded.

Tomlin said Bell would not play in Saturday night's preseason game against the Kansas City Chiefs at Heinz Field, but would not speculate on a possible return date.

But he said Bell does not need surgery and that the injury is not a Lisfranc sprain similar to the one incurred tight end Matt Spaeth two weeks ago. Spaeth had surgery to repair the tear and will be out at least eight to 10 weeks.

"We are optimistic and encouraged how it has developed over the last 48 and 72 hours, doing some things without discomfort," Tomlin said. "All those things are positive.

"We don't have a long range schedule [for his return]. We'll treat it conservatively with rehab and declare him out this week. But in the big scheme of things, that is encouraging news."

Asked if Bell would be ready for the regular-season opener against Tennessee, Tomlin said, "I hadn't asked. It's just great to hear that it is what it is. It's perking up day by day."

Bell, the team's No. 2 draft choice, was injured on the fifth play of the first series in Monday night's preseason loss to the Washington Redskins and did not return.

Tomlin said he is "not concerned at all" that Bell has been injured three times already in training camp.

"You play football, you get hurt," he said. "It's part of it."

Without him, the Steelers will have to rely on the same two backs as they did last season when Rashard Mendenhall was hurt -- Isaac Redman and Jonathan Dwyer.

However, Tomlin did not say who would start against the Chiefs because Redman is still working his way back from a stinger that kept him out of the game against the Redskins.

"We'll watch their participation (in practice) and make that determination at the 11th hour," Tomlin said.

 
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