Capella
Footballguy
You’re laughing at a guy who in the next 3 years will make 100000 times more than you ever will in your whole life?
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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (2 Viewers)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not accurate but I am tired of arguing with you. LeVeon is a Jet now, time to move on.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Oh are you quoting Ian Rapoport again... real trust worthy source. Not. Don’t be a dolt.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If he is in "bad" shape, he has time to get in shape. There are no games scheduled for next week.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
I've always assumed that Bell was taking a stance that was based on more than just a bottom line figure. Feeling unfairly treated by a team that used the franchise tag on him in back to back years while offering deals that were below the industry standard due to the Steelers acknowledged refusal to offer higher guaranteed money the way all other NFL teams do. Add to that his belief that the team would abuse the tag again by giving him a high workload, and you get what we saw in this whole saga. From that perspective, I'd say this worked out well for Bell. He gets a big contract with better guaranteed money for a team that is invested in his long term health and productivity. He'll never get the money back he left on the table but I don't think that was ever the only issue. I'll hang up now, and never read this thread again. lol
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Aren’t fantasy people supposed to be good at statistics, probability and math? He didn’t get enough to make up for the lost year of $14.5mm. The risk/reward was a bad decision. It can still be “right” for him and how he viewed it, but monetarily and statistically it was a bad move. He got nowhere near what he thought he was going to make as paying the player rather than the position. He isnt even the highest paid rb and he just got a new deal with a higher salary cap and with teams having boatloads of room.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
If he made the full amount of his 4-year contract over the next 3 years ($61 million), then irish eyes would have to make only $610 in his whole life. Your math skills are emblematic of this thread.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Seriously, why even quote something that says not even one season was fully guaranteed? I agree with your sentiment though, no point in arguing this anymore.
I went through this about 10 pages back, the answer is no. There is no reason in arguing this anymore, it was clearly a terrible financial decision, which is why he is the only guy to do this in about 2 decades. Anyone who doesn't realize this decision was terrible either doesn't understand probabilities/statistics/math or they're being intentionally obtuse.
I agree with Godsbrother above, time to move on and discuss football as it pertains to Le'veon & the Jets.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Does it really matter if Bell made the right decision by sitting out last season anymore? That's done and only affects Bell's finances. I'm sure he's moved on - not sure why fantasy football players care about Bell's financial situation - especially since he's in pretty sound shape even if he did make a poor choice last year.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The Jets O-line is slightly better after trading for Kelechi Osemele, if he can stay healthy, but I don't think it's nearly as good as the Steelers line, and it isn't used to Le'veon's stutter running style. It will be interesting to see how well Le'veon does this year. I think his rushing yards drop by a fair amount, maybe to around 1000 yards, but his receiving yards maintain around 600. Right now I have him as a low end #1 RB after Zeke, Saquon, Gurley, Gordon, McCaffrey, David Johnson, Kamara, James Conner, Dalvin Cook and possibly Nick Chubb depending on Hunt's suspension.
Also, if he's become Eddie Lacy 2.0, that would crater his value.
Also, if he's become Eddie Lacy 2.0, that would crater his value.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's not, and it has little hope of getting better at this point - especially since their GM is a dope that doesn't believe in drafting o-line.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Bell fought for something that was bigger than himself. NFL owners sit on billions of dollars but then give players non-guaranteed contracts because the sport is violent and careers are short. The franchise tag enables owners to pay the players year-by-year rather than guaranteeing a longer contract. When it comes time for the next bargaining agreement between the owners and the union, the players should absolutely line up and fight along with Bell.... more guaranteed money, less franchise tags.
Anyone focusing on the Bell's lost wages from last year is missing the bigger point.
Anyone focusing on the Bell's lost wages from last year is missing the bigger point.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
It’s a good location to land. I have to say I don’t know much about their OL but Crowell had a 200 yd game last year. Loggains and Gase are meh but it’s a capable offense around him. He should be the focal point and not share a backfield. I doubt he has a Steelers level LevBell season but the volume shouldn’t be a problem.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Meanwhile... WTH is going on in Pittsburgh? Two key pieces of an A+ offense just bailed on the team. I know we usually grade the Steelers on a curve because model franchise, but something's broken in the culture there.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Or, you know, they can collectively bargain. What is with people in 2019? Do you not know how contracts and unions work? This is 110% the very players you think you’re defending’s fault. Geez, I was saying how stupid and ####ty it was after the last CBA was agreed upon. They deserve no sympathy. Their union leader is Goodell’s puppet and they let them steam roll over them.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Playing on one year deals works out very well if a player wants to take the risk. Revis comes to mind, Cousins is prob top of the list.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Their line was better than the sum of its parts last season and added Osemele - they also hired a great OL coach in Frank Pollack. Their line should be mid-pack.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The only team to vote against limiting players power in the last round of the CBA... The Steelers.
Not sure why you feel the need to call names, but whatever.
You're choosing to believe that Pitt offered more, despite the fact that the larger guaranteed money amount was leaked by the organization. Rational questioning leads to the conclusion that Pitt benefits (with regards to public perception) by making the guarantees the offered look larger than it is. Is that proof that that number is inaccurate? No, it's not. You're choosing to ignore the $10M guarantee amount, despite the fact that it has not been refuted by the Steelers, AND it fits in with their style of contract structuring. Again, this doesn't prove that the $10M number is correct.
You choose to believe the larger number is accurate, I choose to believe the $10M number is accurate. Don't pretend like you have any proof that you are correct, and try to refrain from calling names, okay?
No need to argue. If anyone can provide a link to proof that it's inaccurate, I'd be happy to look at it. Since no one can, I'll go with the report that wasn't leaked by the organization in an apparent attempt to give credence to the claim "we really tried to keep him."
Godsbrother
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Think I'm a little higher on him than you. Hopefully he plays with a chip on his shoulder. I think he'll be in NY for 2 years, 3 tops and they'll run him into the ground over that time. That's simply what you do with your workhorse back and the nature of the beast.
PPR - Saquon, CMC, Kamara, Zeke, Gurley (to me, these 5 are interchangeable and you can flip a coin and hope for the best) - after them, imo, you can argue the next bunch in any order you want, which includes Bell. If AZ takes Murray, I prob bump DJ near the top of that next tier.
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Seems like you have to say things like this to convince yourself you were right because nobody is telling you are....there might be a reason for that....
Dude...it’s a message board to discuss all things football...if all you want is rankings and projections talk this may not be the place.....his decision and pathway here is something that’s hasnt every really happened in todays NFL....we may or may not see decisions like this again....it’s worth discussion and back and forth on a message board in a thread about the player......I’m sure there will be plenty of places to discuss where he should be drafted, projections, etc....let the thread dictate itself....
shadyridr
Footballguy
They have Ben, Juju, and Conner. They could afford to lose those two and still be a dynamic offense.
matuski
Footballguy
He appears to have a deal in the range that was expected.
30-40 guaranteed, 50-60 total.
Good for him.
Milkman
Footballguy
Oh we're going to see it again......Bell got Kaepernicked and still won in the end. He would have gotten 40-45 million gtd if the owners hadn't colluded against him. Indy had a ton of cap space and really could have of used him.......were surprisingly silent. They have title equity too......3 year deal with a team option on the 3rd year and 35 million gtd in the first two years would have done it.
Owners got each others backs though......
Owners got each others backs though......
matuski
Footballguy
The only way to guarantee it was to stay healthy.
The best way to do that was to pass on 400+ touches last year.
Steeler
Footballguy
This year will be a referendum on the "broken culture" of the Steelers. Bell/Brown provided a majority of the distractions over the last several years so we'll see what happens now that they are gone.
Milkman
Footballguy
Oh they definitely asked him to take a pay cut year one. No way he would have reacted the way he did getting a decent offer. I'm just happy at least one team refused to collude against him.
Steeler
Footballguy
Or to sign the Steelers long term offer which was in the range of what Bell got after skipping a season of earning potential.
matuski
Footballguy
I believe we have been around this bush a few times. We don't know what that deal was, and the less biased leaked version was certainly less.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If he would've signed the tag last year, he would've made $27mm over the last two years, or the contract they offered him, $45mm over 3 (including this upcoming year) - while being a stud on a competitive team... The horror!
Milkman
Footballguy
You have to be literally the best RB in the league to get that from them and they are still going to play games with the guaranteed money. I'll pass.
It'll be interesting to see how Ju Ju reacts to the Steelers wanting to get a team friendly deal on him. I'm thinking he's going to want out too......
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
It equals more than he held out for
Their offers were just as competitive as every other team in the league. The market for Bell wasn't what he and his agent perceived, they didn't mistreat him from what I'm looking at - he perceived his value was higher than the market dictated. You'd rather play for a crappier franchise and less money?
This narrative that Pitt is the devil is really the strangest takeaway I've gotten from all of this, but whatever - we're all entitled to our opinions.
Capella
Footballguy
electric Ape
Footballguy
If winning is launching into an inferior career path and making less overall money then Bell is doing great. I just wonder why more doctors don’t become janitors so they can win too!
Balco
Footballguy
If I’m a free agent analyzing teams going forward, the Jets are way better positioned than the Steelers.It equals more than he held out for
You'd rather play for a crappier franchise and less money?
This narrative that Pitt is the devil is really the strangest takeaway I've gotten from all of this, but whatever - we're all entitled to our opinions.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I just passed on going to an award winning sushi restaurant on my companies dime and elected to make tunafish in the office kitchen #winning.
Steeler
Footballguy
Balco
Footballguy
I don’t think there are any devils in this situation. Pitt didn’t want to sign Bell to a lucrative long term deal (which I completely agree with) and Bell then decided he didn’t want to play with the franchise tag.
I think Bell did fine and the Steelers will be fine with whoever they put in the backfield (their line is fantastic and would make many backs look great)
if I am a player, two things I am telling the union - guaranteed contracts and an end to the transition and franchise tag. If owners don’t want to play ball - strike.
Steeler
Footballguy
Balco
Footballguy
Agreed. I don’t see any issue with what the Steelers or Bell did.
Steelers have a ton of holes on that team, especially D. They are wise not to want to break the bank on a position that has been de emphasized in the NFL.
And Bell made a business decision. Nothing wrong with that either.
Milkman
Footballguy
That's not what I read. The real problem is nobody knows exactly what the Steelers offered him. I tend to side with players on these things. Since AB was drafted the Steelers organizational worth had gone up nearly 2 billion dollars. 9 years......2 billion dollars. So I see the players as being underpaid. Owners make 100's of millions of dollars a year. They can afford to negotiate a better more fair CBA.It equals more than he held out for
You'd rather play for a crappier franchise and less money?
This narrative that Pitt is the devil is really the strangest takeaway I've gotten from all of this, but whatever - we're all entitled to our opinions.
